Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Anonymous · Posted: 6/15/2003 11:27:39 PM Post subject: Hmm...

I'm sure that all of you pretty much have your minds made up, but at least give the fandom a fair chance. I'm furry, and I have the profound ability to spell, not post ridiculously embarrassing drawings online, and generally interact normally with people. I just happen to like anthropomorphic animals, what can I say? It takes a lot of guts to associate onself with a fandom so frequently lampooned, and rightfully so.

But please, if you're going to make fun of the fandom, do it reasonably. Imagine if you got off on furry porn - it's not really a choice to have, it just turns you on. You can have restraint when it comes to social interaction, and using spell check responsible, and generally not embarrassing yourself. But what you find hot doesn't fall under that category.

The fandom doesn't eat people, it just provides a forum in which they can interact without the kind of harsh criticism that exists in the normal nerd world of PoE. If you're furry, and you don't want to be made fun of for the rest of eternity, it would behoove you to hang out with other furries. If you want to keep your furry friends, then try not to openly criticize what they truly enjoy.

There's plenty of really pathetic shit that goes on in fandom - the excessive dorkyness, the inability to talk with people, the lack of cleanliness, the plethora of inane vocabulary words invented - but it's not all inherently evil. Hell, you don't even have to give it a chance. Just don't give me shit because it turns me on - nobody should have to deal with that.

Anonymous · Posted: 6/16/2003 12:25:35 AM Post subject:

well as long as you do not draw cartoon furries that have sex with eachother especially pedophiles.. and non-humanoid furries(furries with no breasts especialy female), and draw tottaly clean art.. i would not mind about it.

just don't draw furry fetish..

yerf.com is what i'm talking about...

does anyone else find this site disturbing at all?? Because I don't..

Anonymous · Posted: 6/16/2003 5:13:11 AM Post subject:

well as long as you do not draw cartoon furries that have sex with eachother especially pedophiles.. and non-humanoid furries(furries with no breasts especialy female), and draw tottaly clean art.. i would not mind about it.

But what if I really want to see cartoon furries getting it on? I'm not asking you to like it, just to be tolerant of what other people like. And I'll tell you, I find those big breasted vixens to be pretty frightening, but I don't think it's fair to make fun of them, and I don't.

The New Meat · Posted: 6/16/2003 6:59:03 AM Post subject:

You make a good point that you can't help what turns you on. Fair enough. We've all got our little quirks. If you like to see giant-breasted foxes getting it on, that's your thing. If you want to share that with other like-minded people, that's fine, too. But realize that there's always a chance that some outsider will stumble across it and be prepared to take it in stride when they react negatively. There are a gazillion fetish communities across the internet and almost every one of them is going to get shit at one point or another. The difference is, most of them either don't care or don't show that they care. They know that they're kinky perverts and they're okay with it. Furries are the only one who throw constant hissy fits about this sort of thing and that's why we like making fun of them so much.

On a completely unrelated note, I feel like announcing that I had my birthday on Friday the 13th the other day. Bully for me!

Anonymous · Posted: 6/16/2003 7:44:32 AM Post subject:

They know that they're kinky perverts and they're okay with it. Furries are the only one who throw constant hissy fits about this sort of thing and that's why we like making fun of them so much.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that I'm a kinky pervert, but I don't know if furry alone should be enough to qualify for that. Most kinks and fetishes that come to mind play off of a situation or a specific item. For example, one could be into leather or fetishize shoes. But furrydom seems unique in that it doesn't really rely on reality at all. One can fetishize cartoons alone, but the fandom in its breadth and depth seems considerably complex. I think it might be more appropriate to qualify it as an orientation - there are people out there exclusively attracted to furry creatures, although I'm certainly not one of them.

Certainly it's deviant, but kinky and perverted? Is being gay kinky and perverted? Granted, now it's just a question of rhetoric, but of course, queers and furries alike don't want to be classified as perverted and merely kinky. I personally don't view either as such in and of itself, and neither one is exclusively sexual, especially furry. It's hard to say there's anything kinky about being a devout Christian who draws a comic strip about furry angels.

