Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

As might have been gathered, I've been crawling through a lot of furry LJs over the past day. (I don't have work to do unless something explicitly needs doing, but I get paid to show up anyway. And I quit FF1 (Dawn of Souls); the Temple of Fiends still bites.) Occasionally I read a few posts. And certain trends become apparent. This is meant to be a list of traits a strong percentage of the Internet-debris furries have. Non-sexual traits, because Christ, there's enough of that shit around. This is all siphoned off LiveJournal, so if non-LJ furries are less pathetic, this might not be representative of them. But I'm sure it'll be close enough.

Politically... really. November 2004 was like Pearl Harbor Redux to the furries.

Furries are generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, and often support freeing drugs from government restriction completely. They offer the usual arguments, and have a word for the 'blaze a bowl every day' groups. They call it a 'cultured society'.

Many furries are either unemployed or very close to being there, in comparison to national averages. I don't know of many teens that collect disability or unemployment welfare, so this seems to transcend age groups. The particular disability (when noted) is usually pretty minor, like carpal tunnel or brain dropsy. Those whose parents haven't abandoned them still recieve support whenever necessary, whether they live in the basement or have their own apartments now. Some furries have a habit of bitching about their parents. Very often. With little provocation.

There's a brisk trade in used computer parts, fursuits, and copied CDs/DVDs from the more 'fortunate' to the less, sort of a furry welfare system. Furries like free software. No, not open-source free, pirated XP free. Or pirated 98 free, as there are still plenty of furries kicking around on Pentium IIs, down to rare appearances of 486s. The well-off furries gravitate toward Macs. In that they are 'raving Mac looneys'. The WWDC 2005 was like Battle of Midway Redux (if they were Japanese, shut up, I know this simile sucks). Gaming machines are pretty much unheard of - did you know World of Warcraft can run on a GF4MX?

Actual video games are restricted to MMORPGs and Japanese RPG trite. WoW fanboys are... everywhere. And they're really damned sensitive about their game. And rarely shut up about it.

iPods are all the rage. Particularly 4GB units, which probably represent as much cash as furries can scrape together in a month. The taste of music ranges a bit, popular choices are radio broadcast pop, J-pop and video game music seem to go together, and obscure whiny teen angst from decades past.

And that's about all of this shit I can stand. Any other general trends you've noticed?

creature · Vociferator Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 520

Many furries are either unemployed or very close to being there, in comparison to national averages. I don't know of many teens that collect disability or unemployment welfare, so this seems to transcend age groups. The particular disability (when noted) is usually pretty minor, like carpal tunnel or brain dropsy. Those whose parents haven't abandoned them still recieve support whenever necessary, whether they live in the basement or have their own apartments now. Some furries have a habit of bitching about their parents. Very often. With little provocation.

I wish I could say otherwise, but that's a pretty on the money. I know a lot of people will stand up and yell "I'M NOT LIKE THAT!" which is fine. This wouldn't be aimed at someone who works a 40 hour a week job anyway.

I've given up even attempting to associate with people that either don't have a job or aren't full-time college students. And I do give those that are full-time college students credit for not having a job, because I didn't have one when I was a full-time college student. Those that just sponge off their parents or work just enough to pay for their hobbies bug me shitless.

Actual video games are restricted to MMORPGs and Japanese RPG trite. WoW fanboys are... everywhere. And they're really damned sensitive about their game. And rarely shut up about it.

I resemble that remark, thank you very much. Course, I also have a 40 hour a week job as a contractor for the feds, so I think I'm allowed downtime.

iPods are all the rage. Particularly 4GB units, which probably represent as much cash as furries can scrape together in a month. The taste of music ranges a bit, popular choices are radio broadcast pop, J-pop and video game music seem to go together, and obscure whiny teen angst from decades past.

Does listening to way too much Jimmy Buffet count? Throw in a little Hank Williams Jr., Bacon Brothers, Rob Zombie, and Warren Zevon and you'll have what's on my iPod Shuffle.

And that's about all of this shit I can stand. Any other general trends you've noticed?

I noticed this shit years ago when I went to my first furry con. I was amazed at what people are willing to do for crash space and a paid entrance into the con. I'm more then certain that there are a lot of folks that can say they got a case of the crabs because of that excuse and will tell you they had a blast at the con.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 708

Politically... really. November 2004 was like Pearl Harbor Redux to the furries.

Why do furries hate Bush? Is it his politics? Or the fact that he's Republican?

