Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

In the late 90s, I stumbled by chance with a folk named Chris Carrington, with a cartoony, cuteish style, pretty similar to mine but more influenced by Manga than my critters. I e-mailed him and said hello and he said hello and everything else.

By the time, he used to draw comics featuring a mob of kangaroos. He sent me some pages of his comics, from his sketch books, and I remember them to be pretty innocent and generic.

After that, I heard about Chris Farrington here and there. It seemed his style was gradually getting furrier. In other words, he was letting his style to show some of his quirks here and there. First, on a rather discrete, subtle way. A character suddenly getting fatter and fatter on a comic, another one being adopted as a "daughter" by a female kangaroo, raising slightly sensual feelings on both adopted and adoptee... and diapers everywhere.

A few minutes ago, I found http://www.geocities.com/kelvincartoonist/index.html . That is Chris Carrington after 5 years on the furry fandom... By some reason, the comic displayed on that page as I type this is eerie, with its naive and childbook-like style, the diapered leopard, the shot on the shoulder and the bare-breasted.... creatures... on the bottom pics.

It looks scary to me.

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

Oh, yeah, Kelvin the Lion, I've seen him. He's got that weirdly cutesy fetish style that makes Kit 'n; Kaboodle so grating.

What's he into? Diapers and buttertrolls or something?

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

Oh, yeah, Kelvin the Lion, I've seen him. He's got that weirdly cutesy fetish style that makes Kit 'n; Kaboodle so grating.

What's he into? Diapers and buttertrolls or something?

Genghis · Venter Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 277

you know, it takes quite a lot of effort to produce a webcomic I actually can't be bothered to continue reading after a few pages or so.

This is one such comic.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

THIS IS WHAT FURRY DOES TO PEOPLE! REPENT AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED!

Dr. Dos · Venter Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 244

now he gay from yiff :(

aimore · Qualificator Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 12

It‘s SAD. All Ideas goes to corruption.
Diapers + ”adult“ furry are a odd association. I laugh hard, sorry...
Once, I watched a Beavis and Butthead episode and I heard this gem there:
“I started to stink”, because the teen-ager bodies inexorable transition to adult.

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 69

The link is not working. Perhaps common sense has prevailed once again?

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

It does work to me. Let me tell you what I see on the site, updated since my last visit. I see a raccoon on diapers transforming an 'evil human' (as he called him a page ago) into a shrimp and eating him and then a my-little-pony'esque char says he's gay.

And ids cintinue renading the restof the comicbut anm afraid icant bewcxause myt rneusones areee meltimng to goo. Blllrllrrlllr.

Genghis · Venter Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 277

new meat: I wouldn't call it "kit 'n' caboodle"-style grating, It's more like Boston and Shaun, in that there's still some underlying plot (no matter how tenuous) behind all the fucked up shit, and there's the whole cutesy innocence behind the style, ie zero dong.

That, and the fetishes that have stolen their way into the script are vastly more obscure than just plain ol' vanilla fucking - I mean, we've got vore, fat, diapers and transformation so far, and I didn't even read the whole thing...

Squizzle · Qualificator Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 8

The link is not working.

More likely that's just GeoCities's obnoxiously stingy bandwidth limits kicking in; it's been like that for some time (since Yahoo assimilated it, pretty much). Try again later...
... IF YOU DARE!!!

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

new meat: I wouldn't call it "kit 'n' caboodle"-style grating, It's more like Boston and Shaun, in that there's still some underlying plot (no matter how tenuous) behind all the fucked up shit, and there's the whole cutesy innocence behind the style, ie zero dong.

That, and the fetishes that have stolen their way into the script are vastly more obscure than just plain ol' vanilla fucking - I mean, we've got vore, fat, diapers and transformation so far, and I didn't even read the whole thing...

You're absolutely right.

I can't believe it's gotten to the point where where I need more than one fucked-up furry smut comic to draw proper analogies. I need to get away from all this.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Make it your resolution for 2005. :D

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

Make it your resolution for 2005. :D

But that would involve effort:(

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Intriguingly... weird shit.... I hafta see more of this! Gimme more, Artie! =)

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

Intriguingly... weird shit.... I hafta see more of this! Gimme more, Artie! =)

You want more?

Are you sure you're ready for more?

