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Guido
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Posted: 7/20/2005 12:37:11 AM     Post subject: EQUAL RIGHTS FOR TEH FURSECUTED!  

Beacuse the shit never ends at openpaws


"This picture brings up some questions:
1- Are we really being fursecuted ... yet?
2- What's the best way to fight or stop fursecution?
3- If or when we are being fursecuted, should we adopt a "victim" stance?"
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The New Meat
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:04:54 AM     Post subject:  

That's pretty gay.
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Ray Prower
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:09:29 AM     Post subject:  

Of course it's pretty gay. I mean, he's standing in front of a rainbow flag for crying out loud.

The whole thing in itself is extremely gay, but that flag and the rings around the neck multiply the gayness TIMES INFINITY.
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Dr. Dos
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:12:43 AM     Post subject:  

I think it's actually talking about gay rights.

Alas furries ruin gay as well and give it a bad name.
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Ray Prower
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:13:37 AM     Post subject:  

Yeah, they pointed that out in the lj entry a few times.

BUT STILL. Does it have to be that gay?
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Captain Cowgirl
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:19:01 AM     Post subject:  

Yeah, they pointed that out in the lj entry a few times.

BUT STILL. Does it have to be that gay?

NOT GAY ENOUGH
THERE IS NO BUTTSEX
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Ray Prower
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:21:48 AM     Post subject:  

I think it's actually talking about gay rights.

Alas furries ruin gay as well and give it a bad name.


FURRIES RUIN EVERYTHING
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RailFoxen
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:34:51 AM     Post subject:  

REALLY FUCKING GAY.

I couldn't see the homosexuality through ALL THE GODDAMN GAY. WAY TO MAKE HOMOSEXUALS LOOK GAY, FURRIES.
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CrazyBomber
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Posted: 7/20/2005 2:03:00 AM     Post subject:  

And where is the "Shut the fuck up and quit explaining people what about is furry" option?
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AngryPuritan
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Posted: 7/20/2005 2:24:28 AM     Post subject:  

Someone should really notify the Gay and Lesbian alliance about this small group of hambeastly geeks who are giving homosexuals everywhere a bad name with the animal buttsechs and whatnot.

Seriously, I know one gay guy who thinks furry is revolting, surely if they all knew they all would collectively tell furries to STFU. Sadly though, it doesn't matter how faggy, geeky or pagan the person who points out faults in furry is. Instantly, he becomes some bible thumper in the eyes of the fandumb and thus can be dismissed.

Taurin fox is drama central, btw.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 2:40:42 AM     Post subject:  

Would Ghandi like being associated with furrydomb? :shock:

Edit: Yeah, it's a gay rights thing. I can't believe I actually went looking for that... (brain scrub)
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Dr. Dos
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:01:56 AM     Post subject:  

First of all, we can expect Bush to renew his push for an amendment to the US constitution that would permanently ban any recognition of same-sex marriage in any state. Which, by the way, would be the first time the US constitution would ever be amended to take rights AWAY from a specific class of Americans.


Somebody never heard of the 18th. Of course it was repealed but it still holds that title.
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weird_guy_in_the_corner
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:23:58 AM     Post subject:  

Silly me, I thought they were going for a "Rainbow Coalition" type of deal.

I highly doubt people will let it get so far as to let same-sex marriages to be banned in every state. Unless gays and lesbians are spineless, they won't let it happen. Hell, even some straights would get in on the action, so to speak. But I'm not gay, so what the hell do I know?

MAYBE if he decided to start a regular website asking for support for gays and lesbians, something would get done. Instead, he panders to furries. What a fucking disappointment.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:25:41 AM     Post subject:  

I still think the whole "Let the church deal with it" idea works..
I mean, canada did it..
And look at them!

They have KETCHUP chips!

You want Ketchup chips right?
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baserock love
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:42:03 AM     Post subject:  

Wow, as gay as that pic is, the tear was the first thing i saw and i laughed out loud. HAHAHAHHA the tear :lol: :lol:


This could be the single gayest non buttsex related image in the history of the internet. This should be in the attrocity archive where it will get the attention it deserves. That picture makes me want to hate gay people.

:lol: tear :lol:

Oh yeah and i voted self immolation, that's something to shed a tear about.
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Kadius
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:48:49 AM     Post subject:  

Nobody mixes GAY and STUPID quite like furries do.

They have KETCHUP chips!

You want Ketchup chips right?

YESSSSSSSSSSS
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Posted: 7/20/2005 3:48:52 AM     Post subject:  

It really doesn't matter whether it's about gay rights or REEL FURSECUTION anyway.

In fact, if it's about gay rights it's worse, because it's making a legitimate cause look ridiculous. The "NEVAR FORGET eagle tear" thing was bad enough for 9/fucking 11, much less "fursecution".
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Posted: 7/20/2005 4:05:54 AM     Post subject:  

Which, by the way, would be the first time the US constitution would ever be amended to take rights AWAY from a specific class of Americans.


Somebody never heard of the 18th. Of course it was repealed but it still holds that title.


I think that's why he said 'specific class'. The 18th trampled on everyone... Unless you want to count alcoholics as an oppressed minority group.

Like I said, Taurin is drama... and I think his speech would have been far more relevant and outreaching if he didn't equate gay and furry, and didn't make the sad-indian knock-off furry picture. And Felinia is a moron for making a post where the word 'fursecution' was used without a hint of irony.

Furries ruin everything, even what they care for... especially what they care for.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 4:29:57 AM     Post subject:  

Would Ghandi like being associated with furrydomb? :shock:


"I am a man of tolerance, but there is only so much that a man can tolerate... And that 'furry' shit is right out!"