Furries are generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, and often support freeing drugs from government restriction completely. They offer the usual arguments, and have a word for the 'blaze a bowl every day' groups. They call it a 'cultured society'.

Actually, I'm in favor of legalized marijuana (no, I don't smoke). I think it could help, medically that is. Otherwise, you're just killing brain cells.

Many furries are either unemployed or very close to being there, in comparison to national averages. I don't know of many teens that collect disability or unemployment welfare, so this seems to transcend age groups. The particular disability (when noted) is usually pretty minor, like carpal tunnel or brain dropsy. Those whose parents haven't abandoned them still recieve support whenever necessary, whether they live in the basement or have their own apartments now. Some furries have a habit of bitching about their parents. Very often. With little provocation.

They're too busy downloading pr0n to get a job. And their parents should cut them off. Teach the bastards a lesson.

There's a brisk trade in used computer parts, fursuits, and copied CDs/DVDs from the more 'fortunate' to the less, sort of a furry welfare system. Furries like free software. No, not open-source free, pirated XP free. Or pirated 98 free, as there are still plenty of furries kicking around on Pentium IIs, down to rare appearances of 486s. The well-off furries gravitate toward Macs. In that they are 'raving Mac looneys'. The WWDC 2005 was like Battle of Midway Redux (if they were Japanese, shut up, I know this simile sucks). Gaming machines are pretty much unheard of - did you know World of Warcraft can run on a GF4MX?

It's probably a question of money. See above.

Actual video games are restricted to MMORPGs and Japanese RPG trite. WoW fanboys are... everywhere. And they're really damned sensitive about their game. And rarely shut up about it.

I'm sure they're not all bad. Just the majority.

iPods are all the rage. Particularly 4GB units, which probably represent as much cash as furries can scrape together in a month. The taste of music ranges a bit, popular choices are radio broadcast pop, J-pop and video game music seem to go together, and obscure whiny teen angst from decades past.

I use Limewire. Don't need an iPod.

And that's about all of this shit I can stand. Any other general trends you've noticed?

They bitch a lot about everything.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Politically... really. November 2004 was like Pearl Harbor Redux to the furries.

Why do furries hate Bush? Is it his politics? Or the fact that he's Republican?

To answer this question, I have to quote the Chappelle Show, when he asked questions about blacks to a white man, a white woman and a black man.

Chappelle's QuestionWhy don't black people trust Ronald Reagan?

White manBecause he's a Republican?
ChappelleThat is correct!

White womanBecause he's white?
ChappelleThat is correct!

Black manBecause you were supposed to trust him anyway...
ChappelleThat is correct!

Well, really it's not just furries who hate Bush, and a few are die-hard righties. I happen to be in with the Bu$h hate, but think comment's like 2's "I'll move to Canada" were stupid. I find it hilarious though that furries mirror a fair share of SA's anti-Bush arguments while also hating SA.

The main reason I can see for the political unity though is a steadfast view on ghey rights.

As for the Ganja, it seems even rightie furries want it legal (Nightcoon). Hell even anti-furries are fans (Nothingkat, Jer). I think that's a larger issue of Potheads crying over Nixon fucking them in the ass all those years ago (God bless that slimy man).

An odd statistic I find is that raccoons are disproportionatley conservative in the fandom. Anyone else notice this? Of like 7 conservative furries I know four play raccoons. If I can find Anthrocoon's post on Free Republic, I'll share it. Need to do some digging though.

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 152

An odd statistic I find is that raccoons are disproportionatley conservative in the fandom. Anyone else notice this? Of like 7 conservative furries I know four play raccoons. If I can find Anthrocoon's post on Free Republic, I'll share it. Need to do some digging though.

Now THAT would be interesting. Also finding links between what animal they prance around as against their "personality." It would explain just why "fursonas" are so limited to a handful of species. Well that and their disturbing lack of originality of course. I remember once on an Oekaki board years ago the subject somehow got to "draw yourself as a furry." I turned my avatar into an aardvark. Such a concept broke the brains of the resident furries on the board it really did. Anyhooo back on topic; the average American skinny white male almost is always a fox I've noticed.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

An odd statistic I find is that raccoons are disproportionatley conservative in the fandom. Anyone else notice this? Of like 7 conservative furries I know four play raccoons. If I can find Anthrocoon's post on Free Republic, I'll share it. Need to do some digging though.