I don't think so, but if you're honestly willing to leap headfirst into the putrid, viscuous humors of Hell itself...

www.karisplayground.com

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 69

EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAARRRGHHHH! Damn you all to hell!

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

EEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAARRRGHHHH! Damn you all to hell!

You've been "Karisized"! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Donotsue · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 666

Gak! Whole site of diapper comics?

- I ment more of that Nivlek-weirdness! Oh, but he is there.. Allrite... Augh!

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

I ment more of that Nivlek-weirdness! Oh, but he is there.. Allrite... Augh!

KARISIZED!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Just when you think the nightmare is over...

IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OVER!!

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

Kuh-huh-huh-ARISIZ-ed!!!

Say, I'm gonna need a graphic to go along with this. Donny?

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

GAAAH! Hide that kind of stuff behind a link so those who want to be spared from the horror can have a chance to survive!

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Thundarr the Diaper-Clad Barbarian

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

GAAAH! Hide that kind of stuff behind a link so those who want to be spared from the horror can have a chance to survive!

Fool! There is no escape from...

KARISIZATION

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

Fool! There is no escape from...

KARISIZATION

Oh, yes, there is. It's the little "block images from this server" feature on Mozilla. I love Mozilla.

And nyaaaah to you.

Akhetnu · Qualificator Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 25

Ah, more diapers. Ick. When I pressure various members of the 'crinkle crew' into WHY they wear diapers, I often get the reply of "It makes me feel secure."

Now call me silly, but aren't diapers the OPPOSITE of security? I mean their very presence implies that the wearer is going to have an uncontrolled bowl movement at any time, and will stink up the entire area. THat's about as secure as a sign that says "Days since our last accident: 1"

Rural Pimp · Rasophore Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 69

Thundarr the Diaper-Clad Barbarian

IMO, they look like Chris Jericho. I hope that Triple H kicks their diapered asses.

Karis · Qualificator Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

Karisized. I LIKE that!

It's neat to hear what people think when they see my site. I'm so used to it that I forget sometimes-- "Oh yeah. This is pretty disturbing for some people."

Sorry about your eyes. :)

Thanks for visiting though!

Karis

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

How DARE you take this in a calm and composed manner, with your whoopdy-fricken-doo down-to-earth attitude. I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for not flipping out and making an ass out of yourself as I've seen in the past from other furs being the center of discussion here. Welcome to CYD. :wink:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

It's neat to hear what people think when they see my site. I'm so used to it that I forget sometimes-- "Oh yeah. This is pretty disturbing for some people."

The majority of what we say here is overstated and meant to amuse. That doesn't mean the bases of what we say isn't true; this fetish is particularly incomprehensible to me personaly, and the sexual -possibly pedophilic- undertones are somewhat creepy.

Sorry about your eyes. :)

Our eyes will be okay.. a little Clorox in the 'ol retinas (I said retinas, you sicko, not... oh, nevermind :P ) will fix them right up...

I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for not flipping out and making an ass out of yourself as I've seen in the past from other furs being the center of discussion here. Welcome to CYD. :wink:

We'll see if he starts flipping out in his next few posts. If he's a fetishist, he might be stable enough to be cool about the criticism and take a genuine laid back, at peace with himself attitude. If he's more of a furry, welll.... expect a meltdown shortly :roll:

Though it would be nice for a change to get some real curiosities sated before someone comes along and turns the thread into lock-bait.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Disturbing for some people?

Anybody have an abacus? I think we need to crunch some numbers here.

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

Welcome to CYD. :wink:

The fuck he is! :evil:

Karis · Qualificator Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

Thanks!

The big irony here is, I tend to oppose yiff in furry art as well. I mean, penis penis penis, sex and fluids...it's either a YAWN because there's so much of it, or gross because it's so... graphic.

But while I sit there going "ew" to all the other stuff, I forget that my site is a BIG "EW" to so many. I mean, yeah, I draw the line at what I consider actual PORN on my site, but that line is so subjective, isn't it?

Here I am saying "No full frontal nudity, please" while people mess their pants which I consider "innocent enough."

Crazy.

Just be aware that I AM aware of the irony of my position. :)

Enjoy!
Karis

Karis · Qualificator Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

Oh, and if there ARE any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

I can't speak for ALL the fetishists out there who do the diaper thing, but I don't allow pedophilic images on my site, nor am I interested in children.

The adults who ACT like children, as I see it, do so because they want to BE children, not interact with real ones.

