Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 793

SOMEone's been eating their bran, all right.

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Sherwood/Litterbox_Stuff/I000319P.jpg

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 588

Forget the Atkins diet. We can offer up the Furry Art Diet. Look at this stuff and you'll lose your appetite.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

I remember this guy from Portal Of Evil; he is quite a reliable source of all things WTF.

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

This is the guy that likes eggs and shit and all the other things you squezze out of your ass, right?

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 766

Fuckin Scat...... Could go a lifetime without seeing this stuff again but that still be too soon

M0us3_Zero · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 366

Uh... O.o

*Holds back a puke and runs to the porcelain recepticle to properly pay homage.*

My god... The humanity... *sobs and cries, wondering when the visions of horror will end...*

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

In my day, I often heard furries talk about what business was it what they did or wanked to behind closed doors. Well.. this is proof that they don't keep it behind closed doors. It's not necessary to share all of your fetishes with the world, you know. There is the whole concept of a private archive you only show your closest and most understanding friends, y'know.

That's what furries don't seem to get. They may not have such a bad image if it wasn't so easy for the unsuspecting public to get slapped in the face with this stuff like a frozen trout. Just searching "furries" on Google gets you into this stuff pretty quickly.

It just furthers my hypothesis that much of what drives some furries is the need for external validation of their little quirks.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

I wonder how come no one noticed this artist yet.. or maybe it's old hat! =)

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/index01-by-date.html

Beyond yummynumnum!

Getcher Eyewash right here.. $20 a bottle... =)

Shmeckopolis · Vociferator Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 314

Link 1 - Exibit Q in proving my case as to why some groups DESERVE a good genocide. That's just a couple really twisted fetishes rolled into one in an almost blasphemous package. Man, these people would make Lovecraft twitch....

Link 2 - a sex-starved, forever lonely Georgia O'Keffe with an animal fetish....

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

One of the things I really don't get about the scat fetish is, aside from the overall personal revulsion to it, they're fantasizing about something that you can genuinely get sick from. I mean, coliform bacteria and other nasty stuff????

What's next... a fetish for eating raw chicken? Drinking well water contaminated by waste dumping from chicken farms?

Or would that be classed under vore?

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

I wonder how come no one noticed this artist yet.. or maybe it's old hat! =)

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/index01-by-date.html

Beyond yummynumnum!

Getcher Eyewash right here.. $20 a bottle... =)

oh holy christ

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 793

I wonder how come no one noticed this artist yet.. or maybe it's old hat! =)

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/index01-by-date.html

Beyond yummynumnum!

Getcher Eyewash right here.. $20 a bottle... =)

Do NOT alter, copy, or redistribute without expressed written consent.

Don't worry Archangel. We won't distribute it.

In fact, we'd like to know if it's possible to REDUCE the amount of your artwork, OK?

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

I wonder how come no one noticed this artist yet.. or maybe it's old hat! =)

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/index01-by-date.html

Beyond yummynumnum!

Getcher Eyewash right here.. $20 a bottle... =)

Normally scat pics would be a sure-fire emetic, but these are just so fantastically ineptly drawn that they don't get to me at all. This "artist" has no sense of anatomy to speak of, and the colours are so garish that they completely out-do the scat content... For which I should be thankful, I guess. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see well-drawn scat.

And yeah, the omnipresent "Do NOT copy, alter or redistribute without express written consent" is hilarious. Like anybody would want to.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Hey, he's goin' 3D now! =)

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/index01-by-date.html

"Yippee-yi-ki-yay, mothah fucka!"

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 588

"Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see..."

AND WE WON'T FUCKING WANT THEM EITHER!

Die, furry, die. Please. Just die. As an art form, as a genre, as a whole thing however you want to put it, just die.

The rest of the world would like their pleasant memories of innocent anthropomorphics ala Disney back at your earliest convenience. As well as your screaming frigging demise.

Between scat, cub art(euphamistic usage), and vore and all the rest, we've suffered enough. Time for furry to give up the ghost and for all the sad fucks and dumb ass losers to go find something else to tarnish. Like Trek.

I'm going to drink heavily now. Thanks for the links. I can lose another ten pounds easy from lack of appetite alone.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

"Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see..."

Wayd, that picture and that quote... genius.