Regardless, happy birthday, and thanks for taking this seriously.

Blair · Posted: 6/16/2003 10:26:28 AM Post subject:

I'll say this.

"The Fandom contains some truly good,decent, halfway-ok folks who have interests outside of the Funny-Animal Spectrum that Don't involve Boinking Fido."

With that being said, I'm still enjoying the last SA post about a Furry Balloon Dragon/wolf...thing, which came out as making as much sense as
putting a boy scout troup into a room with the founding members of NAMBLA inside completely coked out.

As many cons as I've been to, i still remember when the hardcore Fetish people starting showing up, and i shudder to this very day, remembering the vivid image of a 35 year old MAN in a diaper with a piece of of what appeared to be braided Asshairs sticking out of the back of the diaper.

I ran to the hotel bar and promptly got drunk enough to forget that image for a few hours.

more to come.... :shock:

Genghis · Posted: 6/16/2003 2:40:28 PM Post subject:

Congratulations, you're sane. And believe me, when someone on SA, PoE or this forum utters the phrase "fucking furries", they're not referring to you or others with a similarly strong sense of non-fuckedupness.

Weird shit turns you on? Okay, cool. We don't really care. You like cartoons? Not a problem. Enjoy dressing up in costumes? Hell, I'm off to a fancy-dress-thing myself next weekend. Sure it's odd, but so's everyone else in this fucked-up world. If, on the other hand, you make a point of acting like your furriness makes you superior to everyone else, or refusing to drop the furry shit when dealing with people outside the fandom, or simply refusing to acknowledge that the outside world even exists, you can be damn sure we're going to laugh. If you're going to do stuff like draw tiny toons porn while insisting that nobody draw your own characters in "suggestive" situations, you're damn right we're going to call you on it. Otherwise, you're fine by us.

Computolio · Posted: 6/16/2003 7:23:33 PM Post subject:

Could someone (Mitch) PLEASE turn off the goddamn dirty word filter? If I hear "waste matter" just one more time, I'm going to totally blow a gasket here.

This isn't "Kiddy McKidlands messageborad of happy fun", NOR is it your typical furry's "messageboard where swearing and other HURTFUL, HURTFUL LANGUAGE *RUNS AWAY FOR SKRITCHES AND CRYING* ARE OUT but dickgirls are in". Bad word filters are just pointless and incredibly annoying.

-duncan

Repomancer · Posted: 6/17/2003 5:52:09 AM Post subject:

To Guest:

Not sure where you're coming from, here . . .

An appreciation of anthropomorphic cartoon animals, which you define "furryness" to be in your first post - although I can't really understand it, and it seems way to broad to be classified as a "fandom", but whatever - is one thing.

In your next post (and I'm assuming "Guest" is still the same person) you seem to be saying "but it's still OK if I like to see big-titted skunks getting it on". It's a little bit out of the ballpark to be calling it a "fandom" at that point. May we say "fetish"? Fine. Enjoy your fetishes, whatever they may be. Knock yourself out.

In your third post, you defend being "kinky and perverted". OK, FINE AGAIN, but please note that by this point you are openly admitting that it's a sexual fetish and not simply a clique of people who appreciate a certain art sub-sub-sub-genre.

Be as kinky as you want, but don't try to excuse it as "art". DEAR MR. POT: CALL THE KETTLE A SPADE IF YOU WISH, but quit trying to whitewash yourself.

Chuck Melville was a respondent in the previous version of this forum; he's a cartoonist, a very intelligent writer, and a long-time poster to alt.fan.furry. What you call "furry", he calls "funny animals" to avoid the stigma. Your principal approach to said "genre" is sexual, judging from your posts, but his is artistic. Sex is not the same thing as art. Please explain, we are keen to know.