From my perspective, the diaper thing is more about humiliation and loss of control, a kind of submissive posture, the most submissive you can get, in a way, being stripped of even basic dignity.

Those who talk about "comfort" and "security" are, I think, referencing their own childhoods where they believe diapers are tied into a parent's loving care. It's a submissive attitude, again, but more about being nurtured and positively reinforced rather than shamed or humiliated.

Whew. That's a crash course into the whole diaper thing, if any of you were interested.

Karis

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Personally, I think much of the furry fetishism has a foot in childhood somehow. I mean, people are sexualizing cartoon animals and things like plushies.... images and objects from childhood. I think I've speculated before that it seems to me that furry fetishes somehow bridge the gap between adult sexuality and what is held to be "safe" and comfortable from childhood. A phenomenon like that would hardly be surprising among people that have either never been laid, or had their first experiences late in life..... at a point beyond those years where their sexual identity as an adult was developing. Since many furries seem to have some kind of Peter Pan complex going on, the big, scary world of adult sexuality can be daunting. So... I dunno.. maybe things from childhood like plushies, cartoon animals, diapers, etc... evolve as some kind of life preserver in a person's sexual psyche.

Of course, then there's the whole matter of childhood issues and trauma and such, but that's too trite for even me to bother with.

The one thing I wonder about with folks into scat and anything involving such is if they experience more periodic illnesses than other folks. We're talking about playing around with a substance that carries a host of things like clostridium and e. coli. I'm not sure I really want any feedback to this question... especially involving graphic details. Still, it makes one wonder if fetishes involving risks of exposure to such substances don't make related illnesses much more likely.

Ooh baby, salmonella gets me all hot 'n' bothered. Blleargh.....

Karis · Qualificator Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

Well, without being graphic, here's another irony:

While messing in diapers is all fine and dandy or whatever, the idea of actually PLAYING with feces or having it anywhere else on my body is quite yucky to me.

So it doesn't actually all fit together; most diaperfolk I speak to definitely put "scat" into its own category, seperate from the diaper thing.

K

Anencephalic Baby Jesus · Rasophore Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 69

Personally, I think much of the furry fetishism has a foot in childhood somehow. I mean, people are sexualizing cartoon animals and things like plushies.... images and objects from childhood. I think I've speculated before that it seems to me that furry fetishes somehow bridge the gap between adult sexuality and what is held to be "safe" and comfortable from childhood.

ZenZhu, I've noticed the same thing, and I'm wondering how much of it is due to marketing overload (although I'm reluctant to point fingers at the media for DOING THEIR JOBS) and how this (growing?) trend reflects upon our attitudes as a society.

Is this a result of our collective "dumbing down", our "foam pad the world" mentality that compels us to PROTECT DA CHYLDRUN at all costs? The common belief nowadays is that we should avoid anything that makes a child "feel bad", for fear of damaging their self-esteem or whatever. Has it gone too far, and people are refusing to grow up normally?

Or are some individuals responding to media bombardment by accepting it almost as a religion? I've read disturbing posts by some anime and furry fans talking about how watching a movie like Beauty and the Beast changed their life, or how they idolize a certain Pokemon. Humans instinctively seek some higher power, or authority figure, to worship and emulate. It used to be God or parents or mentors, or perhaps community leaders; then for a long time it was athletes; now it seems to be moving on to imaginary figures. Figures meant to market a product, usually, or simply to entertain, and nothing more.

Young people tend to express love and devotion through sex. I don't think the sex/fetish thing is the issue here, rather, it's a symptom of some grave, collective dysfunction that runs much deeper than the spooge.

I'm not a parent or anything, but are parents doing their jobs? Guiding their children? What's going on here?

I'm not a psychologist. I'm not even edumacated. These are just things that I think about sometimes when I read these forums.

Akhetnu · Qualificator Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 25

I think the Peter Pan thing is kinda cool. You can cartainly balance your sexuality (especially if you just go for eternal adolescence), learning and responsibility (present in well adjusted people of any age) with the enjoyment of the imaginative mindset that is evoked by 'funny animal' entertainment, or even the playfulness of a stuffed animal or favorite cartoon from early childhood. After all, even Peter Pan had the guts to take on pirates and swing from trees, and enough responsibility to live in the woods. I give him props. Did his actions violate safety policy? Of course! In fact, I think the story has a use in the modern world in showing children liberated from the "you'll hurt yourself" mindset of an over-protective society. Why the hell not, I say!

