Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Iconoclastic · Prattler Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 187

I've been on the edge of my chair, mouth wide open with every click and turn of page. I've been disabused of notion that I can go to a con, meet the few friends and artists I like, and go home with my head still high.

I'm not a fursuiter, plush fucker or lifestyler of any sort. I just like cartooning and anthro art. I knew it was ugly out there beyond the view of my Yerf-tinted glasses, but I bought into the furry apologetics of it all being a fringe element and easily avoidable should I not partake of those fruits. I'm doubting that now.

I intended to try a con this year. Had I not been acclimated to the extent of the horror, I would have barricaded myself in my hotel room until the day of my return flight. I'm not a crusading, moral purist in any sense, but, Jesus Christ, the line has to be drawn somewhere. I don't see why that line can't be the threshold of their bedroom door.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Welcome, Iconoclastic.

I happen to like anthro art too. In fact I'm anxiously awaiting the day Yerf goes back online so that I can browse furry art without having the urge to vomit at the screen. (I know, Ch'marr. Use the sieve.)

To me, the important thing is to realize that in any large gathering of people, there's bound to be more idiots than you can count on two hands. I say attend that con, still hold your head high, and enjoy the hell out of anthro art. Nowadays that's all you can do ... except make fun of the nutjobs, of course. That's always fun. :D

Iconoclastic · Prattler Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 187

I may give it a shot just to see with my own eyes. But, the last time I did this I had a face-to-pavement hit of reality.

There was a slumside gallery nearby that was running a furry exhibit, billed to the general art scene. I don't know what I was expecting, but certainly not this: foamboard cutouts of a naked and busty purple skunk drawn in WB stylization (I recognize that now to be the work of Schwartz), pictures of porn stars with animal heads photoshopped upon them, and drawings of a hairy, fat guy in a poodle outfit getting pissed on.

I've seen bad furry porn online, but it's different when you're face to face with it. You're there in the flesh, in a room full of fucked up fantasies with no back button to save you from your misadventure. I felt absolutely humiliated.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 637

Well, you seem to have had a very sheltered experiance with furry so far. That's good I guess. Just be careful, furrydum has no bottom. Meaning that just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it gets even more worse. I wouldn't be all that surprised if there was a picture of some furry raping a dismembered furry child's body while wearing it's skin and eating scat.

I for one, would atleast take some vick's vapor rub to put under my nose. That way you can atleast escape the B.O. and bad breath.

Iconoclastic · Prattler Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 187

I used to consider myself a degenerate, but now I see there's still miles of the downward spiral below me. It's so enticing just to watch and see what the next, lower rung will be.

Mandarax · Qualificator Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

From my time, I've kinda figured that the fandom always has and always will be subdivided into different groups, like the openly yiffy fursuiters, to the politely discrete fetishists, to the Yerf-sequestered folks who'd much rather pretend the word "yiff" doesn't actually exist in any form in any dialect. All these types visit the cons, and there's no real way to completely avoid any of them. Myself, along with several friends, will be heading to Philadelphia early this July for Anthrocon. From talking to friends who've been, it sounds like it's a really great place - all the "dirty" art is kept in guarded rooms you have to show age ID to enter, and vulgarity is highly frowned upon. What happens in your hotelroom, noone asks, as long as you keep it in your hotel room. I say go to the con, politely decline any offers of scritches, and enjoy yourself. Chances are you'll have a great time.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

I wouldn't be all that surprised if there was a picture of some furry raping a dismembered furry child's body while wearing it's skin and eating scat.

"Buffalo" Bill.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

I'm really sorry, but uh, no amount of post-it-notes or enforced civility is going to make a furry convention any less creepy. It's a little like trying to create fat-free lard, if you get my drift.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

I'm really sorry, but uh, no amount of post-it-notes or enforced civility is going to make a furry convention any less creepy. It's a little like trying to create fat-free lard, if you get my drift.

...either way, it ends with anal leakage.

