Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

So I've been thinking of doing another article for the site, this one concerning the many overrated artists that the furry fandom worships. Since I try to distance myself from the fandom, I was wondering if any of my fellow CYDers know of any artists that are awful/mediocre/stupid/bitchy/insane and yet are getting serviced by the fans daily? So far I've got:

Jeremy Bernal

James M. Hardiman

And, uh, that's it. Granted, it's not much of a list, but I'm sure a few of you will contribute. Maybe.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 113

Jessica Elwood is the latest superstar of the furry porn world. "She" popped up out of nowhere just a few months back on JAB with some decent art skills, and fans were made instantly.

I think "she" is overrated.

http://www.jabarchives.com/tjabbs/viewtopic.php?t=515&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jessica+elwood&start=0

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

You have a huge number of people who all draw the same basic anime/sonic hybrid furries, which take no talent whatsoever (see Yiffer on VCL). I think Elwood borders on that.

I think Tauren Fox is damn overrated personally.

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 113

Eric Schwartz. He is good at that one toony style that he does... but thats all hes got going for him.

MagnusSkin · Prattler Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 114

Eric Schwartz. He is good at that one toony style that he does... but thats all hes got going for him.

Too bad he squanders it in his sweaty, furry, zig zag obsession.

Philip Savage · Prattler Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 140

So I've been thinking of doing another article for the site, this one concerning the many overrated artists that the furry fandom worships.

About bloody time. It's a good topic idea though. 'Fraid I don't have any ideas. If I wanted to get some I's have to do research and be somewhere other than the forums and all that stuff. What a hassle.

Eric Schwartz. He is good at that one toony style that he does... but thats all hes got going for him.

Ah, yes. Both famous and infamous.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

Someone already said Eric Schwartz, so I'll say Jim Groat.

Philip Savage · Prattler Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 140

She who must not be named created great art...TERRIBLE! Yes...but great.

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

First one that comes to mind is the girl who did the Reanimator flash (Zarla, I think). fchan is absolutely obsessed with her in the creepiest way possible.

San Renard, whose throngs of fans made it impossible to criticize his AOL speak and ten thousand chibi style VG Cats or Pokemon gangbang pictures that he flooded every image board in existence with. Thankfully, he got tired of his rabid fanbase and is now much more reserved.

Michele Light. Her "number of poses the artist is capable of drawing" to "amount of money the artist makes on conbadges alone" ratio is the most skewed I've seen. Jessica Willard is a lesser offender.

Finally, the obvious: Dr. Comet and Karabiner. Goldenwolfen, who is good but not ten grand good. EWS, Jim Groat, and Wookiee, who have all been done to death here.

Really, as un-CYD-ish as it is, it's a lot easier to think of underrated artists. Most of the popular artists in the fandom don't really deserve all the popularity they have.

IceCat · Venter Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 251

Let's see...

Terrie Smith: always draws the same interechangable pin-up art.
Same stock poses, same stock furries. And all of her male characters are "pretty boy" Ghey, also does really bad herm porn as well.

Steve Martin: "Hey Guy Wanna See A Nakkid Bunny!".. All of his furry characters look like they have been dipped in latex...

Can't think of any others right now...

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Someone already said Eric Schwartz, so I'll say Jim Groat.

That's not so much a case of failure to deviate from one style as much as failure to deviate from one species. Plunk a request for anything non-equine and it will take him ages...

Michele Light. Her "number of poses the artist is capable of drawing" to "amount of money the artist makes on conbadges alone" ratio is the most skewed I've seen. Jessica Willard is a lesser offender.

At least Willard is finally drawing her characters with heads facing at angles now, for the longest time all of them had a weird Paper Mario feel to them with bodies at angles and heads either perfectly perpentdicular or parallel to the viewer.

Goldenwolfen, who is good but not ten grand good. EWS, Jim Groat, and Wookiee, who have all been done to death here.

Out of Luterman, Dark Natasha and other other 'realism' artists, the old fat girl Goldenwolf has to be the least creative. Wow... another native american wolf... Didn't see that one coming! At least the others have interesting expressions and a flair of humor.

I think it goes back to the fact that she (according to the gossipy furfags I talk with) doesn't really want to draw anthro art as much as 'were' art. Big irony when you consider who buys it, and that every 14 year old on Furcadia uses her images in their character descriptions. I guess she'd be better off hanging out with Ebonlupus assuming he has a few grand to spend on her art.

it's a lot easier to think of underrated artists. Most of the popular artists in the fandom don't really deserve all the popularity they have.

That can be said very truthfully of modern art in general though.

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 892

What rates the artist? The fans cheering on their journals... the amount of material they churn out?
The decades spent on the fandom? The female-ness of the newcomer? =)
The prices paid on furbid?

Is Collins on the fan charts? =) --And why dontcha droo more fun pics to CYD gallery, Jer! =)

I don't seemta be rated in any way... over or under...

Ah jus' do my own litle thing at my own rate... quietly...=)

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

YES
MICHELLE LIGHT AND ALL OF HER CREEPY BABYFUR BADGES Oyyyyy.
Fatalis/Manawolf...creepy childlike eyes and sex do not go well together.
MAX BLACKRABBIT. I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I just plain don't care for his art.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

YES
MICHELLE LIGHT AND ALL OF HER CREEPY BABYFUR BADGES Oyyyyy.

Michelle Light doesn't draw many babyfur badges last time I checked. You must be thinking of Marci McAdam.

Ray Prower · Prattler Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 171

artists that the furry fandom worships

Jeremy Bernal

hahahahahahhaHahahahahahaha

Are you serious? Every mention I hear of him is couple with OMG FAG SUCKS SUCKS DNP SUCKS LAWSUIT SASHA FUCK

I don't doubt that people like his art, but I've yet to find anybody who would actually "worship" Bernal.

As stated above, Dr.Comet is about the only one I can name. The /b/tards have this obsession with his art and it worries me.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

YES
MICHELLE LIGHT AND ALL OF HER CREEPY BABYFUR BADGES Oyyyyy.