However, I think that when you start sexualizing the early childhood stuff, something's gone awry. You've taken one world (sexuality, responsiblity, learning), imposed it on the other (plushies and TV cartoons) and messed up both. Probable culprits include abuse and sexual desperation...Peter Pan or not, I don't think that fetishests are afraid of their sexuality per se, but that their inability to express it or recieve it from others in a meaningful way (either from no relationship or abusive ones) leads some to turn it on the only things they know well: i.e. cartoons and plushies. Even when they get relationships that work, the previous fetish may be so ingrained into them that they cannot let it go.

That is my $.02.

And now if you excuse me, I need to go home and change the water in Quozl's Mama's dish. Good evening.

-Akhetnu
The Furry Player-Hater

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Is this a result of our collective "dumbing down", our "foam pad the world" mentality that compels us to PROTECT DA CHYLDRUN at all costs? The common belief nowadays is that we should avoid anything that makes a child "feel bad", for fear of damaging their self-esteem or whatever. Has it gone too far, and people are refusing to grow up normally?

I think, at least with the newer, younger furries, I think what you describe here... what I'm starting to call the "Helen Lovejoy Syndrome*"... is more directly responsible for the general furry sense of entitlement that you should be able to do what you want, when you want, and where you want (i.e., you should be able to wear you fake ears and tail to your McJob and not be asked by management to take them off). Of course, it's not just furries that display this mentality these days... but they're an extreme case.

With the older furries, who knows... parents on the tail end of the bohemian movement? Dr. Spock carried to extremes?

This whole "foam pad the world" mentality (I like that term, ABJ) that seems to get worse and worse fails to take into account that many of our learning experiences in life come from negative experiences. I don't know about anyone else, but based on the stories I've heard from people about their childhood or their own kids, many children's first word are not "mama" or "dada" but "hot!"

The story ususally goes something like this: The child keeps wanting to touch something hot.. a hot plate... a sidewalk on a hot summer day... usually nothing that's going to cause 3rd-degree burns or anything.. just very uncomfortably hot. The parent keeps telling them not to touch it because it's hot. Of course, since the child has no concept of "hot," they don't know what the danger is. After several more attempts at thwarting the child's desires, the parent finally relents, seeing that there's no way they're going to know to not touch it unless they find out for themselves. So, the child puts their hand on the black top, hot plate, or whatever. Their eyes widen as they yank their hand away and look up at the parent, saying "Hot!" in an astonished tone.

Humans seek pleasure and to avoid discomfort. Discomfort.. be it physical, mental, or emotional.. drives many of our learning experiences. We learn to do something, do it better, or not do it because we want to avoid the negative consequences of doing or not doing something. When we feel bad, we learn generally either learn to avoid the behavior that resulted in our feeling bad, cope with the reprocussions of that behavior, or engage in those behaviors that result in positive results, rather than negative results.

We learn to not touch the stove because it's hot.

But, with the "foam pad the world" mentality, people are never allowed to touch the stove. Everyone wants to save everyone else from themselves so that they won't have to feel bad. PTAs around the U.S. and the ACLU constantly seek to find ways to help people avoid feeling bad. In some cases, this is a good thing. It's good to avoid making a black child feel bad by teaching kids to not tease him because his parents celebrate Kwanza. It's bad to try and avoid making him feel bad by teaching kids they have to suppress all references to Christmas, however.

These days, I think society goes too far in trying to save us from our mistakes. Our mistakes are how we learn.

Or are some individuals responding to media bombardment by accepting it almost as a religion? I've read disturbing posts by some anime and furry fans talking about how watching a movie like Beauty and the Beast changed their life, or how they idolize a certain Pokemon.

That's a very good point. It doesn't even have to be hero worship of superheroes or such. Think about those people that get really wrapped up in soap operas. My wife read an article in one of her women's magazines talking about this. The author had related a tale about a woman who taped her soaps during the day while she was at work, then spent all night watching them. One morning, she came in looking like she had been up all night crying. When she was asked what was wrong, she went on about how someone in one of her soap operas had died, divorced or something. WTF?

Granted, a good story can inspire people, but if the answers to your life have been found during a watching of The Lion King or Balto, you might be needing to dig a little deeper for the answers you seek.

