Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

DickTracy · Qualificator Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 4

Yep, folks.

It's more brother-sister pedophile incest--with added anst--ain't it perty????

http://mutt.purrsia.com/main.php

Warning - adult content (not work-safe):

http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Mutt/Naughty/perkigag.gif

Yep, the author must be one of them "sex is expression of love for EVERYBODY" freaks. Typical he's a furry to boot.

Maybe he and Jay can pretend they are each others' sisters

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

Breaking news!: Some retard decided to post the exact same topic / message in two different sections! This story was brought to you by the foundation of Attention Whores United.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Yep, folks.

It's more brother-sister pedophile incest--with added anst--ain't it perty????

http://mutt.purrsia.com/main.php

False alarm. Just below the comic the author comments: "Oh, and before you start saying I'm ripping off Better Days, I'm not. You'll see as the story unfolds."

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

Doesn't change the fact that Mutt is still kind of a retard.

Minkfink · Qualificator Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 2

Retard? Naw... The stories aren't rivoting, but his art isn't half-bad (it's improved a lot in the past year). Actually, I think his illustration style is rather unique and very clean compared to a lot of the crap out there.

Mutt is probably a kid or a very young adult. He's definitely new to this and even admits he needs art lessons--which to me is the mark of a potentially decent artist (too many assholes think their chicken scratches are masterpieces--and are too short-sighted work on their skills).

There's a childlike quality that you just don't see in dialogs written by adults--it's in the illustration, too, but the illustration is much stronger. It seems the artist tends to borrow/copy a lot off from others. He even took the ad line from Vince and Arty (a decent"furry" comic about a male gay couple). But that is okay. That's how a lot of artists and story writers start out. Hopefully he'll grow beyond it and his stories will catch up with his illustration.

Xarai · Apocrisiary Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 44

Mutt is probably a kid or a very young adult. He's definitely new to this and even admits he needs art lessons--which to me is the mark of a potentially decent artist (too many assholes think their chicken scratches are masterpieces--and are too short-sighted work on their skills).

No, he doesn't.

His ego showed through when he did a "donation drive" similar to the one R.K. Milholland of Something Positive did. The Something Positive guy basically said, "if you want more strips, give me $20,000 and I'll quit my job" - and, to everyone's surprise, he managed to raise the money and kept his promise. He wasn't at all expecting it to happen, and most people nowadays write it off as a fluke.

Now Mutt decided to do a donation drive of his own on his own strip: Perki Goth and Candi Raver. He actually expected it to get as far as Something Positive's did. The problem is that both had the same goal - twenty grand - yet Something Positive is one of the better webcomics out there, while Mutt's is average at best. He said that he would take art classes to improve his work if people paid him $20,000. That's very different from admitting one's art is bad - that's more "will consider improving for food".

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

That also demonstrates the furry mentality of developing artistic skill for fame and fortune, rather than for personal enjoyment. For most artists, the desire to improve is inherent, and drives their efforts such as sketching on almost any piece of paper with a blank space... including things like ATM receipts... and buying books and/or taking classes to help them improve. If you'll consider improving on the basis of whether or not someone pays you to do so, you're in art for the wrong reasons.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

"will consider improving for food".

OT: can anyone tell me the story behind that image? (and don't try to tell me ol' Nocty from the POE forums finally flipped the fuck out and turned furry... that would make me a sad little skunk).

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

If you'll consider improving on the basis of whether or not someone pays you to do so, you're in art for the wrong reasons.

I'd say it's a damn shame though that people don't pay some artists to improve, or better yet in some cases to put down their pencils and never ever draw again.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Hell, the one thing that's really key to artistic skill is free, even.... observation. Sure, technique and style count for something.. but you have to be able to observe things and really conceptualize what makes them look the way they do to capture it on paper. A good example are matte paintings for movies. When you see it on the screen, it's sometimes hard to believe it's simply a painting. Then, when you look at it up close, it's far from photo-realistic. The artist simply manage to capture why something.. like fog, or city lights in the distance, or whatever.. looks the way it does to us. And, fundamentally, that just takes a good eye... which you can develop for free.

Xarai · Apocrisiary Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 44

OT: can anyone tell me the story behind that image? (and don't try to tell me ol' Nocty from the POE forums finally flipped the fuck out and turned furry... that would make me a sad little skunk).

This thread from Portal of Evil. The artist is Tal-pass Portaxx (a.k.a. Jazaaboo).

