Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

By giving 'furrydumb' all of this attention, your are hurting, not helping your cause.

Think about it, what the best way to deal with annoying people? Making fun of them doesen't work as it simply gives them the attention they lust after.

The best way to deal with annoying people and/or groups of people is to show indiffrence. Sort of like how if your standing beside a guy whos ranting about something you couldent care less about. Don't respond simply employ the "un hun" tactic of nodding at everything he says or completly ignore them and when their done and ask you about it say something like "sorry, I wasen't paying much attention".

Or change the subject.

For example:

Him: Oh man did you see that new drawing on VCL with those two skunks fucking eachother oh man that was hot, I jerked off to it for 6 hours last night

You: (thinking of something completly diffrent while starting at him by paying absolutly no attention to anything he says and nodding your head

Him: Did you like it?

You: (acting as if you've just woken up and looking a bit dazed) What do you think would be a better way of saying why I left my last job a) I wanted to explore new opportunities or b) I felt that my career objectives were incompatable with the job?

Him: Last job? What's that have to do with 2 skunks fucking?

You: (looking totally confused as if you genuinely have no idea of what he's talking about) skunks fucking (with emphasis on the word fucking). Sorry, not my thing. So what do you think sounds better as a 'why I left my last job' (making sure to lead into that question very quickly).

Okay, that might not work and might make the guy very angry, possibly even voilent, but it might be worth a try.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

For a lot of people the fact that furries respond so vehemently to any kind of criticism is the best reason to engage them.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

The only problem I have is that alot of the people slamming furries are borderline retarded themselves. Since furries tend to be the lowest creatures on the internet, even the average AOL user has somebody to look down on, and while that might seem like at least one good contribution from furrydom, all it does is give a chance for every little mongoloid on the internet to say "at least I'm not them".

It's like retards beating up on gay black retards, and the last thing we need is retards gaining a sense of self importance.

verix · Recusant Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 17

It's a good thought, but furries respond much, much differently. If they find a place that tends to bash them, they tell everyone about it, think "wtf fucking mundanes" and then boycott it. It's the same damn way it works with Something Awful. With all the furry bashing they do, if you go to a furmeet with an SA shirt on, you'll get bitched at for being "one of them." It's great.

Rx · Recusant Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 2

I think its more the fanboys then anything else that are the most irritating....at least from what I have seen

Acetaminophen · Recusant Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 7

Fanboys, in -my- experience are the most harmless. They partake of the fandom, but don't really do anything to perpetuate it. Which is for better and for worse. While they can be peronally annoying, and make really stupid comments on things, they never directly contribute to the fall of the fandom. It's those who cater to the fanboys that usually pose the problems (An almost literal prostituting of thier talents).

someoneyoudontknow · Recusant Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 2

Hey, new to this forum, it's so nice to see so much activity on the anti-furry sight.

Being furry, I have to say that the site itself is fairly well done, except for the really eyeball-burning color scheme.

Anyways, Something Awful is fucking hilarious. I've never been to a furmeet, but why the fuck would I care if someone saw me with an SA shirt on? Fuck self conciousness.

And Rusty, most furries just want to be left alone. And yes, although the majority (at least 8 of 10) will respond vehemently to any criticism and act like complete fuckwads, there are still some furs who are not from the shallow end of the gene pool. I know it's fun to make fun of people because it makes you feel big and mighty, but it also makes you appear like a schmuck to anyone who stumbles across your rambling rants.

I do agree with a lot of criticism of the fandom - the low level of maturity, the gross amount of grammatical spelling, and the really, really bizarre fetishes (although I can't complain too much, since I enjoy some myself). Unfortunately for all of you, the majority of the "anti-furry" crowd can easily be classified as immature, retarded, or hopeless fetishists. Getting off on the feeling of superiority by downgrading others is a fetish - its called S&D. You guys just don't use as much leather.

And finally, I know it's been said before, but seriously... the whole "Ewww, look at THAT!" thing where everyone goes and looks and exclaims how odd and perverse and ugly it is, looking at it and talking about it for days. Instead of bringing it up all the time, why not just leave it alone? It won't bother you if you don't bother it. Kind of like goatse.cx.

discojesus · Recusant Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 11

Getting off on the feeling of superiority by downgrading others is a fetish - its called S&D.