-Associated (ambiguously) with Mohandas Ghandi
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V3Ng3
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Posted: 7/20/2005 4:38:18 AM     Post subject:  

Haha, hes crying. Wuss.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 8:56:20 AM     Post subject:  

Someone threw a wrapper on the ground.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:06:59 PM     Post subject:  

i'm gonna wet myself from laughter (in a non-babyfur way)

LOL. GAAAAAY!
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Posted: 7/20/2005 1:09:38 PM     Post subject:  

Not only is it gay, bot it's pretentious crap as well.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 5:42:28 PM     Post subject:  

Rainbows used to be about the Irish and Leprechauns, but we don't even have that anymore. All we have is Alcoholism and spousal abuse and.... wait, they can keep the rainbow.
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Bloodied
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Posted: 7/20/2005 6:07:22 PM     Post subject:  

Wow... This may be the first time in my life I've been ashamed to be gay
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Posted: 7/20/2005 6:11:29 PM     Post subject:  

Post that as a reply to that picture wherever it's uploaded.
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Posted: 7/20/2005 6:43:03 PM     Post subject:  

I wonder if anybody's ever tried to wear a fursuit in a gay pride parade?
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Posted: 7/21/2005 2:07:26 AM     Post subject:  

I wonder if anybody's ever tried to wear a fursuit in a gay pride parade?

Mmmmmyep.
A gay friend of mine goes to these things all the time and once told me there was someone in a tiger costume wearing a feather boa and corset.
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Posted: 7/21/2005 2:28:34 AM     Post subject:  

I wonder if anybody's ever tried to wear a fursuit in a gay pride parade?

Mmmmmyep.
A gay friend of mine goes to these things all the time and once told me there was someone in a tiger costume wearing a feather boa and corset.


FURRIES RUIN EVERYTHING - EVEN GAY PRIDE PARADES.
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Posted: 7/21/2005 3:27:57 AM     Post subject:  

I wonder if anybody's ever tried to wear a fursuit in a gay pride parade?

Mmmmmyep.
A gay friend of mine goes to these things all the time and once told me there was someone in a tiger costume wearing a feather boa and corset.


FURRIES RUIN EVERYTHING - EVEN GAY PRIDE PARADES.

ESPECIALLY GAY PRIDE PARADES.
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Posted: 7/21/2005 4:42:29 AM     Post subject:  

They've had their own float in the parade for years. If only someone less lazy than myself could dig up that old topic about it...
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Posted: 7/21/2005 9:17:18 AM     Post subject:  

Really?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I WANT TO SEE THAT XD!
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Posted: 7/21/2005 10:42:20 PM     Post subject:  

Really?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I WANT TO SEE THAT XD!

No.
No you don't.
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Posted: 7/22/2005 1:09:01 PM     Post subject:  

Really?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I WANT TO SEE THAT XD!


Calm down brah :shock:
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Posted: 7/22/2005 1:20:31 PM     Post subject:  

They've had their own float in the parade for years. If only someone less lazy than myself could dig up that old topic about it...
Really?

I WANT TO SEE THAT XD!

Quick! Someone get a picture of a huge turd!
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Posted: 7/22/2005 3:12:44 PM     Post subject:  

Actually, I'm kind of surprised the furries weren't kicked out. The pride parades frankly don't help the cause at all, and letting the fursuiters in just cements that belief.
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Posted: 7/22/2005 3:18:05 PM     Post subject:  

Calm down brah


Um <_< i thought it would be quite funny to see.. couldn't get any worse than the stuff at the atrocity arcive? Right? right???
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Posted: 7/22/2005 4:54:58 PM     Post subject:  

one would argue tat Gay pride pradaes dont help any cause whatsoever if by help you mean do anything to make people accept them. Having furries there would just be like heaping another pile of dung on an already counter-productive concept.
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Posted: 7/22/2005 4:58:15 PM     Post subject:  

Man, it must suck to be the parade organizers. 'Do we have to let them in? I mean, they're... y'know...'

Click here for gay horse fursuit action.
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Posted: 8/6/2005 4:30:06 AM     Post subject:  

"fursecuted"?
Quit making up words retard.
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Posted: 8/6/2005 4:48:50 AM     Post subject:  

"fursecuted"?
Quit making up words retard.


And thus, the cycle of life begins anew. Commence yelling at/ignoring.
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Posted: 8/6/2005 5:04:09 AM     Post subject:  

If by some miracle I were to get my Consulting buisness going, like today...

I'd gladly take an order from any of you to exterminate these people... Flame throwers, grenade launchers, napalm... all FREE. On the house as my first contract.

Jesus, why such abominations upon the earth?
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Posted: 8/6/2005 5:22:33 AM     Post subject:  

As far as the issues of pride parades and fursuiters go, the whole thing is a lost cause from the get go. I once tried to convince members of an LGBT group to become vocal against all the BS with pride parades, I got something along the lines of "historically, pride parades did alot to increase the visibility of the gay community." But come on what self respecting gay/lesbian/bisexual really wants to be represented by a bunch of crossdressers, leathermen, and other assorted fetishists. The same members of said lgbt group were not even swayed as to at least speaking out against including the furry freak show when the depravity of the larger "furry" community was made known to them.

It all cracks me up because as some have said in this thread already why add more crap (ie fursuiters) to the pile(drag queens etc). It's no wonder so many normal gay people stay at least semi closeted.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:30:45 PM     Post subject:  

Before this thread is locked, I found this. Is the author one of our own?

http://fursecution.ytmnd.com/
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:44:11 PM     Post subject:  

Before this thread is locked, I found this. Is the author one of our own?

http://fursecution.ytmnd.com/


SquareMoogle is the only one on CYD I know who makes YTMNDs.