CONNECT 2400

-r

Anonymous · Posted: 6/17/2003 7:18:58 AM Post subject:

Well, Repomancer, from my point of view, furrydom is broad in scope, and whether you call it a fandom, an illness, a way of life or a waste of time, it's difficult to deny its sheer breadth. It doesn't seem to do it justice to call it a fetish, regardless of whether or not there is sex present. Let's assume that you're a high school football hero and you like to fornicate with the head cheerleader. Is that a fetish? If you think that she's hot and take pictures of her, is that a fetish? I certainly don't think so. The prototypical fetish for me is gym socks. Let's say that I really like gym socks, to the extent that if I see some guy wearing gym socks, I instantly pop a hard-on. That's a fetish. A complex community of people built on an appreciation of 'funny animals' seems to be pretty distant from that. What if furry sex is just sex, except in a furry context? That alone makes it a fetish? I'm not saying it's not deviant, I just don't consider it a kinky fetish. Sorry if I'm repeating myself here a little bit.

I think you're also confusing me as the embodiment of the entire fandom, I'm certainly not. People are in it for myriad reasons, from art to mucking to costuming to were to sex and beyond. My own personal reasons are that something about the community as a whole feels right, and that embracing different levels of furriness, including the sexual one, does too. I was just trying to dissuade the use of sexual content of furrydom (big breasted skunk girls with two penises, etc. etc.) as material for jokes because I don't think it's reasonable to make fun of other people's sexuality. No, I don't like gay jokes, either.

What makes me a kinky pervert is more obscure, but let's just say that roughly half of those Portal of Evil fetish links really turn me on. I don't want to be ashamed of that (of course, I am anyway), but I certainly accept its inherent kinky pervert-ness. I just don't think furry falls into that category.

For the record, I never mentioned art, nor have I ever tried to excuse pornography as art. It's meant to get me hard, it's porn. That's not to say that art is not present as well, but to say that they cannot both coexist in the same grouping seems a bit closed minded, don't you think? Moreover, there is plenty of furry fetish out there, and there's plenty of vanilla furry porn, too. I sure as shinola wouldn't put the two in the same box if I were trying to organize it.

There really are people who aren't in furry just for sex, or for sex at all, for that matter. How do you reconcile this with the notion that furry is a fetish? Fetish implies strictly sexual, furry certainly is not.

To clarify further, I said that I like anthropomorphic animals; I didn't define furrydom as appreciation of anthropomorphic cartoon animals. As subtle as it might seem, that doesn't seem accurate to me. Plenty of furries don't like cartoons at all. Everyone kind of has their own idea of what furry means to them, there isn't always a unifying thread, except, dare I say, an appreciation at some level for anthropomorphic animals, and a self-association with furrydom.

Maybe it would behoove me to register if I'm going to keep posting...

Rusty · Posted: 6/17/2003 10:22:27 PM Post subject:

fet·ish also fet·ich ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ftsh, ftsh)
n.
An object that is believed to have magical or spiritual powers, especially such an object associated with animistic or shamanistic religious practices.
An object of unreasonably excessive attention or reverence: made a fetish of punctuality.
Something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification.
An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation.

IMO, liking 'two big breasted skunks getting it on' is not a fetish, it is simply liking seeing two big breasted women 'getting it on' with the fur and tails added in. It's basically porn, but I woulden't go so far as to call it a fetish.

Personally, I like furry animals, but I prefer the 'clean' stuff (which is why I generally only really visit yerf). I like them because I think their cute and that your sort of getting the best of both worlds (ie animal characteristics you admire but with human intelligence etc) What is so wrong with that? Just because I might (for example) think a raccoon lady is cute and a part of me wishes she was real doesen't make me a fetishist (sp?), not in my opinion at least.

I just like the species and find the merging of them and humanity facinating, that's all, nothing more. Noticing how if you were to give me human characteristics that would be considered attractive (to humans at least) such a breasts, a curvacious figure and suddenly it's a fetish. I disagree, your giving her HUMAN characteristics that as a human I would find attractive. IMO, that doesen't make me a fetishist.

