Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

This was a long conversation so i'll try and sumarize as best I can.

Basically i go to a big and probably overpriced art university studying for a character animation degree and this female proffessor there has basically taken me under her wing so any exercise or project i'm working on i have her critique before i take it further.

I was showing an animatic i was working on to her and also showed some goofy walkcycles i'd recently done staring an easy to draw anthro cat guy. Long story short she asked me if i had heard of these people called furrys, i said no of course, and feigned curiosity.

She went on about how animation studios avoid hiring them due to gross copywrite violations and grosser subject matter and that under no circumstance should i have a very humanoid anthro character on my demoreel when applying for a job with a studio cuz it could screw my chances at getting a job if i'm suspected of furryness.

This sucks cuz this big project i've been planning out pretty much stars very humanoid looking anthros, kinda similar to terrie smith stuff minus the sexyness...mostly. Back to the drawing board :( . I'd be interested to know if Donotsue has had anything come back to bite him in the ass in potential job situation. I also had no idea furry is common knowledge amongst animators.

Thank god none of my porn is signed or recognizable as a style i would ever use out side of furry wank material.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1091

She went on about how animation studios avoid hiring them due to gross copywrite violations and grosser subject matter and that under no circumstance should i have a very humanoid anthro character on my demoreel when applying for a job with a studio cuz it could screw my chances at getting a job if i'm suspected of furryness.

Why that's...that's like...
FURSECUTION!

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 700

Why that's...that's like...
FURSECUTION!

Exactly. And thats the way it should stay.

Dr. Mojo · Vociferator Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 399

Is the teacher hot?

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

At school they warned not to feature toons in the portfolio... Studios only care for lifedrawing and such...
And later, while pageing thru mine, Kuhn warned US studios dislike furries! I might have contributed to
that hatered but mainly probaly Eric, Steven, Guthrie and Quozl! =)

No one in europe cares I suppose.. We're all immoral here... =)
Even the studios who work for Diznew.
An Italian classmate said they make lotsa naughty animations in italy...

I did mention my furnation site on the Duck Sample page... We'll see if that bites...
Or maybe that bites me in the ass! =) The latest I heard from the finnish
duck-droo-er, who put the good word in for me was
"Looks Promising! Expect a test script sometime soon!"

Here's Comicup Studio which seemsta draw lots of all kinds of euro-comics.
http://www.comicup.net/eng/index_eng.php

Hmm... some Jose Antonio Gonzales gots some boobsy babes and a werewolf in his section. =)

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 135

I did mention my furnation site on the Duck Sample page... We'll see if that bites...

Mayby you need a new homepage other than Furnation. The way I hear it is that certain sites have gotten the ill reputation of being just sick porn magnets (VCL). So, while a homepage might not feature anything beyond the sites of the usual animators, they still might shun the hosting place. Have you considered a paid homepage, they're cheap enough these days.

It's not just what you do, it's also the company you keep.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

They may be cheap.. but so am I! =)

I know to keep it hid from US studios... IF I applied...
but I trust europeans to be smarter than that! But tis no use lying and hiding when web's full of Sibes
and alike who'll blow the whistle on you!

I was also to make a handy CD portfolio I could mail all round... but something always takes my time...
a rush job from old boss..or sunny-day-drinking-spree.. or... a new sudden job offers like the duck gig,
just waiting to catch on!

Good things come to those who wait...and wait ...and wait! =)

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

I once heard a rumor that Steve Martin (the nympho bunny artist, not the comedian) applied for a job somewhere but got turned down when his portfolio had a whole bunch of furry porn in it.

Can someone confirm or correct this myth?

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 658

I once heard a rumor that Steve Martin (the nympho bunny artist, not the comedian) applied for a job somewhere but got turned down when his portfolio had a whole bunch of furry porn in it.

Can someone confirm or correct this myth?

We discussed this recently.

PAY ATTENTION AT THE BACK THERE DOGBOY

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

Filthy secret: it was anthro/furry that lead me into the art field. I don't regret that, but there was a time in my naivety that I would have handed over a design portfolio full of cartoony stuff. Many of my graphic design assignments were ambiguously furry as well as my first business name. I'm thankful I haven't made a name for myself either in the fandom or professionally, so there's still time to abandon the ship.

