Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Blair · Rasophore Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 52

I think theres more than one artist in the fandom who could use some ass-kicking brought to full tilt as it were. Theres a few things that get off the radar, as i keep seeing more and more of it at cons.

Ageplay. It seems like a trendy turn among some artists who see it fit to
draw anything younger than 8 fucking anything older than 18. Steve martin has been doing it for ages, so have some others, but thanks to sites like Cubcentral.org and treehouse, with the okakies from hell, its becoming, christ jesus help me, POPULAR?

I'll take exploding dickgirl art over 5 year olds fucking anyday.

What in the hell is WRONG with these fucking tardmonkies???

Its not like i had any respect for some artists in the first place, but this
shit makes me murderous.

Because unlike giant panthers pissing on a city populace or tentecle rape,
this pedophile shit is real.

I wouldn't be fucking suprised that some of these motherfuckers are actually doing it.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

The explosion in adult babies in furrydom is frightening and horrible. Adult babies creep me the fuck out.

The adult babies seem to very strongly deny being involved in pedophilia. Can't say for sure if they're full of it or not, since I am, thankfully, not an adult baby nor do I know any personally. A good number of them seem not to be, anyways.

Mostly I don't like adult babies because a much larger than normal percentage ARE pedophiles. That and it's an incredibly retarded fetish. Furry is a fetish which can be related to. Wanting to dress up in diapers so you can shit yourself is just vile.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

why this shit isnt stomped out as soon as it appears is mind-boggling

oh well

the mother of all wake-up calls is going to come eventually

it will probably resemble when that guy from dragon-con got arrested

a lot of the shit found around furry fandom is proof that once in a great while - outright hostility CAN be a solution

these people wouldnt have found safe haven in the fandom but instead they were welcomed with open arms

in fact, even moreso , furry fandom is the perfect example of what happens to groups that are completely, totally incapable of self-criticism

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

why this shit isnt stomped out as soon as it appears is mind-boggling

The con’s themselves have been allowed to be infiltrated by people of dubious providence. Like feral and animal abusers. Or Anthrocon, The guy who is in charge of the tables is a self admitted animal abuser to name but one.

And thus of course they refuse to do anything about the dubious stuff at all, even giving their tacit approval to the worst stuff, since it interests themselves and it simply encourages more and more dubious elements to attach themselves.

Fie, It's a self fufilling phrophecy.

the mother of all wake-up calls is going to come eventually

it will probably resemble when that guy from dragon-con got arrested

Was he convicted?
I just did a search for it, and it seems to look like it happend in 2001, but I could only find stuff about him being arrested then bailed.

EDIT:

Oh wait, I found it, He still seems to be awaiting trial.
Still, it doesn’t surprise me.
People have alleged in the past about There being a lot of “chickenhawk” furry artists or people involved. I guess it’s all the teenage males. Like flies to honey eh.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Actually the baby fetish is based on a submissive need to be loved...it's harmless...

The cub art makes me wanna go postal on some sicko's ass, I'm likely to flatten anyone who ever askes me to draw a underage character in that situation....Cub art is just pedophilia disguised and should be stamped out. :x

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Certain peoples I know will be just tickled pink to hear that B**** O'C****** used to be into "age play". Couple that to his known taste for Young Furry Chicks and don't we have a pretty pretty picture?

Whoa what a delightful character!

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

why this shit isnt stomped out as soon as it appears is mind-boggling

Sadly, until they actually do something and are cought doing it not much can be done. Most of the known pedos in the furry fandom are very careful not to keep an evidence around (ie. pictures, phone numbers of kids, and such). A couple have been investigated.

these people wouldnt have found safe haven in the fandom but instead they were welcomed with open arms

in fact, even moreso , furry fandom is the perfect example of what happens to groups that are completely, totally incapable of self-criticism

Oh, the fandom itself is very capable of self criticism. Look at any number of folks, myself and bobby included, who are still in the fandom and still point out the freaks and laugh. The problem is that a good number of people have blinders on and only want to see the good in people so they can have friends, be it someone worth having as a friend or some freak more likely to jerk off in your hair while you are passed out from drinking so much because your id is screaming in your year that you are a loser because the jizzmonster is the only friend you can get.

Tussan · Recusant Joined: 05 Jun 2003 Posts: 9

er um.. yeah, if theres more than cub central. why not check out the kit n kay bootle comic i just stumbled aross not too long ago.

its some real scary shit out there. similar to looking at XXX version of common children books.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

er um.. yeah, if theres more than cub central. why not check out the kit n kay bootle comic i just stumbled aross not too long ago.

its some real scary shit out there. similar to looking at XXX version of common children books.

Art style aside, the most frightening aspect of Kit n Kay Bootle would have to be his most recent storyline.