Last night I coulden't sleep and found myself thinking of why some 'furries' think that there better then humans. I think I have a possible explantion.

There are some people (actually a lot of people) that feel that as part of technical progress that we are losing a part of us. That part is our animal nature. IMO, we are in many ways little diffrent from animals. Sure we have the intelligence and opposable thumbs etc but really, take away our technology and other convienences to the point where we are esentually 'wild' and we are basically just an animal, albiet an inteligent one. I can see why some people feel that we are in denial about this, especailly when we call animals 'lower life forms' and call ourselves superior etc

In many ways, we see animal characteristics such as excellent hearing, teeth and/or claws so powerfull that they can tear raw flesh or kill with a single bite, fur so thick that they can be comfortable in even -20 degrees with a -40 windchill etc etc (oviously not animals have all these, just giving some examples) and feel weak physically.

A lot of people feel that technology etc is making us weaker and weaker. Lets face it, most of woulden't last a week 'in the wild' and we know it.

As for where I'm going with this? For some people at least who are 'into' furry, i think that by giving their characters animal characteristics that they in some ways are allowing them to still be animals yet have enough humanity left in them to still live a (mostly) human lifestyle. This way, they feel that they arn't in denial about their true nature but are still able to be what they see as 'civilized'.

The sexual side seems to stem from the belief that all animals are sex maniacs who do nothing but 'yiff yiff yiff' all day. In reality, animals don't act like that. Well, maybe durring mating season they do (for animals that have a mating season at least, rather then 'cycling' throughout the year) but for animals that have a mating season, the males arn't interested in sex when the females arn't going into heat. Afterall, why waste so much energy trying to have sex and get a mate when she's not going to be receptive?

But I think that's a big part of it, furries see 'anthro' animals as being better then humanity because they see them as not being in denial over being an animal and having appealing animal charactreristics that at least some people wish they had.

The problem with the sexual stuff lies most in misconceptions over animal mating behavior and 'cycles'.

Well,t hat's my 2 cents. Thanks for listening.

Anonymous

I always thought this website was based on molesting the 'bad' side of the Furry Fandom - and while MANY Fandoms have incredibely annoying members, Furry is probably the most interesting because unlike most the others, it embraces such an enormous scope of things ranging from childhood memories to hardcore fetishes to interesting psychological situations.

Rusty's points were seen in an earlier Forum conversation in which I questioned how Furries abused their beliefs on how the animal kingdom/ecosystem functioned, taking advantage of the seemingly free sexual and 'deviant' behaviours of animals when in truth there is a fairly stable process to the whole thing.

I might lose myself in the post so I apologize if I go off topic x.x

Honestly, I don't mind the sexual part of Furrydom. If I was so biased against that, it'd be hypocritical. I don't have to -LIKE- it but it's not necessarily 'wrong' for someone to enjoy such things. It'd also be wrong to tell people not to do something, particularly if it wasn't really hurting anyone (physically, at least).

I think a number of people in this Forum are tolerant enough, they're just as baffled by the confused deviancy that Furrydom inviteably ends up representing. It's impossible to ask people not to associate certain things with it - this is because stereotypes exist for a reason, unfortunately.

It'd also be impossible to compare being gay with being Furry - I'm sure many Furries would disagree, AND those who don't believe in this or that genetics - but theorizing that one can be born homosexual, I'm quite sure one is not born having a natural like for animalistic humanoids.

Being gay is a sexuality - being Furry is a lifestyle, a fetish, a fandom, etc etc. Again, people can and will disagree, as Guest mentioned that there are individuals who are attracted solely to anthromorphic creatures. However, that may simply be a more complex, deep form of fetish rather than a 'true' sexuality.

Living in a world where everyone has their say makes things infinitely more complex, needlessely.

