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Posted: 11/2/2003 11:35:30 PM     Post subject: Hey Jerry, how about telling everyone about your FIRST kid?  

After all, you're so great and free of condemnation and all. You know, you should make sure you don't confide in people you plan on stabbing in the back in the future. So how about that kid you had while you and Becky were living in a tent, hmmm?

Groat knows now as well. Have fun trying to cover that up, pink boy. :twisted:
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Posted: 11/2/2003 11:38:39 PM     Post subject: And while we're on the subject  

Oh high and mighty one, how about how both Brigette and Vaughn were taken out of your custody by the Georgia CPS and placed with your parents? Pity it was done before you stabbed Brian in the back, that would have just been icing on the cake.

Skid mark colored as it was. :lol:
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Posted: 11/3/2003 12:56:50 AM     Post subject:  

What the FUCK.

Anyone care to explain this reference to Mr. Collins' private life and why we should care?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 1:09:07 AM     Post subject:  

Simply put, every bit of libel about Brian O'Connell you post on your site will recieve it's equal in truth regarding Jerry Collins.

Should have figured that out from the start, kiddo.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 1:21:04 AM     Post subject:  

By the way Jerry, since I know it would piss you off enough to give you an aneurism, I sold three of your pictures to Steve Martin, including two model sheets of your bambioids, for a whopping $35. And there isn't a single solitary thing you can do about it, pink boy. Haw haw haw.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 1:21:25 AM     Post subject:  

Simply put, every bit of libel about Brian O'Connell you post on your site will recieve it's equal in truth regarding Jerry Collins.

Should have figured that out from the start, kiddo.


Would you be this Brian O' Connell?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 1:37:20 AM     Post subject:  

I would think that this would be overwhelmingly apparent.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 2:17:51 AM     Post subject:  

Oh yes, and while we're on this stroll through memory lane. There was one time when Jerry and Becky's friend dropped by with her kids (I forget her name), and I came upstairs to show Jerry the latest sketch I had finished. Well, the kids wanted to see it, but since it was pr0n, I declined. Now most "normal" parents would think that would be a GOOD thing, correct?

Not in Jerry, Becky, et al's case. They bitched me out for close to a half hour because I refused to show porn to a child, calling me anal retentive, etc. Doesn't this strike anyone else as just a LITTLE on the fucked up side?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 2:45:51 AM     Post subject:  

lol

back for more beee'otch ???

get the fuck outta here o'connell

no one cares
youre just one fat sorry sack o shit
goin nowhere fast

and everybody knows it



"worst nightmare my ass!"
...PUNT!
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Posted: 11/3/2003 2:55:13 AM     Post subject:  

Fuck you, Mouse, I'll say what I want and where I want. Collins ripped me off and then had the audacity to start spreading lies. I have as much a right to give my side of the story as he does. You already passed judgement long before I ever posted here, so your word is nothing, and it's pointless to even try to defend Collins. You didn't get your life completely fucked up by him, you didn't have him leech every penny you earned, and you didn't lose property to him.

In other words, you know nothing.

And even if you figure out how to block guest postings, it won't matter, it'll be posted to alt.fan.furry, and inevitably cached in Google for all to see, for at least as long as Google maintains their usenet archives.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:25:49 AM     Post subject:  

Fuck you, Mouse, I'll say what I want and where I want. Collins ripped me off and then had the audacity to start spreading lies. I have as much a right to give my side of the story as he does.


uhm but youre NOT giving your side of the story at all , youre just shit-talking jerry you fucking dork

and let me reiterate - no one here likes you OR gives a shit

you are motherfucking NOTORIOUS o'connell ! dont you even know that ?!

im surprised that you have ANY friends at all


btw - DO you have any friends?

people who commission you to draw stuff for them are not 'friends'

they are customers

..until you rip them off, then they are 'victims'



You already passed judgement long before I ever posted here, so your word is nothing, and it's pointless to even try to defend Collins. You didn't get your life completely fucked up by him, you didn't have him leech every penny you earned, and you didn't lose property to him.

In other words, you know nothing.


fucking melodrama ! please!
im about to bust out crying at the sheer hell you had to go thru, brian

And even if you figure out how to block guest postings, it won't matter, it'll be posted to alt.fan.furry, and inevitably cached in Google for all to see, for at least as long as Google maintains their usenet archives.


im sure Jerry's absolutely mortified by this prospect




PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:35:15 AM     Post subject:  

by the way , just so that there is no confusion here o connell
i formed MY opinion of you long before i came to this board, asshole

mainly because i heard of all the shit you pulled on other people

hey , dont you remember my first post to your other thread???

here let me quote myself for you

brian made a post one time on a.f.f. that was a chat log of his (he does all the time too ??? like anyone gives a fuck) where he is telling someone that was being an asshole that "now he wasnt gonna do thier commision, nor was he going to give them thier money back" (or words to this effect)...uh if someones being an asshole then you can refuse to do business and you give their money back...you definatly dont post a conversation with yourself sayign shit like this.
i dont know what the fuck the other guy's deal was, but it really doesnt matter



if you want.. maybe i should go find some of the retarded shit you have posted to AFF?? ..you fucking dumbass
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:35:50 AM     Post subject: Re: And while we're on the subject  

Oh high and mighty one, how about how both Brigette and Vaughn were taken out of your custody by the Georgia CPS and placed with your parents? Pity it was done before you stabbed Brian in the back, that would have just been icing on the cake.

Skid mark colored as it was. :lol:


One simple word: BULLSHIT!

The REASON why the kids are in the custody of the grandparents is because:

a. the schools in gran's home county are BETTER than the ones that are (ab)used by the Atlanta school system.

b. because of the CRUSHING DEBT left behind by Brian O' FUCKING Connell and other deadbeat roommates, they literally cannot afford to care for their own kids.

As if it was any of your damn business, you nasty little slug you.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:43:23 AM     Post subject:  

I call bullshit! You know what "crushing debt" I left behind? NONE. I didn't use Jerry's phone, I ordered and paid for my own phone line and cable service, and I let both bills lapse only to pay for Jerry's inability to cover his own end of the rent and bills.

Additionally, since those bills were made out to "Brian O'Connell" and NOT "Jerry Collins", no court of law, no collection agency, no repo man would consider it as Jerry's debt, let alone responsibility.

You guys just love grasping at straws, dontcha?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:47:06 AM     Post subject:  

by the way , just so that there is no confusion here o connell
i formed MY opinion of you long before i came to this board, asshole

mainly because i heard of all the shit you pulled on other people

hey , dont you remember my first post to your other thread???

here let me quote myself for you

brian made a post one time on a.f.f. that was a chat log of his (he does all the time too ??? like anyone gives a fuck) where he is telling someone that was being an asshole that "now he wasnt gonna do thier commision, nor was he going to give them thier money back" (or words to this effect)...uh if someones being an asshole then you can refuse to do business and you give their money back...you definatly dont post a conversation with yourself sayign shit like this.
i dont know what the fuck the other guy's deal was, but it really doesnt matter



if you want.. maybe i should go find some of the retarded shit you have posted to AFF?? ..you fucking dumbass


Why not? You demonstrate that more than enough yourself.

As for the guy who wasn't going to get his commission, he later went on to post artwork, comics, etc, without anyones permission. You know him best as Sibe.

But you know, you're a fucking retard too, and not worth the time.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:47:53 AM     Post subject:  





Sorry, I couldn't find the drama.gif that's used on the SomethingAwful forums. If anyone could find that and post it, I would be most thankful.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:48:49 AM     Post subject:  

I call bullshit! You know what "crushing debt" I left behind? NONE. I didn't use Jerry's phone, I ordered and paid for my own phone line and cable service, and I let both bills lapse only to pay for Jerry's inability to cover his own end of the rent and bills.

Additionally, since those bills were made out to "Brian O'Connell" and NOT "Jerry Collins", no court of law, no collection agency, no repo man would consider it as Jerry's debt, let alone responsibility.

You guys just love grasping at straws, dontcha?


Guess what, Fucko? I have Der Jer on the phone right now as we speak.

And Jerry sez:
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:49:52 AM     Post subject:  





PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....


Nope, I had a 16 year old girlfriend (legal in both Washington AND Georgia) who I waited for 2 years to get together with when she turned 18, and broke up with immediately thereafter. Internet relationships happen that way all the time.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:53:05 AM     Post subject:  

I call bullshit! You know what "crushing debt" I left behind? NONE. I didn't use Jerry's phone, I ordered and paid for my own phone line and cable service, and I let both bills lapse only to pay for Jerry's inability to cover his own end of the rent and bills.