This, indeed, is an odd fact. I'm fairly conservative, and you all know my choice of facade. It's interesting that we were all for one purpose or another, been drawn to emualte rabid trashdiggers. Then again, raccoons are one of the few species that have learned to live desptie man without domestication. Go fig.

... the average American skinny white male almost is always a fox I've noticed.

Well, foxes are obviously the choice of bottomy male homosexuals when they're not founcy enough to be skunks. There is a mechanical reasoning to it, much like Latin; also like Latin, few these days care to learn it, and even fewer care to speak it, erxcept those trying to appear itnelligent, or pretentious. At any rate, furry is as furry does.

I'm not Paul Harvey; Good Night.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

An odd statistic I find is that raccoons are disproportionatley conservative in the fandom. Anyone else notice this? Of like 7 conservative furries I know four play raccoons. If I can find Anthrocoon's post on Free Republic, I'll share it. Need to do some digging though.

I think it's a protest. Everyone knows raccoons are up there with foxes in rape appeal.

"Remember the Meekos!"

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

It's interesting that we were all for one purpose or another, been drawn to emualte rabid trashdiggers. Then again, raccoons are one of the few species that have learned to live desptie man without domestication. Go fig.

Ah, well I thought it would have something more to do with a rejection of "I'm a badass wolf" mentality. If you're a liberal loser (and I don't use that term lightly, I lean left myself) furry, you're typically going to be some hideously powerful/noble/symbolized character. A dragon, wolf, tiger, whatnot.

However, conservatives, even when outnumber in society are secured in their positions (perhaps a bit too much, but I'll avoid that) so they thusly choose an animal they find funny or whatnot and not "OMIGAWD I'M SUCH A PANTHER, EAT YOUR ASS!".

Hence why they tend to pick trash eating rodents.

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 262

You forgot to mention DDR. :O

Fuck that shit.

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

Furries are generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, and often support freeing drugs from government restriction completely. They offer the usual arguments, and have a word for the 'blaze a bowl every day' groups. They call it a 'cultured society'.

I support the legalisation of marijuana for furries. In fact, make it free for them. The preditor furries will get the munchies and catch the prey furries who are too stoned to run away. After all the prey furries get eaten, the preditors will die out.

Kadius · Needs to get out more Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 911

You forgot to mention DDR. :O

And wannabe ravers.

Genghis · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 322

I support the legalisation of marijuana for furries. In fact, make it free for them. The preditor furries will get the munchies and catch the prey furries who are too stoned to run away. After all the prey furries get eaten, the preditors will die out.

Thing is, a sizable chunk of them would LIKE that...

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I support the legalisation of marijuana for furries. In fact, make it free for them. The preditor furries will get the munchies and catch the prey furries who are too stoned to run away. After all the prey furries get eaten, the preditors will die out.

Thing is, a sizable chunk of them would LIKE that...

The end would justify the means.

Also, yeah I really know of virtually no furries apart from myself who want to keep drugs illegal, regardless of other ideology. Just goes to show that a group who wants to reject reality on a species level also favors rejecting reality on a brain chemistry level.

Genghis · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 322

Actually, from what I've seen, a lot of furries are practically straight-edge when it comes to the whole drink/drugs thing. I did recently talk to someone who clearly didn't see the merit in drinking and had no idea why anyone would partake of something like that.

I countered his argument with the fact that having a few drinks and starting some shit is fucking hilarious.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

Actually, from what I've seen, a lot of furries are practically straight-edge when it comes to the whole drink/drugs thing.

Firstly, a lot of them at least drink. Straight-edges are also against premartial sex for the mostpart, so even though straight -edges are animal rights nuts, they aren't furries.

Secondly, I know of a fair deal of furries who do not use drugs but still favor the legalization of them. It's just pseudo libretarianism. Because afterall, the government is hyoomon infested.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

You hear a lot of kids who think true communism would be the best thing ever.

But to actually live under the system? Most wouldn't be in favor of it. Because capitalism gives you neat stuff. People, and furries in particular, are so very shallow. And like that, I expect most aren't willing to give up the money/health/security to actually experience the drugs... but it's so easy to give lip service for it. I'm against legalization - only because drugs make stupid people even dumber.

Rankin · TOP POSTER! Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 1659

However, conservatives, even when outnumber in society are secured in their positions (perhaps a bit too much, but I'll avoid that) so they thusly choose an animal they find funny or whatnot and not "OMIGAWD I'M SUCH A PANTHER, EAT YOUR ASS!".