That one was made by a friend of mine on another forum after I showed him that picture. I completely forgot he said he was going to make one for it.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 6:53:20 PM     Post subject:  

"fursecuted"?
Quit making up words retard.
And thus, the cycle of life begins anew. Commence yelling at/ignoring.


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Posted: 8/8/2005 8:03:52 PM     Post subject:  

As far as the issues of pride parades and fursuiters go, the whole thing is a lost cause from the get go. I once tried to convince members of an LGBT group to become vocal against all the BS with pride parades, I got something along the lines of "historically, pride parades did alot to increase the visibility of the gay community." But come on what self respecting gay/lesbian/bisexual really wants to be represented by a bunch of crossdressers, leathermen, and other assorted fetishists. The same members of said lgbt group were not even swayed as to at least speaking out against including the furry freak show when the depravity of the larger "furry" community was made known to them.

It all cracks me up because as some have said in this thread already why add more crap (ie fursuiters) to the pile(drag queens etc). It's no wonder so many normal gay people stay at least semi closeted.




Fuck, just when i'd forgotten that that picture existed. Oh well, i lol'd at the tear again. But on the subject of the parades, i'm not gay, but if i was i think i would be against them. Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't a decent amount of the parades (at least in SF) pretty much entirely designed to shock and offend the prudes? Every year theres a big fuss about the cross dressing nuns, the leather fetishests that whip there package out at every request, public lewd displays of sex. I don't think theres anything wrong with a parade but a lot of this shit doesn't seem to be reaching out to the ignorant as it were.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 10:58:16 PM     Post subject:  

I'm not sure how far it all goes, I'm not sure public sex acts are intended to happen by organizers, but I'm sure at least some of the attendees probably cross that line. Apparently at one time, the point was exactally that, to shock the prudes. The phrase "we're here, we're queer get used to it" comes to mind. It's an arguable point, but a potential latent effect of over the top pride parades is that respectable gays actually seem less weird to people by comparison. The other definite effect is that to some gays are painted as exactally what the pride parades suggest.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 8:27:20 AM     Post subject:  

Once agian, what does 2 have to say on the subject???
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Posted: 8/9/2005 2:53:52 PM     Post subject:  

Fuck, just when i'd forgotten that that picture existed. Oh well, i lol'd at the tear again. But on the subject of the parades, i'm not gay, but if i was i think i would be against them. Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't a decent amount of the parades (at least in SF) pretty much entirely designed to shock and offend the prudes? Every year theres a big fuss about the cross dressing nuns, the leather fetishests that whip there package out at every request, public lewd displays of sex. I don't think theres anything wrong with a parade but a lot of this shit doesn't seem to be reaching out to the ignorant as it were.


The gay community seems to be fighting itself in a lot of ways. On the one hand, they want tolerance and acceptance, on the other, they have these big gay pride parades designed to piss people off. Yes, I know they're supposed to be parties, but it doesn't make any logical sense to be telling people on the one hand that you're just as normal as they are, then go wandering down Main Street proving you're a bunch of freaks. Every gay friend I have is completely embarassed by the whole 'gay pride' nonsense.

Same goes for furries. You don't go around claiming to be 'fursecuted' while you're whacking off to Doug Winger art while wearing a fursuit. If you're going to act like an idiot, prepare to be treated like one.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 2:59:28 PM     Post subject:  

Once agian, what does 2 have to say on the subject???

I can't listen to his voice for more than a minute. It's the equivalent of having a spike rammed down your urethra.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 3:07:55 PM     Post subject:  

Once agian, what does 2 have to say on the subject???

He says HOLY SHIT CRAZY HOLY FUCKING CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO I CAN MAKE QUICK EDITS AND CHECK OUT THIS HOTT TECHNO LOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the way his voice cracks, he's 16, right?

Well. You can replace 'gay' with 'furry' in any pro- or anti-pride statement and get the same results. Actually, name me any form of pride movement that hasn't embarassed all the sane people connected to it. The pride groups will recieve their hubris eventually.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 4:04:07 PM     Post subject:  

Two years ago I was in Amsterdam for Pride Weekend. There, the parade floats literally float, as the parade courses down the city's intricate network of canals.

It was good craic, as the Irish say, nice weather, cheerful people, some hot dudes and some really skanky and pathetic floats dominating the scene.

I was standing on a bridge when an old lady about my height pushed her way beside me and lifted up a child of about seven onto her shoulders so he could wave at a boat of passing transvestites, who waved back.

It really flipped me. I'm hard pressed to be shocked at the myriad ways in which people can be petty or cruel or self-deluded, but seeing people be nice blew my mind.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 7:43:09 PM     Post subject:  

If you're going to act like an idiot, prepare to be treated like one.



Hellooooooooo sig!

