Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

"Look at us, we're beautiful..."

(Quicktime, 4mb download)

Okay yeah.. I thought the 'girl' rabbit was cute :oops:

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Moby! NO!!!!!

I can hear the teeming furry masses masturbating to this right now...

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

That should also make a good companion piece to the DJ Format video.

Charlie 2NA... and now Moby? Is this a sealife thing??

Also, does anyone else remember the Stone Temple Pilots video Sour Girl (available here), featuring Sarah Michelle Geller and some of the scariest looking animal costumes this side of Donny Darko?

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Venter Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 258

That was the funniest video I have ever seen.

Dormin · Qualificator Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 23

That should also make a good companion piece to the DJ Format video.

Charlie 2NA... and now Moby? Is this a sealife thing??

Also, does anyone else remember the Stone Temple Pilots video Sour Girl (available here), featuring Sarah Michelle Geller and some of the scariest looking animal costumes this side of Donny Darko?

Oy, I remember that video. Can't for the life of me remember the song (I keep hearing "No Way Out" for some reason)

Speaking of unsettling costumes, ever see that AFI video for "Grayest Skies" or whatever it was called? That anime girl costume creeped the bejesus out of me.

21st Century Digital Boy · Prattler Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 131

GWAR's Fucking An Animal is, was and always will be the ony good "furry" music video ever made.

And by "furry" I mean they rape fursuiters in it.

doubtingwolf · Rasophore Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 57

Okay yeah.. I thought the 'girl' rabbit was cute :oops:

You'd think her much cuter if she had an eighteen inch lupine strap-on!

I *don't* doubt that! =)

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Moby's sucked. Moby always has sucked, Moby always will suck, and Moby will always be an idiot. (Anyone read his blog? Christ, the man should have choked on his fingers by now or something.)

Apple's site won't work with my version of QuickTime. RollingStone.com won't work with my version of Real. AOL Music wants to install AOL. MTV and VH1 want me to install DRM shit for 'protection'. Launch doesn't have it. Yet the first hit for 'Fucking An Animal' played beautifully. Fuck Moby.

Edit: Found here for those who don't want to suck corporate dick to watch people in clown suits jump around. Moby still has such a way with words. 'Come on baby. Come on girl. Come on baby. Come on girl. I love you baby. I love you now. I love you baby. I love you now.' Oh well. Furries should always go out with a bang.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

You know, most of the time when teh furry shows up in videos and comedy and stuff, it's just in terms of "Ha ha! Look! People in animal costumes!" But the moby video is too close to the real thing for comfort- those look like real fur-suits, they're at a key party, the only difference is that the girl animals seem to be real girls, which could be chalked up to wishful thinking. In other words, whoever came up with this knows a thing or two about the fur.

Right Moby?! =)

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

IMHO you're overreacting. Most people don't associate fursuits with furries, but just with mascots, going to Disneyland, dressing up for a party... We don't need to think that "furry" is getting into mainstream media. It's a tiny thing, and even if many people are now aware of its existence (for instance because they did a google image search for Babs Bunny and hit furry porn), I'm pretty sure it's not something they go and think about just because they see someone dressed as a tiger.

Also, most furries' fursuits look like crap. If it's a well-made fursuit, chances are it does not belong to a furry. :wink:

GoManVanGogh · Vociferator Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 365

At least it has a happy ending! :twisted:

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

IMHO you're overreacting. Most people don't associate fursuits with furries, but just with mascots, going to Disneyland, dressing up for a party... We don't need to think that "furry" is getting into mainstream media. It's a tiny thing, and even if many people are now aware of its existence (for instance because they did a google image search for Babs Bunny and hit furry porn), I'm pretty sure it's not something they go and think about just because they see someone dressed as a tiger.

Also, most furries' fursuits look like crap. If it's a well-made fursuit, chances are it does not belong to a furry. :wink:

You're absolutely right, except... in this case I'm not sure. The whole 'yiff party' theme is a bit too close to reality.

I still can't tell what the message is in the video. Are the fursuiters freaks, or meant as allegories? The "we're beautiful" line is ambiguous, and you can't tell if it's meant as irony, or to spread a humanistic message of tolerance (which sounds more like what Moby would do, because he's kind of like a pussy that way).

I really don't think it means he himself is a furry, as anything in that video could have been put together from info found all over the internet, including from this very site. I mean, say what you will about Moby but I think he's got some decent music; I don't see how someone that talented and successful can be a furry, and visa versa. It's just not possible, and I'd dare you to name one person who might be.