Computolio · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 865

This was a long conversation so i'll try and sumarize as best I can.

Basically i go to a big and probably overpriced art university studying for a character animation degree and this female proffessor there has basically taken me under her wing so any exercise or project i'm working on i have her critique before i take it further.

I was showing an animatic i was working on to her and also showed some goofy walkcycles i'd recently done staring an easy to draw anthro cat guy. Long story short she asked me if i had heard of these people called furrys, i said no of course, and feigned curiosity.

She went on about how animation studios avoid hiring them due to gross copywrite violations and grosser subject matter and that under no circumstance should i have a very humanoid anthro character on my demoreel when applying for a job with a studio cuz it could screw my chances at getting a job if i'm suspected of furryness.

This sucks cuz this big project i've been planning out pretty much stars very humanoid looking anthros, kinda similar to terrie smith stuff minus the sexyness...mostly. Back to the drawing board :( . I'd be interested to know if Donotsue has had anything come back to bite him in the ass in potential job situation. I also had no idea furry is common knowledge amongst animators.

Thank god none of my porn is signed or recognizable as a style i would ever use out side of furry wank material.

Actually, if you drew furry porn anywhere ever, then it would be common sense to never draw any talking animals again, or at least keep that shit far away from your portfolio.

It's not quite the fact that they're SEXUAL DEVIANTS, it's the fact that furries are fixated on ONE THING to the detriment of all others that causes potential employers to stay the hell away. They can afford to, as there are untold gazillions of talented people out there applying for maybe less than a thousand job openings in the American animation industry, and they can afford to pick and choose.

Frankly, I'd advise you to stop wasting your time, as you'll never get anywhere. It's not worth it anyway.

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

"Is the teacher hot?"

Good GOD no. She acctually looks like a furry, a male furry. Right down to the unkempt hair, stubble and flannel. She's a lesbian as are all the female animation teachers there.

"Actually, if you drew furry porn anywhere ever, then it would be common sense to never draw any talking animals again, or at least keep that shit far away from your portfolio.

It's not quite the fact that they're SEXUAL DEVIANTS, it's the fact that furries are fixated on ONE THING to the detriment of all others that causes potential employers to stay the hell away. They can afford to, as there are untold gazillions of talented people out there applying for maybe less than a thousand job openings in the American animation industry, and they can afford to pick and choose.

Frankly, I'd advise you to stop wasting your time, as you'll never get anywhere. It's not worth it anyway."

Well thanks for your inspirational words but considering I only live once I gotta give it a shot cuz it's my dream. My main focus is on cartoon animation but I also have a huge emphasis on3d modeling and animation, i'm gonna make sure i don't stray too far from where the industry is. That plus i'm a damn good animator for my level (sophmore). THat and the 80% job placement rate that dept has at my school makes me think i acctually stand a chance.

I refuse to spend more than an hour on furry crap cuz, well, it's furry crap(thats right, i draw real hyoomans :o ). But i think i've been careful enough about it that if it ever does surface it will be easy to deny cuz it doesn't look like anything else i've ever drawn. My furrys are more realistic, where as my animated ones are far more warner bros'ish
and the females have no boobs.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

Ah-ha! Gimmegimme!!!! Boobed WBstyle girls! =D

My salvation is finland doesn't have many good artists to choose from!!
See these kinda comics are celebrated and rewarded... and showered with allkindsa grants!
Anyone who is able how to draw a normal, american-style Non-hidiously-ugly, LIKABLE character
is immediately dissed!
Thass where my pig-art comes in.. =)

But I am not sore.. I'll show em someday.. I'll SHOW THEM ALL! MUHAHA!

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 338

I've noticed there was a definite shift from anthro characters to human ones in the cartoon world starting around the late nineties. I'm curious if there's any correlation to that and the rise of furry infamy.