Hence why they tend to pick trash eating rodents.

I have no idea what you mean by the first statement; the following statement, however, is debasement. It's libel and slandar and and and LAWSUITE!

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1192

But to actually live under the system? Most wouldn't be in favor of it. Because capitalism gives you neat stuff.

agreed, but...

And like that, I expect most aren't willing to give up the money/health/security to actually experience the drugs...

Im not quite following .. most people do both.. since certain drugs usually require some kind of financial stability. Contrary to what DARE programs say.. drugs are VERY RARELY free

but it's so easy to give lip service for it. I'm against legalization - only because drugs make stupid people even dumber.

The way I look at it is .. the whole "War on Drugs" has been going on .. how long now? How much progress has been made? Whether you are for drugs or against them - its stupid. Its like 2 people digging a hole. The pragmatic person finds themselves in a hole, stops digging and climbs out, the ideological person keeps digging (or digs faster). Most people are "against drugs", for no other reason than they were indoctrinated to be "against drugs". Im not really saying I'm for people doing drugs, or that its a good thing, but at the same I support the complete decriminalization of such things. Anything else is a waste of time and money. The US spends far too much money to put people in prison. In fact, I'd go as far to say, there are way too many prisoners and prisons in the US right now. Save that shit for when for when its really necessary.

If someone gets caught with something they shouldn't have - confiscate it, destroy it**, and be done with it. Detain them for processing, maybe charge a fine, but otherwise let them go on thier own recognizence. Cause as it is right now, if you are the type of person that winds up traffiking drugs.. and you get caught, you are looking at what 20+ years to life... why wouldnt these guys opt to attempt to blast thier way out any situation that arises? I'd rather risk the shootout than spend a couple decades in a prison. Meanwhile, if there is no penalty other than having a valueble commodity taken away, Id think youd see the violence associated with the drug trade subside, to a degree. They would be hitting the drug trade in the wallet by decriminalizing or legalizing it and just heavily regulating it.

** this is important, because typically it isn't done... the CIA is particularly guilty of this. I have a feeling a large amount of confiscated drugs winds up on the street anyway. A completely self-defeating and asinine system.

Griphonix · Prattler Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 165

it's decriminalized here, and it couldn't be better. Locking people up for weed is a waste of money.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

And like that, I expect most aren't willing to give up the money/health/security to actually experience the drugs...

Im not quite following .. most people do both.. since certain drugs usually require some kind of financial stability. Contrary to what DARE programs say.. drugs are VERY RARELY free

Er, what I mean to say is this. Some people won't spend the money, or fear being fired from a decent job, or simply don't want anything to do with drugs for personal reasons, but will protest for legalization anyway. I think a lot of furries fall here. People who've never done drugs, never been around others who do, never really left the security of their suburban homes. But hey, protesting for legalization makes you sound cool and rebellious.

You're right, the 'War on Drugs' is stupid and poorly executed. I'd rather not see local retailers selling, though; keep it away from the general public, threaten fines and some imprisonment. Those who really want it are always going to find a way to get it, but making it difficult to find and expensive keeps most people away.

Dejan · Prattler Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 103

If you're pragmatic about it then the stereotypical stoner loser may be unproductive and a burden to society, but the drunkyard is quite worse. (drinkers are more productive, but are a way bigger burden to society)

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

http://mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/303a.htm

Did I post this yet?

That book is my Bible and I love it so.

SkunkCat · Qualificator Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4

Politically... really. November 2004 was like Pearl Harbor Redux to the furries.

Lets just say it made ME glad I don't live in the US. Bush and co basically have a 'fuck you' attitude towards anyone who isn't with them. (Starting back all the way with the Kyoto protocol. And going on to that whole Iraq thing) So he sure isn't popular around my continent.

I don't think its really anti-americanism. The US was pretty popular here under Clinton.

Its just that W. won't play nice with others. I am actually quite fond of the USA really, lovely country. It got some flaws far as I'm concerned, but its still a lovely country. Been there twice as well. Had a relationship with an American lady too. (And not just on-line, went to visit her too and stayed over there.) I may not neccesarily approve of everything someone may consider 'American'. But you can't say I hate America. Just really don't like Bush and friends at all.

But disliking or hating Bush is hardly a minority thing. In the US it seems to be pretty half-half. And he's most impopular in the rest of the world.

Furries are generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, and often support freeing drugs from government restriction completely. They offer the usual arguments, and have a word for the 'blaze a bowl every day' groups. They call it a 'cultured society'.