Duck Stab · Qualificator Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 19

Hell, the one thing that's really key to artistic skill is free, even.... observation. Sure, technique and style count for something.. but you have to be able to observe things and really conceptualize what makes them look the way they do to capture it on paper. A good example are matte paintings for movies. When you see it on the screen, it's sometimes hard to believe it's simply a painting. Then, when you look at it up close, it's far from photo-realistic. The artist simply manage to capture why something.. like fog, or city lights in the distance, or whatever.. looks the way it does to us. And, fundamentally, that just takes a good eye... which you can develop for free.

It's simulation over representation, and that's why they're so good.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

OT: can anyone tell me the story behind that image? (and don't try to tell me ol' Nocty from the POE forums finally flipped the fuck out and turned furry... that would make me a sad little skunk).

This thread from Portal of Evil. The artist is Tal-pass Portaxx (a.k.a. Jazaaboo).

thanks. I didn't know she also went by "Jazaaboo", which is probably why I've never been able to find much of her work before.

Muttfan · Lurker Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 1

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

o rly?

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 473

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

AHEM.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

VEERY EENTERESTINK!

Just for the record, I'll offer up this image from 2000 for the sake of letting everyone else decide if, at least for my part, I'm contributing to this thread because I'm jealous of Mutt's l33t @r7 sk1llz.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

VEERY EENTERESTINK!

Just for the record, I'll offer up this image from 2000 for the sake of letting everyone else decide if, at least for my part, I'm contributing to this thread because I'm jealous of Mutt's l33t @r7 sk1llz.

Oooh. That screenshot is from Spain. I recognize the "Antena 3" symbol. :)

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 595

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

Actually I'd think I'd have probably killed myself by now if I drew as poorly as he does. So nice try but no dice.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Interesting gradient. Either he changes his position more often than a politician or he's looking for attention. OH MY GOD

Bloodied · Qualificator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 33

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

1) It's CYD; don't waste your breath trying to defend anyone here because, honestly, no-one's gonna listen.

2) If you're gonna defend someone, learn to fucking spell first, hmm?

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

1) It's CYD; don't waste your breath trying to defend anyone here because, honestly, no-one's gonna listen.

2) If you're gonna defend someone, learn to fucking spell first, hmm?

If you're gonna be a troll, learn to spell, hmm? If I'm not mistaken, I see a huge line between

MUTT ROCKS! You guys are just jelous he'z better then you.

and

I like Mutt's stuff *insert logical explanation here*

So instead of trolling someone for disagreeing with you, maybe you should... OMG have a logical conversation with people?

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 353

Interesting gradient. Either he changes his position more often than a politician or he's looking for attention. OH MY GOD

I'd say it's more the latter.
I'd say that, should there be a single person behind those aliases, he or she is trying to make some of the CYD folks to talk about the comic and, if things go fine, to have one of the talking heads here on CYD to type a complete review of the comic. It seems reasonable to think this person is closely related to this comic, like, say, one of the authors.

That person started by introducing us the comic, and then, since the thread was going quite slow and they weren't getting what they wanted, they used sockpuppets in an attempt to squeeze more CYDesque comments. Twice. Until Mitch came and unmasked them.

Actually, it's the second time in a few weeks I see somebody directly related with a webcomic trying to poke CYD in search of comments or critiques. (Here's the first one). And I find it amusing. It may be connected with The New Meat's excellent critique of WCOTP. Or maybe it's just that furry comics need now a "seal of disapproval" from CYD in order to get ... er... more status or the stuff. But I find it quite amusing. If the flow of cartoonists trying to promote their stuff continue, we'll have to open a forum for them, entitled "You suck too!" subtitled, "post your comic here and we'll do our best to deflate your swollen ego" or the stuff, and moderated by The New Meat. That would be cool.

Or horrible.

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 660

If the flow of cartoonists trying to promote their stuff continue, we'll have to open a forum for them, entitled "You suck too!" subtitled, "post your comic here and we'll do our best to deflate your swollen ego" or the stuff, and moderated by The New Meat. That would be cool.

I love this idea because I'm happy whenever anyone mentions my name:)

Dr. Dos · Venter Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 244

furries wanting attention?

blasphemous!

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Or maybe it's just that furry comics need now a "seal of disapproval" from CYD in order to get ... er... more status or the stuff.

It's a badge they could wear to show their friends. 'We're so edgy and furry, even those CYD mundanes don't get it. It must be deep and artistic, why else would they hate us?' Like those kicked from the furry MUCKs or SA Forums. Some furries thrive on rejection...

CYD becomes the arbiter of 'real furriness'... what irony!

furries wanting attention?

blasphemous!

I know! I'm still coming to terms with it myself!

Bloodied · Qualificator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 33

So instead of trolling someone for disagreeing with you, maybe you should... OMG have a logical conversation with people?