Additionally, since those bills were made out to "Brian O'Connell" and NOT "Jerry Collins", no court of law, no collection agency, no repo man would consider it as Jerry's debt, let alone responsibility.

You guys just love grasping at straws, dontcha?


Guess what, Fucko? I have Der Jer on the phone right now as we speak.

And Jerry sez:



Fine, have Jerry scan in my so called "bills" that he is supposedly in debt for. I'd like to see it. Provide proof, or else you and Jerry are talking out of your asses.

Maybe it should have dawned on Jerry that tossing the only other guy who had any income out was the cause of his debt, not the guy who he threw out.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 3:54:17 AM     Post subject:  





PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....


Nope, I had a 16 year old girlfriend (legal in both Washington AND Georgia) who I waited for 2 years to get together with when she turned 18, and broke up with immediately thereafter. Internet relationships happen that way all the time.



ESPECIALLY when she finally got a good look at you in person and wanted to heave her tampon out, eh Brian?

How about you tell the boys and girls here how you"celebrated" your move to Seattle by getting yourself shitfaced drunk at a con. And when the con was over, how you almost shit a brick when you found out that your "girlfriend" was NOT going to be letting you come home with her so you can bang her up the BOO-TAY in her bedroom (at her parents' place, since she was still living with her folks) while you raid her father's fridge?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 4:03:55 AM     Post subject:  





PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....


Nope, I had a 16 year old girlfriend (legal in both Washington AND Georgia) who I waited for 2 years to get together with when she turned 18, and broke up with immediately thereafter. Internet relationships happen that way all the time.



oh really
i want to know how old YOU were at the time

this should be good
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Posted: 11/3/2003 4:05:47 AM     Post subject:  





PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....


Nope, I had a 16 year old girlfriend (legal in both Washington AND Georgia) who I waited for 2 years to get together with when she turned 18, and broke up with immediately thereafter. Internet relationships happen that way all the time.



oh really
i want to know how old YOU were at the time

this should be good


Looks like Brian's been gettin' some of that love advice from Joey Buttafucco. Whatta Loverboy!

"Brian ButtaFUCKHEAD"?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 4:24:57 AM     Post subject:  

Looks like Brian's been gettin' some of that love advice from Joey Buttafucco. Whatta Loverboy!

"Brian ButtaFUCKHEAD"?


me thinks so

the youngest he could say he was and not have me burst out laughing at his lie would be 32

which wouldve made him TWICE HER AGE
and with her being 16...

well o'connel - i dont care if thats 'legal'
thats fucking SICK and predatory
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Posted: 11/3/2003 6:28:16 AM     Post subject: Dear Mr. O'Connell  

you are a shiny red queerballoon.

Fuck you in the nose for bringing up Mr. Collins' private life, which is the business of no one here but himself. Nobody gives two shits about it anyway and we all really doubt your description, not that it matters. The fucker can draw and make it look easy and seems to be a genuinely nice and honest guy which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for you, faggot.

I've had differences with other people here -- for example my esteemed colleague Mouse -- but it's all in fun and the spirit of debate. I would buy Mouse all the beers he could stand any day of the week because he's cool, intelligent, funny, and he always has a point and is worth talking to, same as Jerry. You are just a fucking idiot. Go suck on a fat shit, fagbasket.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:11:12 AM     Post subject:  

Finnish bullshit?
The flag on the backgroud confuses me a little.

häränpaskaa?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:17:51 AM     Post subject: Re: Dear Mr. O'Connell  

you are a shiny red queerballoon.

Fuck you in the nose for bringing up Mr. Collins' private life, which is the business of no one here but himself. Nobody gives two shits about it anyway and we all really doubt your description, not that it matters. The fucker can draw and make it look easy and seems to be a genuinely nice and honest guy which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for you, faggot.

I've had differences with other people here -- for example my esteemed colleague Mouse -- but it's all in fun and the spirit of debate. I would buy Mouse all the beers he could stand any day of the week because he's cool, intelligent, funny, and he always has a point and is worth talking to, same as Jerry. You are just a fucking idiot. Go suck on a fat shit, fagbasket.


Brian can't fight his own battles, you see. So, he tries to drag all sorts of stuff (mostly imaginary and/or grossly exaggerated) in the hope that he can get others to fight his battles for him.

Remember, this is the very same Brian O'Connell that sent the feds after me, just because I wasn't happy about being scammed for several hundred dollars by him, and I refused to believe any more of his bullshit lies and excuses that he ALWAYS uses to avoid even the tiniest speck of personal responsibility.

Hell, we ALL have seen how willing (eager, even) Brian is to try to get a person's children taken away from their home, just because Brian doesn't like them. Brian has no idea how far is "too far".

He's a vicious little shit. Brimming with hatred towards Collins and Your's Truly because we are the reason why his mailbox isn't stuffed with $100 bills from gullible suckers every single day (or at least he expects that to be the ways things should be).

We have seen how he has left EVERY SINGLE co-habitator behind with a load of debt and a nightmarish experience. Every single person unwitting enough to open their homes to this one-man locust plague has eventually come to regret their act of kindness & generosity, which Brian has so callously taken advantage of.

We have seen Brian's acts of sexual predation of young girls all the way from California to Georgia to Washington state. It's disgusting!

I mean, just LOOK at the guy!

Oh, what a sexy, sexy man. I wonder what furry he suckered in order to buy that bucket of junk food?

The truly disturbing thing is that Brian O'Connell would be a depraved thieving backstabbing conspiring cruel psychotic sack of runny shit even if he WASN'T associated with furry fandom. This is one case where even furrydumb can't be used as an explanation for his actions.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:30:30 AM     Post subject:  





PS

i heard you were shitting your pants when Ilthuain and Harpold cornered you at some con
they should have laid into you and kicked your fucking ass - that would have been hilarious !
you were almost in tears as it was

is that true, also , that you are child molester?
maybe we outta contact the FBI about you, O'Connell.....


Nope, I had a 16 year old girlfriend (legal in both Washington AND Georgia) who I waited for 2 years to get together with when she turned 18, and broke up with immediately thereafter. Internet relationships happen that way all the time.



oh really
i want to know how old YOU were at the time

this should be good


I was 28 at the time. You know, probably no more the difference in age between your daddy and your mommy, li'l boy.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:34:21 AM     Post subject:  

Ah, the cheezie poofs photo. A classic. I submitted that to Something Awful years and years ago, it's a true gem.

You ought to host it yourself, though, Michael. SA has a tendency to change the image to granny porn or something if you link to their source of it from an off-SA site.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:46:19 AM     Post subject:  

I was 28 at the time. You know, probably no more the difference in age between your daddy and your mommy, li'l boy.


thats still fucking DISGUSTING

..oh and ...my daddy and mommy? is that all you got?
the FUCK?

if my dad was 28 and my mom was 16 , my dad would be in jail



needless to say i think youre FULL OF SHIT on you being 28 at the time
but hey, it still paints you as the fucking dirtbag you are...so thats cool with me

"dirty 28 year old man picks up 16 year old girls on the internet"

sounds like the type of shit the FBI gets involved in
that why you keep moving around the country, O'Connell, using aliases and whatnot??

FBIs on your ass, huh?

either that or every town you pass through has a mob of people that want you dead

proud of yourself ?
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:48:37 AM     Post subject: Re: Dear Mr. O'Connell  

you are a shiny red queerballoon.

Fuck you in the nose for bringing up Mr. Collins' private life, which is the business of no one here but himself. Nobody gives two shits about it anyway and we all really doubt your description, not that it matters. The fucker can draw and make it look easy and seems to be a genuinely nice and honest guy which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for you, faggot.

I've had differences with other people here -- for example my esteemed colleague Mouse -- but it's all in fun and the spirit of debate. I would buy Mouse all the beers he could stand any day of the week because he's cool, intelligent, funny, and he always has a point and is worth talking to, same as Jerry. You are just a fucking idiot. Go suck on a fat shit, fagbasket.


Haw haw, you are so literate and concise! NOT!

I spent a YEAR. A FUCKING YEAR with Collins. Therefore, I am just as qualified to critique (in the moron tongue, "complain graphically") about him.

As I said, I lost a car to his loser "brother" Donner. A 1972 Mercury Marquis, 429 V8, 4 barrel Thunderjet carburetor. I stupidly loaned it to him, because 1 Drop Plus needed a vehicle to tow their equipment trailor. Someone left his car sitting in the middle of the road following a hit and run collision. Donner waited til he was 20 feet away or so to slam on the brakes, on a rain slickened road. Do the physics. Meanwhile, Collins and clan decided I was out of line because when I got another car, I told them no, when they wanted to borrow it. Gee, what a FUCKING HUGE leap of logic as to why I refused.