Mandarax · Qualificator Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 3

well, similarly, some people never feel comfy in the presence of mass quantities of another race (one white man at a black supremacy rally, or vice versa) :P Either way, it's up to you whether you wanna always feel like your ass-chastity is in clear and present danger or if you can shrug it off and know you're gonna be fine.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

At this point, the inmates are running the asylum. The worst case scenario is the norm in "mainstream" furry fandom. The only way the normal...er...normalISH fans will survive is probably by creating an entirely seperate fandom under a new banner. The word furry is now and forever tainted, and it's being driven deeper into the septic tank every day.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

The only way the normal...er...normalISH fans will survive is probably by creating an entirely seperate fandom under a new banner. The word furry is now and forever tainted, and it's being driven deeper into the septic tank every day.

I think someone tried this. However, all accounts state that 'Burned Furs' thing didn't work out too well. I suppose, being run by and made up of furries, it was rather doomed to failure. Though as noted somewhere in the middle of the fifth paragraph, the attempt to distance themselves from furries while doing most of the same things furries do rather nullified the effort...

We've still some time before the first 'I'm a fan, not a fucking faggy furry' convention.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

I say go to the con, politely decline any offers of scritches, and enjoy yourself. Chances are you'll have a great time.

If you're going with friends, or meeting people you'd like to meet, I guess it doesn't matter much what weirdness happens around you. Personally, the only reason I'd go to a con was to look for obscure funny animal comic books that are hard to find elsewhere... but that's not reason enough. FURSUITS SCARE ME. And the atrocity tourism of looking at all the weirdness surrounding furrry cons I can get from the internet. No need to see it for real.

Psy Fox · Qualificator Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 14

At this point, the inmates are running the asylum. The worst case scenario is the norm in "mainstream" furry fandom. The only way the normal...er...normalISH fans will survive is probably by creating an entirely seperate fandom under a new banner. The word furry is now and forever tainted, and it's being driven deeper into the septic tank every day.

The better solution is tring to stuff furry fandom back into comic/animation fandom. See the problem is there no furry underground as it is all mostly out in the open since for some fucked up reason furries WANT to share their fetish with the entire community instead of just the underground like the comic community for the most part does.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

The Burned Fur movement was a decent idea, but poorly executed. For starters, there was going to be too much cross over between the would-be Burned Furs and furries that denounced the fandom openly, but fapped to Winger pics privately. Their approach was a bit too all-or-nothing to successfuly take off without ostracizing the furries that were in the middle of the road.

The BFs also created too much drama on the way out. If they had decided simply find another term to identify themselves as furry fans that weren't openly fucked up and congregate under that term.. leaving the fandom behind quietly.. they may have had less opposition. But, by creating their manifesto and denouncing the furry freaks, they ousted themselves and created tension for those that may have not liked the freak factor, but have been tolerant of those freaks they were friends with, rather than creating conflics with brands of "Us" vs. "Them."

From my time, I've kinda figured that the fandom always has and always will be subdivided into different groups, like the openly yiffy fursuiters

I say go to the con, politely decline any offers of scritches, and enjoy yourself.

Penalty - blue team... use of the terms "yiffy" and "scritches" as actual words. Go sit in the corner young man!

(Just givin' ya a hard time. :))

Anencephalic Baby Jesus · Rasophore Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 69

The better solution is tring to stuff furry fandom back into comic/animation fandom

OH NO YOU DON'T, MISTER, we finally got rid of those bastards and you want to send them marching right back in? No thanks.

Psy Fox · Qualificator Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 14

The better solution is tring to stuff furry fandom back into comic/animation fandom

OH NO YOU DON'T, MISTER, we finally got rid of those bastards and you want to send them marching right back in? No thanks.

The underground of the comic/animation fandom would be a better place as they can do what ever the fuck they want within the underground yet there can still be a normal furry sub.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

Unfortunately -- either inadvertenly or because furries seek to define themselves as glaringly special snowflakes -- furrydom has already isolated itself from the rest of the comics scene, which is one reason you will find Uncle Scrooge comics next to Captain Marvel, but are not as likely to find Red Shetland legitimately considered to be in the same category as the other two.

Furthermore, furrydom has willingly let its porn contingent become so visually prevalent (even if a small percentage of furry material) that the whole of it is considered close enough to the comics underground that I don't think it'd be possible to have furrydom be a subculture of the comics/animation scene and furry porn be a part of the underground. It's pretty much all lumped in as underground stuff in the eyes of your average comics/animation fan.

In fact, I think most furry comics were underground comics like Vootie and Omaha when it first got its foothold. Albedo, Xanadu, and Critters were the first "formally" furry comics I know of that weren't laden down with sex and drugs enough to even attempt to be part of mainstream comics.