But i got nothing against the parades. I was skating in sf once and we went ot go get food and ended up on the sidelines of the parade. I hate to admit it but i really wanted to beat the shit out of some of these guys(i'm sad to admit I was EXTREMELY homophobic in highschool, mainly by association). I'm sure it was a few bad apples but the way we were treated was basically "WE'RE GAY!! IN YOUR FACE! I dare you to violate my rights or hit me cuz your mind is so blown away cuz you can't comprehend the GAY!" Thy knew we were all strait but this group, they were relentless in harassing and making lewd comments. I felt like a chick with a huge rack walking by a construction site and like the construction workers catcalls, doing that shit at a pride parade isn't winning anybody over.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 7:50:15 PM     Post subject:  

Queers have as much right to be assholes as anybody else. And considering how many "reg'lar folks" invoke that right on a daily basis, they've got some catching up to do. Sometimes parades are good parties, sometimes they're het-bashings. C'est la vie.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 8:01:07 PM     Post subject:  

Queers have as much right to be assholes as anybody else. And considering how many "reg'lar folks" invoke that right on a daily basis, they've got some catching up to do. Sometimes parades are good parties, sometimes they're het-bashings. C'est la vie.


yeah I didn't think about that. It just seemed like a huge deal back then cuz i was a narrow minded manly highschool kid, and it killed me that i got super punked by some gays :lol:. IN hindsite it's not much different than when i got jumped by mexicans at cinco de mayo in San Jose, other than the violence of course. It was both groups of drunks (most likely) in there element feeling bold, that's all.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 8:02:00 PM     Post subject:  

The thing about hetero-bashing is that it doesn't help matters at all. If anything, it just makes things worse. Compare Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, and ask yourself who did more for blacks and civil rights. Besides which, just because lots of people are assholes, doesn't make it okay to be one. Isn't the whole point to be better than your antagonists?
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Posted: 8/9/2005 8:10:41 PM     Post subject:  

Antagonists? That's a bit much. The guys who are most serious about equal treatment for homosexuals are the guys you don't see at pride parades. They're the guys in jeans and short-sleeved shirts, hanging back and drinking a beer. The guys you do see are the ones who want special rights for gays and publicly slam movies that don't deserve slamming, as well as the guys and gals who've turned their backs on mainstream society and send out a big Fuck You, I'm Queer message.

So yeah, I totally agree that it doesn't help, just don't make the mistake of lumping all queers together as if they're one group contradicting themselves like idiots.

What I want to see is a Pro-Gay Rights, Anti-Supergay Excesses movement. Regular folks who happen to fancy their own gender crashing leather bars and ripping the moustaches off men's nipples, sending people to jail for wearing a shirt marked "Boy Toy" while they're fifty, balding and severely overweight, and whos pride parade consists of a bunch of people who happen to be walking on the street instead of the pavement :)
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Posted: 8/9/2005 9:36:09 PM     Post subject:  

I felt like a chick with a huge rack walking by a construction site and like the construction workers catcalls


This brings to mind yet another possible cause of anti-gay sentiment, suddenly men know how women feel and do not want to discontinue their own inappropriate behavior.

guys and gals who've turned their backs on mainstream society and send out a big Fuck You, I'm Queer message


Reminds me of a dicussion I had recently. Seems like there are two strong camps in the gay world, the assimilationists(let's try to be as normal as possible so we can broaden the circle of what's acceptable) and the seperatists(we're already on the outside so who cares how outrageous we get, we'll never be accepted anyway). There is a third camp and the largest by far IMO, which is as you put it are just hanging around drinking a beer and chilling out.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 9:47:00 PM     Post subject:  

Seems like there are two strong camps in the gay world, the assimilationists(let's try to be as normal as possible so we can broaden the circle of what's acceptable) and the seperatists(we're already on the outside so who cares how outrageous we get, we'll never be accepted anyway). There is a third camp and the largest by far IMO, which is as you put it are just hanging around drinking a beer and chilling out.


And thus, we have a connection to Furries.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 10:18:22 PM     Post subject:  

Seems like there are two strong camps in the gay world, the assimilationists(let's try to be as normal as possible so we can broaden the circle of what's acceptable) and the seperatists(we're already on the outside so who cares how outrageous we get, we'll never be accepted anyway). There is a third camp and the largest by far IMO, which is as you put it are just hanging around drinking a beer and chilling out.

And thus, we have a connection to Furries.

Except in furrydumb the "seperatists" seem to be the largest group. You could say they're just more vocal, but considering how much of furry art and writing is really fucked up (from insane fetishes to OMG I'M A WOLF type stuff), I get the definite impression that the lunatics are running the furry show by now.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 10:37:36 PM     Post subject:  

As much as I don't want to further tie the whole gay thing to the furry thing. There are quite a few men who have sex with men who will not refer to themselves as gay or bisexual, not in the traditional "in the closet sense" because they are out there enough to get laid, but arent part of the larger gay scene.

As evidenced here, there are also a number of people who like what's commonly refered to as "furry" art and even "yiffy" art but would never dream of associating themselves with the furry scene.

Granted the whole thing doesn't sync up because comparing a fetish to a sexual orientation is the old "apples to oranges" thing.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 11:16:46 PM     Post subject:  

As much as I don't want to further tie the whole gay thing to the furry thing. There are quite a few men who have sex with men who will not refer to themselves as gay or bisexual, not in the traditional "in the closet sense" because they are out there enough to get laid, but arent part of the larger gay scene.

As evidenced here, there are also a number of people who like what's commonly refered to as "furry" art and even "yiffy" art but would never dream of associating themselves with the furry scene.

Granted the whole thing doesn't sync up because comparing a fetish to a sexual orientation is the old "apples to oranges" thing.


That's rediculous. If your sexually attracted to men and pursue m/m sex, you are gay/bi.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 11:21:24 PM     Post subject:  

There are guys out there who have sex with men but don't consider themselves gay. They'r in it for the quick, easy sex, but have no romantic attraction.

Let me be the first to say I don't get these guys, but they're out there, and I think these are what Tyro was referring to.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 1:11:10 AM     Post subject:  

To add even more fun to the mix, I know of guys who don't consider themselves gay OR furry, but who go to furry conventions because of the nearly limitless supply of anonymous man-sex.