Here in Holland its legal. Well as it should be really. Alcohol is legal, isn't it? (And when it was illegal in the US, it got the country Al Capone and the like.) I've always been in favour of logical laws myself. And Alcohol is a harddrug, whilst weed is a softdrug. And a pretty harmless one at that.

I'd also have to say that for a 'Land of the Free' the US sure likes restrictive rules sometimes. You can have an automatic rifle, but you can't marry someone of your own sex (which you can in Holland as well) or smoke a joint. I'd say, my wee lil' country is more of a land of the free to be honest.

Either way, I think the pro-legalisation stance is the wisest one myself. Its also a great way to take drugs barons by the proverbial neck and snap them.

Many furries are either unemployed or very close to being there, in comparison to national averages. I don't know of many teens that collect disability or unemployment welfare, so this seems to transcend age groups. The particular disability (when noted) is usually pretty minor, like carpal tunnel or brain dropsy.

With the people I deal with myself in furry, I would say its... partially true. One of them has a disability, but he still tries to hold jobs in programming, far as he can. So he tries. Others are students (sometimes with part-time jobs) and others hop around between jobs. But I would say the people I hang out with definitly do their best to make something of their lives, and most don't do half bad at that.

Then again, the people I hang with may have their quirks, but they are perfectly intelligent and stable. And they can type normally, and don't think they are really dragons or whatever. So they wouldn't really be furry in the laughable sense. Even if some of them are into the whole fandom thing. Not really the type this place mocks.

Those whose parents haven't abandoned them still recieve support whenever necessary, whether they live in the basement or have their own apartments now. Some furries have a habit of bitching about their parents. Very often. With little provocation.

I've noticed this a few times. One time with a really creepy guy. Who would fly into homicidal ragerants about his parents with no warning. I started to avoid him. And I must say I'm glad I only ever met him on-line! Now that WAS one of the types this place'd mock.

There's a brisk trade in used computer parts, fursuits, and copied CDs/DVDs from the more 'fortunate' to the less, sort of a furry welfare system. Furries like free software. No, not open-source free, pirated XP free. Or pirated 98 free, as there are still plenty of furries kicking around on Pentium IIs, down to rare appearances of 486s. The well-off furries gravitate toward Macs. In that they are 'raving Mac looneys'. The WWDC 2005 was like Battle of Midway Redux (if they were Japanese, shut up, I know this simile sucks). Gaming machines are pretty much unheard of - did you know World of Warcraft can run on a GF4MX?

Actual video games are restricted to MMORPGs and Japanese RPG trite. WoW fanboys are... everywhere. And they're really damned sensitive about their game. And rarely shut up about it.

Oh so true! :)

iPods are all the rage. Particularly 4GB units, which probably represent as much cash as furries can scrape together in a month. The taste of music ranges a bit, popular choices are radio broadcast pop, J-pop and video game music seem to go together, and obscure whiny teen angst from decades past.

I noticed this as well.

And that's about all of this shit I can stand. Any other general trends you've noticed?

I would hardly be bothered by the majority of this stuff myself. But one general trend *I* have noticed is lack of social skills. Now I am saying nothing new THERE, I am sure. But one particular social difficulty I noticed is that alot of furry types have a huge difficulty with saying 'no'.

Up to the point where they will have sex they don't want rather then run the risk of conflict sometimes.

And of course when conflicts do erupt, it goes with a similar lack of social skills. And sometimes things that are serious are smoothed over as though they are nothing, whilst more often things that are trivial get blown way out of proportion.

Actually on that note, maybe furries SHOULD smoke pot en masse. That'll sure calm things down. I've always been in favour of having religious fanatics doing mandatory pot smoking to after all. :)

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 326

Hey, leave WoW alone! I only started playing so I could be a tauren hunter with loads of pets.

Hmmm, that's not sarcasm actually...

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 459

I agree that it's more pragmatic in the long run to just decriminalize marijuana. If you legalize the stuff, you can tax it. Cheaper drugs for everyone, since it no longer has to come through black market channels, and the government gets more tax revenue. It's a win-win situation for everyone.

At present, though, I would be very suspicious if the government were to suddenly turn 180 degrees and actually do so. We've got a 50/50 split in terms of political dissent here, with the president starting to lose some ground. I'm in full tinfoil hat mode here, but in the middle of all this political criticism, if the government were to suddenly say "Here you go, smoke aaaaaall the pot you want," I'd strongly question their motives.

