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Shadowlady
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Posted: 10/21/2003 12:58:11 AM     Post subject: Unfortunate insights...  

Hello, everybody. Upon looking for, well, not so much anti-furry sentiment as people who actually GET what a nauseating freak show this whole 'furry' mess is, I found myself here. I'm a bit new to this forum, so bear with me a few.

I am the recovering ex-girlfriend of a self-described 'hardcore furry'.

He seemed like a nice guy when I met him. Sure, he drew furry art, but it was tame stuff and he said he really wasn't into the 'scene'. Stupid me, I fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Over the next several months, "I'm not part of the scene" became "Well, people in the fandom know my name and I have some friends who are furries."

That became "I'm a furry fan, but I'm not one of these psychos who actually thinks he's an animal, and the perverts and zoophiles are screwing up the good name of the fandom for the rest of us decent people."

That became "Well, okay, I do believe I have an animal spirit, and I have a few friends who are zoophiles and I kinda understand where they're coming from, but I'd never do that myself."

That became "Did I ever tell you about the 'relationship' I had with (some poor captive animal, name and species deleted for its protection)?"

...which became "I don't understand why you look so squicked when I ask you to roleplay my incestuous pedophilic dogf**king fantasies about my furry alter ego's 12-year-old daughters so I can get off!"

Moral of the story... if anyone involved in that whole scene tries to convince you that a) it's not about sex or b) everyone ELSE in the fandom is a pervert but they're perfectly normal...

...they're a goddamn liar.
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Posted: 10/21/2003 1:57:38 AM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  

Moral of the story... if anyone involved in that whole scene tries to convince you that a) it's not about sex or b) everyone ELSE in the fandom is a pervert but they're perfectly normal...

...they're a goddamn liar.


they may be lying

as for
"a) it's not about sex or b) everyone ELSE in the fandom is a pervert but they're perfectly normal..."

specifically ...
depends on where you look
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Posted: 10/21/2003 2:00:29 AM     Post subject:  

I'm sorry for your experience but it isn't necessarily so that everyone is a freak. My POV on the fandom is that there's a small but growing contingent of freaks and a large and growing majority of people unwilling to do a damn thing about it. None of the furs I know on a person to person basis comes close to your ex. Slightly odd at best. Several are engineers.

But your ex is not unusual by any stretch. Classic dysfunctional lifestyler. Bad enough so many can't land a signifigant other, but this one gets a girlfriend and STILL screws it up by not having normal wonderful sex like all the other people on the planet but instead turns it into a large clusterf*ck of furry insanity.

You have my sympathies. I've known females in the fandom whose girls complained that their boyfriends couldn't be bothered to pull themselves away from FurryMUCK long enough to have any sex worth having.
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Posted: 10/21/2003 2:05:11 AM     Post subject:  

Guest this time was me, Wayd. Bouncing between IE and Mozilla Firebird and forgot which was logged in. :roll:
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Posted: 10/21/2003 2:05:48 AM     Post subject:  

WTF??? Now it won't stay logged in... Guess IE tossed its cookies. :shock:
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Posted: 10/21/2003 3:25:28 AM     Post subject:  

I'm sorry for your experience but it isn't necessarily so that everyone is a freak. My POV on the fandom is that there's a small but growing contingent of freaks and a large and growing majority of people unwilling to do a damn thing about it. None of the furs I know on a person to person basis comes close to your ex. Slightly odd at best. Several are engineers.

But your ex is not unusual by any stretch. Classic dysfunctional lifestyler. Bad enough so many can't land a signifigant other, but this one gets a girlfriend and STILL screws it up by not having normal wonderful sex like all the other people on the planet but instead turns it into a large clusterf*ck of furry insanity.

You have my sympathies. I've known females in the fandom whose girls complained that their boyfriends couldn't be bothered to pull themselves away from FurryMUCK long enough to have any sex worth having.



Generaly a safe way to figure it out, is does he/she have intrests outside of the fandom, be it furry, Trek, gaming or whathave you. If the answer is yes, more than likely they're a fairly normal person. If however, their life revolves around one thing only...run away very quickly!!! (as I found out when my ex fiancee's only real intrest was in the Gor novels, and spent I'd say about 80 percent of her time on Gor themed mucks. This is a reason why she is an ex fiancee. :)
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Posted: 10/21/2003 12:10:25 PM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  


That became "Did I ever tell you about the 'relationship' I had with (some poor captive animal, name and species deleted for its protection)?"



You should tell him to see a mental health professional, that needs psychological treatment since itís most often caused by things like depression and/or a self destructive urge.