It all just hurts my head is what...

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

to clear up some confusion, the song 'beautiful' is SUPPOSED to be
simple.
it's a song that was inspired by our collective obsession with simple
but attractive
celebrities, and in particular our obsession with celebrity couples.
on one hand 'beautiful' is a simple and sweet love song, but when
i wrote it i kind of had this vision of 2 very simple but attractive
celebrities
sitting across from each other at dinner congratulating
one another on how attractive they were.
just thought i'd clear this up.
-moby

"As I was writing it, I was thinking of two not very bright celebrities singing it to each other," he said.

Not my formatting. Well, considering this is Moby we're discussing, and taking hints from other themes in the video - the 'gun', the popcorn, the 'music video' on TV - it's highly unlikely this was intended to represent a furry fuck gathering, the animal suits are certainly representative of something. Of what, considering this is Moby... anywhere between tolerance, world peace, and a funny dream he had after eating too many veggie burritos. But I'll infer, it's a sarcastic remark that no matter how nicely people are dressed up and how distant from our normal lives they may seem, they're still people with mortal failings and irrational behavior. Disloyal, vapid, immature, jealous and criminal, hardly worthy of respect.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

IMHO you're overreacting. Most people don't associate fursuits with furries, but just with mascots, going to Disneyland, dressing up for a party... We don't need to think that "furry" is getting into mainstream media. It's a tiny thing, and even if many people are now aware of its existence (for instance because they did a google image search for Babs Bunny and hit furry porn), I'm pretty sure it's not something they go and think about just because they see someone dressed as a tiger.

Also, most furries' fursuits look like crap. If it's a well-made fursuit, chances are it does not belong to a furry. :wink:

Oh, don't worry. I don't SERIOUSLY think this video is about furry. I just thought it was funny to see sex, jealousy, teh drama, and...well, fursuits all together. Just like (sur)real life! But no, I don't think Moby is a fur, who knows, maybe he's one of the lucky ones who lives in blissful ignorance. =)

tomcat · Qualificator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 15

Moby is a pretty major techno-geek. As such it's not unreasonable to suspect he's explored the darker corners of the internet and has encountered TEH FANDOM online.

Think about it: "Who could a wuss like Moby feel fine about mocking?" Fursuiters do make sense as an answer here...

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Why does everyone hate Moby so much? He lacks the overbearing ego of most other musicians.

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

It's because his ego is picked up by all of his fans. Moby fans are nigh invariably giant mooks.

Mastertran · Prattler Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 174

Yeah I kinda like Moby just hate his fans.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

I like Moby's music and I like Moby, he seems to be a nice guy. Don't know what Moby fans are supposed to be like and I couldn't care less. At any rate, what does it matter whether Moby is an idiot or not? It doesn't influence his music. It's about the art, not the man. I like Picasso's paintings even though it's firmly established that the man was a prick.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

I like Moby's music and I like Moby, he seems to be a nice guy. Don't know what Moby fans are supposed to be like and I couldn't care less.

I actually don't like his music at all but I think he's a really cool guy like you say. I have friends who like him, but Moby specific fans I know nothing about.

Octan · Qualificator Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 10

Moby! NO!!!!!

I can hear the teeming furry masses masturbating to this right now...

I worry more about the non-furry teens who will see this on MTV and be haunted by nightmares for the rest of their natural lives. :P

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

I'm not quite sure what is more surprising, that video or the fact that Moby made a song without sampling.

On a somewhat related note, anyone ever seen the video for Girl's Not Grey by AFI? Creepy anime eye goodness.

Dormin · Qualificator Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 23

I'm not quite sure what is more surprising, that video or the fact that Moby made a song without sampling.

On a somewhat related note, anyone ever seen the video for Girl's Not Grey by AFI? Creepy anime eye goodness.

Yep, I even mentioned it when Skunk Fucker talked about the "Sour Girl" video for STP (But I thought it was Greyest skies or something like that).

Speaking of that creepy costume, I can't remember the name of the costume style but they showed it on POE once. In a nutshell, guys dress up in what can be described as full body latex suits made to look like anime women. The arms, hands, head, almost everything is covered up in these suits. Creepiest damn things I've ever seen next to the photos in Subversive's fursuit article.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Speaking of that creepy costume, I can't remember the name of the costume style but they showed it on POE once. In a nutshell, guys dress up in what can be described as full body latex suits made to look like anime women. The arms, hands, head, almost everything is covered up in these suits. Creepiest damn things I've ever seen next to the photos in Subversive's fursuit article.