Strychnine Velcro · Qualificator Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 34

It ain't what you do but the way that you do it, to a certain extent. I would be honestly overjoyed to open my internet and find a furry with intelligence or emotional maturity or artistic talent or a sense of humour or whatever. But 9 times out of 10 it's a gallery of copyright foxcocks scrawled by a Widney High dropout with 25 personality disorders.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Comics and anime fandoms are about certain media, pretty much no matter the content, while furrydumb is about a certain type of content no matter the media, and therefore it does not fit within the comics or anime fandoms. Incidentally, it's my impression that the vast majority of furry art is single pictures, i.e. the stuff your typical "furry artist" produces - not comics or films or books, further removing it from established fandoms.

Furthermore, furrydom has willingly let its porn contingent become so visually prevalent (even if a small percentage of furry material) that the whole of it is considered close enough to the comics underground that I don't think it'd be possible to have furrydom be a subculture of the comics/animation scene and furry porn be a part of the underground. It's pretty much all lumped in as underground stuff in the eyes of your average comics/animation fan.

I'm not aware of any actual figures, but I spoke with one guy who has attended several furry cons, and he estimated that about half of what was on dealers' tables there would classify as porn. Other than that, I don't think your average comics/animation fan would consider furrydumb part of their respective fandoms for the reasons mentioned above.

In fact, I think most furry comics were underground comics like Vootie and Omaha when it first got its foothold. Albedo, Xanadu, and Critters were the first "formally" furry comics I know of that weren't laden down with sex and drugs enough to even attempt to be part of mainstream comics.

Omaha was in many ways a part of the (then slowly dying) American underground comics scene, published as it was by Kitchen Sink.

Albedo, OTOH, was probably the quintessential comic title in defining the emerging "furry fandom" - even if Albedo had no porn in it... but then, it started out in 1984, and the horrors were still at least ten years in the future... I wonder what Steve Gallacci thinks of what has become of the fandom he played a part in creating?

For the record, Critters was a funny animal comic, not a furry comic. Small but significant difference. Critters' editor Kim Thompson made a point of not catering to the wishes of fans who made demands as to what he put in his anthology. (I recall how Taral Wayne made public his annoyance over this alleged "arrogance" on Thompson's part. Of course, Thompson today remains an editor and publisher of both mainstream and "independent" comics, while Wayne is sorely stuck on the dead-end outskirts of furrydumb. Says something about who made the better choices in the long run.)

But at the time, mid-80s, both Critters and Albedo were part of the then-booming "black & white independent comics"; the difference was mainly that the first title had a much bigger print run and better distribution than the latter.

Psy Fox · Qualificator Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 14

Comics and anime fandoms are about certain media, pretty much no matter the content, while furrydumb is about a certain type of content no matter the media, and therefore it does not fit within the comics or anime fandoms.

That is what the subs for example Batman fans that are primary comic fans do watch the animated series and movies. Fans of Steve Purcells Sam&Max followed his work from comics, game to animated series.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Comics and anime fandoms are about certain media, pretty much no matter the content, while furrydumb is about a certain type of content no matter the media, and therefore it does not fit within the comics or anime fandoms.

That is what the subs for example Batman fans that are primary comic fans do watch the animated series and movies. Fans of Steve Purcells Sam&Max followed his work from comics, game to animated series.

That's true, and there are of course lots of that sort of overlapping - when fictional characters or series has that inter-media overlapping. But furrydumb is unique in that it is not about any "furry" equivalents of Batman or Neon Genesis Evangelion; the creative works it focuses on are primarily the furries' own. Sure, some furries like "The Lion King" a lot, but most of it is about that very specific sub-set of anthropomorphics that appeal to prurient interest or otherkin delusion. Furrydumb is not about Donald Duck or Ozy and Millie, it's about furries themselves, about their interaction via animal masks, both in the literal and the figurative sense. As we all should know by now: furrydumb is not a fandom, it's a fetish subculture.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Furrydumb is not about Donald Duck or Ozy and Millie, it's about furries themselves, about their interaction via animal masks, both in the literal and the figurative sense. As we all should know by now: furrydumb is not a fandom, it's a fetish subculture.

