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Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

Doug Winger.

I use to have some respect for Doug. He was one of those furry artists who balanced a fine line between drawing perverted artwork and being lighthearted about it. It was like his work was a mix between a mockery of and a tribute to the fandom. Also, he's one of the very, very, very, very small percentage of furry artists who can actually draw.

Lately I noticed, from his latest art, he seemed... well... bored...

Observe his last picture:

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Doug-Winger/Visiting.jpg

Generic large-breasted squirrel. Okay. Fine. Then the caption:

"Really, I'm just visiting. (Insert Obligatory Nuts Pun Here)"

Huh? What did that say?

"(Insert Obligatory Nuts Pun Here)"

"(Insert Obligatory Nuts Pun Here)"

"(Insert Obligatory Nuts Pun Here)"

Doug wants me to insert my own joke into his work. Isn't that a little lazy? And what's this "visiting" stuff. I don't get it. What's the joke?

With the recent lack of updates on his VCL account and the recent crop of abnormally (for him at least) vanilla images, would I be right in suggesting Winger is bored with the whole furry fandom?

Granted, his stuff is still popular. Look at the herm board on fchan. You can hardly go to any post there without reading the name "Doug Winger" or seeing a Winger image.

I also heard from fchan there was a secret site of his. However, I also heard it gets updated about as much as his VCL directory.

So... hardly any updates on any of his sites... a rabid fanbase full of freaks and losers... artwork that hardly seems up to his usual shock-value mark... Has Doug Winger given up?

My answer is "Yes". What's your take on it?

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

I think he's satirizing himself. Again.

I can't say if he's bored or just feeling inspired in other ways. I can say that, his public VCL gallery doesn't see a lot of his work. He's still doing weird Doug-art, and it shows up elsewhere. His private site sees a few more updates than his public. The rest goes elsewhere, comissions, niche galleries, whatever.

I could always ask him.

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

I've heard about the Doug art you never hear about until a rumour creeps along. Then it usually ends up on fchan, which usually results in "OMG DOUG AERS THE WIND BENEATH MY WINGS!"

I actually had a mental image of Winger trapped in his apartment with a bottle of Jack shouting, "I don't wanna draw any more freaky spooge pics! Why don't those fuckers want to see my real art? I draw other things besides six-dicknippled furries, ya know!! *glug glug gulp*"

I think he's satirizing himself. Again.

Okay, now I get it. Me am slow in brain DUUUUR

It seems like he's doing a lot of visiting lately

Here's another question about Winger: Do you think his artwork encourages a lot of furversion? Or do you think it acts as just a mere reflection of the furversion?

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

A lot of his artwork depicts characters other people play on FurryMUCK. So, yeah, he's definitely reflecting things that are already out there. On the other hand his stuff's been around for about a century, and his fanbase is large enough that there's no doubt his work has encouraged some of the stuff in it.

Annnnnd... one hopes that's 'furversion' in a sarcastic tone!

Beauty of Nature · Prattler Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 178

I honestly do not care what Mister Winger's intentions are.
His stuff is plain ugly.

itsthesheppy · Qualificator Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 29

Like razorblades on the retina.

CI · Apocrisiary Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 50

Not always, though examples like this are pretty much exceptions to the rule.

And, looking at the sheer volume and repetitiveness on VCL, I also vote for 'yes'.

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

I still don't buy the whole "he draws 5000 hermaphrodite foxes/bunnies cumming all over themselves as a joke on the rest of the fandom" deal. Maybe if he did one or two that were really humorous or subtley tongue in cheek but no, he just draws them, tons of them. He's probably spent a thousand hours drawing hermaphradites with 7 foot cocks and he gives them names and keeps drawing them in different spoogy situations. I'm just not buying that he doesn't get off on that shit.

At one time i'm pretty sure that he just drew pinup girls with ginormous boobs then his shit got steadily weirder and weirder. Much like almost every attrocity creator in the fandom, they ease into it cuz furry ruins everything, even morals and sensibilities.

AlbinoHagfish · Prattler Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 199

Not always, though examples like this are pretty much exceptions to the rule.

I love that picture. It's the one Winger drawing I've seen that doesn't involve

A) Some varient of Cockzilla
B) A Hermtaur
C) Something that makes me wonder if my meds have spoiled
D) All of the above

It doesn't matter to me WHY he does it. He's got talent, and probably makes a ton. Whether he draws it as a joke or not, people definatly get off to it and that is just terrifying.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1091

Not always, though examples like this are pretty much exceptions to the rule.

I love that picture. It's the one Winger drawing I've seen that doesn't involve

A) Some varient of Cockzilla
B) A Hermtaur
C) Something that makes me wonder if my meds have spoiled
D) All of the above

It doesn't matter to me WHY he does it. He's got talent, and probably makes a ton. Whether he draws it as a joke or not, people definatly get off to it and that is just terrifying.

I agree. He's definetley got talent...but needs to use it for the good of the world, not for...you know, the shit he actually draws.

baserock love · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 685

I'm not sure he has talent. IF you only draw one thing, you can get good at drawing it pretty quick. Has he ever posted drawings of anything else he's done? If he has I haven't see em.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 105

Would it be irony that he does most of those pics in satire, yet they end up as chief wanking material for the dick girl fetishists out there?

The New Meat · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 933

Hey, cut the guy some slack. We all have our off days!

Goofy · Vociferator Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 311

I'm just not buying that he doesn't get off on that shit.

That's debatable and very speculative. And whether he does or not is a minor issue. It pales to the fact that he can stay exceedingly rational in the midst of drama, unlike say Schwartz. My guess is he accepts what he draws as "batshit insane porno" and just keeps on drawing it without raising much of a fuss.

