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Posted: 8/20/2005 4:50:04 AM     Post subject: WCotP: WtF?  

OK, may have been covered before... Why does the main site have a drawn picture of the artist as a horse or donkey or something in what seems to me (a war history nerd) to be some variation on the WWII Heer (German Army) uniform, with a Gefreiter arm patch? Seriously, the fuck?

The collar patch is hard to make out... It doesn't look Heer to me... If it was Waffen-SS, that would be offensive on 2 different levels: The obvious, and the historical.

Now, I am not hating on the Heer, far from it, it's just a little odd...
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Posted: 8/20/2005 6:07:09 AM     Post subject:  

Cause Jim Groat eats shit.

Besides, I'm more worried about this picture: http://www.graphxpress.com/images/merchandise/wcotpbk8Keeponmuckin.jpg

SUBTLE HOMOEROTICA HA HA HA
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Posted: 8/20/2005 7:12:29 AM     Post subject:  

Does WCotP seem to get stupider every day? What the fuck is the point of making a webcomic that nobody can possibly understand? Is he afraid of elaborating a little bit so that other people can get the jokes too?

Normally I can pickup most jokes. I might not find it funny, but I understand the joke. This stuff is too obsecure for me to have even an idea of what is going it. It's not random, it's fucking stupid.

http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20050605 <--- Is he completely insane?

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Posted: 8/20/2005 8:27:52 AM     Post subject:  

He draws lots of chaotic assemblies.
http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20050717

Who is the "Unfunny art jam artist" in the bottom right corner ?
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Posted: 8/20/2005 6:11:49 PM     Post subject:  

Who is the "Unfunny art jam artist" in the bottom right corner ?

Judging by the style and sig, I'd say Dutch, the guy who draws Misty the Mouse.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 3:02:39 AM     Post subject:  

Does WCotP seem to get stupider every day? What the fuck is the point of making a webcomic that nobody can possibly understand? Is he afraid of elaborating a little bit so that other people can get the jokes too?

That's the whole point. The in-jokes are supposed to be so obscure that virtually nobody gets them. The fewer people who understand the jokes, the more elite the inner circle is. In other words, it's a circle jerk on display.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 3:39:45 AM     Post subject:  

But what's with the uniform?

I also think that there's a German WWII-era PaK 40 75mm AT gun in a pic on the merch page.

Wierd.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 3:42:46 AM     Post subject:  

But what's with the uniform?


Well, this is also the guy who sells t-shirts with a razor-wire McD's logo and the slogan "Arbeit Macht Fries", and gets violent when other people own bigger guns than he does.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 1:11:13 PM     Post subject:  

Does WCotP seem to get stupider every day? What the fuck is the point of making a webcomic that nobody can possibly understand? Is he afraid of elaborating a little bit so that other people can get the jokes too?

That's the whole point. The in-jokes are supposed to be so obscure that virtually nobody gets them. The fewer people who understand the jokes, the more elite the inner circle is. In other words, it's a circle jerk on display.


How can it get popular if it only has a few people who understand it?
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Posted: 8/22/2005 1:31:21 PM     Post subject:  

OK, may have been covered before...

Yes.
Very much so.

http://www.graphxpress.com/images/merchandise/wcotpbk8Keeponmuckin.jpg

Gah, Groat deserves a swift kick in the balls for screwing with Robert Crumb's "Keep on truckin'" like that.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 2:09:20 PM     Post subject:  

He draws lots of chaotic assemblies.
http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20050717


Biggest circle-jerk ever!
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Posted: 8/22/2005 3:32:01 PM     Post subject:  

I seem to remember seeing furries decked out in Heer and even occasionally Waffen-SS* or SS gear...

