Crush...Yiff...Destroy! Crush...Yiff...Destroy!
The CYD Forum Archive
 

Wikipedia on Furry
   Crush...Yiff...Destroy! Forum Archive Index -> Chit Chat
Author Message
Mitch
Vociferator
Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Posts: 658

Posted: 4/2/2005 1:50:14 PM     Post subject: Wikipedia on Furry  

I noticed a spate of people linking from the Wikipedia article on Furry, which lists CYD in the External Links as "Criticism of the furry fandom". It's a pretty good article, but the real fun is in its talk page:

I personally think Wikipedia is the only truly neutral article on furries on the Internet. I added the link to Crush, Yiff, Destroy! because it does attempt to be a factual resource, albeit a very POV one; however, the rest of the sites are themselves POV from the other direction. I think that adding CYD makes the article more NPOV*?right now, we have four pro-furry sites and one critical site. At the very least, I think that shii's essay should be re-added.

And of course:
Crush Yiff Destroy is a website notorious for spreading misinformation and calumny about furry fandom. Using them as a resource is dubious at best.

OMG SLANDER
Most all of the Mark Merlino article on Crush Yiff Destroy is both bullshit and slander. I can't imagine how it could even be cited as a real source of information
...
I suggest not using "Crush Yiff Destroy" as a source of actual information as it is just a slander board that never turns down a good nasty story

And best of all, Calbeck once more demonstrates why we need to add a "THIS IS NOT SERIOUS, PEOPLE" banner to certain articles:
Regarding CYD: it was founded by people who have a very personal grudge against certain persons in the fandom, and the site is heavily used to advance those grudges. For example, CYD attacks artist Mitchell Beiro for his faux marriage to Minerva Mink at one ConFurence.

CYD treats the entire event as though it had been deadly serious.




* NPOV = Neutral Point of View
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Banrai
Vociferator
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 560

Posted: 4/2/2005 2:54:40 PM     Post subject:  

Mitch, can I LOLerskate with you?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dogthing
Vociferator
Joined: 26 Oct 2003
Posts: 700

Posted: 4/2/2005 3:28:59 PM     Post subject:  

SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO SENSE OF CYNICISM

TELL ME RIGHT FUCKING NOW
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MonicaKitty
Vociferator
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 663

Posted: 4/2/2005 4:35:40 PM     Post subject:  

Calbeck wrote:
CYD treats the entire event as though it had been deadly serious.


LOL How can anyone look at this site and use the words "Deadly Serious" That's like going to fucking Seanbaby.com and being critical of it's " moving and well-researched social commentary and political nuance"

What they're really saying is "OMG! Don't fursecuit us by refusing to allow us a monopoly on information! Only our lies are teh true!!!" It's really amazing that a fandom who's freaks are loud, proud, and running the show, refuses to hide its blemishes...but doesn't want non furries discusssing them either. That being the case, I really have to wonder if George Bush is actually a furry. =)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr. Dos
Vociferator
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 718

Posted: 4/2/2005 5:02:54 PM     Post subject:  

Wabbit is peace. Yiff is strength. Furpile is slavery.

All hail Big Badger!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
m_estrugo
Vociferator
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 534

Posted: 4/2/2005 5:05:08 PM     Post subject:  


Now that's a cute avatar. Did you draw it yourself?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr. Dos
Vociferator
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 718

Posted: 4/2/2005 5:43:10 PM     Post subject:  

I wish.

http://napalmthecat.deviantart.com/ Nadir did.
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/nadir

he hates when I link people to his stuff BUT THAT'S TOO BAD FOR YOU NADIR. Also he stalks these forums and is the reason I'm here. He is a hero to the people. His Frost comic (pageX.jpg) is pretty neat if just a bit over uh shaded.

He does some damn mean ANSI art in ZZT.
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/mtp/awards/frost13-2.gif
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/mtp/awards/frost14-2.gif
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/mtp/awards/frost16-2.gif
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/mtp/awards/frost17-2.gif
http://zzt.the-underdogs.org/mtp/awards/mrwaif6-2.gif

Nadir quit stalking and hit the damn register button.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
weird_guy_in_the_corner
Vociferator
Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 708

Posted: 4/2/2005 6:29:38 PM     Post subject:  

These people need to know the difference between slander and libel goddammit.

Slander: An oral statement that is injurious to a person's reputation.

Libel: A written statement that is injurious to a person's reputation.