I guess I've been living in my "furry is an appreciation for anthropomorphics" dillussion for too long.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1514

I guess I've been living in my "furry is an appreciation for anthropomorphics" dillussion for too long.

...for someone so willing to do a dude that looks/dresses like a chick... wait, yeah, you've got your delusions working.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 631

The underground of the comic/animation fandom would be a better place as they can do what ever the fuck they want within the underground yet there can still be a normal furry sub.

WELCUM 2 1996

Smatterchew · Qualificator Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 13

I still haven't been to a con yet, after like five years in teh online furry world. I'd rather live with my delusion that anthropomorphic art is part of the more legitimate underground comic scene. That it's all just a brush-stroke away from working for Disney or Hallmark Cards. That the sexy stuff is behind-the-scenes light hearted stuff with vaguely erotic drawings of cute girlcats, and harmless jabs at popular culture are all in good fun.

Of course, as a rational human being (somehow I haven't been entirely corrupted or buttferked by the fandom... though the downward spiral beckoned) I can't help but see that my willfuly naive views of the fandom are just a fantasy.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

The underground of the comic/animation fandom would be a better place as they can do what ever the fuck they want within the underground yet there can still be a normal furry sub.

WELCUM 2 1996

I can't believe in the things
that don't believe in me
now it's your turn
to see misanthropy

There's also the alternative, not to give a fuck who's on what side and just stick to your own course and fuck everybody else. It's still just the internet, after all.

ZenZhu · TOP POSTER! Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1510

fuck everybody

Listen to this guy. He knows what he's talking about. After all, he tries to do this on the 8th of every hour... just like The Weather Channel. :twisted:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

fuck everybody

Listen to this guy. He knows what he's talking about. After all, he tries to do this on the 8th of every hour... just like The Weather Channel. :twisted:

SOMEONE GET THE DOG TO KICK
JAWS WIRED SHUT TO SAVE THE DICK
OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT
COMES THE LITTLE HORN

<3 Marilyn Manson lyrics :oops:

doubtingwolf · Rasophore Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 57

There was a slumside gallery nearby that was running a furry exhibit, billed to the general art scene. I don't know what I was expecting, but certainly not this: foamboard cutouts of a naked and busty purple skunk drawn in WB stylization (I recognize that now to be the work of Schwartz), pictures of porn stars with animal heads photoshopped upon them, and drawings of a hairy, fat guy in a poodle outfit getting pissed on.

I've seen bad furry porn online, but it's different when you're face to face with it. You're there in the flesh, in a room full of fucked up fantasies with no back button to save you from your misadventure. I felt absolutely humiliated.

I had almost exactly the same thing happen. Sure I've seen a bunch of furry "art" online, from crappy scribblings to well-drawn pieces. Yiff for merely the sake of pawing off, superdeformed junk, cartoony things, anthropomorphic studies, realistic-looking animals, etc. No stranger to art in many forms, and a fairly frequent visitor of many local galleries. Have even had some of my own works hanging on a few walls before. It's one thing to see this stuff online in all its pixellated glory. But to see the more common yiff framed (a true rarity for any furry art) and presented in the same manner as more conventional art - it just falls flat. Under the gallery lights it is exposed for what it is, the work of untalented hacks.

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Well DB, there is a difference between talent (that is to say a knack for drawing furred testicles) and true artistic discipline. The reason why erotic furry 'art' fails as art is not because it is all poorly done. Some, like Dark Natasha, DO managed to present work which clearly demonstrates talent.

There is no discipline though, and the 'artists' never challenge themselves to do anything more than draw 'yiffy' scenes.

Furry art is the ultimate one trick pony.

Iconoclastic · Prattler Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 187

I think I'm completely detoxed and am ready to move on.

It might have been the beautiful spring day, or the grinding cognitive dissonance of my love-hate relationship with the fandom, but I think it's time to move on.

I've been spending way too much time researching notorious fanboys, nauseating fetishes, and bad porn just for laughs. The creepiness of the furry fandom is becoming so real to me that I can almost smell the piss-stained fursuits. I want to live in a happy, detached world where there's no babyfurs, plush sex or Eric Schwartz. My love of cartooning cannot elipse the horrors of furrydom and what I could become should I dabble any further.