Pic NSFW from ED: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Anime_furry_nazis.jpg

Part of me is saying "The uniform on the one on the left is slightly odd... The collar patch looks wrong, and I can't see any SS insignia on the cap... It looks more like a Heer uniform, with siegrunen just chucked on, and of course the artist has chosen to portray Field Grey as being more green than grey... The one on the right looks to be dressed in Allgemeine-SS** or SS-Totenkopfverbande*** uniform... Or perhaps an SS Panzer uniform..."

And then another part of me is "DUDE IT'S A WOLF BLOWING A FOX AND THEY'RE IN SS UNIFORM".

*The military wing of the SS, originally incorporating men taken from the other wings of the SS, then new recruits.
**The general SS.
***Concentration camp guards, some were taken to form the SS division Totenkopf.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 9:27:21 PM     Post subject:  

I seem to remember seeing furries decked out in Heer and even occasionally Waffen-SS* or SS gear...

Pic NSFW from ED: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Anime_furry_nazis.jpg

Part of me is saying "The uniform on the one on the left is slightly odd... The collar patch looks wrong, and I can't see any SS insignia on the cap... It looks more like a Heer uniform, with siegrunen just chucked on, and of course the artist has chosen to portray Field Grey as being more green than grey... The one on the right looks to be dressed in Allgemeine-SS** or SS-Totenkopfverbande*** uniform... Or perhaps an SS Panzer uniform..."

And then another part of me is "DUDE IT'S A WOLF BLOWING A FOX AND THEY'RE IN SS UNIFORM".

*The military wing of the SS, originally incorporating men taken from the other wings of the SS, then new recruits.
**The general SS.
***Concentration camp guards, some were taken to form the SS division Totenkopf.


Yeah that link doesn't work. In hindsight i'm very happy it didn't. And some random that saw my old vcl account emailed me once to tell me my style was like this guy named Jim Groat. The dudes not a terrible cartoonist but his style is lame and generic, i disagree with that random.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 9:47:38 PM     Post subject:  

Check out the ED furry article then. It's one of those things that has to be seen, for WtF value.

It's not especially nasty porn-wise, but I simply don't get what's with the Nazi gear, or Groat's German uniform.

Seriously, I have seen at least 3 separate instances of WWII Wehrmacht or even SS imagery in furry stuff. Maybe even 4-5.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 10:54:48 PM     Post subject:  

Check out the ED furry article then. It's one of those things that has to be seen, for WtF value.

It's not especially nasty porn-wise, but I simply don't get what's with the Nazi gear, or Groat's German uniform.

Seriously, I have seen at least 3 separate instances of WWII Wehrmacht or even SS imagery in furry stuff. Maybe even 4-5.


Go check out the /M/ board at fchan, there was a whole thread about it including drama.

One furry "Your sick, the Nazi's killed gay people"

Other furry "But the uniforms/dobermans are teh sexy!"
Drama ensues etc etc.

Some of you may know of Nimrais, she asked me to draw her character in a Nazi luftwaffe uniform in an art trade............I did it.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 10:57:30 PM     Post subject:  

Why dobermans and not German shepherds?
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Posted: 8/22/2005 11:01:06 PM     Post subject:  

Why dobermans and not German shepherds?


Search me, you'd have to ask the gay nazi furs. I thought someone here expressed a fondness for "dobies" once ask him/her. Someday i will own a german shepherd, my buddies got a kennel club one and it's one of the coolest dogs ever.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 11:02:29 PM     Post subject:  

That sound you hear might just be the ghost of Adolf Hitler crying.
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Posted: 8/22/2005 11:55:07 PM     Post subject:  

Mein Ehre Ist Yiff.

Groat Mit Uns.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 12:52:14 AM     Post subject:  

I'm getting this urge to find a 12" figure that is in some way anthropomorphic and throw some stuff from my collection of Dragon 12" German WWII figures on it.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:22:00 AM     Post subject:  

Why dobermans and not German shepherds?


Search me, you'd have to ask the gay nazi furs. I thought someone here expressed a fondness for "dobies" once ask him/her. Someday i will own a german shepherd, my buddies got a kennel club one and it's one of the coolest dogs ever.