...which became "I don't understand why you look so squicked when I ask you to roleplay my incestuous pedophilic dogf**king fantasies about my furry alter ego's 12-year-old daughters so I can get off!"


Likewise, if he has fantaises about pedophilia, he is a potential risk, and should seek treatment.
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Posted: 10/22/2003 1:30:18 AM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  


That became "Did I ever tell you about the 'relationship' I had with (some poor captive animal, name and species deleted for its protection)?"



You should tell him to see a mental health professional, that needs psychological treatment since itís most often caused by things like depression and/or a self destructive urge.


...which became "I don't understand why you look so squicked when I ask you to roleplay my incestuous pedophilic dogf**king fantasies about my furry alter ego's 12-year-old daughters so I can get off!"


Likewise, if he has fantaises about pedophilia, he is a potential risk, and should seek treatment.


How can you make excuses for these dipshits, chalking it up to society and powers beyond their control, yet say that they should seek treatment? That would mean they DO have culpability in their actions, and are the ones to blame. They DO commit the acts, not society. if society were responsible, their seeking treatment would be useless because society itself would remain unchanged.

Dave, you of all people with your extreme distaste of sex with animals should be one of the first to stand up and scream, "This is not right. What is wrong with your people?!"

Join the party on the side of right, Dave. See that problem furries are responsible and need help. If you give a damn about anyone, you have to feel for the total desolation they wreak upon their own posterity. So help bring them into the light. Screwing animals is wrong as you know. Wanting to screw little kids is wrong. So make the rest of the journey to see that the rest of their sick obsessions are wrong.

A fetish is one thing, an occassional kink is another, and making them the core of your entire existance is just plain wrong. Help bring them around to the real world.
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Posted: 10/22/2003 2:38:03 AM     Post subject:  

Generaly a safe way to figure it out, is does he/she have intrests outside of the fandom, be it furry, Trek, gaming or whathave you. If the answer is yes, more than likely they're a fairly normal person. If however, their life revolves around one thing only...run away very quickly!!! (as I found out when my ex fiancee's only real intrest was in the Gor novels, and spent I'd say about 80 percent of her time on Gor themed mucks. This is a reason why she is an ex fiancee. :)


Gor enthusiasts are one of the elite few groups Lowtax hates as much as furries. I've had no encounters with any of them so far and I really hope things stay that way.
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Posted: 10/22/2003 9:58:00 AM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  

Hello, everybody. Upon looking for, well, not so much anti-furry sentiment as people who actually GET what a nauseating freak show this whole 'furry' mess is, I found myself here. I'm a bit new to this forum, so bear with me a few. ...

Moral of the story... if anyone involved in that whole scene tries to convince you that a) it's not about sex or b) everyone ELSE in the fandom is a pervert but they're perfectly normal...

...they're a goddamn liar.

Hi Shadowlady. Yes, you've come to the right place...

First, this forum is an EXCELLENT place for insight seeing as how many of the forum members are a prize example. And your moral is absolutely 100% correct. I'll generalise it and say that if anyone says that they are part of one scene but loudly insists that they're not one of the "psycho perverts" in a closely associated scene, then it's odds on that they're a problem case themself.
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Posted: 10/22/2003 11:26:59 AM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  


How can you make excuses for these dipshits, chalking it up to society and powers beyond their control, yet say that they should seek treatment? That would mean they DO have culpability in their actions, and are the ones to blame. They DO commit the acts, not society. if society were responsible, their seeking treatment would be useless because society itself would remain unchanged.


Society may be the cause, but people have to deal with the end result.
You can work out why people do it, what drives them to it, what motivates them, but you cannot "cure" attraction to animals any more than you can cure homosexuality or whatever, If you want to stop people doing it, they have to want to not do it anymore, and they have to be able to resist the temptation, keep out of contact from animals etc, this is bet served by aiding them with treatment from qualified professionals.

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Posted: 10/22/2003 4:55:59 PM     Post subject: Re: Unfortunate insights...  

Hello, everybody. Upon looking for, well, not so much anti-furry sentiment as people who actually GET what a nauseating freak show this whole 'furry' mess is, I found myself here. I'm a bit new to this forum, so bear with me a few. ...

Moral of the story... if anyone involved in that whole scene tries to convince you that a) it's not about sex or b) everyone ELSE in the fandom is a pervert but they're perfectly normal...

...they're a goddamn liar.

Hi Shadowlady. Yes, you've come to the right place...

First, this forum is an EXCELLENT place for insight seeing as how many of the forum members are a prize example. And your moral is absolutely 100% correct. I'll generalise it and say that if anyone says that they are part of one scene but loudly insists that they're not one of the "psycho perverts" in a closely associated scene, then it's odds on that they're a problem case themself.