Michelle Light doesn't draw many babyfur badges last time I checked. You must be thinking of Marci McAdam.

Oh.
Haha.
Oops.
But Michelle Light DOES do babyfur badges, right? I know I've seen some...

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

http://rimfrost.deviantart.com

she has nothing to do with furs, but she is definately the most overrated idiot I can think of...

plus, shes norwegian :o

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

I'd say a few but I don't want anyone knowing how bitter I am over their popularity and my lack of it XD

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 575

Surprised no one's said Winger yet. His art's ok, his color is awesome, but what the fuck. Yeah, old news but still. I think he's over-rated.

Better to do an article on furries that deny to the death being furry. :)

Smatterchew · Qualificator Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 24

There's this one particular artist, who has reasonable talent... I'll grant him that, but draws reams and reams of similar characters striking nearly identical poses that rarely ever show feet etc. If I'm to believe what I see online, his fans are legion. WTF?

Oh waits... there are naked bewbs. That splains it!

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

YES
MICHELLE LIGHT AND ALL OF HER CREEPY BABYFUR BADGES Oyyyyy.

Michelle Light doesn't draw many babyfur badges last time I checked. You must be thinking of Marci McAdam.

Oh.
Haha.
Oops.
But Michelle Light DOES do babyfur badges, right? I know I've seen some...

Well, Marci McAdam's and Michelle Light's art styles are very similar (as is Terrie Smith's) but I can't recall any babyfur badges done by her. Closest thing babyfur-related I can think of that Light has done is this pic.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Meh, which fandom-popular furry artist isn't overrated? It's not like Schwartz or Bernal or Hardiman or whoever are really good when compared with the numerous top notch illustrators you can find outside furry fandom.

I was wondering if any of my fellow CYDers know of any artists that are awful/mediocre/stupid/bitchy/insane and yet are getting serviced by the fans daily?

I'm confused as to the term "fan service". I always thought it meant an artist delivering what his fans demanded, i.e. Winger makes a big-boobed, big-dicked herm as a joke, fans say "HOT! Give us more!" - and he does. Again and again and again.

How does a fan service an artist - other than paying money and saying "you rock"? (Yeah, I know this question is wide open for joke replies, go right ahead)

YES
MICHELLE LIGHT AND ALL OF HER CREEPY BABYFUR BADGES Oyyyyy.

Michelle Light doesn't draw many babyfur badges last time I checked. You must be thinking of Marci McAdam.

Oh.
Haha.
Oops.
But Michelle Light DOES do babyfur badges, right? I know I've seen some...

Well, Marci McAdam's and Michelle Light's art styles are very similar (as is Terrie Smith's) but I can't recall any babyfur badges done by her. Closest thing babyfur-related I can think of that Light has done is this pic.

I'm pretty sure Stoneth is right - Light doesn't make "objectionable" material; all the characters she draws just happen to have a sort of young-and-innocent look. Which, btw, is why she's severely overrated - everything of hers looks alike...

http://rimfrost.deviantart.com

she has nothing to do with furs, but she is definately the most overrated idiot I can think of...

Doesn't count. Keep it furry.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

I don't know about anyone else, but the rotation of four poses that Dark Natasha has been using for five years now.

http://www.darknatasha.com/darknatasha/webpages/furry/anthro2_.html

I can't remember any picture that she's done where the subjects aren't trying to look sexy, aren't in the direct center of the painting, or interacting with some other character in a way that doesn't have anything to do with sex.

Oh, and Michelle Light. Of course.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 670

So I've been thinking of doing another article for the site, this one concerning the many overrated artists that the furry fandom worships. Since I try to distance myself from the fandom, I was wondering if any of my fellow CYDers know of any artists that are awful/mediocre/stupid/bitchy/insane and yet are getting serviced by the fans daily?

Dave Hopkins

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

http://rimfrost.deviantart.com

she has nothing to do with furs, but she is definately the most overrated idiot I can think of...

Doesn't count. Keep it furry.

I'll make sure that I do as long as you promise to never ever use that phrase again :D

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

There's this one particular artist, who has reasonable talent... I'll grant him that, but draws reams and reams of similar characters striking nearly identical poses that rarely ever show feet etc. If I'm to believe what I see online, his fans are legion. WTF?

Oh waits... there are naked bewbs. That splains it!

Got a name?

Abysmal Pea · Qualificator Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 23

So I've been thinking of doing another article for the site, this one concerning the many overrated artists that the furry fandom worships. Since I try to distance myself from the fandom, I was wondering if any of my fellow CYDers know of any artists that are awful/mediocre/stupid/bitchy/insane and yet are getting serviced by the fans daily?

Dave Hopkins

I'm guessing it would be suicide if I mentioned that I like his art.

So I'll just save that for a day when I'm depressed. :o

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

I'm pretty sure Stoneth is right - Light doesn't make "objectionable" material; all the characters she draws just happen to have a sort of young-and-innocent look. Which, btw, is why she's severely overrated - everything of hers looks alike...

To be fair to Light, she has done pencil work for "Shanda the Panda" which actually has interesting characters, actual emotion and movement, but for whatever reason she seems content to make nothing else but pinup furries with the same expression and motionless pose over and over again. You'd think that an artist's personal art would be more expressive then his/her commissioned work. I guess not.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

I'm pretty sure Stoneth is right - Light doesn't make "objectionable" material; all the characters she draws just happen to have a sort of young-and-innocent look. Which, btw, is why she's severely overrated - everything of hers looks alike...

To be fair to Light, she has done pencil work for "Shanda the Panda" which actually has interesting characters, actual emotion and movement, but for whatever reason she seems content to make nothing else but pinup furries with the same expression and motionless pose over and over again. You'd think that an artist's personal art would be more expressive then his/her commissioned work. I guess not.

Must.... resist... urge to make... sad panda joke.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Surprised no one's said Winger yet. His art's ok, his color is awesome, but what the fuck. Yeah, old news but still. I think he's over-rated.