So any malicious articles here would be classified as libel, not slander.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chris Baird
Prattler
Joined: 04 Aug 2003
Posts: 140

Posted: 4/2/2005 9:59:34 PM     Post subject:  

The Wiki article actually used to pretty good-- I know, because I wrote it back into NPOV and had it stuck for about a year. Then Freakpony made it his mission to erode it down to something he thinks is politically correct...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mouse
Needs to get out more
Joined: 13 Jul 2003
Posts: 1192

Posted: 4/2/2005 10:17:46 PM     Post subject:  

The Wiki article actually used to pretty good-- I know, because I wrote it back into NPOV and had it stuck for about a year. Then Freakpony made it his mission to erode it down to something he thinks is politically correct...


What an ass. I dont quite remember it from a year ago.. all I notice now is that it is much much longer

its definately something that should be "just the facts, ma'am"


But then judging by the talk thread, I'm fairly confident that the people at Wiki are serious and have enough sense not to go too far either way. Its definatly a valueble resource (wiki) that should contaminated with individual politics and opinions ... If there is that much debate it should be made shorter and more vague.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Stoneth
Needs to get out more
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 1225

Posted: 4/3/2005 12:17:32 AM     Post subject: Re: Wikipedia on Furry  

Crush Yiff Destroy is a website notorious for spreading misinformation and calumny about furry fandom. Using them as a resource is dubious at best.

And I suppose you're a better resource, Mr. Squeeky Pony?

Mundane: What is this furry that I hear so much about anyway?
Xydexx: Well, would you like to see my collection of inflatable animals? They're quite fun.
Mundane: That's fucked up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AngryPuritan
Needs to get out more
Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 1361

Posted: 4/3/2005 12:21:57 AM     Post subject:  

Libel, Jesus H. Christ typed or written shit IS LIBEL!

Xydexx really needs to get his head out of his ass. A link to shitting beanie babies is not misinformation, it's the voice of freedom.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr. Dos
Vociferator
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Posts: 718

Posted: 4/3/2005 12:34:27 AM     Post subject:  

oh god stoneth's avatar caused my eyes to boil.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mouse
Needs to get out more
Joined: 13 Jul 2003
Posts: 1192

Posted: 4/3/2005 12:36:08 AM     Post subject:  

Libel, Jesus H. Christ typed or written shit IS LIBEL!

Xydexx really needs to get his head out of his ass. A link to shitting beanie babies is not misinformation, it's the voice of freedom.




CAN I GET A HELL YEAH ?!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RailFoxen
Vociferator
Joined: 01 Jan 2005
Posts: 625

Posted: 4/3/2005 2:19:50 AM     Post subject:  

Slander. Libel. Really. unci's on his 'we don't need to talk about sexuality' kick, which is admirable but rather blind considering this is an encyclopedia entry about a culture that's half fetish.

I agree with unci and don't see a need to focus on sexuality; lots of furry fans are into geocaching and urban exploration, too, but that doesn't mean they need their own sections as well. Furry fandom is about anthropomorphic animals; an accurate article should focus on that.

If half the fandom wasn't about anthropomorphic animals having sex, neither CYD nor VCL nor Tapestries would exist. 'Nuff said.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MonicaKitty
Vociferator
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 663

Posted: 4/3/2005 2:40:05 PM     Post subject:  

If half the fandom wasn't about anthropomorphic animals having sex, neither CYD nor VCL nor Tapestries would exist. 'Nuff said.


If half the fandom wasn't about furry porn (And let's face it, we're probably talking way more than half), the FANDOM probably wouldn't exist. What's left would be a handfull of anthropomorphic collectors attached to general sci-fi and cartoon fandoms.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Goofy
Vociferator
Joined: 18 Mar 2005
Posts: 311

Posted: 4/3/2005 3:13:03 PM     Post subject:  

I agree with unci and don't see a need to focus on sexuality; lots of furry fans are into geocaching and urban exploration, too, but that doesn't mean they need their own sections as well. Furry fandom is about anthropomorphic animals; an accurate article should focus on that.


SAYS THE GUY WHO FUCKS POOL TOYS!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gargoyle
Vociferator
Joined: 04 Sep 2004
Posts: 455

Posted: 4/4/2005 5:18:39 AM     Post subject:  

I like an Urbandictionary definitions of KAK... Our friend Kimmy took a truly awesome word for a nickname.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Paul
Needs to get out more
Joined: 01 Feb 2004
Posts: 1092

Posted: 4/4/2005 2:13:05 PM     Post subject:  

I like an Urbandictionary definitions of KAK... Our friend Kimmy took a truly awesome word for a nickname.