Speaking of politics, I've seen plenty of furries on both sides of the political spectrum. The interesting part is that they all seem to be at the far ends of both sides. There wasn't just fallout after Bush's re-election, either. There was some pretty hardcore venting from the right-wing furs after Reagan's death if anybody even hesitated in putting the man up on a pedastal.

Now that you've got me thinking about it, raccoon types do seem to be unusually right-biased, though. I had a major falling out with one of them, after an argument in which he actually tried to tell me that Bill O'Reilly was a moderate.

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dipt/5meo_dipt.shtml

Furry drug of choice. At least it should be.

SkunkCat · Qualificator Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4

Removed.

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 135

Sunshine

SkunkCat · Qualificator Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4

Bah... Fine, I'll edit it.

Eh, question though, why does THIS group have these policies?

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 135

Same reason as some boards have a no talking about furries policy for example. 1. It gets repetive quickly. 2. It generates drama like no other. 3. Most board members are sick of it. 4. It's not the purpose of the board. 5. Wayd Wolf will come down to kick our asses with his manliest pecks and drive into the sunset in a vette containing his huge breasted wife.

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

I missed something :(

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 105

It was quite the pretentious spectacle.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

It was unnecessary, s'all.

BTW great avatar, Zod God. :)

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

I'll ask before somebody else and ask where it's from.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 105

Thanks, its from a friend's webcomic.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Darn, you changed it already! Oh well the new one is nice too.

Curious now, link to the webcomic? :)

Ray Prower · Prattler Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 166

Las Lindas by Chalosan and SoulKat.

Cephus · Prattler Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 107

I actually typed out a response to this way back when, but at the time, CYD was having problems and I was getting the ever-popular 404 error when I tried to submit it. I just found the saved message over the weekend so...

Many furries are either unemployed or very close to being there, in comparison to national averages. I don't know of many teens that collect disability or unemployment welfare, so this seems to transcend age groups. The particular disability (when noted) is usually pretty minor, like carpal tunnel or brain dropsy. Those whose parents haven't abandoned them still recieve support whenever necessary, whether they live in the basement or have their own apartments now. Some furries have a habit of bitching about their parents. Very often. With little provocation.

I think that you're seeing the effect, not the cause. The reason so many furs are into furry fandom is because they are unemployed or otherwise have too much time on their hands and need to escape into fantasy to get away from the horrible lives they otherwise lead. Furry is an escape, moreso because furry encourages people to invent a whole new personna to subsume yourself into. You stop being Joe Blow Loser Human and become Skippy the Wonder Squirrel. That's the same reason you get the were community, etc. It's a lot easier to look at yourself in the mirror and imagine you're something special instead of the unemployed, fat, bald idiot who couldn't get laid on a bet.

Furries are generally in favor of legalizing marijuana, and often support freeing drugs from government restriction completely. They offer the usual arguments, and have a word for the 'blaze a bowl every day' groups. They call it a 'cultured society'.

I moved this down here because it goes with my point above. Anything to escape from the horrible reality they live with every day is fine with a lot of furs. Mind-altering drugs? Sure, why not! At least they can forget about reality for a little bit. And yes, it is damn pathetic.

I'm not at all surprised about these trends, they're things I've been saying for years. Furs are furs, not because they actually care about anthropomorphics, but because they want desperately to escape from the pathetic existence they have largely placed themselves into. They have no one to blame but themselves, they just choose not to take any responsibility.

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 236

Furry is an escape, moreso because furry encourages people to invent a whole new personna to subsume yourself into. You stop being Joe Blow Loser Human and become Skippy the Wonder Squirrel.

Bing bing bing bing! We have a winnah!

I once had a nice crackpot theory on this line. On not only the escapism, but how it self-perpetuates and moreso, how natural selection both at the individual and subcultural level works in on this. (Namely, a subculture needs a reason to be different from a larger culture to exist. People breathing air will never be a subculture. Everyone does that, so the group will dissolve. Something different, unhealthy, and fetishized about breathing, however, will persist.)

Would people be interested in me posting it? And if so, where would it go?

Cephus · Prattler Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 107

Would people be interested in me posting it? And if so, where would it go?

I'd like to see it, so you have one official vote yes.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Would people be interested in me posting it? And if so, where would it go?

Sure thing. Should go in Chit Chat, I guess. Or email it to Mitch - depending on what you've written, maybe it could be an article on the main CYD site.