:cry:

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

What the hell is wrong with Kat Ellis. That Kit & Kay strip has turned like 500% worse ever since the "yiff snow" storyline with a bunch of guest characters in it. The strip is basically an in-joke between a bunch of furry artists who seem to have some sort of wacky wife swapping thing going on.

The only thing worse than horrible sex comic storylines is horrible sex artist clique comic storylines.

Also, as I scroll through the strips I see Gene Catlow. He's a lollathon. Puritan Christian god-fearing "breasts and penises are evil tools of satan" G-rated nutcase meets a furry chick within his ethnic group, throws the whole Christianity schtick out the window, bangs her, then turns into a sex-crazed loon. I love watching the hypocrisy tree bloom. However, anyhing which can get a man out of the grip of the church isn't ALL bad.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Room sex parties at furry cons with underage participants, usually in the 15-17 range, are well known but denied. I checked out Cub Central to see what the fuss was about and while some was sophmoric a lot more, the majority, was severely disturbed. Not unlike a lot of the anime kiddy stuff. I'm not so much concerned that they'd cross the line as that's like worrying their obsession with big breasted females in the art means they'll fuck a woman for certain any chance they get because quite frankly we all know they won't. But it IS NOT a good sign.

Yet another example of furry tendencies to say FUCK OFF to society's rules and do whatever they want, specifically because they aren't supposed to. Invent a new taboo, make sure it is held firm by the majority in society, and furries will inevitably find a way to wrap furry around it and claim it is OK. I'm surprised they haven't made incest into a religion. Actually... genetic replicative fading due to severe inbreeding would explain some of the people in furry...

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I don't know if I'd classify the Babyfur interest as "harmless" -- there's definitely something more than just a "submissive desire to be loved" going on.

Check this site:

http://www.furryjadefox.com/gallery/index.php

The emphasis on the urination and filled diapers speaks of some serious damage. I have a hard time imagining people jerking off to this, but apparently they must.

More frightening are pictures of these people. I believe there are some folks out there whose crimes are written on their faces. I think the folks in these snaps of an Anthrocon diaper party definitely qualify. Check out the giant dildo prominently featured in one shot.

http://www.babyfur.org/

Here's another Model Citizen:

http://www.lilpup.com/

Dig this pic of him. If I saw this guy in a police lineup I'd say "Yes, officer! He's guilty -- I don't know of what, but he's definitely guilty!"

http://www.lilpup.com/photos/view.php?cat=pup01&type=jpg&id=pup0108

Note how under his "Events" tab he cheerfully lists FC, AC, the Pawpet Megaplex and Mephit Furmeet as "upcoming "AB/DL/Babyfur" events (what the heck does 'DL' mean anyway?) This is particularly charming because of the description given of the Pawpet Megaplax as "a weekend packed full of GOOD CLEAN FUN!" Hmm... someone is delusional here. As has been said many times before, furry fandom is a cesspool because people like this aren't told to keep their fetishes at home. Instead of keeping their desires the private shame they should be, they are encouraged by meeting people who will accept them without question. You may think it's mean or rude to confront someone about this stuff and tell them it has no place in furry fandom... but if you don't and you passively allow these people to flaunt their freakishess, you have given up the right to complain about how furry fandom has gone down the shitter.

The best has been saved for last:

http://www.lildobe.net/

(check his linked LiveJournal for the AB stuff)

OK... it's one thing for someone to be a Babyfur if they're say, a computer programmer. In other words, in a position where they can't really cause harm to someone. But this chap is going to be an AIRLINE PILOT. He will hold the lives of hundreds of people in his hands.

Now when I fly, I really want to hear the calm, Southern drawl of an ex-fighter pilot coming over the intercom, assuring me that there is no emergency in the air that he couldn't possibly handle. I do NOT want to hear "Goo goo. Wadies and Gentlemen, this is your captain. I just made a poopie. Can the fwight attendant pwease come change me?"

Christ on a stick! This is on the WORLD wide web. This guy's parents could be reading this... or passengers on his plane when he gets his ATP license. Are there lots of people we encounter every day who have some secret fetish? Probably. The difference is that, as Disco Stu says, they don't feel the need to "advertise."

Check out his October 27 LiveJournal entry in which he answers some quiz questions (question 88):

"88. What should be done to child molesters?

Who's definition of child molester? Rapists should be castrated. However I see nothing wrong with informed, consensual sexual acts between people of any age."

Between people of any age. Whee. What was that again about this being a harmless submissive desire to be loved?

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

"Goo goo. Wadies and Gentlemen, this is your captain. I just made a poopie. Can the fwight attendant pwease come change me?"