It's been fun, but I'm unplugging for my own good :(

doubtingwolf · Rasophore Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 57

I think I'm completely detoxed and am ready to move on.

It might have been the beautiful spring day, or the grinding cognitive dissonance of my love-hate relationship with the fandom, but I think it's time to move on.

I've been spending way too much time researching notorious fanboys, nauseating fetishes, and bad porn just for laughs. The creepiness of the furry fandom is becoming so real to me that I can almost smell the piss-stained fursuits. I want to live in a happy, detached world where there's no babyfurs, plush sex or Eric Schwartz. My love of cartooning cannot elipse the horrors of furrydom and what I could become should I dabble any further.

It's been fun, but I'm unplugging for my own good :(

Uh... Don't leave because of them, just adjust the dial so as to tune them out a little more.

Because I know someone else will say it, I'd rather be the first IF YOU LEAVE THE FURRORISTS WIN!

There. That's out of my system.

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Nope. I doubt it.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Because I know someone else will say it, I'd rather be the first IF YOU LEAVE THE FURRORISTS WIN!

I know you're just joking, but it doesn't work that way. Furry is a social sinkhole; if you stay in it, then they HAVE won. They survive by sucking the life out of and converting to their world anyone and anything they can, in order to bring it all down to their level. Otherwise they wouldn't have a self-made enviroment bearable enough for them to live in, as the they've since fled/been cast out of the real world.

If anyone can climb out of the muck, they they've won the ultimate prize: freedom of self and a sense personal strength.

doubtingwolf · Rasophore Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 57

Furry is a social sinkhole; if you stay in it, then they HAVE one. They survive by sucking the life out of and converting to their world anyone and anything they can, in order to bring it all down to their level. Otherwise they wouldn't have a self-made enviroment bearable enough for them to live in, as the they've since fled/been cast out of the real world.

If anyone can climb out of the muck, they they've won the ultimate prize: freedom of self and a sense personal strength.

Actually good words, except for the one=won part. :) Fortunately by the sound of it Iconoclastic was never really *in* the 'dum to begin with. Another one escapes their greasy clutches before having to hit the sticky bottom!

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Now why did that image go bye-bye?

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

I will need massive decontamination, for I am in the greasy folds of the fandumb's beargut. However, while here I can, like a distant space probe, beam you images of the stellar idiocy.

So yeah, detox me AFTER I have some good material. K folks?

Iconoclastic · Prattler Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 187

Actually good words, except for the one=won part. Smile Fortunately by the sound of it Iconoclastic was never really *in* the 'dum to begin with. Another one escapes their greasy clutches before having to hit the sticky bottom!

I may be deviant and militantly anti-normal, but my sense of pride prohibits me from donning bunny ears and jumping into fanboy orgies. I agree with Skunkfucker's observation. You start out by turning a blind eye to it all, but eventually the peer pressure caves you and you'll find your dick in an inflatable reindeer.

I guess I just had a fit yesterday because I spent the whole morning mud raking the fandom and had one of those "OMG I'm wasting my youth!" moments. Then the Tiny Toons fapper came along and made the LOLs! flow again. I guess everything in moderation, right? :lol:

Color me :oops: Now that I know who you are IRL, I can't leave just yet =)

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

I dunno. This site provides me with a source of amusement (and the occasional disgust). I'm a furry, I like anthro art, but you'll never find me sticking my dick in a plastic reindeer or anything like that. Such things I find laughable. Therefore, show me a man with a harem of pool toys or something similar and I will laugh in my best Nelson voice.

(And if and only if I happen to be into something that most here would find Atrocity Archive worthy, at least I'd have the decency not to post it online where anyone can view it.)

We're all fucking perverts. Some of us just hide it better.

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

Iconoclastic wrote: I agree with Skunkfucker's observation. You start out by turning a blind eye to it all, but eventually the peer pressure caves you and you'll find your dick in an inflatable reindeer.

Spoken like a hard boiled private eye. Your more deserving of this avatar than me.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

I'm pretty sure, the chances of me A- Drawing tentacle porn and writing Tiny Toons fanfiction or B-Going to a furcon to have nights of crazy love with TDK are about as likely as an extinction level impact of intergalactic solid waste from a passing starcruiser. In other words, I don't see myself falling under the siren song of the fur and becoming a convert. Rather, I just laugh that much harder when some doorknob finds a way to sink teh fandumb to a lower level.