Furrydom also does rely on reality - even 'alien' Furries are based on a kind of animal that we as people have an experience, a memory, with. Furries are, essentially, 'half-man'. The unreality comes from extreme depictions, such as voraphelia, macro/micro, enormous multiple genitalia, etc. Of course because the Furries are just as easily manipulated as other drawings or forms of media, they can be fitted into any 'human' fetish such as leather, bondage, etc.

Of course, much of the claimed 'art' is not art done by artists - the worse is just used incredibely loosely in the English language. Porn is porn, and even if it's a beautifully well-made porno, or pictures depicting a naked woman who's obviously sexual but natural (not natural nudity, which is just.. being naked), it's meant for some form of arousal.

Naturally, there are good people. I'm not saying the 'Good Furries' have to be clean, slender well-meaning citizens with the utmost respect for the near unlimited synchronization of man and beast, there are simply just good people. However, Furrydom has managed to incorporate a ghastly number of really unpleasant people - this is a side-effect from being such a broad spectrum of a society.

Nobody becomes a Star Trek goonie for the chicks. Nobody becomes a Star Wars junkie for the sex. They're in it because they're hardcore funny dorks, sometimes annoying, sometimes poorly nourished but there's a common goal, more or less. Aaand more often than not they'd probably rather wage an intergalactic war than be scritched on the back.

Furry Fandom, on the other hand, has an ambiguous 'goal' for an obvious reason and is very, very easily abused. I think for the exact reason that virtually anyone can join for any endless reason, a lot of the scum ends up floating on the pond of fandom. People notice that loud, dirty, grimy, unpleasant scum a lot earlier than they might see the beautiful life that might be thriving underneath, and so toss in a crapload of chlorine that unwittingly harms the rest of the pond community. Cornily metaphoric, the underlife and scum somehow took part in producing each other, although only the innocent little fishes are the ones being suffocated.

It might be kind of retarded, but I find a difference between 'anthro drawring' and 'furry drawring'. But of course, we're so used to animal-people being 'Furry' we group all animal-people into that.

What would define a 'real' Furry? There's just way too many answers for that one, and it's probably just as pointless as this post.

DA · Posted: 6/18/2003 6:33:58 PM Post subject:

Furry gets so lampooned because the people who get made fun of make a huge fuss about it, if they just ignored the criticism then people would get tired of it but they just make it more entertaining when they screech what horrible meanies we are for not recognising what speshal cupcakes they are for their ten billion 'spirit animals' and horrendous 'l33t art'

I ignore anybody who calls me a freak for being furry and so far the only trouble I've had has been from the ones who want to be speshal cupcakes for not respecting them like they seem to believe they should be respected.

Rusty · Posted: 6/18/2003 10:16:06 PM Post subject:

Furry gets so lampooned because the people who get made fun of make a huge fuss about it, if they just ignored the criticism then people would get tired of it but they just make it more entertaining when they screech what horrible meanies we are for not recognising what speshal cupcakes they are for their ten billion 'spirit animals' and horrendous 'l33t art'
.

Question, l33t is hax0r speak for 'elite' right?

What does 1337 stand for? That's another one I've seen before.

Anyway, so what your bascially saying is that, if furries accepted that people who 'arn't into' it are going to make fun of and critise it (especially the more extreme fetish stuff) and simply ignored it and/or allowed the people to rant and showed indiffrence to it or flat out ignored it then there woulden't be the problem.

Is that what your saying?

Genghis · Posted: 6/18/2003 10:32:57 PM Post subject:

Question, l33t is hax0r speak for 'elite' right?

What does 1337 stand for? That's another one I've seen before.

They both mean "elite". Hackers and their wily ways...

Anyway, so what your bascially saying is that, if furries accepted that people who 'arn't into' it are going to make fun of and critise it (especially the more extreme fetish stuff) and simply ignored it and/or allowed the people to rant and showed indiffrence to it or flat out ignored it then there woulden't be the problem.

Is that what your saying?

Pretty much. The advice that is given to any schoolkid on the receiving end of a verbal asshipping from their peers is "If you ignore them, maybe they'll go away". It's just as true on the internet. Of course, their overblown reaction to the "fursecution" is only a part of what makes certain members funny...