I believe you are reffering to kigurumi. As a matter of fact, the guy in this link was featured in Subversive's article under "Wrong fetish, dipshit".

Dormin · Qualificator Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 23

Speaking of that creepy costume, I can't remember the name of the costume style but they showed it on POE once. In a nutshell, guys dress up in what can be described as full body latex suits made to look like anime women. The arms, hands, head, almost everything is covered up in these suits. Creepiest damn things I've ever seen next to the photos in Subversive's fursuit article.

I believe you are reffering to kigurumi. As a matter of fact, the guy in this link was featured in Subversive's article under "Wrong fetish, dipshit".

Ah, thank you, now I have a name for my nightmare fuel. Never knew that photo was of the same man, then again I could never get past the front page without hiding under my desk and whimpering.

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1030

I'm not quite sure what is more surprising, that video or the fact that Moby made a song without sampling.

On a somewhat related note, anyone ever seen the video for Girl's Not Grey by AFI? Creepy anime eye goodness.

Yep, I even mentioned it when Skunk Fucker talked about the "Sour Girl" video for STP (But I thought it was Greyest skies or something like that).

Speaking of that creepy costume, I can't remember the name of the costume style but they showed it on POE once. In a nutshell, guys dress up in what can be described as full body latex suits made to look like anime women. The arms, hands, head, almost everything is covered up in these suits. Creepiest damn things I've ever seen next to the photos in Subversive's fursuit article.

OK, what the fuck.. I've liked AFI for a long time. Since back when they were a regular punk bank, then they turned into a gothy punk bank... then they turned into a really gothy punk bank ... fine. Great. Now they are hitting up the anime crowd?.... fuck

At this rate its really only a matter of time before AFI tries tapping into a furry demographic :lol:

I still like them .. well at least as of the last album I bought Art of Drowning .. or rather, that Sing the Sorrows CD/DVD set (book) with the fairly lame 'indy' film they did. But I really haven't listened to it that much.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

DAMMIT! When will crossdressers freaking learn, when wearing a skirt you furcking SIT WITH YOUR LEGS TOGETHER! Ugh...

http://www.yuriskigurumi.com/metal6.jpg

http://www.yuriskigurumi.com/blkskirt9.jpg

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

DAMMIT! When will crossdressers freaking learn, when wearing a skirt you furcking SIT WITH YOUR LEGS TOGETHER! Ugh...

At least that person's lack of basic skirt-wearing knowledge proves it's a man. If ever there was any doubt. :wink:

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Update:

MTVU brings the fur to the university masses.

LoKi · Coadjutor Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 99

Awesome. XD

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

So many new furs will emerge from the college scene after exposure to that :(

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

No, no they won't. They aren't zombies. It's not like they are bitten and magically turned into a furry against their will.

By that logic, every time the Rolling Stones appear on MTV, the college crew will want to be geriatrics.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Needs to get out more Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 980

No, no they won't. They aren't zombies. It's not like they are bitten and magically turned into a furry against their will.

By that logic, every time the Rolling Stones appear on MTV, the college crew will want to be geriatrics.

Nah, I know furries are what they are before their exposure to the 'fandom', in the same way 'furryness' is basically an underlying psychological problem first and foremost. But some may not know about the fetish culture until they head off to college and, whilst in that mood and enviroment may discover they aren't the only ones. And thus new furries emerge on the scene.

Also, I was half joking.

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

No, no they won't. They aren't zombies. It's not like they are bitten and magically turned into a furry against their will.

By that logic, every time the Rolling Stones appear on MTV, the college crew will want to be geriatrics.

Well, MTV does have a bad habit and history of making rabid liberals and consumer whores out of kids. The university channel tells us it's not only okay to be homosexual, you're actually a wiser, more 'modern' and 'global' person if you are. It's gone from preaching tolerance (at the risk of becoming spineless) to encouraging 'alternative' decisions (at the risk of becoming really stupid looking). I'm not going to suggest students actually listen, but do imagine the crazier closet furries going loudly public with 'fur pride' once the MTV tells them they're wonderful people for being different...