Please, not the old "methinks he doth protest too much" argument. I used to regularly argue tooth and nail with the Star Trek fans in my old SF group, because I didn't want to be associated in any way with them, so would that somehow make me a secret Trekkie?
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Posted: 10/23/2003 4:37:11 PM     Post subject:  

No, I merely said "odds on" . However, I must admit that the "regularly argue tooth and nail" bit would make me suspect that you've got "issues". Sorry. It's not like the general public is aware of, or would even care about, the distinction between trekkies and trekkers or even SF fans.
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Posted: 10/23/2003 5:36:00 PM     Post subject:  

No, I merely said "odds on" . However, I must admit that the "regularly argue tooth and nail" bit would make me suspect that you've got "issues". Sorry.
You have no idea how annoying those Trekkies were. No idea whatsoever. They would have tried the patience of a saint. But hey, it was just one of those heated fandom issues that look pretty damned silly years on after you've long since quit the fandom concerned, and yes I do feel a little foolish now looking back on it.

It's not like the general public is aware of, or would even care about, the distinction between trekkies and trekkers or even SF fans.
And the general public is similarly unaware that there's a distinction between the "ordinary" furry fan and the *ahem* "more colourful" minority. I have little doubt that when that CSI episode airs, it will cause thousands of people to assume that ALL furries are people who dress up in fursuits for sexual purposes.
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Posted: 10/23/2003 7:24:48 PM     Post subject:  

Apparently Scientist have discovered that our sexuality is hardwired into our genes before birth...now if they could only find the gene for stupidity and weed that out....
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Posted: 10/24/2003 11:11:35 AM     Post subject:  

You have no idea how annoying those Trekkies were. No idea whatsoever. They would have tried the patience of a saint. But hey, it was just one of those heated fandom issues that look pretty damned silly years on after you've long since quit the fandom concerned, and yes I do feel a little foolish now looking back on it.

And the general public is similarly unaware that there's a distinction between the "ordinary" furry fan and the *ahem* "more colourful" minority. I have little doubt that when that CSI episode airs, it will cause thousands of people to assume that ALL furries are people who dress up in fursuits for sexual purposes.

Nah. It'll be a laugh. Ya see, although "Furry" is actually a loose collection of groups with completely different interests, anthropomorphics being mine, the rest of it is fun to observe at close quarters. Gives the cons a bazaar atmosphere. I can't imagine why I should want argue with the other groups. I take it you didn't enjoy your screaming arguments. Maybe mine is a British attitude, but a bit of eccentricity makes life more interesting.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 1:31:23 PM     Post subject:  

You have no idea how annoying those Trekkies were. No idea whatsoever. They would have tried the patience of a saint. But hey, it was just one of those heated fandom issues that look pretty damned silly years on after you've long since quit the fandom concerned, and yes I do feel a little foolish now looking back on it.

And the general public is similarly unaware that there's a distinction between the "ordinary" furry fan and the *ahem* "more colourful" minority. I have little doubt that when that CSI episode airs, it will cause thousands of people to assume that ALL furries are people who dress up in fursuits for sexual purposes.

Nah. It'll be a laugh. Ya see, although "Furry" is actually a loose collection of groups with completely different interests, anthropomorphics being mine, the rest of it is fun to observe at close quarters. Gives the cons a bazaar atmosphere. I can't imagine why I should want argue with the other groups. I take it you didn't enjoy your screaming arguments. Maybe mine is a British attitude, but a bit of eccentricity makes life more interesting.
No, I would call it an English attitude; a tolerance for eccentricity just so long as it doesn't frighten the horses or give the proles ideas above their station. OH I SAY DO LOOK AT THOSE QUAINT PEOPLES IN THEIR TRADITIONAL ANIMAL COSTUMES HOW VEDDY AMUSING OLD FRUIT

Oh, it's no secret I have an interest in anthropomorphics as well, but I have no wish to argue with any of "the other groups" because I'm delighted by their bizarre behaviour and goings-on, and I find it all endlessly fascinating and funny. Though if anyone says that the fiction I've written featuring talking animals (I mention this to pre-empt surprise 'revelations' from anyone) means I'm a furry I might just start screaming again...
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Posted: 10/24/2003 2:35:08 PM     Post subject:  

Oh, it's no secret I have an interest in anthropomorphics as well, but I have no wish to argue with any of "the other groups" because I'm delighted by their bizarre behaviour and goings-on, and I find it all endlessly fascinating and funny. Though if anyone says that the fiction I've written featuring talking animals (I mention this to pre-empt surprise 'revelations' from anyone) means I'm a furry I might just start screaming again...