Now then, you want to know what IS true?

My teeth are fucked, as the great book of British smiles proves. Medically, a high intake of flouride can cause more damage than a low amount can do.

I'm overweight. Duh. I sit at a fucking computer, and I'm supposed to be Jack LaLane (or Ahnold for those without a 30 year memory)? Before I went online, I went from 250 to 170 lbs. I'll give you a guess when I lost the most weight. Hint: When Collins was sucking off my food supply.

I had a GF who was what, most of you if in a similar situation, would be considered as a hotty. I waited til she was legal age to take the relationship seriously. I regret it because she dropped me like a sack of shit. There. I ruined your usual flames. You may cry now.

I take a while to draw my furry porn. Why? Because I waste my time typing this crap, and ironically, back when I *was* drawing consistantly and quickly, I had assholes treating me like a clone of Hitler for it. Now you tell me, if you worked at McDonalds, would you feel like showing up for work the next day if PETA was doing the same? Of course not, you'd quit and take work somewhere else. (Don't expect Collins or Hirtes to give as concise a reply, neither have held real jobs, and consider you as suckers paying their way through welfare). I do, however, eventually get the furry pr0n done. Which is way beyond what Collins can do, I know those who tried commissioning him for artwork, lets put it this way. Amadeus was 999% more reasonable with his patrons than Collins has been over the last 10 years.

Furthermore, do you want to know the irony? I guess not, but who gives a fuck? Nobody cared when they decided to dedicate a fecal shrine to me, so why should I care who my own feces strikes? Damon Hill, the guy who Collins sold a shitload of artwork to, gave up on furries. He had roughly 30 lbs of Collins art (specifically, 90+ pictures) that he was prepared to throw into the garbage. This was back in the days when I believed Collins had one shred of decency (roughly 2 years ago). Anyhoo, I suggested at the time to take the artwork and sell it in auction, splitting the money from the auction between myself, Collins, and Damon (since I owed him back rent a few years back).

How did Collins respond to it? By saying I was selling his artwork without his consent (like, as the legal owner of the original art, I wasn't allowed), and then claiming I owed him $50,000 because I posted a buncha 230x320 or so low resolution sample scans of the artwork being sold.

Thems the facts kiddo.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:50:19 AM     Post subject:  

Ah, the cheezie poofs photo. A classic. I submitted that to Something Awful years and years ago, it's a true gem.

You ought to host it yourself, though, Michael. SA has a tendency to change the image to granny porn or something if you link to their source of it from an off-SA site.


Hate to break it to you, but I not only took the photo (timers are wonderful things), but I submitted it to Cliff Yablonski back in April 2001.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 7:51:54 AM     Post subject:  

I was 28 at the time. You know, probably no more the difference in age between your daddy and your mommy, li'l boy.


thats still fucking DISGUSTING

..oh and ...my daddy and mommy? is that all you got?
the FUCK?

if my dad was 28 and my mom was 16 , my dad would be in jail



needless to say i think youre FULL OF SHIT on you being 28 at the time
but hey, it still paints you as the fucking dirtbag you are...so thats cool with me

"dirty 28 year old man picks up 16 year old girls on the internet"

sounds like the type of shit the FBI gets involved in
that why you keep moving around the country, O'Connell, using aliases and whatnot??

FBIs on your ass, huh?

either that or every town you pass through has a mob of people that want you dead

proud of yourself ?


You don't know how to read, do you? I said we met when she was 16, we got together when she was 18. I said we got together when I was 28. Therefore, fucktard, we were a whole whopping 10 years apart in age, her 18, and I 28, if you cannot do the math.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 8:02:54 AM     Post subject: Re: Dear Mr. O'Connell  

As I said, I lost a car to his loser "brother" Donner. A 1972 Mercury Marquis, 429 V8, 4 barrel Thunderjet carburetor.



the MOTOR is a ThunderJet
not the fucking carburettor you stupid asshole !

the carburettor is probably a motorcraft
i cant see what else it would have been since i cant imagine you even putting a Holley "out of the box carb" on the thing

and if that was a 72 G marquis going 50 mph, what the fuck did it hit?

your stupid fuckin fault for not getting fixed ,
a full frame car like that not only would it be easy, i cant imagine the damage being that extensive


Now then, you want to know what IS true?


hehe
yes.

I'm overweight. Duh. I sit at a fucking computer, and I'm supposed to be Jack LaLane (or Ahnold for those without a 30 year memory)? Before I went online, I went from 250 to 170 lbs. I'll give you a guess when I lost the most weight. Hint: When Collins was sucking off my food supply.


OMFG! you are such a fucking joke o'connell !
i cant believe what i am reading here....
you lost weight cuz jerry ate your FOOD?!?

give me a FUCKING BREAK

LOL

Thems the facts kiddo.


again

LOL
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Posted: 11/3/2003 8:12:19 AM     Post subject:  

You don't know how to read, do you? I said we met when she was 16, we got together when she was 18. I said we got together when I was 28. Therefore, fucktard, we were a whole whopping 10 years apart in age, her 18, and I 28, if you cannot do the math.


i dont have to

the way you keep whittling these numbers - its obvious whats going on here


ill do some "forum math"
hold on...

ok..

she was 15 and you were 34

good god, brian...thats FUCKED UP
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Posted: 11/3/2003 10:45:13 AM     Post subject:  

Brian O' Connel is his own worst enemy.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 11:13:17 AM     Post subject:  


Fine, have Jerry scan in my so called "bills" that he is supposedly in debt for. I'd like to see it. Provide proof, or else you and Jerry are talking out of your asses.

Maybe it should have dawned on Jerry that tossing the only other guy who had any income out was the cause of his debt, not the guy who he threw out.


He can’t afford to buy a scanner because of the crippling debts that you left him in :o(
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Posted: 11/3/2003 12:19:39 PM     Post subject:  

Ah, the cheezie poofs photo. A classic. I submitted that to Something Awful years and years ago, it's a true gem.

You ought to host it yourself, though, Michael. SA has a tendency to change the image to granny porn or something if you link to their source of it from an off-SA site.


As if there would be any difference. <g>
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Posted: 11/3/2003 12:25:47 PM     Post subject:  

I was 28 at the time. You know, probably no more the difference in age between your daddy and your mommy, li'l boy.


thats still fucking DISGUSTING

..oh and ...my daddy and mommy? is that all you got?
the FUCK?

if my dad was 28 and my mom was 16 , my dad would be in jail



needless to say i think youre FULL OF SHIT on you being 28 at the time
but hey, it still paints you as the fucking dirtbag you are...so thats cool with me

"dirty 28 year old man picks up 16 year old girls on the internet"

sounds like the type of shit the FBI gets involved in
that why you keep moving around the country, O'Connell, using aliases and whatnot??

FBIs on your ass, huh?

either that or every town you pass through has a mob of people that want you dead

proud of yourself ?


According to Jer, Brian was born in '67, which would have made him 32 in 2000. And since Dark Kitten (the gal in question) was 16 at the time, that makes Brian TWICE as old as she was, the Dirty Old Pervie.

And BTW Brian, cuz I KNOW you're reading this, Jer wants you to know that he too has all sorts of shit on you from all the years you spent leeching off of him while staying at his home, but being the kinda guy he is, he's STILL not going to divulge any of the truly criminal parts that you have committed. So he's already a better man than you.

Feel free to shoot your foaming mouth off to the goobers over at AFF, you cockroach. You're not finding any allies or converts here.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 2:15:55 PM     Post subject:  

According to Jer, Brian was born in '67, which would have made him 32 in 2000. And since Dark Kitten (the gal in question) was 16 at the time, that makes Brian TWICE as old as she was, the Dirty Old Pervie.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, please please tell us that THIS is the babe in question!

http://www.thefoxden.com/cp.php3?con=fc00&pic=vv-p0000344.jpg&fs
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Posted: 11/3/2003 2:26:10 PM     Post subject:  

According to Jer, Brian was born in '67, which would have made him 32 in 2000. And since Dark Kitten (the gal in question) was 16 at the time, that makes Brian TWICE as old as she was, the Dirty Old Pervie.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, please please tell us that THIS is the babe in question!

http://www.thefoxden.com/cp.php3?con=fc00&pic=vv-p0000344.jpg&fs



No, that's Friskie. Dark Kitten was the gal "I.R. Brian" was having a net affair with when he was out in Atlanta.