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

Well, MTV does have a bad habit and history of making rabid liberals and consumer whores out of kids. The university channel tells us it's not only okay to be homosexual, you're actually a wiser, more 'modern' and 'global' person if you are. It's gone from preaching tolerance (at the risk of becoming spineless) to encouraging 'alternative' decisions (at the risk of becoming really stupid looking). I'm not going to suggest students actually listen, but do imagine the crazier closet furries going loudly public with 'fur pride' once the MTV tells them they're wonderful people for being different...

There's no connection between being open-minded, being liberal, and being furry. Hell, half the nutjobs in furry are rabid conservatives. All this fur crap isn't a political thing, it's a matter of sad, pathetic individuals who are otherwise universally mocked and derided, banding togeither and telling one another it's all okay and they're "special". The difference between furry and genetic sexual wiring is that furry is a "fetish", at best a hobby. It's not a sexual identity, it's not natural variant, it's people with generally stunted sexuality (IE I couldn't get a girlfriend until I was 28 so I drew herm bunny women alot) creating a "movement" out of their fantasy material. People don't watch MTV and think "Wow, I've been completely attracted to women all my life but...hell, Kurt Loder says being gay is alright, so what the hell! Bring on the cock!" And, to be honest, MTV is FAR too inspid to inspire anyone to anything, aside from some bored kids in Iowa who tried to make their own Jackass.

Tolerance is not about "accepting everyone nomatter how fucked up they are" as furries would tell you. It's about accepting the reality that we are not all the same. But there are boundries. I'm sure as hell not tolerant of peadophiles, zoos, rapists, etc etc. There are boundaries, dependant upon the reality of who we are. Nobody is born a fur. They come to this community through a common connection of lonliness and exclusions, with maybe a healthy dose of perversion mixed in. Don't confuse the problems, beliefs, and real identity issues of people with a glorified porno hobby.

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Stop calling them 'zoos' that's the name they picked for themselves. Say it like it is, bestials.

If social groups strengthen through difference as all my bleedin' heart teachers told me, then furry is fucked. For they are unquestionably groupthink and alike to one another.

Goofy · Rasophore Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 55

My post basically echos Monica's.

People who develop their political ideology (liberal, conservative, neo-con, right-wing, etc) do so because based on a social awareness of their surroundings. People do not become furry based on social awareness. They don't, for example, hear Martin Luther King speak out against racism and they suddenly become furry. People become involved in Furry do so for a few other reasons, ranging from the tame ("I watched Looney Tunes a lot as a kid") to the extreme ("I want to fuck a six-titted dick-nipple herm panther with several dick piercings.") When it gets to the extreme, their furriness is based on psychosexual problems rather than their social awareness. That's why the "fandom" is made up of a possible equal amount of right and left-wing nutballs.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

Also, there's something to be said for individuals with obsessive personalities becoming furry. These types of people become outrageously addicted and vehemently loyal to whatever there cause may be. Political zealotry (Both Left and Right) often goes hand-in-hand with obsession over furry skunk-coloured genitalia. Much of the art furthers this point, not only being focused on fuzzy animals, but massive, even disturbing amounts of detail, history, mythology, gods, and of course, sexual behaviors. Obsession of any kind can stunt ones social development simply because normalized human interaction is shunned over the importance of one's fixation.

Look Ma! No capitals! A-hyuck! :evil:

RailFoxen · Venter Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 251

Okay... the idea to the post was, MTV has a history of giving teens political opinions by presenting half of an issue, then jazzing it up and exaggerating its importance. It further promotes tolerance of 'alternative lifestyles' - and makes them look cool and awesome and perfectly normal. Come Monday I'll try to get a picture of the 'group sex' ads, someone try and tell me that's a result of genetic sexual wiring...

Promoting tolerance and liberalism doesn't automatically promote the fur pride thing. Promoting furries does. So, y'know, if they actually chose to start making the whole furry thing sound normal and attractive and 'more in tune with nature and themselves', there'd be a surge in furry public activity, encouragement to do more furry things, hell, maybe some kind of scary GLBT-association style recruitment. But that sounds really dumb. And MTV would have to see what direction the winds of society are blowing. If they can't make it sound hip and cool and make their viewers feel better about themselves, then we'll be left with Sex2K.

Paul · Vociferator Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 551

Okay... the idea to the post was, MTV has a history of giving teens political opinions by presenting half of an issue, then jazzing it up and exaggerating its importance. It further promotes tolerance of 'alternative lifestyles' - and makes them look cool and awesome and perfectly normal. Come Monday I'll try to get a picture of the 'group sex' ads, someone try and tell me that's a result of genetic sexual wiring...