This is the greatest line ever written.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

What the hell is wrong with Kat Ellis. That Kit & Kay strip has turned like 500% worse ever since the "yiff snow" storyline with a bunch of guest characters in it. The strip is basically an in-joke between a bunch of furry artists who seem to have some sort of wacky wife swapping thing going on.

Kit and Kay Boodle is the absolute most vile thing I've ever seen in my life. I've blathered at length elsewhere on these forums exactly why I hate it (though that she be pretty obvious) so I won't say it again here. I just wanted to note that saying it's 500% worse than it used to be implies that it started off at a level of quality somewhere marginally above the absolute kelvin of taste. And the first storyline involved the guy fox using his MIGHTY EJACULATION to propell the girl fox out of a pit, we know that's not true.

For extra FUNEY, check out Kat Ellis' modest contributions to the Atrocity Archive. Even without the crazy cartoon sex, he still manages to be one of the biggest tards on the site. Yay.

What's a Lollathon? Sounds like a fancy candy.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

A lollathon is, assuming a "lol" (as in the abbreviation) can be considered a noun, a marathon of such. Slang one picks up on something awful's forums and chat communities.

When Kat Ellis started Kit & Kay, I thought it was a funny one-shot kind of thing, like an off the wall wacky sex comic. It almost struck me as a parody. So I didn't consider it so bad. Immensely stupid, but not revoltingly so. And I don't mind Kat Ellis' drawing style either.

However, I'll entirely agree with your stance on the strip after the first couple storylines. Ever since the clique and guest stars thing began to creep its way into the comic, it has become more like a window into the insane sex lives of the artists depicted. Stuff I REALLY don't want to know about, so I don't read it anymore.

Regarding harmlessness of adult babies and babyfurs and such, I will agree that genuine adult babies are harmless. Creepy, but harmless. Generally the fetish seems to, as inferred above, revolve around a submissive/helpless role more than sexual attraction to children.

The problem I run into is that these "babyfurs" have exploded in population over the years. I could count the number of babyfurs I was aware of on one hand in 1996. Today there's about a thousand, I'd estimate based on the populatity of such sites as cubcentral. It's basically a peripheral fetish which is popular in furry as more nonfurries with this fetish realize they can be accepted and open about it in furry fandom, so they basically "turn furry" in order to be able to get the recognition and comfort associated with being part of a much larger and more inviting subcultural group.

And the amount of "babyfurs" into pedophilia is considerably and visibly higher than the number of adult babies outside furry fandom who are. Adult baby sites outside furry fandom generally strongly emphasize that the fetish is not pedophilia and has nothing to do with such. Sites within furry fandom do not do this nearly as much if at all, and in some instances actually condone the activity.

Pedophilia is and has always been visible in furry fandom because it can easily be disguised with the simple defense: "It's art, it's text, it's not real, it's just a fantasy". One can say that the severity of drawing underage furry characters having sex is less than the severity of drawing underage humans having sex. Personally I don't see an awful lot of difference, however adding the furry element adds an additional "layer" to the fetish which makes it slightly less thorny to scrutiny.

Blair · Rasophore Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 52

The Question of "Since its just art, theres nothing wrong with it, its just ink on a page", is just a lame excuse to candy coat the real agenda behind the art and the artists who churn it out. I wonder about this, because of all of the subjects that artists would regularly cover, pedophila would be popular?

What boggles my mind is that I personally have drawn some shit im not proud of, but i have guidelines i follow. No pedo,no scat, no beastiality, no tentecle rape. Ill draw outlandish characters to a degree fucking each other, but only when the money is right. i wont draw certain things no matter how much money is involved.

But the people on these groups are not drawing this shit because they're getting paid to do it. they're drawing it because they like it. Fuck that tardass argument " its just ink" then why are you drawing it?

Mebbe its the fantasy element of the whole thing.

I could draw paralells to Girls who draw nothing but Yaoi-Bushi manporn all the time, in fact, nothing but. StickDevil did a comic to illustrate this.
Fucking hilarious is what it is, but it seems close to the point.

http://www.con-artists.org/~stickdevil/YaoiGay.jpg

There MUST be a sane reason why so many people keep drawing
this shit. Because otherwise im inclined to belive that satan is behind the steering wheel of these Fuckbats.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

There MUST be a sane reason why so many people keep drawing this shit. Because otherwise im inclined to belive that satan is behind the steering wheel of these Fuckbats.

Because they get off on it? Obvious, I know, but I think that's all there is to it.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Ageplay. It seems like a trendy turn among some artists who see it fit to draw anything younger than 8 fucking anything older than 18. Steve martin has been doing it for ages, so have some others, but thanks to sites like Cubcentral.org and treehouse, with the okakies from hell, its becoming, christ jesus help me, POPULAR?