Erm, no it's not. S&M. B&D. Or BDSM. Sometimes people will say Ds, but never S&D.

someoneyoudontknow · Recusant Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 2

Whoa - and you corrected me just in time, Jesus. If you hadn't, I totally would have lost my job when my work review came up today and I got asked "What's the difference between S&D and BDSM?" I totally saw thru their trick question!

Thank you, Jesus!

discojesus · Recusant Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 11

What's the point of dying for your sins if you can't even get them right!? Sheesh. I certainly hope you're thankful! And now, if you don't mind, you can ring my be-e-ell, ring-a-my bell!

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

What is BDSM?

Acetaminophen · Recusant Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 7

A larger scope, I think it's (And feel free to correct me when I'm proven wrong) Bondage/Domination/Sadomasochism/Masochism.

discojesus · Recusant Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 11

Bondage, Dominance, Sado-Masochism, if we're being anal about it.

In case you're curious.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

It's no more anti-furry than the WW2 French Resistance was anti-France. It has taught me that there are sane furries.. that once, "furry" was people who drew funny animal art, had Cons to share their hobby, and being adults traded stuff with sex and violence.

Hell, it doesn't bug me if someone thinks the fox in Disney's "Robin Hood" is sexy, or jerks off imagining they're a werewolf fucking a catgirl. Hell, if I had to defend half of MY jerk-off fantasies...

This site pins the blame on the lifestylers. Before the internet, it seems "furry" was a community of anthro artists, who sometimes drew adult stuff. Now, you have pedophiles in mascot costumes, deluded idiots who REALLY ARE a 10,000 year old Indian dragon/gryphon, psychos who have to advertise their powerful fantasy of being an inflated winged hippo hemaphrodite eating their friends while cramming a car up their ass, and social retards who can only get acceptance by wrapping their personal and sexual identity around the above.

It's heartening to hear from La Resitance... the anthro artists who don't think they're a 6-tailed fairy skunk, or like drawing Huey, Dewey, and Louie being raped by a 3-penised inflated kitsune. People who like drawing anthro art like some people like drawing superheroes. People who happen to like drawing their animals sexy, but don't go parading around in a San Diego Chicken costume with crotch and ass holes cut out, their lives revolving around masturbating while playing MUDs.

I mean.. if I based my life around what I think about while jerking off.. hot damn, I'd be in international news. It's just heartening to hear from the sane 10%, to learn that hating furry isn't a blind bigotry.. it's a logical and focused disgust towards the gang of insane goons who have turned a genre of art into a sprawling and spectacularly loathesome fetish community. </soapbox>
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Syd - Hmm.. I used to think Gaget was kinda cute..

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

That pretty much sums up how I feel about.

I see um jerk off type stuff as something that's private and should be kept private.

I don't think of myself as a furry, I mean I like furry art (well the yerf type clean stuff) but don't have a 'fursonia' and don't use 'furspeak'm heck about the only word I even knew before comming here was 'furvert'.

I agree that if someone thinks a cartoon animal is sexy then that's alright, I mean what turns a person on is their buisness.

But yea, the lifestylers are often the problem, it's the same for many fandoms. The ones that really belive they are a animal person trapped in a humans body is rather distrubing.

I might like furry art but I know that it's all fantasy and that the real world and my real life are far more interesting then ^_^ , lol , O.O , O.o , o.O and murrrr and real women are far more interesting then yiffy vixens with basketball sized breasts.

Acetaminophen · Recusant Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 7

The un-completely-fucked-up portion of the fandom are all right with me (And probably most people, this is the era of sexual tolerance after all). Back to yer post, I do imagine that there are some artists who draw yiffy stuff with a degree of... 'comparitive taste'? An example of this, (I think, I've never talked to the guy, but the evidence points this way.) is Jeremy Bernal. He has not once, in anything I've seen, gone beyond the kind of things you'd see in the adult section of an independant video rental joint. Guest pointed out:

Also, nice porn. Notice Sexyfur doesn't try to pretend to be anything but a porn parlor? Imagine, A place devoid of the worst vestiges of the fandom; no whining, socialy persecuted teens, no roleplaying, and none of the retarded bullshit the rest of the fandom thrives on. Just the only decent thing to come out of the fandom: anthropomorphic cheesecake and pornography, well drawn and presented for what it is.