MTV - or any other TV channel - does not give people political opinions. Teenagers are not empty barrels you can just pour opinions into. Like Goofy wrote, people develop their political ideology leanings on an awareness of their surroundings. Sure, today TV is probably the most important medium for presenting what we might call "the big picture", but for every "message" you'll see on one channel, there's the direct opposite on another channel. And the most important input for socializing people are still family, friends, acquaintances - other real life people they actually interact with. No one lives in an MTV-only bubble.

Promoting tolerance and liberalism doesn't automatically promote the fur pride thing. Promoting furries does. So, y'know, if they actually chose to start making the whole furry thing sound normal and attractive and 'more in tune with nature and themselves', there'd be a surge in furry public activity, encouragement to do more furry things, hell, maybe some kind of scary GLBT-association style recruitment. But that sounds really dumb. And MTV would have to see what direction the winds of society are blowing. If they can't make it sound hip and cool and make their viewers feel better about themselves, then we'll be left with Sex2K.

Why would MTV or anyone else outside furrydumb start promoting furries? There is no way furries can be presented as being normal. Furries aren't considered cool or aspire-to-worthy anywhere outside furrydumb itself.

Even in the more than unlikely event that someone did try to promote furries, it wouldn't mean a surge in furry activity, for the reasons AngryPuritan, Goofy and MonicaKitty already mentioned.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 450

start making the whole furry thing sound normal and attractive and 'more in tune with nature and themselves', there'd be a surge in furry public activity, encouragement to do more furry things, hell, maybe some kind of scary GLBT-association style recruitment

Also, I'm sorry, but GLBT people do not recruit. Trust me on this. All that crap about a "Gay agenda"? I assure you, it's not true. Nobody who has gender or sexual identity issues to wrestle with would EVER wish the discrimination, hate, misunderstanding or violence on another person. This isn't the military, Walmart, or the Jehova's Witnesses, these are people struggling to understand themselves, not sign kids up to some "lifestyle choice". Furry is a hobby, a fetish, there's choice invloved.

Though if I ever have the door-to-door lesbian stop by and drop off some "Ten Reasons It's Great to Become a Dyke" pamphlets for me, I'll be sure to let you know.

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

Though if I ever have the door-to-door lesbian stop by and drop off some "Ten Reasons It's Great to Become a Dyke" pamphlets for me, I'll be sure to let you know.

I've known two people personally who are militant homosexuals; one of whom wasn't a homosexual at all. She just said that if she had a male child that she would raise it to be gay because she has an obsession with gay men and because she's a fucking idiot.

(I've also found that people like her almost always espouse gay rights for men only; lesbians are gross, eww!)

AngryPuritan · Vociferator Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 399

Yes, that is a large problem. I always like to view it like so. Gay or straight, people can and are idiots. In fact, equality in idiocy is part of a colorblind society.

Will there be moronic gays? Yes. The 'self-cleaning anus' being one of my favorites. Are there moronic heterosexuals? Oh hell yes.

At the end of the day, things balance out and there is no need for anyone except your partner to really care about your choices in sexuality.

With that being said, anyone who forces their sexuality upon others, even just by flaunting it, does not deserve a cookie for being special. They deserve to be spayed/neutered.

Dr. Mojo · Prattler Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 180

She had a stupid fascination with gay men. They were "oh so cute and funny and fun to talk to! ^.^"

I remember once I was trying to talk to her about Walt Whitman's poetry and how beautiful this one poem of his was, and she didn't give a rat's ass about him. I decided to try a little experiment. I mentioned that he was probably gay and showed her a few poems to back up that point and she suddenly wanted to read everything he'd written, his biography, and pretty much anything else by him and rub it against her body as though it were soap.

Stoneth · Vociferator Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 545

Going back to Moby for a second, I wonder if anyone else recalls the fact that in Eminem's video for "Without Me" after Moby "gets stomped by Obie" in the video a guy in a bunny fursuit walks in and kicks Moby in the gut.

This and the Moby's new video makes me wonder ... could Moby be a furry?

Griphonix · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 50

Going back to Moby for a second, I wonder if anyone else recalls the fact that in Eminem's video for "Without Me" after Moby "gets stomped by Obie" in the video a guy in a bunny fursuit walks in and kicks Moby in the gut.

This and the Moby's new video makes me wonder ... could Moby be a furry?

I don't know much about Moby as a person, but if he creates any of "teh drama!" then i'm gonna say yep, he's a furry.