After DK ditched him like the festering leper pustule that he is, Brian set out to wrap his tentacles around Friskie next.

Poor gal. NO ONE needs to get laid THAT badly.

(Note from Jer: "Honey, if you're THAT hard up, use a dildo. At least a dildo won't steal all your food.")
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Posted: 11/3/2003 5:10:26 PM     Post subject:  

No one CARES!!!, Brian I don't know anything about you but your behaviour here is akin to that of a troll, if you came here just to cause trouble then push off. No one is interested in watching you spew unproven accusations or attack other people like some two year old. We all have better things to discuss.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 9:11:59 PM     Post subject:  

According to Jer, Brian was born in '67, which would have made him 32 in 2000. And since Dark Kitten (the gal in question) was 16 at the time, that makes Brian TWICE as old as she was, the Dirty Old Pervie.

It also means that DK was uploading crap lesbian spooge to the VCL when she was 13.

Here's the CYD Edutainment Quota for today: In a recent study of 1,000,000 teenage camwhores and 'girls who adopted extremely modified sexual behavour to become popular on the Internet', every single one of them was classified as fucked in the head. Under no circumstances should a lonely geek with a shread of common sense approuch them.
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Posted: 11/3/2003 9:34:05 PM     Post subject:  



Here's the CYD Edutainment Quota for today: In a recent study of 1,000,000 teenage camwhores and 'girls who adopted extremely modified sexual behavour to become popular on the Internet', every single one of them was classified as fucked in the head. Under no circumstances should a lonely geek with a shread of common sense approuch them.


Or, to put all that into in one word: "Ashryn". :twisted:
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Posted: 11/4/2003 12:04:07 AM     Post subject:  

After DK ditched him like the festering leper pustule that he is, Brian set out to wrap his tentacles around Friskie next.

Poor gal. NO ONE needs to get laid THAT badly.

(Note from Jer: "Honey, if you're THAT hard up, use a dildo. At least a dildo won't steal all your food.")

Frisky is horrible though. I've heard from multiple sources that she's essentially a gaping vagina with legs that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").

God knows if she's still with BOC or not, but they were true soulmates.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 2:27:03 AM     Post subject:  

After DK ditched him like the festering leper pustule that he is, Brian set out to wrap his tentacles around Friskie next.

Poor gal. NO ONE needs to get laid THAT badly.

(Note from Jer: "Honey, if you're THAT hard up, use a dildo. At least a dildo won't steal all your food.")

Frisky is horrible though. I've heard from multiple sources that she's essentially a gaping vagina with legs that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").

God knows if she's still with BOC or not, but they were true soulmates.


Assuming either of them HAD a soul, of course.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 5:41:20 AM     Post subject:  

...that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").


There's fanboys actually able to get laid by paying for it? When did this happen? :twisted:

And what's with this continued dissing of girls in furry who like sex? Jeez, you know it could be worse in soooo many ways. Come to think of it, it HAS been worse in soooo many ways.

I'm more concerned with Mike and Brian's tit-for-tat thing. I could care less who's on target and who's nuts. But I do care for this being a mirror image of the a.f.f flamestrikes when Mike nails Brian there. Now Brian's come here and doing the same thing. Does this crap never ever end? And more to the point, it started with a whack at Collins who's done precious little posting here in a while and none that I can recall(not that I always pay attention or can give a fuck) at a.f.f.

At what point does this reach a logical victory of one side or the other? Neither. Brian, this is specifically a furry criticism site and a.f.f is a furry anything goes site. So, Mike's worst moments are on-topic at a.f.f due to precedent set by others long before him. But nothing of yours Brian is remotely close to being likely to get support of any kind here.

Brian, I strongly recommend a dentist, a health club membership or a strenuous job(try cable or construction or something like that). I also recommend no further commissions be taken by you. Ever. As I recall, complaints against you by those who you took money from without delivering product were the primary reason I first suggested that some fandom members create an art brokerage association to act as intermediaries between insane artists and loony customers, neither of whom have as much business sense as kids running a lemonade stand.

Mike, just calm down and let it pass. You're only going to be inspired to get things going at a.f.f worse than me again bring all the fruitcakes and fruitflies out to defend and circle the wagons. In the end, the dumbfuck furverts and lifelessstylers will be doing a pious victimhood by proxy thing on Brian's coattails and it will only be harder to get through to them, necessitating the use of cattle prods and tasers which although fun aren't as effective as leading them around by the nose straight into the shitty messes they've made of themselves.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 6:35:17 AM     Post subject:  

...that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").


There's fanboys actually able to get laid by paying for it? When did this happen? :twisted:

And what's with this continued dissing of girls in furry who like sex? Jeez, you know it could be worse in soooo many ways. Come to think of it, it HAS been worse in soooo many ways.

Furry guys who are pathetic and get together with other pathetic furry guys for sex are ragged upon night and day by the media, upscale fans, non-furries and almost everyone else I can think of, for being socially inept and getting into fandom because they're unable to have "real relationships".

So furry girls who are pathetic and get together with pathetic furry guys for sex should be held to the same standard.
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Here's the CYD Edutainment Quota for today: In a recent study of 1,000,000 teenage camwhores and 'girls who adopted extremely modified sexual behavour to become popular on the Internet', every single one of them was classified as fucked in the head. Under no circumstances should a lonely geek with a shread of common sense approuch them.


Or, to put all that into in one word: "Ashryn". :twisted:


Who dat?
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Posted: 11/4/2003 8:41:08 AM     Post subject:  

Or, to put all that into in one word: "Ashryn". :twisted:


Who dat?

Someone else can probably explain more deeply, but Ashryn was basically this really dumb insane teenage furry artist chick who was deeply into drugs and was involved in various insane lesbian relationships with other, equally fucked up druggie teenagers. She drew this angst-filled tripey furry art which was vastly overrated due to the "Whoah it's a real chick!" factor. I think she mentally exploded and drove her roommates out of whatever backwater state she was living in then vanished.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 11:21:19 AM     Post subject:  

Or, to put all that into in one word: "Ashryn". :twisted:


Who dat?

Someone else can probably explain more deeply, but Ashryn was basically this really dumb insane teenage furry artist chick who was deeply into drugs and was involved in various insane lesbian relationships with other, equally fucked up druggie teenagers. She drew this angst-filled tripey furry art which was vastly overrated due to the "Whoah it's a real chick!" factor. I think she mentally exploded and drove her roommates out of whatever backwater state she was living in then vanished.


Too true.

She cleaned out my friend's life savings (I kid you not) at the rate of $300 a month over several years. Which from which I was able to find out, she mostly spent on pot for her & her friends (I'm not going all "Nancy Reagan" against pot, but I DO think it's a pretty big waste of money, especially if it was made in such a slimy-ass manner. I'd be just as annoyed if she blew my friend's money on Krispy-Kremes. If she's gonna ruin my friend's life, I wish she would have at LEAST honored the sacrifice by using the money for something less trivial).

Poor guy was so hooked on her stuff that it was like trying to get a crackhead off his craving. I wish I had known about what she was doing to him before most of his dough was already gone.

I wish we could have a judge force her to become O'Connell's roommate for life. They would each other's worst punishment.
:twisted:

God, I cannot believe that I had been in that genre SO FUCKING LONG to be able to have known so many batshits and assholes and pissants in it over the years. I feel like I'm the "Crypt Keeper" of furrydumb, chock full of ghastly tales of furry woe and doom.


"Hello kiddies. Tonight's tale is about what happens when a die-hard fan meets up with an artist who's all too willing to give him what he wants. But in the end, she winds up getting more than what she bargained for. It's a little ditty I like to call.........'Ashes To Ashryn.'".
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Posted: 11/4/2003 2:44:13 PM     Post subject:  

...that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").


There's fanboys actually able to get laid by paying for it? When did this happen? :twisted:

And what's with this continued dissing of girls in furry who like sex? Jeez, you know it could be worse in soooo many ways. Come to think of it, it HAS been worse in soooo many ways.

Furry guys who are pathetic and get together with other pathetic furry guys for sex are ragged upon night and day by the media, upscale fans, non-furries and almost everyone else I can think of, for being socially inept and getting into fandom because they're unable to have "real relationships".

So furry girls who are pathetic and get together with pathetic furry guys for sex should be held to the same standard.


I disagree and precisely because I am bi. You have out there a tremendous number of furries who claim to be bisexual and a smaller number who again claim to be gay who are in actuality either mostly straight but willing to settle or bi with zero guts to flesh out the heterosexual side of their lives.