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 588

"Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see..."
Wayd, that picture and that quote... genius.

The screw-up was that I didn't use this image instead:

And with the other pic the quote should have been...

"Hell is only a word . . . the reality is much, much worse. Here, let me show you!"

Insert all links to furry travesties after that point.

Ah, such is hindsight. Well, no one ever said formulating comedy was easy or pretty.

Bonus:
http://members.cox.net/waydwolf/eyes.wav
http://members.cox.net/waydwolf/hell.wav

(All attempts at a quick and witty Shockwave file failed due to time limitations and sheer exhaustion.)

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

That movie was such a letdown, but I must admit that I wholly endorse it's use in this content. Somehow, two very, very wrongs make a right here. At least, a smirk.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Whoa... that poop sure got a reaction out of Wayd. =)
My work is done... for a while.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Whoa... that poop sure got a reaction out of Wayd. =)
My work is done... for a while.

Yes, I saw this before: an image so wrong it deserves to be linked to directly.

So ugly it'll break your monitor (and make you glad ebonlupus doesn't do scat - yet).

(Your avatar! :lol: awesome.)

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 588

Whoa... that poop sure got a reaction out of Wayd. =)
My work is done... for a while.

Yes, I saw this before: an image so wrong it deserves to be linked to directly.

So ugly it'll break your monitor (and make you glad ebonlupus doesn't do scat - yet).

Excuse me while I lose my lunch... YET AGAIN!

BTW Donny, your Toon stuff is far better. Please keep on doing more of that.

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 766

So is that what you call furry scat fetish?

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

How very peculiar...
Is this some ass-over-backwards-fetish... or just... something gone wrong while drawing...?

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/TEF/For%20Adults/RedRibbonYiff.jpg

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 766

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Aww... the 3d masterpiece is now down ... Tho the Fact thread says we cannot stop... t h e m !

Maybe we do make a difference after all? But like I said....this saddens me for what do we chuckle at if everyone takes their horrors down!

Quantum Coyote · Venter Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 221

Heres some strange 3d stuff from Andrew Mutchler, AKA Kinky Turtle.
HERE
Technically work safe.

'Doris Dresses' and 'The Fox and the Hunter' especially creep me out.

And Andrew, your voiceovers scare me.

Duck Stab · Qualificator Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 19

Luckily he hasn't ruined my love of bjork, or I'd be shitting concrete and setting the monitor on fire.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

Ha ha. Oh, Jesus. Ha ha ha.

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Whew!

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 766

I should've done some herms... :?

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Dr. Dos · Venter Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 244

only because I-mockery recently reviewed that kill.

" Fun Fact about this scene for all you kids that want to do this at home: this scene was done by a latex head stuffed to the brim with rabbit livers and dog food. How did they make it explode? Easy…they blasted it in the back of the head with a 12 gauge shotgun! Fun!"

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Happy holidays...happy holidays... While the merry bells keep ringing
May your every wish come true....

Thread not dead yet!

Approach with caution!
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Just%20adult%20art/Jezebel.jpg

aimore · Qualificator Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 12

Whooooa! :twisted: These frames was the most disgusting thing I‘d saw in movies.
Was a great shock to me.
But... Why the hell that insane guys used rabbit livers? Just rabbit? DAMN DAMN DAMN
On the other PAW, When the media shows peoples eating dogs and cats or killing these animals to do coat fur, around the world (I meant Far East Asia) peoples does scandals and scandals. Everybody protest against.
The world is SAD and HYPOCRITE. :evil:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

On the other PAW

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

Whooooa! :twisted: These frames was the most disgusting thing I‘d saw in movies.
Was a great shock to me.
But... Why the hell that insane guys used rabbit livers? Just rabbit? DAMN DAMN DAMN
On the other PAW, When the media shows peoples eating dogs and cats or killing these animals to do coat fur, around the world (I meant Far East Asia) peoples does scandals and scandals. Everybody protest against.
The world is SAD and HYPOCRITE. :evil:

Having website is you the wrong.

Move all to alt.fan.furry in better.

All the fur-basher are belong to us.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Happy holidays...happy holidays... While the merry bells keep ringing
May your every wish come true....

Thread not dead yet!