I guess it's more tempting to you guys with all the furry boobies assaulting your eyes each day. =)

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Heh... I like what used to be called funny animal art, but that doesn't mean I have an interest in joining any "fandom". There's no need to associate yourself with people you think behave obnoxiously just because you share an interest with them. But if you can associate with them just to share that interest and ignore the goings-on you don't like, that's just fine of course. There are perfectly well-adjusted people in the fandom who do just that.

Also, liking anthro art obviously doesn't mean you like it all, and furrydumb is notorious for an extremely high level of crap art. The vast majority of the anthro art I like comes from outside furrydumb. That's a thing that annoys me about furrydumb: supposedly it's a place to find anthro art, but it's really only a source for a small fraction of anthro art, and most of that is badly executed porn.

Remember, kids: furrydumb does not hold a monopoly on anthro art. There's plenty of good anthro art out there that has fuckall to do with "furry".

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Well, I think you're only susceptable if you have a) fetishes, b) are a loser, or c) a "medical condition" that leaves you unable to act and interact with other people in a productive manner :wink:

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

Well, I think you're only susceptable if you have a) fetishes, b) are a loser, or c) a "medical condition" that leaves you unable to act and interact with other people in a productive manner :wink:

Addictive personality and stunted sexuality should probably be in there too.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

Well, I think you're only susceptable if you have a) fetishes, b) are a loser, or c) a "medical condition" that leaves you unable to act and interact with other people in a productive manner :wink:

Addictive personality and stunted sexuality should probably be in there too.

How... stunted are we talking? :(

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

Bascially if you don't go looking for crazy stuff and hang around normal acting people your chances of running into odd jobs out side a con area is dramatically reduced. That and get out of the hotel for awhile, why travel hundreds of miles to a new city only to spend the whole time indoors?

I guess, you find what you go looking for. Least that's been my experience. I've heard of the wackos being at the cons, but I've never phsyically seen any of their activities personally myself, save for the occassional door sign identifying where they might be and I've been going to the cons since 96 (of course my motives of going to a con is probably different from the average con goer too).

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

I wouldn't be all that surprised if there was a picture of some furry raping a dismembered furry child's body while wearing it's skin and eating scat.

"Buffalo" Bill.

Hey, you leave my Buffalo Bills out of this. They'll win the Super Bowl some..oh, you're not talking about the football team are you?

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 218

At this point, the inmates are running the asylum. The worst case scenario is the norm in "mainstream" furry fandom. The only way the normal...er...normalISH fans will survive is probably by creating an entirely seperate fandom under a new banner. The word furry is now and forever tainted, and it's being driven deeper into the septic tank every day.

(Yeah I know, 3rd reply in one post).

The problem with that is, it's stupid to try to control something that has no true organization to control anyway. You can't control a 'fandom' because it's nothing that's organized. A convention is simply a meeting area for multiple different people, with only a theme drawing them together in one spot. You can go to a regular comic convention and run into a vast variety of people there for a number of different reasons.

Frankly, people are spending too much time trying to psychoanalyze all of this crap. If you're going anywhere then you should have some idea of why and what purpose you're going. If you want to go to collect furry comics you didn't have,then, that's what you go for. If it's to see the guest of honor, then that's what you go for. If it's to get screwed by some stranger in a mascot costume, then that's what you go for. But bottom line is, you're only going to really get what you go looking to get.

Me, I go for the cash and see out of country friends, thus, I don't run into the crazy after hours stuff, cause that's not what I'm into.

Can't speak for any of the west coast cons, because I've only been to East Coast ones, but I haven't seen anything really dramatic in public areas since 97 (and that was just some gay guys getting all close and personal, and as unPC as that may sound, yeah, seeing to guys tongue wrestle isn't on my to do list, but then, I don't want to see ANYBODY going at it in public areas).

AC is relatively safe I'd say. Heck, I went with my grandmother to one and my girlfriend is coming their with her mother, both being heavily Christian. So, you find what you wanna find. Call it being blind but, if I don't want to be around babyfurs, I'm not going to go looking for them, and if by chance I run into their door room sign, I'm going to quickly walk by it, not try to peek in, and totally forget I ever found it to begin with.