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

She went on about how animation studios avoid hiring them due to gross copywrite violations and grosser subject matter and that under no circumstance should i have a very humanoid anthro character on my demoreel when applying for a job with a studio cuz it could screw my chances at getting a job if i'm suspected of furryness... I also had no idea furry is common knowledge amongst animators.

No shit, Sherlock. That's kind of been a major theme around here for, like, forever. But I guess there's a difference between hearing about it on an internet forum and getting it confirmed by a professional animator.

Thank god none of my porn is signed or recognizable as a style i would ever use out side of furry wank material.

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

Tass · Prattler Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 178

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

OH!
I haven't!

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

As a reward, you get a gold star and become class prefect for the day.

The rest of you can sit right there and think about what you've done.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 105

I cant draw worth jack, I wouldnt even try.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I can't draw either, but I've tried my ~~paw~~ hand at furrah pr0n.

Actually, when a person outside furrydumb knows of furrydumb it's usually due to a bad experience with a real furry.

My advice is to *gasp* not draw anthros if you want to avoid teh fursecution.

Tass · Prattler Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 178

As a reward, you get a gold star and become class prefect for the day.

The rest of you can sit right there and think about what you've done.

HUZZAH!

I feel prefect!

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 708

I don't draw furry porn. I don't draw, period.

21st Century Digital Boy · Venter Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 202

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

I dunno, does that picture of Stalin assraping Skunkfucker count?

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

I can't draw either, but I've tried my ~~paw~~ hand at furrah pr0n.

Let's all pause for a moment and think about what's wrong with this sentence.

Kadius · Needs to get out more Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 911

I've never drawn porn either.

Am I part of the minority or part of the majority? :?

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 459

I don't think it counts if you don't draw at all. You can't really brag about being celibate if you're a eunuch, either.

Not to imply anything about non-artists, of course. It was just the first analogy that came to mind.

I'd imagine every artist has a sketchbook somewhere with some smutty doodles in them. Let's face it, the temptation is much too great to use the lessons learned in figure structure class in ways your mother probably wouldn't approve of. Hell, there's a piece of animation that used to circulate around Disney of Tinkerbell having sex with Jiminy Cricket. Everybody tries it at least once; whether or not the world needs to see your attempts, that's another matter entirely.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1091

I've drawn furry porn. It's in my room somewhere. I hope I never find it.

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

I've noticed there was a definite shift from anthro characters to human ones in the cartoon world starting around the late nineties. I'm curious if there's any correlation to that and the rise of furry infamy.

My guess is The Simpsons had something to do with it.

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

What if you've tried to draw furry porn but it turns out a greyish blob? Does that count? :)

Beauty of Nature · Prattler Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 178

If you can't draw anything, then draw Furry porn !
That way you may still get a tiny bit of attention.
Wank is the magic fluidum that keeps places like VCL and FurAffinity alive.

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

Yeah, nowadays doodles pretty much is it. And it does seem that all artists in furrydumb have done it, it's almost impossible to find entirely clean artists. I used to sell on furbid cuz you can acctually make decent money. Then i went to jail and my comp got reposessed and i couldn't get in touch with this guy that bought an original, so i didn't send the shit. Now i feel guilty and don't do that anymore, but thats how i started drawing it.

My gf found my "secret sketchbook" and totally digs it, well most of it, so now i just do requests from her. Thank god shes such a freak. Even funnier she wanted to see other peoples stuff so i referred her to the vcl new art area and she's absolutely disgusted in general by furry.

"I've drawn furry porn. It's in my room somewhere. I hope I never find it."

I suggest you find it before someone else does, someone that's not so understanding

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 326

See! This is why I never got involved is furry porn art!
I have a couple of pics online but under a different name, I just wouldn't want to risk it when im after an illustration career.

CrazyBomber · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 137

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

I'm one of those few who HASN'T drawn porn.
And I highly doubt that this doodle and this colored doodle could qualify as porn.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

I can't draw either, but I've tried my ~~paw~~ hand at furrah pr0n.

Let's all pause for a moment and think about what's wrong with this sentence.

Should 'either' be 'neither'? Or do you mean on a level other than grammar?