I've seen German Shepherds too. I think most furries assume Dobermans are German, and therefore Nazi because they share a bit of their name with a German tactic; "Pincher".

Groat just likes Nazi parephenalia because he hates the French, and once went to said nation with a Wermarcht cap, embuing the same spirit as a teenager who goes to an local GOP headquarters wearing a hammer and sickle.

Now, I cold see how one can be attracted to uniforms and not ideals of dictatorships. I happen to collect ex-soviet crap, and I even have a friend who owns an Iraqi Republican Guard uniform. Yet, I don't think Marx was teh awesome. However, the furries who post on the nazifur LJ group where that picture was posted seem to actually endorse fascism. While homosexuals like them would have ended up in concentration camps.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:48:42 AM     Post subject:  

And that's what's really ironic here isn't it? THe fact that all these guys are falling all over themselves to worship something that would have killed them brutally. Amazing.

Also, French-hating = fail.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 3:19:58 AM     Post subject:  

Why dobermans and not German shepherds?


Search me, you'd have to ask the gay nazi furs. I thought someone here expressed a fondness for "dobies" once ask him/her. Someday i will own a german shepherd, my buddies got a kennel club one and it's one of the coolest dogs ever.


I've seen German Shepherds too. I think most furries assume Dobermans are German, and therefore Nazi because they share a bit of their name with a German tactic; "Pincher".

Groat just likes Nazi parephenalia because he hates the French, and once went to said nation with a Wermarcht cap, embuing the same spirit as a teenager who goes to an local GOP headquarters wearing a hammer and sickle.

Now, I cold see how one can be attracted to uniforms and not ideals of dictatorships. I happen to collect ex-soviet crap, and I even have a friend who owns an Iraqi Republican Guard uniform. Yet, I don't think Marx was teh awesome. However, the furries who post on the nazifur LJ group where that picture was posted seem to actually endorse fascism. While homosexuals like them would have ended up in concentration camps.

Dobermans ARE from Germany, actually.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:00:39 AM     Post subject:  

As are Dachshunds... But there's no gay wiener-dog Nazi porn.

I have actually never seen a Dachshund furry. Perhaps that is a good thing.

And I didn't see anything on Groat's site that looked anti-French... Just 2 German-WWII things.

If furries existed in Germany in the 30s, I'm betting there would have been a lot of radical weight loss after some point or another.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:45:32 AM     Post subject:  

I also think theres just a thing with Asians and WWII/Nazi stuff. Manga / formerly furry comic company Antarctic Press about half thier titles is Nazi stuff.

(Not like Neo-Nazi white power stuff, but like Nazis adn Hitler and WWII History and all this.)

I also remember reading several articles a long time ago about these controversies in asia with Nazi-themed TV commercials (e.g. Brand X potato chips where the 'X' swirls into a swastika) and a Concentration camp themed restaurant somewhere in Asia... Maybe that one was Korea.

edit: ah!
heres a blurb about the potato chips
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Posted: 8/23/2005 8:22:14 AM     Post subject:  

One of the reasons I'm so thick-skinned concerning furries and their tendency to absolutely humorlessly dramatize even the most ridiculous subjects without any ability to detect irony or roll with the punches is that living in germany has desensitized me concerning that.

EVERYTIME, EVERY FUCKING TIME Jack Applepie from Dogshit Nebraska or Otakku Baccabacca from Tokyo don an SS uniform and go out to re-enact their favorite hits from "Where eagles dare" or "The longest day" there is a SWARM of german journalists writing HIGHLY CONCERNED articles or making SHOCKING TV-reports to unleash upon the german public on slow news days.