Inazuma · Posted: 6/18/2003 10:47:50 PM Post subject: It COULD - but not soon enough.

Of course, ignoring something never exactly made it go away - that seems to depend on how harsh (or doggedly willing) the making-funners are.

Even if the targets of our criticism were to ignore ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING with an amazing force of will, IF they went on with the aspects of their fandom that are unappealing to other people, it'll still be made fun of.

Many criticisers are just as guilty anyway, fighting back if something THEY like is bashed upon, and so forth.

Personally I'm only in this not to bash but to explore the whole mess, I actually have Furry-orientated friends who aren't.. well, the scum of the crop. It isn't good to be THAT biased, then it's just pig-headed!

Rusty · Posted: 6/18/2003 11:12:52 PM Post subject:

Pretty much. The advice that is given to any schoolkid on the receiving end of a verbal asshipping from their peers is "If you ignore them, maybe they'll go away". It's just as true on the internet. Of course, their overblown reaction to the "fursecution" is only a part of what makes certain members funny...

[enter 'story from my life' anecdote mode>

Durring my school years, I was one of these ones that always got picked on. Looking back, I now see why I was.

Sadly, I would often overreact to it and 'freak out', which would just give them even more 'material' to 'tease' me with. I know, BIG mistake. It wasen't till arround grade 11 that they started letting up on me. I'm not sure why exactly, I think part of it was that I simply started showing indiffrence and stopped giving them material in the year or so before, so they simply ran out of stuff to make fun of me about (afterall, joking about the same things wears thin after a while).

Anyway, my point is that, when I stopped freaking out and starting simply letting it 'slide off' and let them do their thing and didn't react to it, they probably realised that I 'wasen't any fun' anymore and woulden't play in their little game anymore and 'moved on' (although a lot of 'made fun of' people seems to have it stop in that year, maybe the people doing the making fun simply outgrew it, I dunno)

[exit 'story from my life' anecdote mode>

Anyway, the point of my little story was that, as long as I kept reacting, I kept giving them 'material' to tease me with. I did often find that if I reacted with indiffrence or even laughed at it that they were in shock, so much in shock that they stopped.

(ie I walk in, they say "Hello loser" , instead of getting upset saying "Hey (guys name) what's up?" , he'd be so shocked from my almost completly indiffrent responce that he'd laugh with me instead of at me and would start talking to me like a normal person istead of teasing me)

So, if furries simply took this route and started ignoring people that make fun of them and/or simply laughed at their foybles (sp?) and such and acknoledged that their messed up and laughed about it and talked to them like a person (ie, no 'furspeak') then people would leave them alone and either find someone else to bug or stop bugging people?

Genghis · Posted: 6/18/2003 11:39:33 PM Post subject:

So, if furries simply took this route and started ignoring people that make fun of them and/or simply laughed at their foybles (sp?) and such and acknoledged that their messed up and laughed about it and talked to them like a person (ie, no 'furspeak') then people would leave them alone and either find someone else to bug or stop bugging people?

Exactamundo. Unless, as Inazuma said, the people doing the mocking are unhinged themselves (or the furry in question is of a particularly "holy shit" nature, such as Falk or Schwartz). Take the PoE forums, for example - if a site owner shows up and starts screaming at the denizens for being mean haters, you can bet that forum will swiftly grow at an exponential rate as the inevitable flamewar kicks off, thereby causing other lurkers and regulars to be attracted to the discussion like sharks to blood. If the site owner reacts by posting about the "meanies" in their livejournal or whatever, it will have a similar effect. If, on the other hand, the owner of the site being featured ignores PoE entirely, the forum will drop into obscurity in a matter of days. Those that show up just to have a casual chat, acknowledge their weirdness and engage in friendly discussion are generally held up an example to all other featured webmasters.