When I see furs getting it on with women, I think, "finally, a couple of them dug their balls out of their asses and learned to go the extra distance required to get a woman undressed rather than a fellow horny guy willing to settle.

Oddly, and I remember reading a couple articles on this a while back but I can't remember where, there's been a phenomenon of boys in American schools claiming to either be bi or gay who on investigation by psychiatric counselors were actually found to be bi but strongly hetero oriented who were simply claiming to be otherwise simply because it was politically correct and because it was an easier way to get sex than dealing with depression and self-doubt and the courtship rituals between males and females.

Furry as always is a funhouse magnifying mirror of the most dysfunctional parts of society. Furry not only welcomes but avidly encourages dysfunctional introversion and anything that supposed "mundane" society would disapprove of and wraps in a blanket of warm and fuzzy victimhood and persecution complex. The result is... well, furry sexuality. Easier to boink a stuffie with a stiffie or do another guy than ever act on the other side of your sexuality and learn to do the necessary interaction that cross-gender relationships require. Boys and girls are not just different in plumbing and the requisite socializing and bonding, even those as minimal as between some studmuffin and a nympho in Hollyweird, are the kind of thing furries eschew at all costs.

So, the more horny women coming in and the more guys willing to at least look them in the eyes and not run the other direction in overwhelming self-created fear of rejection and so on, I say the better furry is. Let's be honest. The mass media wouldn't have so much bad to say if furry wasn't dominated by guys who can't get laid except with other guys and even then they have problems bringing themselves to go through with the sex without having a nervous breakdown in fright.

If the situation were mostly hot and horny women casually screwing any guy in a fursuit they could grab, furry would be about as chased after for material as any other sexual fetish. Furry is unseemly all the more because it is so warped in its dysfunctionality and entrenched refusal to engage in the most basic of human interactions without inventing new pathologies constantly to embrace.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 2:49:21 PM     Post subject:  

"Hello kiddies. Tonight's tale is about what happens when a die-hard fan meets up with an artist who's all too willing to give him what he wants. But in the end, she winds up getting more than what she bargained for. It's a little ditty I like to call.........'Ashes To Ashryn.'".


Not to sound like a fan of you, but honestly giving credit, that ranting gryphon has nothing on you. I think that's why a.f.f explodes the way it does into a pile of drool when you nail them more seriously. I note that most people in the fandom as long as you sit quiet and lurking rather than trying to argue back while lesser dolts just keep repeating, "harem porn", "fat", and "welfare" while you when you feel like typing it out can lay out years of stuff going back well before CF8 which laid the incinerated grounds for the Burned Fur and so on.

Keep up the good stuff.
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Posted: 11/4/2003 3:00:44 PM     Post subject:  

Hot and horny women who would be prepared to screw a guy they don't know from adam in a fursuit are rather thin on the ground. Casual sex isn't something everyone engages in, or would you rather the fandom became known as the next thing to places like the tourist hotspots? A general whoredom?

Mind you I don't suppose Fetishes such as vore or unbirthing help make women want to jump them....

Then the arrogance is a turn off too...listening to someone extoll his awful furry porn is more than most women will stomach.

I mean come on, thousands of young males manage to get it together and at least give a female the I like you signs.... :?

Not to mention wearing t-shirts with the likes of Lola bunny on doesn't exactly put a girl in the mood to do the horizontal mambo :P

Courtship isn't as nerveracking as most people reckon, I mean some of the guy's who've given me the come on, make most furry guy's look a whole lot better by comparison and If those loser's can do, why can't furry's? :twisted:
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Posted: 11/5/2003 1:42:22 AM     Post subject:  

Hot and horny women who would be prepared to screw a guy they don't know from adam in a fursuit are rather thin on the ground. Casual sex isn't something everyone engages in, or would you rather the fandom became known as the next thing to places like the tourist hotspots? A general whoredom?


Well, as I see it, there's casual sex or casual killing. I've seen the latter and the former both and gotta say the former is far better for everyone concerned. And casual sex isn't as casual a thing as it sounds. If it is to you, then you're probably well adjusted enough for the interplay to be almost subliminal to you. We're talking furries here. A group notorious for inability to properly navigate the most basic of human social interaction. Casual sex between males and females is actually an improvement over most of them.

Mind you I don't suppose Fetishes such as vore or unbirthing help make women want to jump them....

Then the arrogance is a turn off too...listening to someone extoll his awful furry porn is more than most women will stomach.

I mean come on, thousands of young males manage to get it together and at least give a female the I like you signs.... :?


Well, no of course not. It would require putting all that crap aside to busy themselves with finding out what the females wanted, and so on. A kind of confidence from the merest success is definitely needed to bolster further confidence and leave it behind.

Not to mention wearing t-shirts with the likes of Lola bunny on doesn't exactly put a girl in the mood to do the horizontal mambo :P

Courtship isn't as nerveracking as most people reckon, I mean some of the guy's who've given me the come on, make most furry guy's look a whole lot better by comparison and If those loser's can do, why can't furry's? :twisted:


That's the question. Why not furries? Simply put: the fandom has continuously welcomed people of such astounding inability to cope with things the average human takes for granted that they've amassed a giant codependent enabler sort of gathering where they can become worse and worse while ever increasing their delusions that this is all okay when deep down, they know it isn't and eventually, despair and either change for the better or total collapse into obscurity and pathetic loserdom.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 5:44:58 AM     Post subject:  

God, I cannot believe that I had been in that genre SO FUCKING LONG to be able to have known so many batshits and assholes and pissants in it over the years. I feel like I'm the "Crypt Keeper" of furrydumb, chock full of ghastly tales of furry woe and doom.

Someone I'd really love to see here is Paul Kidd. That man has suffered enough shit from artists for 10 CYD forums. (This is also a guy who can rate your 'name' furry artists by the number of wallets they've stolen...)
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Posted: 11/5/2003 7:09:32 AM     Post subject:  

This makes me incredibly sad. I consider myself a 'furry' but people like Brian here just make me want to say fuck it and just leave. You know, the thing he likes to claim to everyone else they do to him. OH NOES HE IS SO BITER ABTUO TEH FANDOMS.

By the way, would everyone like to see an old log off furrymuck from about '98? It's -classic- BO at his finest. Rimona is DarkKitten if you couldn't tell.

http://www.warskunk.com/~seg/random/tfiles/boc.txt

He still pulls this on a regular basis. It's not as fun though since I don't think he can afford to get shitfaced every night anymore. That and he's got THE WHOLE FREAKING MUCK GAGGED.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 8:38:19 AM     Post subject:  

God, I cannot believe that I had been in that genre SO FUCKING LONG to be able to have known so many batshits and assholes and pissants in it over the years. I feel like I'm the "Crypt Keeper" of furrydumb, chock full of ghastly tales of furry woe and doom.

Someone I'd really love to see here is Paul Kidd. That man has suffered enough shit from artists for 10 CYD forums. (This is also a guy who can rate your 'name' furry artists by the number of wallets they've stolen...)


Don't hold your hopes up for Paul. Personal experience has shown him to be just as much of a backstabbing asshat as the rest of them. Furry's his main (if not only) claim to fame and meal-ticket after all. And much like Tamar or Caddell, they'll be just as much an eager member of the furry lynch mob if they think that their furrydumb racket is being put in jeopardy.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 8:48:17 AM     Post subject:  

Someone else can probably explain more deeply, but Ashryn was basically this really dumb insane teenage furry artist chick who was deeply into drugs and was involved in various insane lesbian relationships with other, equally fucked up druggie teenagers. She drew this angst-filled tripey furry art which was vastly overrated due to the "Whoah it's a real chick!" factor. I think she mentally exploded and drove her roommates out of whatever backwater state she was living in then vanished.


actually shes still around it seems , i was just scanning recent uploads at yerf and i saw something she did 11/1/03


she also lists her home page
http://ashryn.parodius.com/

the art actually looks pretty good small amount of it i seen (i didnt go to other galleries, i only seen the 1 pic on yerf and the front page of this site...bandwidth reasons ...and also i dont really feel like checking out anything on 'pureyiff')
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Posted: 11/5/2003 8:51:45 AM     Post subject:  

...that goes to cons and leeches money out of desperate fanboys in trade for sexual favours (if you can call sleeping with her a "favour").


There's fanboys actually able to get laid by paying for it? When did this happen? :twisted:

And what's with this continued dissing of girls in furry who like sex? Jeez, you know it could be worse in soooo many ways. Come to think of it, it HAS been worse in soooo many ways.