The amount of drama that is created by that even exceeds the usual furry standards. You'd have to make a bonfire in front of Anthrocon and burn some crucified fursuits and plushies at the stake to create a similar reaction.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 2:14:34 PM     Post subject:  

Groat just likes Nazi parephenalia because he hates the French, and once went to said nation with a Wermarcht cap, embuing the same spirit as a teenager who goes to an local GOP headquarters wearing a hammer and sickle.

I don't know why Groat likes the Wehrmacht caps, but I think he was just blissfully ignorant that it's not a good idea to wear German WWII regalia while visiting any country that was attacked and occupied by the Nazis. Groat's hate of France is stupid and crypto-racist, of course, but AFAIK it only came about after his visit to France:

Groat, Steve Gallacci and a few other assorted furry (or rather pre-furry) artists went to the Angouleme comics festival in France in 1992. That year a huge group of American and Canadian artists (top notch people like Art Spiegelman, Joe Kubert, Chester Brown etc) had been invited to the festival, and a lot of lesser talents came along, though they paid their trip themselves. As Gallacci described in an issue of Albedo, they expected to make a killing off their comics. But it didn't happen. They didn't take into consideration that their badly drawn, in-jokey, black & white pamphlets looked pathetic to the French, who are used to comics being slick, big format, full colour, hard cover books. So they didn't sell squat.

Anyway, Gallacci took the episode for what it was - their comics weren't good enough to compete in the market, simple as that, while Groat was deeply insulted that those dastardly French didn't acknowledge the majesty and genius that is Red Shetland. IIRC, he also got into trouble with the French customs at the Charles de Gaulle airport, though I can't recall the details of that. It was probably his cap that did it.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:15:25 PM     Post subject:  

What the dickens is "Red Shetland" anyhoo?
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:17:10 PM     Post subject:  

Groat just likes Nazi parephenalia because he hates the French, and once went to said nation with a Wermarcht cap, embuing the same spirit as a teenager who goes to an local GOP headquarters wearing a hammer and sickle.

I don't know why Groat likes the Wehrmacht caps, but I think he was just blissfully ignorant that it's not a good idea to wear German WWII regalia while visiting any country that was attacked and occupied by the Nazis.

I recall Groat saying in a post somewhere that the cap in question was a postwar German army cap from the 50s.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 4:39:30 PM     Post subject:  

What the dickens is "Red Shetland" anyhoo?


That is what I also like to know.

The art quality and content of european comics has a very wide spectrum from very bad to excellent. But if something sells here does not depend on quality but on the content and the target audience. Their stuff did not sell because it was done for another audience. Europe is one of the most independant, unpredictable and uncertain market for these things.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 6:12:05 PM     Post subject:  

The French are extremists about their comics. They hate what are United States and American comics. These little paper things of 32 pages of badly coloured work. I've got a few examples of standard French comics and they are what Marvel sells at Marvel Masterworks. Large graphic novels, beautifully painted works. The reason Art Spiegelman was invited (it's pretty legendary because of all the shit that hit the fan over there with the uninvited idiots) was because of his work. Several other legends of United States comics were invited over, fully paid for their time. The French loved their work. The uninvited were seen basically as trash and it's understandable, at least to me.

I think it was Skunked that had a short by one of the artists that had to put up with Groat during this. I use the term artist very loosy when it comes to Colin Upton. He's a self-publisher of mini-comics that used to and probably still does live off the Canadian version of public assistance. Anyway, I think Bobby or someone has a scanned copy of the book.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 6:44:14 PM     Post subject:  

I recall Groat saying in a post somewhere that the cap in question was a postwar German army cap from the 50s.


And I recall numerous sources saying in many different forms of communicative media that Groat is a compulsive liar.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:13:30 PM     Post subject:  

Any image of the hat in question ?

If it is the hat he wears on the "furry fan card" then its not german or military.
Looks like something Fidel Castro would wear.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:39:04 PM     Post subject:  

Any image of the hat in question ?

If it is the hat he wears on the "furry fan card" then its not german or military.
Looks like something Fidel Castro would wear.