Better to do an article on furries that deny to the death being furry. :)

iawtc many many times
ALSO:
That dude who does the furries with HUGE schnozes. His name escapes me but rest assured, I WILL FIND HIM.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

By our forum rules I'm now required to take a cheap shot at Micah.

Don't most furries have a knee-jerk 'ewwww, Winger's gross' reaction? Kelly Price is waaaay more appropriate - a Winger-sized fandom but several magnitudes less talent.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Stan Sakai.

You worship him, and I don't know why.

ChildEatingMonster · Prattler Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 107

you have to read the comics

edit: and to quote Paul, Keep it furry. :P

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

I read comics. I even own few selected issues of Usagi, cause I'm a ninja fag.

I still think he's fucking overrated. Not in Rob Liefeld sense, he's just not that good.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

So I've been thinking of doing another article for the site, this one concerning the many overrated artists that the furry fandom worships. Since I try to distance myself from the fandom, I was wondering if any of my fellow CYDers know of any artists that are awful/mediocre/stupid/bitchy/insane and yet are getting serviced by the fans daily?

Dave Hopkins
I'm guessing it would be suicide if I mentioned that I like his art.

So I'll just save that for a day when I'm depressed. :o

yeah, I agree Dave Hopkins is overrated in his art, but I do enjoy his comic none the less.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Kelly Price is waaaay more appropriate - a Winger-sized fandom but several magnitudes less talent.

Kelly Price has fans? :shock:

Isn't he appreciated because he runs Keenspace, sorry, ComicGenesis? No one could possibly like Stalag 99...

I still think he's fucking overrated. Not in Rob Liefeld sense, he's just not that good.

Rob Liefeld sucks donkey cock. The man can't draw proper proportions, compositions or frame layouts. Which Sakai can.

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

He's appreciated by a few people for his artwork. No, really. I'd wager he has as many furries in his fandom as Winger does (mind you, Winger's fanbase isn't relatively large to begin with), as he does draw commissions and has a viral species (second to chakats and a bit ahead of skiltaire). Just dig through his commission folder, every picture in there is for a 'OMG you're the best person evar!' mouthbreathing self-deprecating invertebrate. Also plenty of self-promotion on fchan and the like, which few other artists stoop so low to do.

Yes, people actually like Stalag 99. Or they say they do for free pixs. No accounting for taste in either direction.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Yes, people actually like Stalag 99. Or they say they do for free pixs. No accounting for taste in either direction.

I just keep forgetting how flat-out twisted some furries' tastes are...

Philip Savage · Prattler Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 140

I just keep forgetting how flat-out twisted some furries' tastes are...

I don't. *shudder*

Smatterchew · Qualificator Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 24

There's this one particular artist, who has reasonable talent... I'll grant him that, but draws reams and reams of similar characters striking nearly identical poses that rarely ever show feet etc. If I'm to believe what I see online, his fans are legion. WTF?

Oh waits... there are naked bewbs. That splains it!

Got a name?

You mean there's more than one? Whoda thunkit!

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Here's a list I've compiled so far. This list may change since it's so fucking long.

Taurin Fox
Drake Tigerclaw
Babs Bunny
Tojyo
Greg Panovich
Jessika Willard
Guppy
Jessica Elwood
Invader Pichu
FoxxFire
Kalvin Taylor
Jay Naylor
Jeremy Mullins
Karabiner
Steve Martin
Dave Hopkins
Eric W. Schwartz
Jim Groat
Jeremy Bernal
Gideon Hoss
Daniel Renard
James Donaldson
Goldenwolf
Ecco
James M. Hardiman
Kelly Price
Sara Palmer
Ken Sample
Fossil
Dr. Comet
Heather Bruton
Michele Light
Doug Winger
Jess K
Fred Perry
Ferris
Dark Natasha
Jessie T. Wolf
Fatalis
Terrie Smith
Megan Giles
Desiree Lee
Terry Knight
Max Black Rabbit
Adam Wan
Manawolf
Steve Corbett
Taral Wayne
Helen Galvin
Wookiee
Seraph
Brian MacPherson
Marci McAdams

Jesus Christ.

There was one artist I wanted to put on here, but I forgot her (I think it's a her) name. All I know is that she uses a Ringtail mascot. Anyone know her?

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Here's a list I've compiled so far. This list may change since it's so fucking long.

Taurin Fox
Drake Tigerclaw
Babs Bunny
Tojyo
Greg Panovich
Jessika Willard
Guppy
Jessica Elwood
Invader Pichu
FoxxFire
Kalvin Taylor
Jay Naylor
Jeremy Mullins
Karabiner
Steve Martin
Dave Hopkins
Eric W. Schwartz
Jim Groat
Jeremy Bernal
Gideon Hoss
Daniel Renard
James Donaldson
Goldenwolf
Ecco
James M. Hardiman
Kelly Price
Sara Palmer
Ken Sample
Fossil
Dr. Comet
Heather Bruton
Michele Light
Doug Winger
Jess K
Fred Perry
Ferris
Dark Natasha
Jessie T. Wolf
Fatalis
Terrie Smith
Megan Giles
Desiree Lee
Terry Knight
Max Black Rabbit
Adam Wan
Manawolf
Steve Corbett
Taral Wayne
Helen Galvin
Wookiee
Seraph
Brian MacPherson
Marci McAdams

Jesus Christ.

There was one artist I wanted to put on here, but I forgot her (I think it's a her) name. All I know is that she uses a Ringtail mascot. Anyone know her?

Oh god, Pink! How can I forget?

CrazyBomber · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 141

Maybe Stoneth can provide us a list of latin american most overrated artists.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

Maybe Stoneth can provide us a list of latin american most overrated artists.

CrazyBomber, I think you're far more qualified to do that. I'm about as active in the Latin American furry scene as a Jehovah's Witness is active in the US Army.

Only one I can think of would be Zorro Re. I'd say Rokefox as well, but he's more lolworthy than overrated. :lol:

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

Well, I seem to recall Zeraia (sp?) using a ringtail or something like it for her mascot, and she's incredibly overrated.