Logical conversation online? That's possible? :shock:

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Maybe it's a hazing ritual. You're not edgy enough as a furry comic artist until you've taken CYD head-on.

Something the furries forget.. and we sometimes might here as well (at least going by text alone, rather than subtext)... is that online comics are one of those places where one man's trash is another man's treasure. My wife and I were talking about this the other night in relation to anime, music snobs, folks that praise one TV show and denounce another. It's really all just opinion. The particular topic of our conversation was Twin Peaks. Neither of us has ever had any interest in it, and I can quite honestly say I've never seen a complete episode. I was recalling the time wherein it was THE show to watch (about the same time as Northern Exposure, which we were watching at the time). I didn't want to watch it... she didn't like what she saw... so we were comparing how we both had had people tell us that we "just don't get it."

It's the same with music or comics or whatever... the popular notion these days seems to be that if you don't like something, you're just not capable of "getting it." The simple fact is, some people want to "get it," and others don't. Why? Pure opinion. It's really not a case of, say, Are You Being Served being better or worse than Survivor... it's just who you ask. Some like one and not the other. Others are vice versa.

So, to "just not get" Mutt's comic or Naylor's or whatever is, really, primarily a matter of taste. Our trash is some furry's treasure. So, we're not some panel of judges defining the worth of this comic or that picture. We're just a bunch of schmoes expressing our opinions..... largely for what we don't like.

If someone else likes it... huzzah. But, it's not likely they'll have much success discussing their adolation for brother-sister kinsex on top of a wagon of simulated foreskins here.

Bloodied · Qualificator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 33

So, we're not some panel of judges defining the worth of this comic or that picture. We're just a bunch of schmoes expressing our opinions..... largely for what we don't like.

I think, and this is just my opinion here, that the problem comes from the fact that you guys come across as extremely vehement and the message, rightly or wrongly, as not one of "Bleh, we don't like this and think it's fucking weird and creepy , but whatever..." but more of "YOU ARE AN EVIL SICK FUCK AND YOU MUST DIE!!! WE ARE THE VOICE OF THE HIGHEST POWER!!!". Sometimes that's justified and sometimes it isn't.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

...

I'd say that, should there be a single person behind those aliases, he or she is trying to make some of the CYD folks to talk about the comic and, if

I'm going to guess that its just some random person trying to get attention.

The IP address resolves to something that looks like its based in McLean, VA but the Mutt guy says on his webpage he's from Texas.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I dunno much about how specific IPAs are, but if this was a college server or something, could it not be three folks from the same school? Not that getting your cronies on board for your schemes is much better than sock puppets. The time frame in which the accounts were all registered is a little suspicious, too.

Jinkies, gang.. it looks like we have a mystery on our hands!

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

You can't rule out proxies either, which will show up as the end-user's IP when used. I also see it resolving in Virginia, just outside Arlington. The chances of the statements put out from all three accounts being three different people is entirely too small. So here's the plan, we'll smoke some pot, split up, set up some goofy trap, get chased by the person, then in a hilarious off-chance accidentally catch him, that's when we'll pull his mask off.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

I know you're probably too scared to let the ghost chase you. Would you do it for Fred's dick... er.... a "Daphne Snack?"

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

I know you're probably too scared to let the ghost chase you. Would you do it for Fred's dick... er.... a "Daphne Snack?"

You just have to rehash bad memories..

SquareMoogle · Venter Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 238

I read enough of it to make me want to headbut my monitor. The best part MUST be this part though...

Oh yeah, and all copyrights and that
kinda shit are mine, mine, mine. You wanna post this on your web
page? Talk to me first: a...@freenet.carleton.ca.

subversive · Prattler Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 180

I dunno much about how specific IPAs are, but if this was a college server or something, could it not be three folks from the same school?

I meant in my post I am guessing all three accounts are the same person, but not the same person as the author of the webcomic.

Its DSL in the DC suburbs somewhere. Probably some dude in his parent's basement. Hay Muttfan, how's the wood panelling treating you? Does the sump pump wake you up?

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Jinkies, gang.. it looks like we have a mystery on our hands!

Detective Boy Conan? I support that.

I know you're probably too scared to let the ghost chase you. Would you do it for Fred's dick... er.... a "Daphne Snack?"

You just have to rehash bad memories..

That we both independently post links to stories by Nikolaus Maack only confirms once again that we're on the same page thought wise. Let this knowledge comfort you as you sleep tonight, as it will comfort me.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

That we both independently post links to stories by Nikolaus Maack only confirms once again that we're on the same page thought wise. Let this knowledge comfort you as you sleep tonight, as it will comfort me.

...GET THE WORMS OUT OF MY BRAAUUAUUUUB!