It was the modern version of this WWII German cap:



The Germans still use the exact same design of cap, though without the eagle emblem.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 7:39:07 PM     Post subject:  

But the little pic he's got on his page is obviously wearing German WWII uniform.

And that's GOTTA be a PaK40 in the pic in the merch section.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 9:22:58 PM     Post subject:  

What the dickens is "Red Shetland" anyhoo?

As far as I can tell it's a comic about a female barbarian red shetland who wears a chainmail bra and has a sword and I can only assume she goes about saving the day in a Xena-like fashion but I can't be for certain since I've never actually read an issue. She does make plenty of appearances in the WCotP comic, though.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 9:43:36 PM     Post subject:  

I recall Groat saying in a post somewhere that the cap in question was a postwar German army cap from the 50s.


And I recall numerous sources saying in many different forms of communicative media that Groat is a compulsive liar.



European customs CAN cause you trouble. Though the borders between the countries *inside* the european union were opened the borders *into* the EU are still there. *dramatic exaggeration* The stereotypes of which european countries hate each other are all true. He could have made it worse, had he spoken british english at customs.
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Posted: 8/23/2005 11:16:34 PM     Post subject:  

The art quality and content of european comics has a very wide spectrum from very bad to excellent. But if something sells here does not depend on quality but on the content and the target audience. Their stuff did not sell because it was done for another audience. Europe is one of the most independant, unpredictable and uncertain market for these things.

For the record, Europe is not one comics market - it's several, divided along languages. National traditions and sales figures vary a lot. Germany, the biggest EU country, has a very small comics market, while the Scandinavian countries have pretty nice ones considering their small populations. The world's second-largest comics market is the French, which comprises France and the French-speaking parts of Belgium and Switzerland. Sales figures are much higher than in the US, despite the smaller population. So I can see why Groat & co. thought they might hit it big. Although it's like seeing that Japan is the world's biggest comics market and thinking you can go to a festival there and make it big. Might happen, but not too likely.

Anyway, it's not like Albedo and Red Shetland are selling in spades in the US, either.

Groat just likes Nazi parephenalia because he hates the French, and once went to said nation with a Wermarcht cap, embuing the same spirit as a teenager who goes to an local GOP headquarters wearing a hammer and sickle.

I don't know why Groat likes the Wehrmacht caps, but I think he was just blissfully ignorant that it's not a good idea to wear German WWII regalia while visiting any country that was attacked and occupied by the Nazis.

I recall Groat saying in a post somewhere that the cap in question was a postwar German army cap from the 50s.

Oh. I don't want to bash anyone for the wrong reasons, so Nazi hat accusation duly retracted on my part.

I think it was Skunked that had a short by one of the artists that had to put up with Groat during this. I use the term artist very loosy when it comes to Colin Upton. He's a self-publisher of mini-comics that used to and probably still does live off the Canadian version of public assistance. Anyway, I think Bobby or someone has a scanned copy of the book.

Yeah, "The Fur Flies to France", a short piece by Colin Upton, from "Skunked". We had a thread about it where someone put up a few select panels, but unfortunately that was one of the threads that were lost when CYD's host lost two weeks' worth of server data.

Anyway... I was in Angouleme in 1992. While I was mainly there for the solo exhibitions by Robert Crumb and Marcel Gotlib, I did speak with, among others, Gallacci and Upton. So... I'm thinking about writing a piece on this whole debacle... If anyone would care to read such a thing, that is? Maybe it's too old and irrelevant an episode?
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Posted: 8/24/2005 1:10:22 AM     Post subject:  

The French are extremists about their comics. They hate what are United States and American comics. These little paper things of 32 pages of badly coloured work. I've got a few examples of standard French comics and they are what Marvel sells at Marvel Masterworks. Large graphic novels, beautifully painted works. The reason Art Spiegelman was invited (it's pretty legendary because of all the shit that hit the fan over there with the uninvited idiots) was because of his work. Several other legends of United States comics were invited over, fully paid for their time. The French loved their work. The uninvited were seen basically as trash and it's understandable, at least to me.