Furry guys who are pathetic and get together with other pathetic furry guys for sex are ragged upon night and day by the media, upscale fans, non-furries and almost everyone else I can think of, for being socially inept and getting into fandom because they're unable to have "real relationships".

So furry girls who are pathetic and get together with pathetic furry guys for sex should be held to the same standard.


I disagree and precisely because I am bi. You have out there a tremendous number of furries who claim to be bisexual and a smaller number who again claim to be gay who are in actuality either mostly straight but willing to settle or bi with zero guts to flesh out the heterosexual side of their lives.


You don't think pathetic losers should be laughed at because you're bi? What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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Posted: 11/5/2003 11:05:05 AM     Post subject:  



the art actually looks pretty good small amount of it i seen (i didnt go to other galleries, i only seen the 1 pic on yerf and the front page of this site...bandwidth reasons ...and also i dont really feel like checking out anything on 'pureyiff')


I’d say that the art is BAD.
Technically she is quite good, from what I see on yerf.
However she draws the same old stuff over and over and over and her style is not distinctive or interesting and no effort is made to do anything other than tedious and generic furry "charecters".;

Just another one of those rubbishy female angst artists, who plague “furry” liken unto a drowned man to water.

A creative void, barren of meaningful inspiration or interest.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 2:04:31 PM     Post subject:  

God, I cannot believe that I had been in that genre SO FUCKING LONG to be able to have known so many batshits and assholes and pissants in it over the years. I feel like I'm the "Crypt Keeper" of furrydumb, chock full of ghastly tales of furry woe and doom.

Someone I'd really love to see here is Paul Kidd. That man has suffered enough shit from artists for 10 CYD forums. (This is also a guy who can rate your 'name' furry artists by the number of wallets they've stolen...)

The "Tank Vixens" guy, yes? I'd love to hear his tales, but I'll bet he wouldn't want to be associated with this site.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 7:39:00 PM     Post subject:  

God, I cannot believe that I had been in that genre SO FUCKING LONG to be able to have known so many batshits and assholes and pissants in it over the years. I feel like I'm the "Crypt Keeper" of furrydumb, chock full of ghastly tales of furry woe and doom.

Someone I'd really love to see here is Paul Kidd. That man has suffered enough shit from artists for 10 CYD forums. (This is also a guy who can rate your 'name' furry artists by the number of wallets they've stolen...)

The "Tank Vixens" guy, yes? I'd love to hear his tales, but I'll bet he wouldn't want to be associated with this site.


Like I said, Paul is too dependent on the mad phuree money to dare risk his gravy-train. And he's just as much a part of that messed-up culture as Merlino (albeit not in a sexual sense, but more of the dirty fan political sense), IMO.
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Posted: 11/5/2003 9:45:31 PM     Post subject: "Artists shouldn't Write"  

Don't hold your hopes up for Paul. Personal experience has shown him to be just as much of a backstabbing asshat as the rest of them.

I can see that being true...

The last time I met up with the guy in a non-convention setting (not that I've ever been to a convention, sans the non-furry OzCon5...) was at his old place in Melbourne in 1997, and the likes of Joe Rosales, Tom Verre, Michelle Light, &etc., had just done runners with several thousand dollars because they decided to have a seachange only just after taking his money, and using bullshit stories as a cover. His intention after also having burnt bridges with the computer game industry was to hit the Anime (writing) scene.

Still, he has a propensity to let loose with all the dirt and bitching for hours on end to an appreciative audience... ("Rumour has it that a chair gets pregnant in the next few issues of Shanda.. Bloody Curtises and their "we can't have children, so let's make everything in our comics pregnant instead" fetish.")

It was him who I heard about Michelle Light being involved with a UFO cult. Anyone know more?
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Posted: 11/6/2003 12:08:09 AM     Post subject: Re: "Artists shouldn't Write"  

Don't hold your hopes up for Paul. Personal experience has shown him to be just as much of a backstabbing asshat as the rest of them.

I can see that being true...

The last time I met up with the guy in a non-convention setting (not that I've ever been to a convention, sans the non-furry OzCon5...) was at his old place in Melbourne in 1997, and the likes of Joe Rosales, Tom Verre, Michelle Light, &etc., had just done runners with several thousand dollars because they decided to have a seachange only just after taking his money, and using bullshit stories as a cover. His intention after also having burnt bridges with the computer game industry was to hit the Anime (writing) scene.

Still, he has a propensity to let loose with all the dirt and bitching for hours on end to an appreciative audience... ("Rumour has it that a chair gets pregnant in the next few issues of Shanda.. Bloody Curtises and their "we can't have children, so let's make everything in our comics pregnant instead" fetish.")

It was him who I heard about Michelle Light being involved with a UFO cult. Anyone know more?


Just remember that Paul seems to have contempt for EVERYONE (exept for Paul Kidd, of course). He'd be just as happy being as much a bastard towards CYD as he would be at the furries. Only thing Paul cares about is Paul (and maybe those who may be of some use to Paul, like Gallacci once was).

As for Michelle, that's a new one on me. Imagine the vast amounts of energy used on the anti-grav drive just to get HER off the ground! Would truly require the skill of an advanced species. And I feel pity towards the poor ET that has to give her the anal-probe? I guess that's one of Kif's ancestors. :twisted:
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Posted: 11/6/2003 1:02:28 AM     Post subject:  

You don't think pathetic losers should be laughed at because you're bi? What the hell does that have to do with anything?


No, I disagree that loose women in furry should be laughed at. If anything they need to be ENCOURAGED. Why does me being bi bear on this? Because truly functional bisexuals usually start out as hetero and expand into being bi while furries on the other hand are almost entirely hetero virgins who've merely given up on ever getting laid with a female and so are settling. Such dysfunctional wimps are not needed among the gay and bi crowd any more than those flouncy little lisping twits in hot pants wearing nipple clamps in public under their t-shirts.

As a an older gay friend of mine put it, the biggest problem with homosexuality is the people who practice it. i.e., who you're associated with because they leech on the whole thing. The vast majority of gay/bi/lesbian men and women are pretty frigging normal and boring. It's a small smattering of total pricks who embrace their self-invented victimhood and a much larger group who, afraid they'll go down with the first group, defend them and cloak them and give them the mantle of respectability. Those determined not to accept the weirdos usually end up called traitors or keep silently to themselves.

Sounds like furry to me.

So there's two counts in which the furries are screwing things up. Making gay/bi/lesbian people look really bad and making anthropomorphics look bad. Similar to encouraging furries to try real females(which they do truly have an interest in usually), furries need to be encourage to do anything EXCEPT sit soaking in furry. Like getting away from the computer, away from the comics, and out to the library or movie theater or mall or some other place with things that don't have anything to do with furry.

The best thing for nearly every furry fanboy out there is to get them laid with a female, severely drunk, and spend a night playing pool at a biker bar followed by a weekend as far from anything furry as possible. Instead of 18 straight hours of FurryMUCK, Usenet, and IRC. Instead of whacking off to the latest gay spooge wishing they could get some sausage because they've already written off tuna. Instead of fursuiting for no better reason than to freak mundanes and make themselves targets so they can justify their victimhood nonsense after the fact.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 6:27:12 AM     Post subject:  

I think you're totally off the mark. You're running under the assumption that most gay furries are jailhouse gay because they can't get laid by girls. I, having spent a lot of time in furrydom too, and being gay, can state with authority that the bulk of gay furries are, in actuality, gay. They come to furry because it's a way to meet other gay losers that can't get laid, so they can all hook up and get laid. The furry veneer is just an excuse. Most of them already identify as queer before joining furry fandom or even finding out about it. Most of them are terrible socially because of this fact.

Of course, there's lots of jailhouse gay people and "bisexuals" who can't handle a real penis being shoved in their face. There's lots of that outside furrydom too.

I'm not defending furrydom here, of course. It's full of social misfits and rejects and nutcases. But flawed understandings of fandom make fandom more difficult to appreciate.

In addition, because furry is now more of a fetish than an anthropomorphics appreciation fandom, the number of social misfits and queer folk entering it will only continue to steadily increase while people solely appreciating anthropomorphism will fade away. Sure, most furries who see it as a fetish appreciate anthropomorphics too, but they appreciate it in a sexual sense, not an artistic sense.