Also, what about Flinthoof? Doesn't he have a crappy furry comic too?

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

So... are there at all any furry artists who are underrated? :wink:

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 547

So... are there at all any furry artists who are underrated? :wink:

Perhaps, but then again, since they're so underrated they're impossible to find among all the ego-stroking stuff.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Oh, I'd like to add Kacey Maltzman, all of her characters look more like they have Downs Syndrome rather than being cute.

Gideon Hoss

To be fair, this guy CAN draw other stuff, I've seen it. He simply doesn't probably because the big titted herms are what he gets congrats over. Who knows, in 5 more years maybe he'll be the next Smorky.

Jess K

THANK YOU

Adam Wan

Overrated? Likely, but surely better than most of the other furry stuff out there.

Wookiee

*cugh* Traces porn mags *cough*

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

New additions:

Shawntae Howard
Style Wagner
Flinthoof
Zorro Re
Joe Randel
Kacey Maltzman

I've been thinking about changing the topic to most overrated people of the furry fandom, and perhaps doing the article in installments.

I've also discovered the artist with the Ringtail mascot was Terrie Smith.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

So... are there at all any furry artists who are underrated? :wink:

Me? ;)

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

Ooo! Ooo! Anyone mention Richard Katellis and Albert Temple yet?

Zod God · Prattler Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 113

Sooo uhh, what exactly defines an overrated artist? I mean it seems we're listing anyone who has ever drawn a naughty picture. Is this the new puritan movement or something? Cuz if it is, I want one of those pilgrim hats.

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

Ooo! Ooo! Anyone mention Richard Katellis and Albert Temple yet?

I second this nomination. Throw in their 'significant others', too - Catswhisker and Shirlee Mouse.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 670

Sooo uhh, what exactly defines an overrated artist? I mean it seems we're listing anyone who has ever drawn a naughty picture. Is this the new puritan movement or something? Cuz if it is, I want one of those pilgrim hats.

An overrated artist is one who is average or even below average, but still has an army of sycophantic fans blind to their faults. Same goes for webcomics. Don't get me started on those :(

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

New additions:

Shawntae Howard
Style Wagner
Flinthoof
Zorro Re
Joe Randel
Kacey Maltzman

I've been thinking about changing the topic to most overrated people of the furry fandom, and perhaps doing the article in installments.

I've also discovered the artist with the Ringtail mascot was Terrie Smith.

YAY, I Finally made the list, but wait. Exactly what do I do that would gain me the title of 'overrated' Anyway? What's the criteria. I don't even consider what I do to be furry art, (since I don't exactly only draw critters that have fur on them). I very rarely do adult art and I'm not exactly one known for tooting my own horn about my artwork either (Unless compairing myself to Collins, at which, there is no comparison).

I'd say my work has, if nothing, changed and improved as time goes by with a constant dedication towards improvement.

So, what get's me overrated and Donotsue and Estrugo not (both of which who produce far more work in the past couple of years than I have).

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 892

Maybe we don' t have an army of psychopatic fans? =) Nor faults...

I am perfect in every way! =)

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Ooo! Ooo! Anyone mention Richard Katellis and Albert Temple yet?

I second this nomination. Throw in their 'significant others', too - Catswhisker and Shirlee Mouse.

Thirded 8D

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

New additions:

Albert Temple
CatsWhisker
Shirlee Mouse
Richard Katellis

And just to show I don't discriminate:

Donotsue
Micah Fennec
M. Estrugo

Fine print: The above three artists, "Micah Fennec", "Donotsue", and "M. Estrugo" will be subject to friendly barbs not meant to reflect the wrtier's actual opinion. Most others will be the brunt of the writer's hatred, which they deserve because I say so.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

New additions:

Albert Temple
CatsWhisker
Shirlee Mouse

Shirlee Mouse has slavering fans? Seriously?

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/shirlee-mouse/scw_stilldrawin.gif (The only SFW image in the gallery)

All of her stuff is an unholy combination of cute Lego men and hardcore porn. Which, thinking about it, would create slavering fans in furry, wouldn't it?

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 547

New additions:

Albert Temple
CatsWhisker
Shirlee Mouse
Richard Katellis

And just to show I don't discriminate:

Donotsue
Micah Fennec
M. Estrugo

Fine print: The above three artists, "Micah Fennec", "Donotsue", and "M. Estrugo" will be subject to friendly barbs not meant to reflect the wrtier's actual opinion. Most others will be the brunt of the writer's hatred, which they deserve because I say so.

Awwwwwww.

Heroiini · Prattler Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 143

I would go with the multiple articles. It's hard too keep it funny and intresting with just a few quick barbs per artist on an article. It will be a reson to visit the main page if it's being updated regulary. If you feel up to it, go for it.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Maybe we don' t have an army of psychopatic fans? =) Nor faults...

I am perfect in every way! =)

LOL, but these guys are your fans. Though you're right, you are perfect and I admire you. :)

Bag Full o' Money · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Donotsue wrote:

I am perfect in every way! =)

Barry Scott · Prattler Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 165

huh? I wonder where my post went. No matter, anyone said Richard Katellis or Albert Temple yet?

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Donotsue wrote:

I am perfect in every way! =)

DONNY POPPINS fghjkhg

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Is this the new puritan movement or something? Cuz if it is, I want one of those pilgrim hats.

You want a black buckled one or a grey buckled one?

Squizzle · Prattler Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 127

Well, I seem to recall Zeraia (sp?) using a ringtail or something like it for her mascot, and she's incredibly overrated.

Mayhaps you're thinking of Zeriara, AKA Lemur Monster, the Xbox Lemur? Her avatar is a ring-tailed lemur. The only well-known ringtail (different species, dig it?) character I can think of at this very second is Terrie Smith's Chester.

custer · Lurker Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 1

Here's a list I've compiled so far. This list may change since it's so fucking long.

Jesus Christ.