Of course, if one of the site's readers is bitching us out, and the webmaster intervenes to tell them to shut the hell up and grow a skin, we're talking instant legendary status right there.

Computolio · Posted: 6/19/2003 1:15:31 AM Post subject:

I guess we have to have an "official policy on how we deal with furries personally" thread every time the forum gets rebuilt here. Thing is, we all know the real deal re: THE FURZ, and it shouldn't be too hard to tell when we're making comedic overgeneralizations or just being upset in the name of funny.

I mean, every site that's done a hentai review paints Japan as an island of perverts that needs another nuke or two. Are they serious? No. Do they really care who gets off to the doujinshi in question? Also no. Do they have anything against the people who are jerking it to the less unconventional cartoon porn? Hell, those people are laughing at said hypopathetical review just as hard as anyone else.

-duncan

Repomancer · Posted: 6/19/2003 1:55:07 AM Post subject: To "Guest":

Will you fricken REGISTER ALREADY? Now then: My point was that you decry all the furry stereotypes, while fitting all of them. Your arguments (in order posted, and admittedly exaggerated):

1) Why do you call us perverts? Furry is simply an appreciation of anthropomorphic animal art.
2) So what if I fap it to cartoon animal porn? It's simply an appreciation of anthropomorphic animal art.
3) So what if I enjoy gay fursuit orgies at furry conventions? It's simply an appreciation of anthropomorphic animal art.
4) Most "furries" are people who simply appreciate anthropomorphic animal art. Sure, I'm a little extreme. Why do you lump the rest of them in with perverts like me?

My answer: Because all of you say exactly the same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Counterexamples welcomed.

-r

Blair · Posted: 6/19/2003 3:37:58 AM Post subject:

Good christ, If its not the furries, its the trekkies, its the starwars nuts.

For fucks sake, there will always be extreme sides to groups who fall under a common cause.

For Every 100 Peaceful Anti-Abortion Advocates theres 10 nutbags who
paint them all with the same blood.

For every 1000 christians who worship in peace and respect others,
theres 100-200 who piss on anyone who isn't godly enough for them
and makes the rest look like a bunch of puppy-punching bastards.

Its the same for fandoms.

We make fun of the nutbag parts of the groups because IT IS that funny.
And if its cruel, so what? its a cruel world. Boo fucking hoo. :evil:

Inazuma · Posted: 6/19/2003 4:04:37 AM Post subject: Nutbags!

Of course! :3

But the remainder outside of the nuts end up feeling persecuted as well, I guess because every time someone makes a criticism we don't take the time to make a five-minute speech explaining this only has to do with so and so and such and such types of people in this particular group and/or fandom and/or lifestyle - this in turn deserves a little kick in the ass, in my opinion.

It's like that Taco Bell dog. Why do you have to associate yourself to that?

discojesus · Posted: 6/19/2003 4:14:23 AM Post subject: ...

Here I am, an ex-guest, presently registered.

Repomancer, I don't know where you're getting these arguments of mine, but they barely resemble anything I've said on this board. I could go through once more and tell you exactly what I did say, but it seems like that would be a waste of my time.

Oh, to hell with it. I didn't talk about art, ever. I never tried to make any "furry is" statements, other than to say that it's different for everyone. I admitted that furry sex is deviant, and I think I presented a pretty strong argument that it's not a fetish. As for 'perverted', that all depends on your point of view.

My central point, way back when, is that I don't think it's fair to chide furries for liking what they do, especially with respect to sex. I guess I overestimated my own persuasive abilities along with your own powers of reasoning when it comes to posting here, because it seems like thing that will satisfy you is me saying "damn, furries are all just a bunch of perverts." I'm not trying to excuse sex and pornography, I just don't think it's fair to be made fun of because what I get off on is taboo. I mean, what are my options here? I can either abstain from engaging in this deviant culture, or I can do my best to go with it and try and convince people not to make fun of it. I've done my best to be lucid and logical, but it seems the overwhelming power of large-breasted skunks having sex has won yet again.