I don't see why loose women in furry should be encouraged, since there's no reason to encourage loose men in furry. They're all there for the same base reason: They came to furry to fuck. If you feel furry is about anthropomorphic appreciation, then people coming into it for the purpose of using it as a veneer to find easy sex partners would be against the principles of the fandom. If you view it as a fetish, then that's what they're in furrydom for.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 7:58:08 AM     Post subject:  

ya

im with bobby on this one...i think

every other fandom is about what they are fans OF
yeah you have freak fans ..but thats all they are

the point of furry has become the fans themselves ...

how the fuck did the fandom ever get so twisted around that the sexuality of the fans themselves played a part of anything ??

wayd, you focus WAY TOO much on the sex

i personally do not give a shit about hardly any furry fans themselves
and along those same lines i dont give a fuck what they are doing either


basically
furry fandom is ASS - BACKWARDS IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE IMAGINABLE WAY
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:18:02 AM     Post subject:  

Kinda off topic and this is gonna make me look really stupid, but what's that picture in your signature supposed to be, Bobby? Isn't that the dogthing from Mom and Dad Save the World?
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:21:04 AM     Post subject:  

Kinda off topic and this is gonna make me look really stupid, but what's that picture in your signature supposed to be, Bobby? Isn't that the dogthing from Mom and Dad Save the World?

Watch Kubrick's "The Shining" (1980) sometime.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:30:25 AM     Post subject:  

Oh, of course! Now I recognize it.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:49:26 AM     Post subject:  

Oh, of course! Now I recognize it.


I've seen that movie, and I still don't remember seeing that image.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:56:58 AM     Post subject:  

Oh, of course! Now I recognize it.


I've seen that movie, and I still don't remember seeing that image.


ya i dont remember it either , but it does seem familiar


creepy image either way
(i like it )

i wish i had been able to buy that "haunted painting" that went up for sale on ebay a year or 2 ago

i recently mentioned it to the llewelyn guy on Eat all furries , because his avatar is the dolls face from that painting
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Posted: 11/6/2003 9:54:47 AM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 10:04:31 AM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.


ok i guess i dont remember that after all

thats pretty damn weird



appropriate sig tho
a hotel remembering its horrifyign furry con from the past


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Posted: 11/6/2003 10:11:31 AM     Post subject:  

If only Kubrick knew what people would be doing 20 years after that movie was filmed.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 1:39:27 PM     Post subject:  

Wayd> :shock: You expect us females to go around screwing the guy's in furry and expect it to magically make them normal? or about as normal as they're gonna get?

Got news for you buddy, Most furry females, aka the one's you don't hear about have morals and with the amount of Gay sex in the fandumb who the hell want's HIV?

People are inheritantly Bisexual anyway, those who are hetero just lean more strongly in the direction of the opposite sex. And having heard about some of the Males you think would be normal if they got laid and stuff, I think they'd turn Hetero Sex down if offered on a platter.

If you knew anything then you'd know that your sexuality is hardwired into your genetic's, Scientists have recently proven this so you can't change or suddenly become attracted to the same sex unless you already have the impetuous for it within you. :roll:
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Posted: 11/6/2003 6:45:04 PM     Post subject:  

Wayd> :shock: You expect us females to go around screwing the guy's in furry and expect it to magically make them normal? or about as normal as they're gonna get?


Well, considering most of them are jailhouse gay to begin with it's not funny. I have met maybe three dozen truely gay men in the furry fandom, maybe two dozen truely bi men in the furry fandom. The rest that call themselves bi or gay are just jailhousers who can't get laid to begin with.


Got news for you buddy, Most furry females, aka the one's you don't hear about have morals and with the amount of Gay sex in the fandumb who the hell want's HIV?


Amazingly enough there is a lot of testing in the furry fandom. I know just about every gay, bi, and jailhouse queer guys I know get tested twice a year.


People are inheritantly Bisexual anyway, those who are hetero just lean more strongly in the direction of the opposite sex. And having heard about some of the Males you think would be normal if they got laid and stuff, I think they'd turn Hetero Sex down if offered on a platter.


Easily. Again, most are just jailhouse queer.
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Posted: 11/6/2003 8:38:23 PM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.


Oh dear God! These were supposed to be images from the past, but King & Kubrick were predicting the future of furry fandom!! OMFG!!!!

That's it! I'm going right over to my WalMart DVD rental club, renting out this film, and making damn sure for myself. If so, that bit is DEFINATELY going into my "Furries of Horror" video collection.

Man, I wonder if I should gather up all the stuff I've got (the Mtv special, Kimmel, CSI, good old camcorder video shot at "The Prancing Skiltaire" and of "Bondage Bob", and other notorious furries and make a special compilation DVD. Too bad I'd never be able to sell any copies on Furbid though. <g>
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Posted: 11/6/2003 9:14:22 PM     Post subject:  

wayd> how about proving they are just jailhouse Queer, stating something does not make it true, and probably most of them would affirm that they are gay and be quite insulted.
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Posted: 11/7/2003 12:10:26 AM     Post subject:  

I think you're totally off the mark. You're running under the assumption that most gay furries are jailhouse gay because they can't get laid by girls. I, having spent a lot of time in furrydom too, and being gay, can state with authority that the bulk of gay furries are, in actuality, gay. They come to furry because it's a way to meet other gay losers that can't get laid, so they can all hook up and get laid. The furry veneer is just an excuse. Most of them already identify as queer before joining furry fandom or even finding out about it. Most of them are terrible socially because of this fact.


But these aren't the worst example generally. The worst example are usually as I said in my experience. Yes, there are those who were gay long before furry and are just out to get laid. No different than the cretins who muck up Provincetown(like the dipshits who made Stormy Harbor such a freaking problem).

Of course, there's also the several tens of furs who've contacted me by chat about sex and life and so on who start out claiming to like guys over girls but after a while of careful listening and then replying honestly, admit that they've really wanted to be with women but they're afraid beyond description. Like a ten year old afraid to give a girl in class flowers, but arrested in that state for years and years, with their unending hormonal drives, and so they become terribly screwed up more and more. Without encouragements to the contrary, they settle.

It doesn't help that the already gay trollops are increasing in profusion at the same time.

Of course, there's lots of jailhouse gay people and "bisexuals" who can't handle a real penis being shoved in their face. There's lots of that outside furrydom too.


Not nearly so many in my experience. Outside furry, if a guy is considering trying it, he will generally not collapse into a pile of sweat and fear and finding the most idiotic excuses to not go through with it. In furry, they'll chat you up forever as if they've waited all their life to get going with you and then when they have the chance to meet face to face, have all sorts of reasons not to. I could care less in the end really as the interaction tells me a lot about them and is invariably more valuable than anything they tried to promise so badly. I've learned quite a lot about a lot of furries and know they are so badly lonely and messed up generally. Deeply pained lonely and have come to a place which endlessly shields them from ever dealing with it.

I'm not defending furrydom here, of course. It's full of social misfits and rejects and nutcases. But flawed understandings of fandom make fandom more difficult to appreciate.

In addition, because furry is now more of a fetish than an anthropomorphics appreciation fandom, the number of social misfits and queer folk entering it will only continue to steadily increase while people solely appreciating anthropomorphism will fade away. Sure, most furries who see it as a fetish appreciate anthropomorphics too, but they appreciate it in a sexual sense, not an artistic sense.

I don't see why loose women in furry should be encouraged, since there's no reason to encourage loose men in furry. They're all there for the same base reason: They came to furry to fuck. If you feel furry is about anthropomorphic appreciation, then people coming into it for the purpose of using it as a veneer to find easy sex partners would be against the principles of the fandom. If you view it as a fetish, then that's what they're in furrydom for.


No, I think that the lonely guys who are screwed up virgins need to deal with their fears and get it over with. I have known a number of furs who when they first approached me seemed confirmed gay and the sort who generally embarass places like San Francisco. The total loon sort. After a while of dealing with them online, they seemed to fade from the fandom before coming back many months later and simply noting they'd left furry, got decent job, and had a girlfriend.

It's been my experience that a lot of guys who claim to have no interest in women, generally do. My wife and I visit Provincetown every year to see a family member who lives there and every year, openly gay and proud of it guys make a move on my wife's rack and rear. I subscribe to the position that the vast majority of both straights and gays are actually bi to various degrees. I also believe it's unhealthy to deny that. If you're happy with what you have going, more power to you. But so many in furry aren't and need to be. But that ain't happening in the codependent enabler world of furry.
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Posted: 11/7/2003 12:40:33 AM     Post subject:  

wayd> how about proving they are just jailhouse Queer, stating something does not make it true, and probably most of them would affirm that they are gay and be quite insulted.


Then lets take the case of Lord Ryven for example. Well known gay basher and homophobic moron.

He has make threts towards many a gay man, including a now boardmember of the Anthrocon board of directors. He was militantly straight until about a year ago when he got drunk and started to fondle some guy. This led, of course, to sex.