There was one artist I wanted to put on here, but I forgot her (I think it's a her) name. All I know is that she uses a Ringtail mascot. Anyone know her?

Oh god, Pink! How can I forget?

Jesus Christ is a furry artist?

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 731

I quite like his porn. Very well done.

Troggler · Venter Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 246

JESUS CHRIST
He died for your sins...

Now you can buy his furry artwork CD!!! Only 19.99! Filled with quality sketches and colors! You can tell it's quality work because it has titties and angst! Also comes with "Hip, edgy" attitude with dark colors, poses from the matrix, man-whores, and dark colored matrix-posed man-whores!

BUT WAIT!

That's not all! Order now and get your ENTIRE CHILDHOOD IN PORNOGRAPHIC FORMAT!

That's right! Instead of discovering the horror of your childhood being pornogrophied one cartoon at a time, see every eighties cartoon personality doing the carpet mambo with every nineties cartoon personality all at once! Hey, it's not underage porn because they're just animal cartoon characters, right?! RIGHT!

SO ORDER NOW, HEATHENS!

Warning: "Jesus Christ's furry porn" comes with eternal damnation. "Eternal Damnation" clause may not be revoked or denied under any circumstances. Warranty void if product is opened, used, fapped to, or broken. People named "Sibe" are forbidden to purchase this or any other under penalty of SOAL RAEP. This purchase isn't illegal, but it should be.

P.S. Sorry if I actually offended anyone, but this one kind of started rolling on its own.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

JESUS:
AS SEEN ON WWOEC.COM

Trista · Prattler Joined: 30 May 2005 Posts: 156

How about calling the furry artists "notorious" rather than "overrated?" I'm not saying that they aren't overrated but it would save having to explain just what makes them overrated.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

How about calling the furry artists "notorious" rather than "overrated?" I'm not saying that they aren't overrated but it would save having to explain just what makes them overrated.

Then you'd have to explain what makes them notorious. :?:

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 892

Notorious... how bout Nefarious? =)

Ah think I'm just infamous...

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

When did we stop listing overrated artists and just start listing popular furry artists?

wait i think i see the connection

Abysmal Pea · Qualificator Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 23

Because there are no good furry artists out there, duh.

FURRIES RUIN EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH, REMEMBER?!!?

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Because there are no good furry artists out there, duh.

FURRIES RUIN EVERYTHING THEY TOUCH, REMEMBER?!!?

well to be fair there are some that can draw fairly well and use photoshop

the problem is there are no professionals that cater to furries so anyone that draws things that interest them (mostly porn) get worshipped because they are the only game in town

Coyote Seven · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 33

As stated above, Dr.Comet is about the only one I can name. The /b/tards have this obsession with his art and it worries me.

He can actually draw humans at least, and does so very often.

But his commission prices are higher than Michael Manning!

Oops, I think I might have said too much and outed myself... *dead*

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

As stated above, Dr.Comet is about the only one I can name. The /b/tards have this obsession with his art and it worries me.

He can actually draw humans at least, and does so very often.

But his commission prices are higher than Michael Manning!

Oops, I think I might have said too much and outed myself... *dead*

Does he have any characters of his own or does he just destroy childhood memories.

I'm not debating that he can draw

just......

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 488

He does have a few original characters, or at least pictures featuring something he came up with himself. Overwhelmingly, though, his favorite subject seems to be current and future childhood memory rape. The more obscure, the better, so as to achieve total coverage.

Coyote Seven · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 33

He does have a few original characters, or at least pictures featuring something he came up with himself. Overwhelmingly, though, his favorite subject seems to be current and future childhood memory rape. The more obscure, the better, so as to achieve total coverage.

It must be that I don't have very fond childhood memories. Or in my case I think I was just always fucked up.

Dr. Comet is Japanese though and draws Anime for videogames so I always figured that had something to do with it!

Or are you talking about Michael Manning now? :shock:

Monkey King · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 488

Oh, give Dr. Comet time. I'm sure he'll get around to the characters you loved and cherished soon enough. Much of his source material is Japanese, but he's all too happy to cross cultural borders.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

He does have a few original characters, or at least pictures featuring something he came up with himself. Overwhelmingly, though, his favorite subject seems to be current and future childhood memory rape. The more obscure, the better, so as to achieve total coverage.

Apparently even one of those pink cat things is a copyrighted character.
Bagi I think

there was some movie back in the early 80's

Of course I suppose pornification of Pink cat women is to be expected

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 670

Hahahahaha! Ebonyleopard doesn't give a damn about being labelled 'overrated' in passing. No, not at all :)

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

SWMyers · Qualificator Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 11

I think Comet does do a lot of work based around characters from comics by Osamu Tezuka (author of Astro Boy and like, a million other things).

I wouldn't call him overrated though. I mean, he delivers what he promises.

Oh, and about that Blackleapord guy. I really hate that superior attitude most furries take when they are criticized. His "I'm sort of happy to make the list" attitude would really only make me dislike him more as a pompous git.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

READ THIS PLZ K THX:

So then. Apparently my little list has generated some contempt from the people in the fandom. Here's the thing: I'm not saying all the people on the list are overrated. Some of them are known to only a small group of people. To be honest, I even like the artwork of some of these people.

Let me explain: I'm not going to wail on every single entity I've put on my list of hate or whatever you want to call it. Once you read the articles (when they're posted) you're going to know whether I legitimately think someone is overrated or if I'm just making shit up. I'm just poking fun at and flaming as many people as possible.

Having said that, please understand that I am not "jealous" of these people, as some of my detractors would say. So I can't draw a stick figure. So what? I'm not an artist and I'll never be one.

To be honest, I'm a little tired of everyone calling CYD a "hate site". If you would actually read the "About" section you would see that most of us just like making fun. And what do you call what you're doing when you're spewing venom at us? Loving?

TO EBONYLEOPARD:

I realize I have no control over what you do or how you go about doing it, but I would appreciate if you wait and see what I'm going to say about you before you run off to LiveJournal and start talking about us crazy bastards. I'm uh, glad that you're happy about being on the list and all but please resist to urge to slam me until I have given you cause to do so.