And of course the oft-thrown-about term "jailhouse gay" that seems to denote a significant percentage of the fandom.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:04:38 AM     Post subject:  

If you're a man out to have sex with other men and you don't consider yourself bi/gay, then you're in denial. A person who willingly engages in homosexual intercourse should be by definition homosexual.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:31:11 AM     Post subject:  

Didn't we just have that discussion with CigarSkunk? How long is it unil somebody mentions strap-ons? :roll:

Besides, that has little to do with the injustice of fursecution! :wink:
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Posted: 8/10/2005 2:09:17 PM     Post subject:  

It's not gay unless you're recieving. That's how a lot of them justify it, and I suspect that was CigarSkunk's rationale as well. For a surpring number of people, submissive = not manly = gay. It ain't gay unless you're the one bending over and taking it.

But getting back to the main topic, seperatists in both the gay and furry camps really ought to realize that you cannot force acceptance of outlandish behaviors. People have their boundaries, and pushing on them is just going to provoke them into pushing violently back. There wouldn't be half as much objection to gay rights if so many homosexuals weren't so in-your-face about it. Gays would have full domestic rights by now if they wouldn't insist on using the term "marriage".
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:48:39 PM     Post subject:  

But i got nothing against the parades. I was skating in sf once and we went ot go get food and ended up on the sidelines of the parade. I hate to admit it but i really wanted to beat the shit out of some of these guys(i'm sad to admit I was EXTREMELY homophobic in highschool, mainly by association). I'm sure it was a few bad apples but the way we were treated was basically "WE'RE GAY!! IN YOUR FACE! I dare you to violate my rights or hit me cuz your mind is so blown away cuz you can't comprehend the GAY!" Thy knew we were all strait but this group, they were relentless in harassing and making lewd comments. I felt like a chick with a huge rack walking by a construction site and like the construction workers catcalls, doing that shit at a pride parade isn't winning anybody over.


I've got nothing against the parades either, but they're sending a mixed message. Gays have to decide if they want equal rights because they're just as normal as everyone else or if they want to be seen as a bunch of freaks humping light poles. Pick one. Can't have it both ways.

Same goes for furries. This whole 'fursecuted' crap is ridiculous. If you don't want to be 'fursecuted' don't act like an asshole. It's the logical things that seem so hard for these people.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:57:07 PM     Post subject:  

As much as I don't want to further tie the whole gay thing to the furry thing. There are quite a few men who have sex with men who will not refer to themselves as gay or bisexual, not in the traditional "in the closet sense" because they are out there enough to get laid, but arent part of the larger gay scene.


A lot of people aren't going to like this, but I've come to the conclusion that a large percentage of 'gays' in furry fandom aren't really gay in the sense that it's been genetically coded in their DNA, but they're jailhouse gay because they have no other options.

Let's face it, there are a lot of people who come to furry fandom who couldn't get laid RL in a whorehouse with a Visa Platinum. These people are fanatical about the idea of sex. That's all they think about. That's all they dream about. They've turned the whole concept into a holy mission and the entire purpose of their lives.

Then they get to the fandom and 99% of everyone they see is a guy. Even most of the girls are really guys in disguise, at least on the MUCKs. So they adapt, they go gay or bi-sexual online. It's between that and being virgins. When they start meeting these people RL, they're so buried in the 'lifestyle' that it isn't much of a leap to jump from online gay sex to real life gay sex. In the end, it's just a bunch of pathetic losers screwing each other, but isn't that what furry fandom has turned into?
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Posted: 8/10/2005 8:53:05 PM     Post subject:  

I'm not sure I buy into the whole jailhouse gay thing. I'm sure some are jailhouse gay, but I think that a good portion are true blue homosexuals. From what I can glean based on pics I've seen, the typical furry is so ugly they'd get booted from most gay bars, made fun of horribly or at best ignored completely. Ugly as they are they'd have a better chance with ugly chicks. But this nastyness is probably why they only can get laid within the fandom.

As for the "fursecution" thing. I think it goes without saying that when a bunch of social rejects congregate, whatever the product of said congregation is will be mocked in proportion to the dork vibes eminating.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 10:49:47 PM     Post subject:  

I've got nothing against the parades either, but they're sending a mixed message. Gays have to decide if they want equal rights because they're just as normal as everyone else or if they want to be seen as a bunch of freaks humping light poles. Pick one. Can't have it both ways.


As has been said: the folks wanting equal rights and to be treated like normal people aren't the same ones that go to the parade. It's like saying Muslims or Christians have to decide whether they're modern, tolerant citizens of society who practice their religion in the privacy of their homes and religious institutions as is their civic right -- or if they're misogynist homophobes who want the world to be emptied of anyone who isn't exactly like them.

Tyro: good point. It's often been argued that Fat ugly furs turn gay because they can't get chicks -- men are on the whole even more superficial and after good-looking partners than women are. Fat ugly furs have little chance of scoring reasonable-looking girls or guys. All they can get is other fat ugly furs.

"Fat ugly fur" should be a separate gender. The way that in Japan, the 'schoolgirl' is such a completely different creature from a 'woman', in terms of the stereotypes and values associated with them, that they constitute a third gender.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 10:53:38 PM     Post subject:  

As much as I don't want to further tie the whole gay thing to the furry thing. There are quite a few men who have sex with men who will not refer to themselves as gay or bisexual, not in the traditional "in the closet sense" because they are out there enough to get laid, but arent part of the larger gay scene.


A lot of people aren't going to like this, but I've come to the conclusion that a large percentage of 'gays' in furry fandom aren't really gay in the sense that it's been genetically coded in their DNA, but they're jailhouse gay because they have no other options.