Approach with caution!
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Just%20adult%20art/Jezebel.jpg

The rendering of a herm furry does not disturb me (herm fur pr0n is nothing new) as much as the bizarre seperation of the balls. That's just... wrong.

Also, why do adult furry artists bend over backwards to give their anthro art characters animal-looking wangs, yet when it comes to pussies they just slap a human-looking one on there? I mean, if someone is going to draw furry bits, then he might as well make look reasonable, right?

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Maybe they have never seen an ani-mule pussy... =)
And they like wangs more... because now they gay from yiff!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Maybe they have never seen an ani-mule pussy... =)
And they like wangs more... because now they gay from yiff!

I haven't drawn anything in months, but the last adult image I drew was of a character with a knotted canine-looking* penis, fucking a female anthro with a human shaped vagina.

If you asked me what an animal vagina looked like, I couldn't tell you. Just off the top of my head I have an idea what a dog thing looks like, mainly due to repeated exposure to furry porn, partially due to the fact that using Google image search with safesearch turned off will eventually bring up a random thumbnail of animal wang from some bestiality site.

That, and you can sort of see a penis because it's on the outside of the body, whereas you'd have to get up close to really make out a vagina (and the thought of people doing that is a bit creepy). Finally, is there really much differance? In most women (no pun intended) vaginas look pretty different from one another as it is, yet at same time they're not radically different in mammals as a whole (no pun intended). Throw artistic style and fantasy creatures into the mix, and I'd imagine the variations are hard to classify as one thing or another.

*Minus the mottled, veiny look you're always seeing used... the 'raw' look of it just makes me want to cringe whenever I see it.

And that's my post for the night on the subject of drawing animal genitalia.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

I've been drawing naughty comics for many years for my own enjoyment, comics I keep in private since I don't think they should be shared, though I've actually shown them to some friends in a few ocassions.

Anyway, I just have realized that the genitalia I draw on my chars is actually -much- more simplicistic than my cartoony style, both for males and females. They are recognizable as genitalia, but they're QUITE stylized.

That's because, in my particular case, I don't feel attracted by the shape/size/detail of my naughty chars' genitalia as much as for what they do with those things. :)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Fry... remember what we talked about.. about you ending your stories a sentence early?

aimore · Qualificator Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 12

On the other PAW

Sorry. I need time to throw concepts to garbage can.
I need TIME to reorganize my home page too.
I’m looking for a domain and a host to put my craps.

On topic: Uauuuuu. I wonder when I see peoples exciting by poop (Known as COCÔ, BOSTA, UNCHI). This is the extreme of the extreme. I do not agree with that sexual fetishes. Sure, certain animals eats UNCHI, like rabbits to get proteins but animals do not SMEAR with poop!

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

aimore,

I find it delightfully ironic that you are talking about poop (and your disagreement with said fetish) and animals while having a chimp avatar. This I find amusing.

Skunkfuckers Inc.

If you want to see what a canine vagina looks like, you of course can always head to Ebon Lupus' site. ;)

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Skunkfuckers Inc.

If you want to see what a canine vagina looks like, you of course can always head to Ebon Lupus' site. ;)

Truth is I rarely give more than a glance at sites presented here, let alone actually browse them (this includes lame webcomics like WCotP and that Gene Catlow one). It just isn't worth wasting my time, and I get all the atrocity tourism kicks I need from stuff other people link to.

I just know that if I look long enough I'll come across something that makes me want to kill. Case in point, from the time I finally broke down and really delved into the horrors of CubCentral. :shock: :? :( :x :evil:

AWW, GOD DAMN. I just discovered the 'hidden' extreme content filter to that site's gallery. :cry:

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 335

Critter kiddy-porn?....oh DEAR JAH!!!! there are worse places than Hell!

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

I never thought I'd see the day when someone shamed me into finding out what animal vagina looks like.

I now know that rats have ones that...kinda look like tiny tiny tiny penis heads. I'd look closer but I don't really want to.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

In order to keep one's mental sanity...
Not everything is up to be known.
Not everything is up to be seen.
Not everything is up to be imagined.

Let's not forget, the sleep of reason produces monsters.