BOTTOM LINE:

Stop taking everything so seriously. Go out and laugh at yourself. Get laid or something. Throw yourself off a building. Recycle. Don't talk to me.

5thehardway · Prattler Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 161

Watching Ebonyleopard post about HOW LITTLE HE CARES only proves that he cares passionately.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

I find it funny that a handful of us can name a few names we personally find to be overrated artists, mostly stating our reasons and when someone compiles a list all hell breaks loose on the LJs of those who made the list.

I mean hell, Shawntae, you're even registered here. You got a beef with your name on the list, defend yourself here. That worked excellently (drama-free, all parties sated) when Biohazard did it.

I mean fuck, if all those people are so above us why do they gripe every time we take a step?

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

Donny! We need some 'overrated' pig caricatures stat!

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Watching Ebonyleopard post about HOW LITTLE HE CARES only proves that he cares passionately.

Taking the time to explain how much you don't care is the same as saying "I'm typing this through tears, I care so much. Also, I'm naked."

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

I really really hate this argument. To everyone who says "you aren't allowed to criticize furry art unless you can draw!" I want to reply "So, since you're not a Hollywood filmmaker, I assume you've never voiced your dislike of a movie then?"

Sorry, Mr. Ironbadger, but everyone who's ever been in or observed the fandom for six months has seen approximately thirty gazillion pieces of furry art. We can tell by now when the anatomy is off, when the lighting is overdone, or if it's just uninspired, even if we can't draw ourselves.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

The comments on Ebonyleopard's deviantart journal confirm the widespread furry inability to grasp what this site is about. They go on and on and on about how we hate. It's like saying laughing at a joke means you hate the joke.

There are some truly lolleriffic comments on CYD there:

That is pathetic in the level of racist forums and anti-infidel forums because they have nothing better to do then hate.

It's like pro life activists going around killing people.

The only left to do is to have the fandom flood the site and reconvert it as their own. Enough people would do that.

Of course, CYD is a laughable farce that took me some time to realize they were actually serious, but that makes the victory all the sweeter!

Victory? Evidently, someone won something and we lost. Maybe we were "flooded by the fandom"? Damn, I missed it!

Keep the comments coming, guys, we love them! I mean, we hate them! :D

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Hahahahaha! Ebonyleopard doesn't give a damn about being labelled 'overrated' in passing. No, not at all :)

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

Actually, I don't. Kinda think it's cool that some would bother to even think of my work in a way that would make them think it's overrated. I certainly don't, but then, I don't get that hung up with what people think of my art anyway. There are far more important things in the world and my life than the cartoon animals I draw.

Least I always stick to stuff I make up on my own. I can't remember the last time I drew a copywritten or trademarked character on my own (save for the Black History Month images I did on my DA and those were human characters) and I've certainly never done any that were of a sexual matter that I can personally remember.

So someone considers my work overrated. Shrug, what am I going to do about it, cry and say it's now. One thing I know for sure, once artwork is put out in the public, it's up to the public to make judgement on it good or bad, the artist has to live with criticism.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

I think Comet does do a lot of work based around characters from comics by Osamu Tezuka (author of Astro Boy and like, a million other things).

I wouldn't call him overrated though. I mean, he delivers what he promises.

Oh, and about that Blackleapord guy. I really hate that superior attitude most furries take when they are criticized. His "I'm sort of happy to make the list" attitude would really only make me dislike him more as a pompous git.

What would you have me do? Rant and rave about it? I'm sure that wouldn't win me any points. And well, that list has some pretty impressive artists on it, so why not think it's cool to be included . I mean, it's not like anybody here has actually really stated what makes someone overrated or not. Here, here's my work, comment about it as you see fit. Fair is fair, if something looks good, let me know. If something doesn't let me know but let me know why and what could be done to improve. Criticism is pretty pointless and of no use if there's nothing constructive behind it after all.

http://ebonyleopard.deviantart.com/

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

READ THIS PLZ K THX:

So then. Apparently my little list has generated some contempt from the people in the fandom. Here's the thing: I'm not saying all the people on the list are overrated. Some of them are known to only a small group of people. To be honest, I even like the artwork of some of these people.

Let me explain: I'm not going to wail on every single entity I've put on my list of hate or whatever you want to call it. Once you read the articles (when they're posted) you're going to know whether I legitimately think someone is overrated or if I'm just making shit up. I'm just poking fun at and flaming as many people as possible.

Having said that, please understand that I am not "jealous" of these people, as some of my detractors would say. So I can't draw a stick figure. So what? I'm not an artist and I'll never be one.

To be honest, I'm a little tired of everyone calling CYD a "hate site". If you would actually read the "About" section you would see that most of us just like making fun. And what do you call what you're doing when you're spewing venom at us? Loving?

TO EBONYLEOPARD:

I realize I have no control over what you do or how you go about doing it, but I would appreciate if you wait and see what I'm going to say about you before you run off to LiveJournal and start talking about us crazy bastards. I'm uh, glad that you're happy about being on the list and all but please resist to urge to slam me until I have given you cause to do so.

BOTTOM LINE:

Stop taking everything so seriously. Go out and laugh at yourself. Get laid or something. Throw yourself off a building. Recycle. Don't talk to me.

Shrug. Well, why worry? I mean, you really don't know me, my involvement in "furry" activities, especially recently is extremely low, save for the comic I do and the occassional profile art I post of the characters from it, I have darn near zero true involvement in furry fandom anymore at all. So anything you'd type would either be pretty short or exaggerated. I'm hoping not the other since that wouldn't be too fair, but then if you do, I can't stop you, I can just make comment about it and go on with the day.