I ceased calling myself a furry with any real seriousness when I finally realized that there was this small but growing and very idiotically vocal bunch whose attitude was, "we're furry, we're queer, we fuck animals, we screw in fursuits, we wank over spooge, and we're going to get up in your face with it and there's nothing you can do about it because we're victims and you're just stupid mundanes!" and worse yet, a much larger group who by ignoring them was neglecting to consider that these are the exact type who when ignored will ESCALATE their behaviour until they DO get noticed.

Now I have to keep my writing totally within furry because outside of it, it carries the damn stigma they've caused to be attached to anything remotely anthropomorphic. Heck, if a totally straight person's first exposure to homosexuality was furrydom, everyone from David Geffen to Harvey Firestein would be hanging their heads and going, "just so you know, not every gay person is remotely like that."

The biggest problem with anything is often who you have to be associated with no matter how hard you try not to be. Trek fan = slash fiction freak speaking Klingon all the time. Anthropomorphic writer = secret furry freak. Gay/Bi = wanting to fist your son/husband/father/every male you know. So on. At least Trekkies have more of a tendency to tell their fringe to put it away until the next convention. Not so in furry.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 4:27:35 PM     Post subject:  

Erm..Excuse Me, I'm english....

That was mildly insulting, yah know.

Oh I agree life needs some weirdoes just to make stuff amusing, I just don't see what idiots like the prat who posted a 'how-to-have-sex-with-Dolphins' to a kids message board I used to mod have to do with furry, that's not only illegal it's socially unacceptable so why do they proclaim if so loudly and proudly at conventions.

Btw I also have some other fandoms I'm a big part off and in most of those the more weirder people tend to get ostracised, ie in the gargoyles fandom there's one person who insists they own Demona and that they originally had the idea before the series came out on TV, most fans will barely speak to her cos she's too weird. They don't ban her from conventions because she hasn't really done anything too strange but they don't go out of their way to include her in stuff.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 5:13:15 PM     Post subject:  

Erm..Excuse Me, I'm english....

That was mildly insulting, yah know.
Sorry! I just came over all sarcastic, like. I had this vision of Swipecat strolling through a furry con like some Victorian gent touring a seedy Moroccan bazaar, cool as a cucumber no matter what bizarre spectacles he sees, and ever so careful not to get into any arguments with the natives ("They are just as human as are we, Carruthers, despite their unwholesome practices, ours not to criticize their heathen ways").
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Posted: 10/24/2003 6:40:22 PM     Post subject:  


Sorry! I just came over all sarcastic, like. I had this vision of Swipecat strolling through a furry con like some Victorian gent touring a seedy Moroccan bazaar, cool as a cucumber no matter what bizarre spectacles he sees, and ever so careful not to get into any arguments with the natives ("They are just as human as are we, Carruthers, despite their unwholesome practices, ours not to criticize their heathen ways").


Not to worry, I wasn't all that insulted :wink:

:lol: *rotfl* I can see that an all...toodles and pip pip and all that stuff...we'll have tea on the crocquet lawn :P

:roll: I'll admit british people are seen as the ultimate acceptees but still :P even we can spot something wrong with a percentage of furries.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 8:25:33 PM     Post subject:  


No, I would call it an English attitude; a tolerance for eccentricity just so long as it doesn't frighten the horses or give the proles ideas above their station. OH I SAY DO LOOK AT THOSE QUAINT PEOPLES IN THEIR TRADITIONAL ANIMAL COSTUMES HOW VEDDY AMUSING OLD FRUIT


The Spirit of P G Wodehouse.



Though if anyone says that the fiction I've written featuring talking animals (I mention this to pre-empt surprise 'revelations' from anyone) means I'm a furry I might just start screaming again...


Please can you give a URL or samples of it.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 8:39:11 PM     Post subject:  

My parents are Avid watchers of Csi, so when the stupid Fursuit/Furry promo came on, they called me and asked "Aren't these the people you goto conventions with??"

I just groaned and said "yes and no" I just draw the stuff, i try to stay away from the culture and weirdos as much as possible.

But i realized something. And its a pretty big thing.

You have to be perverted in some creative way to draw Anthro Porn.

All this bitching i make about the fucked up requests ive gotten and still
get, doesn't make it any better when i usually toss my morals to the wind
when im broke and need cash, so i drew stuff im not proud of, and no
matter the subject matter, its still being a pervert.