Let's face it, there are a lot of people who come to furry fandom who couldn't get laid RL in a whorehouse with a Visa Platinum. These people are fanatical about the idea of sex. That's all they think about. That's all they dream about. They've turned the whole concept into a holy mission and the entire purpose of their lives.

Then they get to the fandom and 99% of everyone they see is a guy. Even most of the girls are really guys in disguise, at least on the MUCKs. So they adapt, they go gay or bi-sexual online. It's between that and being virgins. When they start meeting these people RL, they're so buried in the 'lifestyle' that it isn't much of a leap to jump from online gay sex to real life gay sex. In the end, it's just a bunch of pathetic losers screwing each other, but isn't that what furry fandom has turned into?


Truly, furry fandom is the most embarassing of all jihads. Durka durka.
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Posted: 8/10/2005 10:58:33 PM     Post subject:  

I've got nothing against the parades either, but they're sending a mixed message. Gays have to decide if they want equal rights because they're just as normal as everyone else or if they want to be seen as a bunch of freaks humping light poles. Pick one. Can't have it both ways.

Same goes for furries. This whole 'fursecuted' crap is ridiculous. If you don't want to be 'fursecuted' don't act like an asshole. It's the logical things that seem so hard for these people.



Other than the fact that i was expected to hate gays by my crew of friends in highschool, the main reason i didn't like them is cuz they were those "Let's SHOCK em!" type of gays at my highschool. And the funny thing is, after they graduated and nobody gave a shit they were gay anymore, they realized they were strait :lol:. I fricking hate teh "IN YOUR FACE!" type of anything, whether it's gay, strait, african, vegan, christian whatever. Just do what you want to do, nobody cares, nobodies mind is going to be blown.
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Posted: 8/11/2005 2:43:47 AM     Post subject:  

I found the whole gay marriage debate rather interesting, but likely because I'm a faggot furry myself... Bare with me.

Gays would have full domestic rights by now if they wouldn't insist on using the term "marriage".


Perhaps, failed politician Calbeck was trying to argue this with me on another forum. Typically, wouldn't you agree though that 'sugar-coating' political terms leads to confusion and is much like dishonesty-lite?

When the founding fathers sought seperation from the crown, did they try sugar coating the term for what they were after? It was 'revolution' this, 'liberty' that. They didn't pansy out and call it 'reform'. Likewise, was America 'desegregated' or 'integrated' in the 1950s and 60s, not 'homogenized'.

I personally feel that the issue isn't one of words, for how does it matter if some welfare mom can 'lease' a car? Does that make my 'lease' any less important? How does the independant happenings of others effect a similar institution with you.

The restriction comes with the church, of course. No minister or religious official should EVER be forced to marry anyone he doesn't want to, no matter the reason. I respect Sweden's decision regardin this.

At the very least, though, it raises the question if ANY couple wedded by a judge or by the state alone are 'married'.

It's like saying Muslims or Christians have to decide whether they're modern, tolerant citizens of society who practice their religion in the privacy of their homes and religious institutions as is their civic right -- or if they're misogynist homophobes who want the world to be emptied of anyone who isn't exactly like them.


Could agree more. I might debate this rather vehemently online, but I never have and never will attend a parade or whatnot. If someone else is an idiot, and just happens to share a characteristic with me, I can't be held responsible for their actions.

A lot of people aren't going to like this, but I've come to the conclusion that a large percentage of 'gays' in furry fandom aren't really gay in the sense that it's been genetically coded in their DNA, but they're jailhouse gay because they have no other options.


Although it is very true many furry (or general geek) gays may not actually have as strong tendencies towards homosexuality as non-furry gays... You can't have your cake and eat it to. If someone who bangs men and says they aren't gay is indeed homosexual, so is anyone who participates in homosexual acts.

It's all based upon oversimplification of the "Are people born gay or do they choose it" question, which is a bit like asking "Are people born nerds or do they choose to be?", the answer is 'both', without getting into fine points.

Boy am I a loudmouthed queer...
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Posted: 8/11/2005 3:10:38 AM     Post subject:  

I have no idea what we're talking about now, so I'll just throw some random shit out:

Furries like teh buttsecks because of two reasons: they're either gay/bi or they can't get laid by a woman. I think I figured out the reason for fursuits as well; they're so you don't have to see the face of the fugly fatass you're fucking.

I have no problems with gays, same as I have no problems with lesbians.

Lesbians...

Ahem. Anyway, I think part of the reason gays are villified is because some of them thrust their gayness into people's faces. I mean, I don't go around wearing a T-shirt that says "STRAIGHT PRIDE". You don't see "Straight Pride" priades with men fucking women on floats, do you?
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Posted: 8/11/2005 3:27:21 AM     Post subject:  

I have no idea what we're talking about now, so I'll just throw some random shit out:

Furries like teh buttsecks because of two reasons: they're either gay/bi or they can't get laid by a woman. I think I figured out the reason for fursuits as well; they're so you don't have to see the face of the fugly fatass you're fucking.

I have no problems with gays, same as I have no problems with lesbians.

Lesbians...

Ahem. Anyway, I think part of the reason gays are villified is because some of them thrust their gayness into people's faces. I mean, I don't go around wearing a T-shirt that says "STRAIGHT PRIDE". You don't see "Straight Pride" priades with men fucking women on floats, do you?

Actually, I saw some guy wearing a 'Straight Pride' shirt once.
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Posted: 8/11/2005 3:40:42 AM     Post subject:  


Ahem. Anyway, I think part of the reason gays are villified is because some of them thrust their gayness into people's faces. I mean, I don't go around wearing a T-shirt that says "STRAIGHT PRIDE". You don't see "Straight Pride" priades with men fucking women on floats, do you?