It's just recently, I've noticed he seems a little... drained... His few images from the last few months have been pretty tame... It make me wonder if the guy's getting tired of the whole "fifty foot herm with massive cocks" thing.

Annnnnd... one hopes that's 'furversion' in a sarcastic tone!

Of course not, cause I never say anything sarcastic around these parts and always use made-up, bullshit words in their exact context rather than using them in a loose association.

Troggler · Venter Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 246

The idea that he's getting burnt out is not entirely unbelievable. I mean, how many gratuitously oversized penises could you draw before deciding you want to draw other subjects? Maybe he wants to branch out or just plain move the hell away from herm/furry art, but his fanbase is demanding more of the same.

Rewind · Qualificator Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 16

The idea that he's getting burnt out is not entirely unbelievable. I mean, how many gratuitously oversized penises could you draw before deciding you want to draw other subjects? Maybe he wants to branch out or just plain move the hell away from herm/furry art, but his fanbase is demanding more of the same.

I agree. How many people could stand being active in the furry fandom - the hardcore one - for more than ten years, without feeling nauseated?

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 326

If he IS getting bored then whats stopping him uploading drawings of something different? Nobody's paying him to see his VCL so he's not obligated to please his fans comstantly. Perhaps he is uploading other works under another name.

When I look at his work I always wonder what his parents think of it or if they even know. I find it fascinating to wonder what his family life might be like and if they actually know he has 2000 drawings of that type of thing. He's pretty easy to find if his family ever use the net.

Beauty of Nature · Prattler Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 178

If he IS getting bored then whats stopping him uploading drawings of something different? Nobody's paying him to see his VCL so he's not obligated to please his fans comstantly. Perhaps he is uploading other works under another name.

When I look at his work I always wonder what his parents think of it or if they even know. I find it fascinating to wonder what his family life might be like and if they actually know he has 2000 drawings of that type of thing. He's pretty easy to find if his family ever use the net.

Oh, considering how old Winger is by now and how old his parents must be.Its unlikely they have Internet access. Cousins or siblings may not exist. They would have to know that he draws animal people, puts them on the Internet and it would have to get them curious before they google him up. I browsed the Internet for years as an innocent cartoon fan without taking note that the furries exist.
And is "Doug Winger" his real name ?

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1225

Personally I think Doug Winger might be getting tired of drawing the same shocker OMG MY EYES pics. If you look at the stuff he's done since July of 2004, there hasn't been a single gargantuan horse cock, no buckets of spooge, no herm taurs, no pics of Pandora or Pup or the mink who looks alot like a certain Animaniacs character, just pics of female furs with back problems. I mean if I were to have drawn that much stuff, I'd get tired too.

Or maybe he's just growing up, going through a new phase. A new, better Doug Winger!

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 326

How old is he anyway?

CI · Apocrisiary Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 50

Too old.

For this shit.

Griphonix · Prattler Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 165

Personally I think Doug Winger might be getting tired of drawing the same shocker OMG MY EYES pics. If you look at the stuff he's done since July of 2004, there hasn't been a single gargantuan horse cock, no buckets of spooge, no herm taurs, no pics of Pandora or Pup or the mink who looks alot like a certain Animaniacs character, just pics of female furs with back problems. I mean if I were to have drawn that much stuff, I'd get tired too.

Or maybe he's just growing up, going through a new phase. A new, better Doug Winger!

After 923 you'd hope so. I don't know this guy, but I find it hard the it's only parody and lol. A few, yes... I can't see how he can do over nine hundred and them still only be a joke.

TheBobSays · Venter Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 236

Personally I think Doug Winger might be getting tired of drawing the same shocker OMG MY EYES pics. If you look at the stuff he's done since July of 2004, there hasn't been a single gargantuan horse cock, no buckets of spooge, no herm taurs, no pics of Pandora or Pup or the mink who looks alot like a certain Animaniacs character, just pics of female furs with back problems. I mean if I were to have drawn that much stuff, I'd get tired too.

Or maybe he's just growing up, going through a new phase. A new, better Doug Winger!

After 923 you'd hope so. I don't know this guy, but I find it hard the it's only parody and lol. A few, yes... I can't see how he can do over nine hundred and them still only be a joke.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1092

Well, if anyone's really curious as to why Winger makes what he makes, why not ask him? His email address is right there on his VCL index.

Seriously, if anyone can be bothered to do it, and Winger doesn't mind talking to someone involved with CYD, it could be a nice thing with a straight, serious, no-frills interview with one of furry fandom's most famous artists. It sure beats guessing why he makes what he makes.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 625

The truth is a little less exciting than you might expect. He's not exactly an artistic demigod sitting untouchable on Olympus, rather a man with an odd sense of humor and a fascination with a theme (though not to the exclusion of other themes). Our informal interview ran a little like an Apple Jacks commercial.

This isn't a political statement or social revolution at work. This is me having fun, with folks and solo.

He tries to push the theme, and the direction it's gone in is indicative of what theme he's actually using - if he was in it to freak people out he'd be throwing more dicknipples around. If his work was solely fap material it'd have fewer funny sound effects. I think the theme revolves around absurd images and bad puns. Recently he's had trouble focusing on his work, some flotilla of interruptions. If the quality of his work has declined recently, I'd blame it on those and the difficulty of making material he hasn't covered in the past.

No, the only problem is that all the easy puns have already been used, and I have to work to come up with new ones. Makes it a challenge.

His work isn't entirely unlike WCotP, for better or worse. Some of the jokes really work better when you know the involved parties.

I grew up on usenet, in the comp groups. Been there, done that, and have the mental scars to prove it.

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 548

ehhh!why bother?