Though I would ask, why really bother? Something like that seems like it's going to take a lot of your personal time, which I'm sure you probably be spending doing something better with. Most people, yeah, will probably get in a tizzy fit about it, I'll probably just shake my head and ask what happen to the CYD of the old days. (Seriously, this place doesn't quite have the same....zing, as it did when I first discovered it). Though I notice most of those people from then no longer post anymore.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

I find it funny that a handful of us can name a few names we personally find to be overrated artists, mostly stating our reasons and when someone compiles a list all hell breaks loose on the LJs of those who made the list.

I mean hell, Shawntae, you're even registered here. You got a beef with your name on the list, defend yourself here. That worked excellently (drama-free, all parties sated) when Biohazard did it.

I mean fuck, if all those people are so above us why do they gripe every time we take a step?

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

Donny! We need some 'overrated' pig caricatures stat!

I don't have a beef. I actually think it's kinda cool, cause that means something about what I do has gained the attention to warrant being on the list at all. Heck,if anything I was a bit disappointed not being included in the inital list.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

I find it funny that a handful of us can name a few names we personally find to be overrated artists, mostly stating our reasons and when someone compiles a list all hell breaks loose on the LJs of those who made the list.

I mean hell, Shawntae, you're even registered here. You got a beef with your name on the list, defend yourself here. That worked excellently (drama-free, all parties sated) when Biohazard did it.

I mean fuck, if all those people are so above us why do they gripe every time we take a step?

Fake edit: we're just jealous because we can't draw.

Donny! We need some 'overrated' pig caricatures stat!

I don't have a beef. I actually think it's kinda cool, cause that means something about what I do has gained the attention to warrant being on the list at all. Heck,if anything I was a bit disappointed not being included in the inital list.

Wait.
You draw?

Caz · Qualificator Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 15

READ THIS PLZ K THX:

So then. Apparently my little list has generated some contempt from the people in the fandom. Here's the thing: I'm not saying all the people on the list are overrated. Some of them are known to only a small group of people. To be honest, I even like the artwork of some of these people.

Let me explain: I'm not going to wail on every single entity I've put on my list of hate or whatever you want to call it. Once you read the articles (when they're posted) you're going to know whether I legitimately think someone is overrated or if I'm just making shit up. I'm just poking fun at and flaming as many people as possible.

Having said that, please understand that I am not "jealous" of these people, as some of my detractors would say. So I can't draw a stick figure. So what? I'm not an artist and I'll never be one.

To be honest, I'm a little tired of everyone calling CYD a "hate site". If you would actually read the "About" section you would see that most of us just like making fun. And what do you call what you're doing when you're spewing venom at us? Loving?

TO EBONYLEOPARD:

I realize I have no control over what you do or how you go about doing it, but I would appreciate if you wait and see what I'm going to say about you before you run off to LiveJournal and start talking about us crazy bastards. I'm uh, glad that you're happy about being on the list and all but please resist to urge to slam me until I have given you cause to do so.

BOTTOM LINE:

Stop taking everything so seriously. Go out and laugh at yourself. Get laid or something. Throw yourself off a building. Recycle. Don't talk to me.

Eh, you yourself might not be all that into being jealous, but the overall commentary left here sort of has that air about it. And just to note, its not just furries that give this kind of reaction, its artists in general.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 670

Oh, I'm not at all sure that weird_guy was being completely serious with that list, but it certainly provoked some reaction.

Personally, I would say Ebonyleopard is underrated. His art is certainly better than some of the jokers in the mainstream comicbook world who have their fan followings. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he managed to escape into the world of "big" comics one day. Heh, plus of course he deserves a bonus score for drawing the only ape character in the whole fandom :) But hey, where would we be if we started on about the stuff we like!?

Also also: Ken Singshow for "underrated" as well.

Smatterchew · Qualificator Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 24

I think Ebonyleopard has a lot going for his art, other than a few anatomy issues, so I wouldn't personally lump him in the "overrated artist" category. Plus, I don't recall seeing much porn by him. Not that I have a problem with the occasional tame adult art, but the use of smut to porn one's way to popularity is what triggers my "overrated" alarm the most.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Oh, I'm not at all sure that weird_guy was being completely serious with that list, but it certainly provoked some reaction.

Personally, I would say Ebonyleopard is underrated. His art is certainly better than some of the jokers in the mainstream comicbook world who have their fan followings. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he managed to escape into the world of "big" comics one day. Heh, plus of course he deserves a bonus score for drawing the only ape character in the whole fandom :) But hey, where would we be if we started on about the stuff we like!?

Also also: Ken Singshow for "underrated" as well.

I really don't understand why people are afraid to draw apes. I don't buy they, they're too human looking argument, cause there's all kinds of different mechanics that go into drawing a gorilla's face than it does a human. But then, I like drawing anthros that other people don't bother to. Right now, I've been challenged to draw a sexy roach (I lost a friendly artist bet). The only thing about it I'm not looking foward to is the visual research on roaches I have to do before I start drawing (I always research the animals I'm drawing).

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Wait.
You draw?

Yup, http://ebonyleopard.deviantart.com/ It is work constantly in flux. Someday I hope to be pleased with how I draw, but haven't reached that point yet.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Wait.
You draw?

Yup, http://ebonyleopard.deviantart.com/ It is work constantly in flux. Someday I hope to be pleased with how I draw, but haven't reached that point yet.

That's for sure.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Wait.
You draw?

Yup, http://ebonyleopard.deviantart.com/ It is work constantly in flux. Someday I hope to be pleased with how I draw, but haven't reached that point yet.

That's for sure.

Hmm? (BTW,posting more due to having a break from work).

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Oh, I'm not at all sure that weird_guy was being completely serious with that list, but it certainly provoked some reaction.

Personally, I would say Ebonyleopard is underrated. His art is certainly better than some of the jokers in the mainstream comicbook world who have their fan followings. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he managed to escape into the world of "big" comics one day. Heh, plus of course he deserves a bonus score for drawing the only ape character in the whole fandom :) But hey, where would we be if we started on about the stuff we like!?

Also also: Ken Singshow for "underrated" as well.