Ha! That reminds me of a friend who'd gone to a Fur Con wearing a small button that read, "Straight". Some faggolicious boi toy bounded up to him, stared at the button as if attempting to process the very idea that someone he thought was cute WASN'T interested in fucking him, gave him a dirty look, and said, "I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE!"

Seriously, wtf? If that's not a perfect example of (a) furries ruining everyting, and (b) out-of-control in-your-face faggotry, I don't know what is. Meh.
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Posted: 8/11/2005 4:26:29 AM     Post subject:  


Ahem. Anyway, I think part of the reason gays are villified is because some of them thrust their gayness into people's faces. I mean, I don't go around wearing a T-shirt that says "STRAIGHT PRIDE". You don't see "Straight Pride" priades with men fucking women on floats, do you?


Ha! That reminds me of a friend who'd gone to a Fur Con wearing a small button that read, "Straight". Some faggolicious boi toy bounded up to him, stared at the button as if attempting to process the very idea that someone he thought was cute WASN'T interested in fucking him, gave him a dirty look, and said, "I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE!"

Seriously, wtf? If that's not a perfect example of (a) furries ruining everyting, and (b) out-of-control in-your-face faggotry, I don't know what is. Meh.

But if a straight furry did that to a gay furry, it'd be OMG HOMOPHOBIA/FURSECUTION!11
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Posted: 8/11/2005 7:43:50 AM     Post subject:  

It's not just about homosexuality.

If anybody not totally insane does anything a furry doesn't like, ever, no matter what the subject, even something as non-offensive as trying to ignore the furries' obvious insanities, They mess with the guy in some way, either calling persecution, or pranking the guy, or posting loads of shit in their sobby little LJs.

My point of course being that when furries complain about anything ever to someone outside the fandom, instead of taking this bullshit from a bunch of wanking shock-jock wannabe loonies, they should tell em to go fuck off as they so richly deserve.

But then again, the furries might sit on that person, suffocating them horribly and ensuring they're never seen again.
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Posted: 8/11/2005 5:15:25 PM     Post subject:  

I'm not sure I buy into the whole jailhouse gay thing. I'm sure some are jailhouse gay, but I think that a good portion are true blue homosexuals. From what I can glean based on pics I've seen, the typical furry is so ugly they'd get booted from most gay bars, made fun of horribly or at best ignored completely. Ugly as they are they'd have a better chance with ugly chicks. But this nastyness is probably why they only can get laid within the fandom.


I don't think it has anything to do with looks, this kind of thing happens online all the time. I remember one 14-year old kid who logged onto FurryMUCK and immediately started hitting on a lot of female characters (most of whom are actually played by female players, incidentally). He was completely incompetent and annoying, following them around like a horny puppydog, etc. and was completely rejected.

It wasn't two weeks before he's suddenly 'gay' and married to another guy and openly talking about their sexual relationship online. Sad thing, it doesn't seem to bother anyone that this is a real 14-year old kid.
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Posted: 8/11/2005 5:18:42 PM     Post subject:  

Ahem. Anyway, I think part of the reason gays are villified is because some of them thrust their gayness into people's faces. I mean, I don't go around wearing a T-shirt that says "STRAIGHT PRIDE". You don't see "Straight Pride" priades with men fucking women on floats, do you?


Hey, just like you can't have a white guy walking down the street with a shirt that says WHITE PRIDE or he'll be called a racist, but try calling the black guy with the BLACK PRIDE shirt that he's a racist and he'll attack you.

Same shit, different shirt.

Don't try to be logical with these people, they're completely incapable. Kind of like furries.
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Posted: 8/12/2005 3:39:42 AM     Post subject:  

...this kind of thing happens online all the time...


I always take such stories with a grain of salt, no offense intended. I really can't say I've seen the online world to be otherwise because I really haven't looked. I have seen how overweight and ugly people are treated in real life, their personalities usually end up consisting of "please acknowledge my existance" which is unfortunate really. I suppose it's why they turn to MUCKing and other forms of online socialization.
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Posted: 8/12/2005 6:15:09 AM     Post subject:  

I think a majority of the >>UGLY<< furries are jailhouse gay, but that theory doesn't always apply to some of the more normal or good looking ones (and there are very few.. very,very few..) - I think the lack of females is more substatiantal than the jailhouse gay syndrome. For me, the actual homosexuality doesn't bother me as much as how socially inept or dumb some furries are... they could at least just be anti-social punks instead and it would be much cooler. :>
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Posted: 8/12/2005 2:25:39 PM     Post subject:  

Furries can be cool?
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Posted: 8/12/2005 2:38:16 PM     Post subject:  

A lot of the non-ugly ones turn gay because they're just inept at dating. I talked to one fairly average looking guy (apart from the tail) who told me that after being dumped by several girls, he decided to only date men instead.
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Posted: 8/12/2005 3:06:20 PM     Post subject:  

Furries can be cool?


Sure, if you lock 'em in a walk-in freezer.
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Posted: 8/12/2005 9:07:20 PM     Post subject:  

I'm talking more about fringe ones - or basically the nonfurs that still go to furry conventions.. but aren't furry.. lol
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Posted: 8/12/2005 10:39:37 PM     Post subject:  

A fringe furry? My word! And I thought those rubberfurs were weird! What do they do? Decorate their fursuits with needless tassels?

...