I wouldn't be fucking suprised that some of these motherfuckers are actually doing it.

Ageplay isn't just restricted to a group of depraved artists. (obviously) Go to any furry themed MUCK, MUD, MOO, ect...

I can't give an accurate number for the seemingly infinate amount of descriptions I've come across on Furcadia that contained "(5-13) year old (insert favorite species here) furling, her bare chest clearly showing her budding breasts. (or some soul-scarring, detailed mention of effeminate features in the case of male characters) "

...

Why? :cry:

Pederasts, beastialists, fetishists...

*shakes her head*

It really leaves me wondering if the more rabid furry crusaders out there who continuously chant "THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN! WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED BY THE MEDIA/MAN/PoE!" have ever pulled their heads out of their asses long enough to take a good look at the cesspool they so vehemently defend.

Blair · Rasophore Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 52

I feel more and more old-fashioned everyday by the fact that there are those who think there isn't enough depravity in the fandom, and someone has to invent something new for them and whatever fuckbat freak comes out of the woodworkb to wack-off to.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I could draw paralells to Girls who draw nothing but Yaoi-Bushi manporn all the time, in fact, nothing but. StickDevil did a comic to illustrate this.
Fucking hilarious is what it is, but it seems close to the point.

http://www.con-artists.org/~stickdevil/YaoiGay.jpg

There MUST be a sane reason why so many people keep drawing
this shit. Because otherwise im inclined to belive that satan is behind the steering wheel of these Fuckbats.

Knowing the women I know in the Anime fandom (of which I consider myself a member of along side the furry fandom) it's mostly the same reason some guys like lesbian porn. It doesn't make sense, because I know for a fact that lesbians don't want guys. That simple. Not hard to figure out. I watch the women in the Anime and even Furry fandom go nuts when they see two good looking guys hanging off each other but get pissed at me when I point out that they are pole sitters and not fence sitters.

It's amazing how the attractive ones are usually the gay ones, but the fugly ones are usually the bi ones... ok, no, it's not amazing one bit.

Still, it's funny as hell to watch. I get answers back like "Well, I just don't feel threatened around gay men"... then maybe you hang out with the wrong straight ones? A lot of straight guys, in both fandoms, that wont drool all over you, just gotta find them.

It's even funnier when I hear gay guys bitching because of the women drooling over them. I know one guy who has a button that he wears to cons that says "Clit Free Zone". Nothing like watching a fag hag read it and get pissed.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

Damn it! Yes, I wrote the above and I'm pissed I keep forgetting to log in.

CrazyBomber · Apocrisiary Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 41

I wouldn't be fucking suprised that some of these motherfuckers are actually doing it.

I agree with Blair.
I remember that when I was visiting Peru last summer, I saw at some argentinian channel (the hotel had cable, and I'm fluent on spanish) some news about the raping of two girls on a Buenos Aires district.

Suddenly, I figured out who could be the first suspect: the guy who drawed the newest pics posted here: http://www.furnation.com/Zorro_Re/necro.htm (Warning: Very shocking content!)

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

I wouldn't be fucking suprised that some of these motherfuckers are actually doing it.

I agree with Blair.
I remember that when I was visiting Peru last summer, I saw at some argentinian channel (the hotel had cable, and I'm fluent on spanish) some news about the raping of two girls on a Buenos Aires district.

Suddenly, I figured out who could be the first suspect: the guy who drawed the newest pics posted here: http://www.furnation.com/Zorro_Re/necro.htm (Warning: Very shocking content!)

ok, dude, nothing personal

but this is getting creepy

youve posted links to stuff about this guy in ALL 3 of your posts at this point and i distinctly remember you posting links to same URL months ago, not logged in or before you had an account set up (as a guest , but with the name crazy bomber)

why doesnt someone report this guy to furnation so they boot his account off of there..i think its against the rules
i would email them myself but i dont know where to send it

CrazyBomber · Apocrisiary Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 41

Mouse:

My apologies if I scared you, but shit like this makes me want to go postal on that sick bastard.

Searching furnation, I noticed that the abuse form and some other legalese sections are still under construction. But here is the mail for reporting abuse in that site: abuse@furnation.com

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Mouse:

My apologies if I scared you, but shit like this makes me want to go postal on that sick bastard.

Searching furnation, I noticed that the abuse form and some other legalese sections are still under construction. But here is the mail for reporting abuse in that site: abuse@furnation.com

np, i was only half - serious
i was just kind of wondering if you were obsessed with the guy or something

i went to his page a while ago ..and yeah, he is definatly fucked

ill email furnation and see if they will review his site for content and kick him off the server, i dont if zorro re's stuff is against the rules or not it seems the TOS was under construction as you said

-mouse