, which I'd say makes him an OK guy in my book. Plus it doesn't look half as awful as 95% of the other spooge out there. Again, not having met him, I can't vouch for his personality. But I'd be inclined to say he wouldn't be in the 'Insane Goon' catagory.

Also, not to defend Schwartz or anything, since he has drawn some truly sick shit, but he's never once claimed to be an animal trapped inside a human body. He can't really, since that animal would most certainly be a slug. But still, he's not in the 'insane goon' catagory.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

:D AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

:D AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Swipecat · Qualificator Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 22

About the vehemence of furry replies to criticism... That was certainly true during the Burned Fur era. A bunch of of far-right nobheads got pissed that the fandom wasn't going in the direction they wanted, and formed Burned Fur to promote a new whiter-than-white furry fandom. Of course, being cretins, they did this by loudly drawing attention to basically the same sort of stuff that this site shows. Needless to say, their counterproductivity was awesome. And the resulting factional flame war was really great - almost better than the Jerry Springer show. That was when the frayed tempers made things fun for outsiders.

Oh well, that was a couple of years back. The Burned Fur organisers screamed that those of us remaining in the fandom were irredeemable skunkfuckers, and they left, taking their aneurisms with them. The Burned Fur website has been taken over by a porn site, and things are quiet now. Quote boring, actually, so you've probably missed the boat on the vehemence thing. On the bright side though, this site does keep the memory alive

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

HMMM,sounds to me like the old"I'm mad at you,I don't want to play any more.I'm taking my ball home"mentality again :roll: I wish I had better digestion,I could sure use a double malt scotch,or a jug of Jagermeister right now :( thank Jah for my wife and kids! :D (Jerry)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

This group, I must say, is really booming. I'm not a total newbie to the fandom and I don't like to consider myself a 'fanboy' if at all possible. It erks me a little.

Anyhoo. I'm not surprised at the abundance of anti-furry sentiment on the internet. Certainly there is alot of sexual content concerning furries (which has earned us most of our infamy) and there are quite a few fursuiters and hardcore lifestyleists that tend to scar the image a little but who cares? If you're furry, proud of it and not ashamed of it, why should you worry? You'll find that people around you can be fairly accepting of it.

My parents were the only ones wierded out by it. My non-furry friends were really cool about it and know that I'm a furry. They don't really care all that much. They joke about it from time to time, especially when the words yiff or yiffy creep into my speech. Otherwise, they're cool with it.

Basically, I think furriness is what you make of it. What being furry is depends on how you see it. I think that, for me, being furry is having a creative and often emotional outlet where I can meet people like myself and have an intelligent conversation. It's an artistic concept and a wonderful thing in general. I use the word 'Yiff' in my normal vocabulary because it's what I like to say. Definitely less vulgar than 'fuck' is anyway. Finally, I'm a little perverted (or furverted, if you prefer), I'll admit. I've looked at 'furrotic' art, I've had TinySex and I've read erotic furry stories. So what? I understand that many people (or fursons, if you will) around here are jaded furs who've been around since the foundation of the fandom and I understand their views. I'd just like to point out, if not to furrys then to non-furrys who read this, that furs AREN'T all perverts who fursuit and screw at cons. Many are private about it and respectful about it. It isn't a sin, it's an outlet.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

This group, I must say, is really booming. I'm not a total newbie to the fandom and I don't like to consider myself a 'fanboy' if at all possible. It erks me a little.

Anyhoo. I'm not surprised at the abundance of anti-furry sentiment on the internet. Certainly there is alot of sexual content concerning furries (which has earned us most of our infamy) and there are quite a few fursuiters and hardcore lifestyleists that tend to scar the image a little but who cares? If you're furry, proud of it and not ashamed of it, why should you worry? You'll find that people around you can be fairly accepting of it.