None of my friends are furs, I don't MUCK, I don't have a furry persona, I don't post furry art online, I don't post to alt.fan.furry, I don't have a 'spirit animal', I don't try to live my life from an animal standpoint. I've never tried to kill myself, I had friends in high school, I bathe regularly enough, I can hold a conversation about something other than furrydom, I don't disdain humans. But I am horny, and apparently, that's the only stereotype that matters.

I don't even want this to get personal - it's so completely and utterly not about me. It's just a general principle I was hoping to sell, and clearly did a heinous job thereof. I guess that means it's high time to move on, prepare myself to be laughed at for the rest of my life, and make friends with people who don't think it's particularly funny.

Change Spelling Bee to "Getting Laughed At"

Anonymous · Posted: 6/19/2003 4:21:27 AM Post subject:

not only Somethingawful and PoE bashed the furries but pennyarcade, pvp online, and some other television station were bashing them as well.. I saw videos of them.

Blair · Posted: 6/19/2003 4:24:24 AM Post subject:

Maybe my situation is unique.

I drew funny animal comics long before i heard about "furries"
Most of the people I know in the comicbook community still call it
"funny animal".

But the shit I dont like is when I get called a Dogfucker by members
of that same community because a bunch of Perverted animal Abusing
fucktards decide they should identify with the Anthro community and bring
their perversions with them.
And its not just the ones who're into beastiality, its the pedofurs, the babyfurs, the leathertribes,the plushophiles.

I mean, we've got a virtual book of fetish mongers out in the open,
and oh look, they're doing this AND enjoying the Anthro communities open arms!!

:roll:

Anonymous · Posted: 6/19/2003 5:32:29 PM Post subject: Re: ...

I can either abstain from engaging in this deviant culture, or I can do my best to go with it and try and convince people not to make fun of it.

What about the "Don't broach the topic with strangers and/or polite company" option? From your own description, there's no way in hell that anyone in real life would be able to tell that you're anything but a normal teenager. If you get teased about it for the rest of your life, it's because you make it common knowledge.

Anonymous · Posted: 7/5/2003 8:45:35 AM Post subject: *vicious grin*

Okay, I'm sorry.. but no way in hell am I going to respect the self proclaimed 'lifestyler' for trying to pay homage to the carnivorous and feral aspect of his wolf self by eating a raw T-bone.

NEWSFLASH BUDDY! That meat is two weeks old by the time it hits shelves. The red stuff in it? Dye, not blood. You aren't a carnivore, your a scavenger. Tsk tsk. :P

Why should I not pick on the self riteous idealist fur? The one who thinks world peace would break out spontaneously if everyone were to suddenly become their 'animal within'? Reality check, the animal kingdom is much harsher than the human one, and if you think replacing mixed races with mixed species is going to solve all the worlds problems.. wooh boy. :roll:

Dont get me wrong, I'm about as accepting as they come. I dont care if someone likes anthromorphic art, yiffy pr0n, wearing a fursuit.. or even having sex in one. But when you devote your lifestyle to your fursona, bombard norms with your furryisms, and refer to those who view things differently than you as mundanes (which could be construed as derogatory.. way to invite flamage) for not understanding what you do and why you do it; you're throwing the floodgates wide open on the issue.

Yeah, there are a few cool furs out there, some of them are the reason I haven't just dropped it all like a bad habit. But theres a ton more that are just batshit nuts. And by nuts I mean the whole fricken mental illness rainbow.

On a sidenote, you guys should see how the guys on Furnet who founded the SAFurs channel are faring. Its ironically amusing, really. The average fur cries out about being persecuted for the sub culture they ascribe to.. and yet persecutes those within it for being fans of a certain infamous website? Gimme a break.

I've got plenty of other things to say, but I think they've been covered by previous posters on here pretty well.

*Still trying to figure out if being creeped out by all the hugging and scritching and sexual advances from absolute strangers he met at his first furmeet means he wasn't hugged enough as a child.*