I'm willing to bet that half of those definitions are inspired by her. :wink:
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
LSH
Apocrisiary
Joined: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 49

Posted: 4/5/2005 7:57:14 PM     Post subject:  

methinks people take "Crush! Yiff! Destroy!!!" literally.
if that was the case, I would never have bothered to return after that first visit, were I learned just how Y~ up a rabbit hole furry is.
for those of you just tuning in, my position can be summed up as:
furry is an adjective, not a noun.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MonicaKitty
Vociferator
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 663

Posted: 4/6/2005 9:39:08 AM     Post subject:  

I like an Urbandictionary definitions of KAK... Our friend Kimmy took a truly awesome word for a nickname.

I'm willing to bet that half of those definitions are inspired by her. :wink:


I like the actual entry for her-
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kimmaugh&r=d

Wow, Kimmaugh sure knows all the dirty words.

Truly...tis a pity she can't spell them.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dr. Mojo
Vociferator
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 399

Posted: 4/7/2005 10:05:25 PM     Post subject:  

She also claims to be an animator at LMU.


If by LMU she means "Large Morons University."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Computolio
Needs to get out more
Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Posts: 865

Posted: 4/7/2005 10:27:50 PM     Post subject:  

methinks people take "Crush! Yiff! Destroy!!!" literally.
if that was the case, I would never have bothered to return after that first visit, were I learned just how Y~ up a rabbit hole furry is.
for those of you just tuning in, my position can be summed up as:
furry is an adjective, not a noun.


what
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Stoneth
Needs to get out more
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 1225

Posted: 4/7/2005 10:37:54 PM     Post subject:  

my position can be summed up as:
furry is an adjective, not a noun.

I donít care what they say
I donít care care what ya heard
The word luv, luv is a verb.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mitch
Vociferator
Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Posts: 658

Posted: 5/5/2005 12:09:19 PM     Post subject:  

I know, I know, it's an old thread, but looky here:

Actually, we have been very diligent in ensuring this article remains NPOV. I think it's no secret that this article has been targeted for vandalism by groups like Crush Yiff Destroy, Something Awful, and Eat All Furries, who no doubt would like to see such the sort of "facts" you've provided incorporated into this article. Your POV assertation that there are a "disturbingly large number" of weirdos/crazies visible in furry fandom wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that those sites deliberately seek them out, would it?

Extra fun derives from the fact that Eat All Furries of course is dead and gone and has been for months.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Stoneth
Needs to get out more
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 1225

Posted: 5/5/2005 5:14:54 PM     Post subject:  

I find it highly ironic that Mr. Squeakypony is criticizing Krishva for feeling that the high visibility of weirdos is relavent to mention about the furry fandom. This coming from a man who buggers pool toys and whose fursona is an inflatable rubber unicorn.

Furthermore he continues to lump this site, that one dead site and that other site run by Rich Kyanka as all anti-teh-furre. Fifteen million points from Squeakendore!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
creature
Vociferator
Joined: 06 Nov 2003
Posts: 520

Posted: 5/5/2005 6:08:00 PM     Post subject:  


Extra fun derives from the fact that Eat All Furries of course is dead and gone and has been for months.


And the world is a better place for it.

Anyway, I can see, in some ways where Xydexx is coming from. I seriously wish the article didn't have to include the sexual side of the fandom, but in order to give a true "big picture" overview of the fandom it has to. There are maybe four real aspects of the fandom that don't get over powered by something else. Art, fursuiting, role playing, and the sexuality. And you can make a real argument that the two overriding themes in the furry fandom is anthropomorphics and sexuality.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
AngryPuritan
Needs to get out more
Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 1361

Posted: 5/5/2005 7:21:51 PM     Post subject:  

Anyway, I can see, in some ways where Xydexx is coming from. I seriously wish the article didn't have to include the sexual side of the fandom, but in order to give a true "big picture" overview of the fandom it has to.


Furries wanting their cake an eating it too with their own definition? Furries can either have a truthful entry or one that looks good, but both are not possible, even with the spin doctors available to the fandom.

I agree with unci and don't see a need to focus on sexuality


Says he who fucks balloon reindeer.

I personally think Wikipedia is the only truly neutral article on furries on the Internet. I added the link to Crush, Yiff, Destroy! because it does attempt to be a factual resource, albeit a very POV one; however, the rest of the sites are themselves POV from the other direction. I think that adding CYD makes the article more NPOV?right now, we have four pro-furry sites and one critical site. At the very least, I think that shii's essay should be re-added.


THANK YOU!

Crush Yiff Destroy is a website notorious for spreading misinformation and calumny about furry fandom.


Frontpage this, please! :)

Most all of the Mark Merlino article on Crush Yiff Destroy is both bullshit and slander.


LIBEL LIBEL LIBEL LIBEL LIBEL LIBEL! Go back to Junior high!

Overall, very amusing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message