With this realization, im sick of hearing "i just draw what im paid to do." You have to be fucked on come level to draw SOME things. Like those that draw the pedoporn. They wouldn't draw so much of it and still not like it somewhat.

I mean, you may not be getting your jollies from it, but you have to feel your art, otherwise it'll come out looking like shit.

And being a Real artist means if it looks like shit, don't go batty and post it on the IN FAR NET and say "im still learning" you go back and do it again until its right.

Bleh, Enough of that.

My parents Watch Csi. I watch it too. Will TEH FURRYS! being on Csi make me stop watching? no. If all they wanted was a abborant section of a sub-culture to make fun of, fine, but lumping all of us together with those Fuckbag Tardmonkies is stupid. Great Ratings,But stupid.

And its not Furry. Its AnthroMorphic Fiction and Art. or funny animal. Christ.

I want to find the Inventers of the Words "furry" and "yiff". and rape them with a bandsaw.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 9:08:12 PM     Post subject:  


But i realized something. And its a pretty big thing.

You have to be perverted in some creative way to draw Anthro Porn.


Go to a comic book store and ask to see their adult comics, you'll be surpised at what kind of "american" erotica comics you'll find that it blows "anthro porn" out of the water. The only reason it's perverted is that it's called "furry" (in most cases) and that you have people who are not good at drawing, creating it.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 9:13:40 PM     Post subject:  

Oops! I thought I was logged on that time. That one is mine also. My computer is on the fritz.
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Posted: 10/24/2003 9:19:03 PM     Post subject:  

Please can you give a URL or samples of it.

Sure, email me and I'll let you have a peek at it.
mitch(at)crushyiffdestroy.com
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Posted: 10/24/2003 10:24:06 PM     Post subject:  

Erm..Excuse Me, I'm english....

That was mildly insulting, yah know.
Sorry! I just came over all sarcastic, like. I had this vision of Swipecat strolling through a furry con like some Victorian gent touring a seedy Moroccan bazaar, cool as a cucumber no matter what bizarre spectacles he sees, and ever so careful not to get into any arguments with the natives ("They are just as human as are we, Carruthers, despite their unwholesome practices, ours not to criticize their heathen ways").


Please! Can we PLEASE dispell the British stereotype of the poncy gentlemen going "Pip pip. Cheerio, and all that"? It's so not like them.

After all, they're more like the Vyvyan "'OI! Iz dat a furry? Let's set his fur on fihre and kick his teeth in!! That'd oughtta be good for a laff!".

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Posted: 10/25/2003 6:31:29 AM     Post subject:  

I Wasn't being broad enough. I recognize the Talents of Vaughn bode,Milo Manara, Robert crumb, Reed Waller, and a host of other "Underground or XXX artists who deserve more recognition.

What i mean to say is that a "Holier than thou" attutude and stance taken by some artists, who will draw porn if paid enough money, is silly.

There are plenty of Anthro and Non-Anthro Fantasy and otherwise artists who will not Draw porn. Not for themselves, not for anyone.

While id love to see a Nude black canary Drawn by Jim Lee, It won't happen. Man has a reputation to keep intact. And there are many in the fandom with aspirations for animation careers. Porn and espescially Porn of a oddball variety can draw unwanted attention to yourself.

Which seems to reason why all the artists i know who do comics and otherwise MAKE the nice saleries, because they draw whats popular.

Comics? superheros and lots of Drama
The *furry* fandom? giant-titted dog monsters with lots of Spooey.

It sucks, but its how to make a living in this game.
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Posted: 10/25/2003 1:02:36 PM     Post subject:  

I dunno about anyone else, but I draw porn if i want to because I enjoy showing the naked body.

Though I don't go for some of the more twisted stuff like, cub artwork, scat and Vore.

I would charge though to draw it for other people cos the porn I draw is for me :wink: though I won't draw anything for anyone else that I'm uncomfortable with.

Most of my porn is of the romantic sweet or goofy kind so it's not the popular :wink:
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Posted: 10/25/2003 1:14:15 PM     Post subject:  

I dunno about anyone else, but I draw porn if i want to because I enjoy showing the naked body.

Though I don't go for some of the more twisted stuff like, cub artwork, scat and Vore.

I would charge though to draw it for other people cos the porn I draw is for me :wink: though I won't draw anything for anyone else that I'm uncomfortable with.

Most of my porn is of the romantic sweet or goofy kind so it's not the popular :wink:


Please please please please, Can I see some of your artwork, not pr0n, just some tame stuff so I can look at it.
Iím all curious now as to see how your art is.
You can e-mail some to <ssunders (at) btinternet.com>
If you still donít have your website up.
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