My parents were the only ones wierded out by it. My non-furry friends were really cool about it and know that I'm a furry. They don't really care all that much. They joke about it from time to time, especially when the words yiff or yiffy creep into my speech. Otherwise, they're cool with it.

Basically, I think furriness is what you make of it. What being furry is depends on how you see it. I think that, for me, being furry is having a creative and often emotional outlet where I can meet people like myself and have an intelligent conversation. It's an artistic concept and a wonderful thing in general. I use the word 'Yiff' in my normal vocabulary because it's what I like to say. Definitely less vulgar than 'fuck' is anyway. Finally, I'm a little perverted (or furverted, if you prefer), I'll admit. I've looked at 'furrotic' art, I've had TinySex and I've read erotic furry stories. So what? I understand that many people (or fursons, if you will) around here are jaded furs who've been around since the foundation of the fandom and I understand their views. I'd just like to point out, if not to furrys then to non-furrys who read this, that furs AREN'T all perverts who fursuit and screw at cons. Many are private about it and respectful about it. It isn't a sin, it's an outlet.

well the only thing i would say is that
the word yiff (and all its variations) is corny

ill never, ever (EVER) use it

same goes for 'furotica'

-mouse

Coyote Seven · Recusant Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 1

well the only thing i would say is that
the word yiff (and all its variations) is corny

ill never, ever (EVER) use it

same goes for 'furotica'

I winced the very first time I saw the word 'Yiff'...

Ten goddamned years ago!!! Feh...

Ethan A. Stanger · Rasophore Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 53

People who like drawing anthro art like some people like drawing superheroes.

I don't think people who like drawing super heroes, hell let's just call them artists that draw in a comic book style, are stupid enough to call themselves "furry" artists unlike those who do. What a way for an artist to insult him/herself and their art.
Of course, it could be some sort of "artistic conspiracy" were skilled artists cross over into enemy soil ("furry fandom") and proceed to take the "furries" for the chumps they are. :wink:

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Interesting, what makes a furry artist?

I draw anthromorphic animals but I wouldn't call myself a furry artist, because I draw other stuff as well. So at what point does one become a 'furry' artist? when all you can draw is herm furry pron? When you start drawing it for others? :wink:

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Interesting, what makes a furry artist?

I draw anthromorphic animals but I wouldn't call myself a furry artist, because I draw other stuff as well. So at what point does one become a 'furry' artist?

When the furries refer to you as a "furry artist" I would've said.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

o.0 well you can call pokemon furry but that don't make it furry :P

:twisted: I refuse to be pinned down as furry/fantasy or anything else :P

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

I use the word 'Yiff' in my normal vocabulary because it's what I like to say. Definitely less vulgar than 'fuck' is anyway.

You use yiff in real, everyday conversation? What, with non-furries? It migt be less vulgar but how the hell are they supposed to know what you're saying?

Finally, I'm a little perverted (or furverted, if you prefer), I'll admit. I've looked at 'furrotic' art, I've had TinySex and I've read erotic furry stories. So what? I understand that many people (or fursons, if you will) around here are jaded furs who've been around since the foundation of the fandom and I understand their views. I'd just like to point out, if not to furrys then to non-furrys who read this, that furs AREN'T all perverts who fursuit and screw at cons. Many are private about it and respectful about it. It isn't a sin, it's an outlet.

Well, more power to you then.... but wait...isn't Tiny Sex pedaphilia?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

You use yiff in real, everyday conversation? What, with non-furries? It migt be less vulgar but how the hell are they supposed to know what you're saying?

My friends know I'm furry and all know a little bit about the 'fandom' (I hate that word). They know what 'yiff means because I explained it.

And Second:

The New Meat Wrote:

Well, more power to you then.... but wait...isn't Tiny Sex pedaphilia?

TinySex (or TS) incase you don't know (but I think you said it just to be a smart ass) is internet sex. What can I say? That's exactly what it is. It isn't necessarily pedophilia unless some snot-nosed kid is on the other end and you can usually tell if they are.:shock:

Anyhoo... those again are my two cents. :lol:

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

You use yiff in real, everyday conversation? What, with non-furries? It migt be less vulgar but how the hell are they supposed to know what you're saying?