A mere click on a webpage, a little glance on an image, a simple comment about something you don't know yet, is enough to make your psyche fall down noisily like a pile of dishes, to leave a scar on your mind, to destroy your faith in mankind. The ghosts of those new, unwanted discoveries will chase you and will appear whenever you least expect it.

Usually, when people is exposed to that kind of things, their own perception of certain things is transformed. We've seen enough fanart of some cartoon characters, and thus we don't look at them the way they were supposed to be. Like Gadget Hackwrench, a character originally conceived to entertain kids, tainted and transformed into a whore for drooling fanboys. Feh, even our perception of funny animals at all is transformed after our contact wiuth the furry fandom.

I may sound naive. I may be told I need a harder skin. But, in fact, I want to keep my inocence. I don't want to become a cynical son of a bitch. I don't want to get used to it. I don't want to lose my sensibility. I want to be able to see funny animals the way they were conceived again, even if that means being ignorant of some things. Because I want to regain my faith on the genre, and contribute to it with positive things, that I hope they'll take shape in a short future.

In other words... I am NOT GOING to click that link.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

I dinna find anything horribly awful from there! =P Expected worse... Just yer average badly drawn kiddie pinups...
and pissy diappers and some average sexual abuse ... I'm talking relatively here!

-My herm link wins! Click that ya wussies! =)

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Oh hell... I spent probably 30 minutes typing up a response, then lost the whole thing because the page timed out. I make it a habit to copy my responses before I click to post, so that if I have to back up for an invalid session, I can paste the response back in if it's not stored in memory. But, I had copied something else while I was backing up, and lost the whole thing. So, here's the jist of it in a nutshell.

It's hard to undo the mental scars furrydom can leave. There's a natural aversion to the paradox between cartoon animals for kids and seeing those same animals turned into sexual objects or fixated on as some kind of spiritual guide. Brother Bear is not porn.. and it doesn't make logical sense to know that there's a group of people out there that consider it so. Balto was not meant to be a religious experience.. but its makes the brain do flip-flops to know more than a few people consider it such. The Lion King was made to entertain and make money.. not to serve as a map for one's life. It doesn't make sense that a number of people fixate on it as such. If it was one or two people, it could be written off as there's always one or two nuts in the fruit bowl.

The thing that can really surprise people is the very obvious paradox between what they see as being largely for kids.. even if they enjoy them as adults... and the obsessive fixation and contorting these things into something very adult. If you're a fan of horror and horror SFX, and you read Fangoria and go to a gathering of fellow enthusiasts, you know what you're in for. You know you'll see blood and guts and half-naked women spilling their blood and guts. You know the kind of stuff Wes Craven is capable of.

With furrydom, however, the paradox between something that is still largely for kids and the displays of fetishes and all kinds of bizarre fantasies does something to the old bean and usually makes it say, "That's fucked up!"

A new horror fan opens Fangoria and knows he will see latex entrails and red corn syrup. A newcomer to furrydom isn't likely to know that most furry websites are like opening a copy of Jan Brett's "The Mitten" and having a pair of sweaty horse balls shoved in your face.

The best way to undo the damage is to forget the furries. Of course, we perpetuate our own suffering coming here. So long as we even simply mock them and marvel at their state of affairs, we'll never forget the things we see... and will never begin to remove the taint furry puts on everything we see. Not to say the site should be taken down and everyone get on with life. But, if that's what you want to do, then just not paying attention to furries at all is a good step. I know I have less aversion to seeing new stuff furries might bastardize when I've gone a while without looking here.

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Ghost of Christmas Past brings thee more Ploppity plopplopplop!

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Archangel-of-Death/Beyondxxxfurryporn/Happy_holidays.jpg

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Just the category of "Beyond XXX Furry Porn" alone tells me I'm not clicking that.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Just the category of "Beyond XXX Furry Porn" alone tells me I'm not clicking that.

This reminds me that I got an email a week or two ago from AOD himself after a comment I made on CYD. I'd agreed that at any time you could probably find better art on VCL's recent uploads than on his hardcorefur.com paysite, but then I don't think people who want to look at his art are looking at it for the artistic quality.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Hell, if NightKrawler/NachT learned to digitally color his work, you'd have better stuff than that guy's work in VCL's New Uploads right there.

The fact that people... someone.. anyone would pay for that site is a testament to the phrase, "A fool and his money are soon parted."