Humans instinctively seek some higher power, or authority figure, to worship and emulate. It used to be God or parents or mentors, or perhaps community leaders; then for a long time it was athletes; now it seems to be moving on to imaginary figures. Figures meant to market a product, usually, or simply to entertain, and nothing more.

Maybe some of it is because many of our real idols these days aren't worth emulating. Despite the sordid tales of celebrity Babylon, figures in the media like politicians, actors, musicians, and athletes used to at least present a good front. Kids grew up wanting to be John F. Kennedy, Reggie Jackson, or Babe Ruth. Of course, we know their lives weren't exactly sterling examples of virtue. Still, what kids saw of them was someone who had achieved greatness through hard work. Even fictional characters like Luke Skywalker or Indiana Jones personified the merits of virtue, honor, and how one can overcome obstacles through perseverance and being true to one's self.

But, what do they have today? Dog: The Bounty Hunter. Foul-mouthed roughnecks like those jerks on American Chopper. The Osbournes. Beavis and Butthead. Redneck slackers from Megas XLR. Lestat the Vampire. The "heroes" kids are offered aren't exactly positive role models.

I'm not a parent or anything, but are parents doing their jobs? Guiding their children? What's going on here?

I don't know if much of it can even be put on parents, schools, etc. At some point, a person has to take the reigns of their personal development. I think the "foam pad the world" mentality may hinder a child's development into an adult that can say "What I'm doing isn't healthy/appropriate/etc." At some point, you have to stop blaming your parents and society for the fact that you can't hold down a job because you only get 2 hours of sleep each night after staying up MUCKing and start blaming yourself.

Regarding the Peter Pan syndrome.. I don't mean growing up but still collecting gashapon and watching cartoons.. I mean growing old, but not growing up... still being dependent on your parents for food and shelter at 30 and such because you're too busy playing video games to hold down a decent job.

*Helen Lovejoy is the wife of Rev. Lovejoy on The Simpsons who always screeches, "Oh, won't somebody think of the children!" whenever something goes amiss.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

From my perspective, the diaper thing is more about humiliation and loss of control, a kind of submissive posture, the most submissive you can get, in a way, being stripped of even basic dignity.

Those who talk about "comfort" and "security" are, I think, referencing their own childhoods where they believe diapers are tied into a parent's loving care. It's a submissive attitude, again, but more about being nurtured and positively reinforced rather than shamed or humiliated.

Whew. That's a crash course into the whole diaper thing, if any of you were interested.

I couldn't imagine what was behind the diaper thing, but it's interesting to finally have it explained. I still can't stretch my mind around it enough to make an empathetic connection to what you're feeling from it. The best I thought I might come up with would be envisioning a hot chick posing in rubber pants, a baby bonnet and sucking on a rattle, but now I see where I was with that isn't even close to the angle you're coming from.

What struck me was the statement about being "shamed". Since there can't be a sense of shame unless there's some awareness within the person that what they're doing isn't normal, does that mean you're aware of how bizarre it is?

Karis · Qualificator Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

What struck me was the statement about being "shamed". Since there can't be a sense of shame unless there's some awareness within the person that what they're doing isn't normal, does that mean you're aware of how bizarre it is?

Well, yeah. I don't think most fetishists operate in a vacuum; part of the reason it IS a fetish is, I think, because we know on some level it's "forbidden."

Adults don't wear diapers. They do not wet their pants. They do not wear colorful, soft fleecy clothes or anything else that we have come to iconify as "childish."

And so therefore part of the whole thing is doing just that. Now, the "shame" angle is my personal thing; other people are more into the "innocence" that being a child portrays. But yeah, wearing a diaper is kind of this big "secret"-- this whole "MAN I'd be so embarrassed if anyone found out" but at the same time, kind of WANTING to be found out so that there's the opportunity for (submissive) embarrassment.

There are degrees. Some people into this don't want to be embarrassed or ridiculed AT ALL, they just want this safe, quiet space to regress to an innocent time with a trusted partner. Some want to be "in your face" about it and be all slavish and extreme. But part and parcel of it all is the knowledge that yes, it's forbidden.

Karis

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

They do not wear colorful, soft fleecy clothes

Has anyone told L.L. Bean, Columbia, or REI about this? :)

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

Creepiest thread evar.