My friends know I'm furry and all know a little bit about the 'fandom' (I hate that word). They know what 'yiff means because I explained it.

im not attacking you here ..but furry IS a fandom
or at the very least is SUPPOSED to be

so why you hate the word fandom i dunno ...'furry fans' are SUPPOSED to be fans of anthropomorphic animal stuff

just some advice tho, in case you dont know...dont use furry terms and expressions like 'on the other paw' etc. around non-furries that you dont know (e.g. a NON FURRY message board)

cuz it looks really stupid when people do this (read ghengis's 'when roleplaying goes too far' article here or that thread over at CSIfiles with the one furry weirdo who dropped a 'murreow' for no reason at all)

but yeah if they are you friends with them then i guess it doesnt matter

i fuck with my friends (ALL of my real life friends are not furries and im going to keep it that way for now) with furry stuff all the time..although i only read the comic books - when i say i do all the weird shit im just fucking with them

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I use the word 'Yiff' in my normal vocabulary because it's what I like to say. Definitely less vulgar than 'fuck' is anyway.

You use yiff in real, everyday conversation? What, with non-furries? It migt be less vulgar but how the hell are they supposed to know what you're saying?

Yiff, screw, fuck, bone, etc., what does it matter the word? The question is, are they having good healthy sex or doing something that will leave them alone and still fucked up afterwards? I've known people who subsisted sexually as johns for prostitutes and couldn't manage an actual love affair who were ten million times less messed up than some furries I've met.

To clarify my stance, I don't have a problem with an occassional fetish. I do have a problem with that becoming the entire life-encompasing definition of all things important. If people screwed in fursuits only once in a while, that would be a kink. If they do it constantly in fursuits, it is a fetish. If that is the ONLY way they can enjoy sex, it has gone way too far.

My wife used to be a dominatrix and it takes very little time to see the difference between people for whom it is a sexual hobby and who are otherwise fine and those people who have absolutely nothing else left in life. They are the ones whom those with the strongest stomachs will eventually rebel at and have enough of. When the club's management turned a blind eye to the tide turning from a very decent and fun bunch to an overwhelmingly screwed-up majority who positively frightened her, she left.

Similarly, furry wouldn't be so bad if the sexual obsession was actually fun and led to good old fashioned dirty dancing. IT ISN'T AND DOESN'T. If it was and did there'd be a lot less virgins, a lot more couples, and a lot more married furs and a lot more with kids. On the way to that are all kinds of experiences which people learn from generally and mature with. Just because you're mature doesn't mean sex can't be fun and occassionally a little sick. But maturity knows where to draw the line between fun and self-destruction. Furs generally don't, and there's a big part of the problem.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

Well, furrydom is more or less a stopping point for sexually confused people, gay loners and other young people during their less mature years. They're old enough to use the internet and attend cons, but young enough to not have experienced real, serious relationships.

It'll never change because as older furries begin to mature and move beyond the fetish and fandom, new younger ones drop in to replace them.

You can't change furrydom because its contingent changes too quickly. You can only sit back and watch the trainwreck repeat itself forever and ever.

Ethan A. Stanger · Rasophore Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 53

im not attacking you here ..but furry IS a fandom
or at the very least is SUPPOSED to be

Which I'm still trying to figure out why it even exists. One would think that a social group consisting of underacheivers wouldn't last very long, but the "furry fandom" has proved me wrong.

so why you hate the word fandom i dunno ...'furry fans' are SUPPOSED to be fans of anthropomorphic animal stuff

These days, it goes way beyond "We like anthropomorphics" to the point of total and complete fundamentalism.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I'm glad to know someone out there shares my views at least a little. Anyhoo. I don't use furry terms around mundanes. They don't get it and then they ask a bunch of dumb-assed, narrow-minded questions about fursuits and perverts and sutff *shudder.* I only ever use 'yiff' in terms of furry lingo around my mundane friends.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

It's a good thing you don't call them mundanes, either, since you'd likely be dealing with fists rather than questions. It's a derogatory term, as though being furry somehow elevates one above the non-furry masses. Hahaha.