Dr. Mojo · Vociferator Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 399

Is there anyone on here who HASN'T drawn furry porn? I mean, seriously.

i don't draw anything. at all. :<

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

I can't draw either, but I've tried my ~~paw~~ hand at furrah pr0n.

Let's all pause for a moment and think about what's wrong with this sentence.

Should 'either' be 'neither'? Or do you mean on a level other than grammar?

No, I was just amused by the implication that artistic inability might keep you from drawing in general but it didn't prevent you from drawing porn, as if porn illustrations were some strange beast to whom the regular rules of artistry didn't apply.

AngryPuritan · Needs to get out more Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1361

No, I was just amused by the implication that artistic inability might keep you from drawing in general but it didn't prevent you from drawing porn, as if porn illustrations were some strange beast to whom the regular rules of artistry didn't apply.

And you're just now realizing this? You never were in the fandumb, were you?

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 718

http://kjorteo.net/ Kjorteo is a prime example of this. He's an awesome guy though.

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

"I cant draw worth jack, I wouldnt even try"

Don't worry about it. You don't need any tallent to furry art, that's why it's so prevelant, especially porn.

Griphonix · Prattler Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 165

I've never drawn porn.
I have drawn some very bad dragons, but nothing anthro and nothing porn.

Brentos · Apocrisiary Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 48

I've drawn some furry porn about a year ago, as in pretty much just naked 'chicks', and was stunned that some people actually liked it . But I stopped after having a bad encounter. (I don't even consider myself an 'artist' since my finishing is so crude and simplistic and that I really struggle with my art...)

I think I've been pretty naive in the past. I probably still am. When people draw even outrageous smut I really don't have a problem with it except rarely. (after hanging out here for a while I've been shown that the artists I know aren't really that outrageous anyway...) But it sure is discouraging seeing the situation the anthro world is in right now. I think your animation professor is great for telling you like it is. And thanks for spreading her advice too.

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 135

Generally people don't draw porn until they're at a skill level where you can actually recognize details. I didn't even try drawing any porn until I had learned my anatomy lessons. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to apply to furries. They also put it on web for all to see and that is another bad aspect of the furdumb.

Anyways, I've never drawn furry porn. Yet. Of course that Arial the mermaid and Ursula octopus piece smells a bit fishy...

Rule of thumb: Don't host your porn on internet.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

Eah! Show the world finns ain't afraid of what others think! Droo droo droo!
EU is doomed anyway and all artists hafta go pack cod for war effort soon!

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 708

Eah! Show the world finns ain't afraid of what others think! Droo droo droo!
EU is doomed anyway and all artists hafta go pack cod for war effort soon!

What?

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 236

Eah! Show the world finns ain't afraid of what others think! Droo droo droo!
EU is doomed anyway and all artists hafta go pack cod for war effort soon!

What?

Okay, let me have a go at the translation.

Hey! (or, possibly, Yo!, but not going there) Let's show the world that we Finland-type people aren't afraid of what others think! Go ahead and draw stuff! Drew! Drew! Drew!

The European Union is doomed anways, and all artists will have to packcod into boxes for troops.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Me thinks Donny is filling in for Jerry Collins' long absense.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 884

Hm. Maybe I shoulda bothered to quote Heroiini's text... but I was lazy!

Generally people don't draw porn until they're at a skill level where you can actually recognize details. I didn't even try drawing any porn until I had learned my anatomy lessons. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to apply to furries. They also put it on web for all to see and that is another bad aspect of the furdumb.

Anyways, I've never drawn furry porn. Yet. Of course that Arial the mermaid and Ursula octopus piece smells a bit fishy...

Rule of thumb: Don't host your porn on internet.

So just draw! no one here cares about porn! Well, they might if ya drew as much and twisted stuff as ... TDK?

If someone does care, claim you're doing God's work ... =)

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 105

If someone does care, claim you're doing God's work ... =)

The power of Jebus compells you!

The power of Jebus compells you!

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 135

So just draw! no one here cares about porn! Well, they might if ya drew as much and twisted stuff as ... TDK?

If someone does care, claim you're doing God's work ... =)

Anyways, I've never drawn furry porn..

Get thee behind me, Satan! Tempt me not. :D