Sorry, I was both horrified and amused by that thought. I know you weren't being literal like that but...I'm just crazy like that. :?
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Posted: 8/12/2005 11:23:44 PM     Post subject:  

There are plenty of people who go to furry cons for sex, they don't have any interest whatsoever in anthropomorphics. And, as we all know, they're welcomed with open legs... I mean arms.
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Posted: 8/13/2005 1:35:50 AM     Post subject:  

That prison-sex mentality some of the furries have makes me so, so sad. You have to be pretty fucking desperate to change your sexual orientation because you are completely incapable of getting any from the gender you're REALLY attracted to.

I'm also kind of incapable of understanding why there would be "fringe" furries in the first place. Those people must be the biggest losers of the random-sex world. Can the pickings at furry conventions really be all that good if you're not actually turned on by the fuzzy-animal sex thing?

Also, hi. Bitter ex-furry here, pleased to meet you.
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Posted: 8/13/2005 2:42:09 AM     Post subject:  

Meh, I dunno - there are the nonfurs that go to furry cons.. Animal Control for example lol... so, I don't know really why they go to cons if they're not furries and all that shit.

All in all, it's all a big fucked up view... I really don't know why some of these people go to furry cons other than to just get drunk. Heh.
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Posted: 8/13/2005 5:39:25 PM     Post subject:  

Meh, I dunno - there are the nonfurs that go to furry cons.. Animal Control for example lol... so, I don't know really why they go to cons if they're not furries and all that shit.

I'm sure some people go to furry cons just to look at art and buy comics. There was a time when I contemplated attending AnthroCon for one day to do just that... that was before all the insane fetish porn/otherkin/stupid drama horrors of furry fandom dawned on me (and before I got fursuitophobia - surely a result of becoming aware of the fandom horrors).
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Posted: 8/13/2005 5:56:05 PM     Post subject:  

The most enjoyable experiences I have ever had attending a furry convention have been with people who "get" furry, yet are seperate enough from it to poke fun at it and remain in touch with reality, people like CYD. Xydexx nonwithstanding, Anthrocon remains the best convention for me as it has the largest amount of the new, young generation of furries, those that are fresh from the real world and other fandoms and who have not been around for a 10 year plus circle jerk between fans and artists to erode their sense of logic and instill them with drama. AC has the greatest percentage of females and straight males that I have ever seen at a furry convention, as well as the greatest number of furs who can just take or make a fucking joke at the expense of the fandom, (as opposed to the insular faggotry that is Further Confusion).

Personally I think Anthrocon is still a great yearly thing for me, but that's just me. It never was the sexual aspect of furry that drove me to CYD, but the bullshit and hypocrisy from my generation of fans.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:44:55 AM     Post subject:  

I think that picture is very well done. I love the colors. I kinda wish this artist would put his time into creating some works of art that were actually a little more socially acceptable. The furry thing is well, it's furry. Kinda lame. But damn, So many talented artists. I feel as though they're all wasting a talent.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 4:10:32 AM     Post subject:  

I think that picture is very well done. I love the colors. I kinda wish this artist would put his time into creating some works of art that were actually a little more socially acceptable. The furry thing is well, it's furry. Kinda lame. But damn, So many talented artists. I feel as though they're all wasting a talent.


Yeah, at least it's not porn. :P
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SWMyers
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Posted: 8/30/2005 1:26:17 PM     Post subject:  

Meh, I dunno - there are the nonfurs that go to furry cons.. Animal Control for example lol... so, I don't know really why they go to cons if they're not furries and all that shit.

All in all, it's all a big fucked up view... I really don't know why some of these people go to furry cons other than to just get drunk. Heh.


I kind of thought about going once just to see how insane it is. Then I realized I wouldn't go alone (or without some kind of cudgel), and I would NOT take any of my friends, because I think they suffer enough. If I ever meet someone who does want to go though, I'm still bringing the cudgel. Though, I guess I kind of have a car-crash syndrome, where I go out of my way to see how bad something is.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 4:23:51 PM     Post subject:  

I kind of thought about going once just to see how insane it is. Then I realized I wouldn't go alone (or without some kind of cudgel), and I would NOT take any of my friends, because I think they suffer enough. If I ever meet someone who does want to go though, I'm still bringing the cudgel. Though, I guess I kind of have a car-crash syndrome, where I go out of my way to see how bad something is.


One of my hardcore furry friends invited me to go with him to one. He's also my future roomate, I met one guy who invited me in with him and two friends. The one inviting me is one of the two friends. The other two are furries, and while one is somewhat serious about getting in touch with his inner animal and other stuff he says, the other (kinda like me) seems somewhat embarassed to be in this fandom. The third guy is a total hugglepouncer, nuzzler, and murrs a lot. Really, he's a nice guy who's been through hard times and I don't mind his behaviour as long as he's not humping my leg, but I'm not sure about going to a con with him. He'll be fursuiting and probably heavily socialising. If I went on my own, I'd just look at art and for the fuck of it sit in on some lectures. Besides I'm a fairly attractive female, and if as you all say most furries are jailhouse gay it may not be too safe.
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P.V. Jeltz
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Posted: 9/10/2005 2:57:04 AM     Post subject:  

REALLY FUCKING GAY.

I couldn't see the homosexuality through ALL THE GODDAMN GAY. WAY TO MAKE HOMOSEXUALS LOOK GAY, FURRIES.


What are you trying to say? That it's to gay to be homosexual? Or that it's too gay to be furry? Or that it's too furry to be gay?

Or perhaps you're trying to say that it's gay enough to be furry, but too gay to be homosexual. Or that it's just furry enough to be gay, but the homosexuality is lost in all the ...

Aw fuck it. I think I'll just stick to Vogon Poetry.
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