Yeah its definatly understandable. When I look at a lot of the (particularly Marvel) titles I collected as a kid, the poor quality is what I see now. The paper was terrible, like newspaper, and the printing was total shit. Frequently, the color layer was shifted noticibly off of the linework. (I dont know the techincal terms for that part of the industry, the printing)

I havent bought major titles or anything since then either (~91-93) , and a lot of the independant stuff I buy seems to take a bit more pride in thier work. Hell, Id say one thing furry comics appear to have up on others is heavier weight papers. Not the best, but not the toilet paper my Punisher comics were all printed on. Seems sometimes success is the worst thing that can happen to a company. I would say the quality of the late 80's early 90's comics I was buying as a kid was insulting. That, and like every other page was ads. What the fuck am I paying for ?

Ill pretty much only buy GNs and TPBS from now on. I don't see much point in periodicals being produced in "weird" size format. Comics really arn't purchased at normal venues anymore - where as a GN or TPB with a ISBN# can be a bookstore more readily. I think it could increase the popularity of the comic medium as a whole.

I say this because I want read good stories. Beginning, Middle, End. A story that goes on indefinatly and whose publisher has to write in "continuities" tieing all thier other publications into one "universe" doesn't qualify as good with me .. in fact it seems dumb as hell. I can understand liking a serial, but the idea of reading 800 issues of superman doesnt appeal to me.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 5:24:01 AM     Post subject:  

Any image of the hat in question ?

If it is the hat he wears on the "furry fan card" then its not german or military.
Looks like something Fidel Castro would wear.

It was the modern version of this WWII German cap:



The Germans still use the exact same design of cap, though without the eagle emblem.

I assume, with "still", you do mean untill today ?

That would not be correct then. I served in the German Army in the 90s and I never seen such a hat in any rank of Heer, Marine or Luftwaffe. The standard hats in post WWII times are the "Schiffchen", a very plain field cap, and later the Barrett. The uniforms stayed unchanged from 50s to 90s.
In the 90s I was one of the first to wear the new fancy camouflage while in other units they still wore the old olive green ones. So I know the old and new uniforms. The field cap was still issued to every soldier in camouflage as emergency replacement of the barrett.
I only used helmet or barrett during my time in service.
The old standard field cap looks like this:


What he had is probably a replica sold to those oddballs that like to reenact WW2 battles for some reason.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 5:38:41 AM     Post subject:  

I have nothing to add to this conversation except...

Frequently, the color layer was shifted noticibly off of the linework. (I dont know the techincal terms for that part of the industry, the printing)


http://www.futurepoint.orr.net/trapwhy2.htm

When the presses don't line up the ink perfectly, the presses are in misregister. If they weren't careful about the paper stretching, or getting the plates registered right, that's when the white lines and such show.

Trapping is the art of keeping that from happening.

Woohoo! A threadjack due to printing industry jargon! Thank you, Aldus Magazine!
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Posted: 8/24/2005 6:28:11 PM     Post subject:  

What he had is probably a replica sold to those oddballs that like to reenact WW2 battles for some reason.

Looking through WikiFur reminded me of the old fun-poking "Skunk" comic, which had a strip lampooning Groat, and I re-read it and sure enough, it was a replica WW2 cap!

Edit: here's a few frames from "Skunk"
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Posted: 8/24/2005 6:55:57 PM     Post subject:  

As far as I can tell it's a comic about a female barbarian red shetland who wears a chainmail bra and has a sword and I can only assume she goes about saving the day in a Xena-like fashion but I can't be for certain since I've never actually read an issue. She does make plenty of appearances in the WCotP comic, though.