Now flames like your average gay pride parade walker set on fire and dancing in a Exxon gas station.
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Posted: 11/7/2003 8:04:32 AM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.


Oh dear God! These were supposed to be images from the past, but King & Kubrick were predicting the future of furry fandom!! OMFG!!!!

That's it! I'm going right over to my WalMart DVD rental club, renting out this film, and making damn sure for myself. If so, that bit is DEFINATELY going into my "Furries of Horror" video collection.

Man, I wonder if I should gather up all the stuff I've got (the Mtv special, Kimmel, CSI, good old camcorder video shot at "The Prancing Skiltaire" and of "Bondage Bob", and other notorious furries and make a special compilation DVD. Too bad I'd never be able to sell any copies on Furbid though. <g>


dude, if you ever splice a bunch of clips together and make a little compilation video ..

you HAVE TO set it to the Anti-Nowhere League's song "Animal"

that would be MEAN :lol:
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Posted: 11/7/2003 6:08:10 PM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.


Oh dear God! These were supposed to be images from the past, but King & Kubrick were predicting the future of furry fandom!! OMFG!!!!

That's it! I'm going right over to my WalMart DVD rental club, renting out this film, and making damn sure for myself. If so, that bit is DEFINATELY going into my "Furries of Horror" video collection.

Man, I wonder if I should gather up all the stuff I've got (the Mtv special, Kimmel, CSI, good old camcorder video shot at "The Prancing Skiltaire" and of "Bondage Bob", and other notorious furries and make a special compilation DVD. Too bad I'd never be able to sell any copies on Furbid though. <g>


dude, if you ever splice a bunch of clips together and make a little compilation video ..

you HAVE TO set it to the Anti-Nowhere League's song "Animal"

that would be MEAN :lol:

Plus a completely deadpan narration, nature program style, in a nice English accent.

Michael, you have GOT to somehow rip that camcorder footage of yours to an AVI. I can see this becoming a cult classic with the right editing and soundtrack ;)
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Posted: 11/7/2003 7:01:17 PM     Post subject:  

Towards the end when the mother is running through the hotel and the hotel is coming alive, the hotel starts to "show" her scenes of terror experienced there in the past. One of the scenes is a man in a furry costume seen giving another man fellatio, then stopping, both men look out the door of the hotel room right at her. Camera zooms in. It's rather horrible.


Oh dear God! These were supposed to be images from the past, but King & Kubrick were predicting the future of furry fandom!! OMFG!!!!

That's it! I'm going right over to my WalMart DVD rental club, renting out this film, and making damn sure for myself. If so, that bit is DEFINATELY going into my "Furries of Horror" video collection.

Man, I wonder if I should gather up all the stuff I've got (the Mtv special, Kimmel, CSI, good old camcorder video shot at "The Prancing Skiltaire" and of "Bondage Bob", and other notorious furries and make a special compilation DVD. Too bad I'd never be able to sell any copies on Furbid though. <g>


dude, if you ever splice a bunch of clips together and make a little compilation video ..

you HAVE TO set it to the Anti-Nowhere League's song "Animal"

that would be MEAN :lol:

Plus a completely deadpan narration, nature program style, in a nice English accent.

Michael, you have GOT to somehow rip that camcorder footage of yours to an AVI. I can see this becoming a cult classic with the right editing and soundtrack ;)


If only I had the ability.

I *could* however, provide the talented soul all the raw material onto a DVD-R and see what someone (who has a drive that can read it) could do with it, however.
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Posted: 11/11/2003 7:31:19 AM     Post subject:  


If only I had the ability.

I *could* however, provide the talented soul all the raw material onto a DVD-R and see what someone (who has a drive that can read it) could do with it, however.


Sadly, I'm in no condition to recieve the footage, or I'd take you up on that offer. Hold on to it though; no matter what you do, hold on to it!
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Posted: 11/11/2003 7:50:15 AM     Post subject:  


If only I had the ability.

I *could* however, provide the talented soul all the raw material onto a DVD-R and see what someone (who has a drive that can read it) could do with it, however.


Sadly, I'm in no condition to recieve the footage, or I'd take you up on that offer. Hold on to it though; no matter what you do, hold on to it!


Oh, I plan to, much like a French resistance fighter documenting nazi atrocities.

Just to give you guys an idea of the horrors I have on video:


1. A brief tour of Mark Merlino's House, the "Prancing Skiltaire" (circa 1990)

2. A brief stop at Steve Martin's place (includes video of the "Shower Goddess" mural) and Steve's studio

3. Bondage Bob talking with Fred Perry about how Mitch Beiro "he saw me and took off" (gee, I wonder why that was, Dennis?). Seeing Bob trying to get Smurf porn from professional artists is both entertaining and disturbing.

4. Kevin Duane trying to talk Shawn Keller into signing his soul over to him "cuz this anti-furry thing is the future I'm tellin' ya. Join up with my company and I can really take you places with it". (Yeah Kevin. To Suckerville, most likely).

5. Assorted asshats (Lance Rund, Wolf Kidd, etc.)

6. Steve Martin getting silly-stringed by Groat, Schwartz, and a few others at Philcon '92. Steve was _not_ pleased with the attention.

7. One panel at Comic-Con 1991, which had Fred Patten, Terrie Smith, and some unknown guy who was only asked to be on the panel because he drew the "Planet of the Apes" comic. Almost shit myself laughing when in mid-panel, this guy just simply gets up and walks out of the room, right there in the middle of the panel in progress, never to return (AND NONE OF THE FURRIES EVER EVEN BOTHERED TO NOTICE BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL MESMERISED WITH WHAT TERRIE WAS SAYING!).

And all sorts of other odds (and odder) & ends. Furries used to bitch at me since I was almost always with a camcorder wherever I went. Now I know why they were so upset about it.
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Posted: 11/11/2003 9:07:34 AM     Post subject:  

Send 'em to me, I'll be happy to convert them from VHS to DiVX for convenient web upload. ;)
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Posted: 11/11/2003 11:08:07 AM     Post subject:  

Send 'em to me, I'll be happy to convert them from VHS to DiVX for convenient web upload. ;)


I don't do VHS anymore. Only DVD-R. When I got my DVD recorder, everything gets patched through it now (even my VHS is outbound only).

If you know if your DVD drive can handle DVD-R discs, you can rip them a lot easier than anu VHS to AVI conversion.
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Posted: 11/14/2003 1:33:16 AM     Post subject:  


dude, if you ever splice a bunch of clips together and make a little compilation video ..

you HAVE TO set it to the Anti-Nowhere League's song "Animal"

that would be MEAN :lol:


Even better: Deadbolt's "El Perversio".
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Posted: 11/14/2003 2:57:41 AM     Post subject:  

If you want Dead-pan delivery of the horrible, get the voice-over guy from
the "banned from television" tape series, He's fucking amazing.

He actually made jokes in reference to the horrible shit on the screen that somehow made it less horrible to watch. Like the guy blowing his brains out on the highway, he immediately quotes after the act "mmmm...thats some headache."

My god, it make editing all that ghastly freakjob footage together worth it just to have dead-pan humoristic commentary!
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Posted: 11/14/2003 6:38:49 AM     Post subject:  

Send 'em to me, I'll be happy to convert them from VHS to DiVX for convenient web upload. ;)


I don't do VHS anymore. Only DVD-R. When I got my DVD recorder, everything gets patched through it now (even my VHS is outbound only).

If you know if your DVD drive can handle DVD-R discs, you can rip them a lot easier than anu VHS to AVI conversion.

Mine can, yes. I'm rather competent at making DiVX movies, so I could convert the footage. Actually, you could probably do it yourself if you have a machine decent enough to support a DVD-R drive.

But yes, my offer still stands, send them to me and I can convert them.
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Posted: 11/14/2003 6:48:17 AM     Post subject:  

Send 'em to me, I'll be happy to convert them from VHS to DiVX for convenient web upload. ;)


I don't do VHS anymore. Only DVD-R. When I got my DVD recorder, everything gets patched through it now (even my VHS is outbound only).

If you know if your DVD drive can handle DVD-R discs, you can rip them a lot easier than anu VHS to AVI conversion.

Mine can, yes. I'm rather competent at making DiVX movies, so I could convert the footage. Actually, you could probably do it yourself if you have a machine decent enough to support a DVD-R drive.

But yes, my offer still stands, send them to me and I can convert them.


Send me an email at "mhirtes@mailexcite.com" and let's see what we can figure out. :D
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