Yes, she had her own short-lived comic back in the 80s (example http://www.rexx.com/~jaguar/red.html) and is one of his biggest characters, which isn't saying a whole lot.

My biggest problem with Groat at the moment is the guy just sits around and whines about having no money and no life and nobody loves him, boo hoo. His marriage sucks, his wife is a bitch, yadda yadda. He doesn't take too well to the suggestion that he get off his fat ass and GO GET A JOB either. All you ever hear from him is "Give me commissions! Give me commissions! I can't pay my bills!"

But he went to Disneyland for a week for the 50th anniversary. Sure Jim, you have no money. Maybe you're just immature and stupid.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 9:21:55 PM     Post subject:  

My biggest problem with Groat at the moment is the guy just sits around and whines about having no money and no life and nobody loves him, boo hoo. His marriage sucks, his wife is a bitch, yadda yadda. He doesn't take too well to the suggestion that he get off his fat ass and GO GET A JOB either. All you ever hear from him is "Give me commissions! Give me commissions! I can't pay my bills!"

But he went to Disneyland for a week for the 50th anniversary. Sure Jim, you have no money. Maybe you're just immature and stupid.


Yep, that sounds like Jim alright.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 9:59:53 PM     Post subject:  


European customs CAN cause you trouble. Though the borders between the countries *inside* the european union were opened the borders *into* the EU are still there. *dramatic exaggeration* The stereotypes of which european countries hate each other are all true. He could have made it worse, had he spoken british english at customs.


This was well before the EU ever came about. My understanding is Groat got himself in trouble with customs officals and the airline for having too much crap with him.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 10:19:46 PM     Post subject:  

http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/gallery/index.php?g=1&image_id=1120236172

Well, he's sure sane looking...

Again with the military uniforms! AND THE CAP HAS A PAW ON IT!

I pray to God there is not a military wing of the furry fandom. They could be like the Black Panthers: Following anime/SF-F con security around with guns to make sure no fursecution happens.
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Posted: 8/24/2005 10:21:56 PM     Post subject:  

I pray to God there is not a military wing of the furry fandom. They could be like the Black Panthers: Following anime/SF-F con security around with guns to make sure no fursecution happens.


Yeah, the "Hermaphroditic Dick-Nippled Panthertaurs with Wings"!
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Posted: 8/25/2005 1:55:38 AM     Post subject:  

Looking through WikiFur reminded me of the old fun-poking "Skunk" comic, which had a strip lampooning Groat, and I re-read it and sure enough, it was a replica WW2 cap!

Nazi hat accusation duly reintroduced!
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Posted: 8/25/2005 4:52:13 PM     Post subject:  

He doesn't take too well to the suggestion that he get off his fat ass and GO GET A JOB either. All you ever hear from him is "Give me commissions! Give me commissions! I can't pay my bills!"


Maybe more people would commission him if he could fucking draw something other than equines. Have a zebra/unicorn/whatever character? Great, it'll be done in a minute. Watching him struggle with a non-equine drawing, continually looking back to his little encyclopedia of animals, and taking FOREVER, is actually rather amusing.

Or heaven forbid he become a starving artist, learn some fiscal responsibilty and have less kids/guns/nazi crap.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:18:48 PM     Post subject:  

Yeah, a bit fond of the horses Groat is.
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:34:29 PM     Post subject:  

Maybe more people would commission him if he could fucking draw something other than equines. Have a zebra/unicorn/whatever character? Great, it'll be done in a minute. Watching him struggle with a non-equine drawing, continually looking back to his little encyclopedia of animals, and taking FOREVER, is actually rather amusing.


I'd be happy if he could just DRAW. There are other, mostly non-furry artists who go for the same cartoony style, the difference is that they not only do it a heck of a lot better than he does, they're actually FUNNY! He draws obscure crap nobody understands and he does it piss-poorly.

What's even sadder are all the pathetic furs who sit around and hump his leg so that maybe he'll put them in his ridiculous comic.
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