You may or may not have read the article but if you did you would've noticed that I didn't call it "THE MOST OVERRATED ARTISTS EVAR". It started out like that but I think I'm going to drop that and just stick to artists in general.

vanilla rin · Apocrisiary Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 45

I have no opinion of Ebonyleopard's work, however, I am of the strong opinion that he needs to learn that you can edit posts, too.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

I have no opinion of Ebonyleopard's work, however, I am of the strong opinion that he needs to learn that you can edit posts, too.

You're right about that. I'll admit, I'm not too knowledgable about how forum posting works since i don't post very often. I'll cop to that.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

http://www.deviantart.com/view/25833380/ these swords made me laugh.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/22679727/ <lol2

Fuck furries. Man, you can't draw THINGS.

Bag Full o' Money · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Ebonyleopard wrote

I've been challenged to draw a sexy roach

Some Sonic fan called EAMZE beat you to it.
My mom once observed that to draw a Sonic character, you just take the standard "Sonic character" model and give it one distinct feature to signal what species it's supposed to be. In this case, the antennae.

MonicaKitty · Vociferator Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 663

Sexy girl roach art makes my reality hurt.

MagKnightX · Vociferator Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 420

She'll sexily give you 10 different sexy diseases just by looking at her... sexily!

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Wait.
You draw?

Yup, http://ebonyleopard.deviantart.com/ It is work constantly in flux. Someday I hope to be pleased with how I draw, but haven't reached that point yet.

Hey! Not bad at all.

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

Ebonyleopard wrote

I've been challenged to draw a sexy roach

Some Sonic fan called EAMZE beat you to it.
My mom once observed that to draw a Sonic character, you just take the standard "Sonic character" model and give it one distinct feature to signal what species it's supposed to be. In this case, the antennae.

That thing is named "Cockaru."

Cockaru.

I hate the Sonic fandom so much.

Iveechan · Qualificator Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 32

I wouldn't call that sexy. Looks like a BRATZ doll. Then again, I REALLY REALLY hate Sonic style art.

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

To threadjack for one brief moment:

On the subject of sonic fanart, why is it that sonic-styled characters are banned from VCL, but there are entire galleries of Yoshi vore porn?

I'm just sayin', is all...

Moonbeam · Qualificator Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 30

To threadjack for one brief moment:

On the subject of sonic fanart, why is it that sonic-styled characters are banned from VCL, but there are entire galleries of Yoshi vore porn?

I'm just sayin', is all...

:shock: Yoshi vore porn? *dies* How in the world could anyone see anything sexy in Yoshi? (Not even gonna get into the vore aspect... blech)

Back on the subject of overrated artists... I don't think you necessarily have to be a bad artist to be overrated. My definition of overrated is when I look at it and go, yeah, that's pretty good, while everyone else is going SQUEEEE OMG IT'S TEH GRATEST EVAH!!!11!! and the price is skyrocketing out of the range I'm willing to pay for frivolous things.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

http://www.deviantart.com/view/25833380/ these swords made me laugh.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/22679727/ <lol2

Fuck furries. Man, you can't draw THINGS.

How would you suggest they be done better? (And if you want to fuck a furry, that's ok by me. Every guy has their...thing). And I guess drawing THINGS can be difficult from time to time. What does your THING look like?

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Jesus Christ, dude.

and so on.

Now look at your swords again.

And if you can't afford a manual, at least just LOOK ON THE INTERNET how these things look like. (Yes, you just got fursecuted, tell everyone about it.)

stinkweedskunk · Prattler Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 155

I smell a flame war...*grabs the popcorn*

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

What flame war? He's just, well, an overrated artist. I'm not saying he's an evil person or something.

In addition to drawing things (at least semi-realistic and in pseudo 3d), he should also try a thiner lineart. As I said, I don't care if his furries are better than other furries on dA (which they btw aren't really, or maybe I just watch only the best "anthro" artists out there, so maybe a "better then average" or something, I don't know).

Oh, and also get some real coloring instead of MSPaint(?).

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

Just going through the list a few pages back and I noticed Goldenwolf and Dark Natasha on there. Why are they considered overrated? I'm not that familiar with a lot of Natasha's work, but I know Goldenwolf is good at what she does...or is it just the cliche aspect of the subject matter that you're getting at here?

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

I think you guys are going to wind up putting everyone who has ever drawn furry porn and is known by more than two people on that list just for the hell of it at this rate

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

Just going through the list a few pages back and I noticed Goldenwolf and Dark Natasha on there. Why are they considered overrated? I'm not that familiar with a lot of Natasha's work, but I know Goldenwolf is good at what she does...or is it just the cliche aspect of the subject matter that you're getting at here?

In my case, it's because of Eyes of the Night, which sold for $10,000 (no joke!) at Further Confusion. The picture is well-done, but for ten thousand dollars furry art needs to be better than that, especially since there's only a tiny, tiny demographic that appreciates mystical pseudo-Native-American therianthropic stuff, let alone anything "furry" at all.

IceCat · Venter Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 251

Just going through the list a few pages back and I noticed Goldenwolf and Dark Natasha on there. Why are they considered overrated? I'm not that familiar with a lot of Natasha's work, but I know Goldenwolf is good at what she does...or is it just the cliche aspect of the subject matter that you're getting at here?

In my case, it's because of Eyes of the Night, which sold for $10,000 (no joke!) at Further Confusion. The picture is well-done, but for ten thousand dollars furry art needs to be better than that, especially since there's only a tiny, tiny demographic that appreciates mystical pseudo-Native-American therianthropic stuff, let alone anything "furry" at all.

And with that one sale she made it out of the starving artiste majority, 98% of whom, in all of the "arts" make only $3000 or less per year on thiere artistic skills. Yea I was at that FC where it sold for $10k, was atteding the auction at the time, mostly to watch the action. Was bought by some furry who made a ton of money durring the dotcom bubble, I forget who. but still lots of money for that.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

I think you guys are going to wind up putting everyone who has ever drawn furry porn and is known by more than two people on that list just for the hell of it at this rate

Just wait; Mitch hasn't even posted the article yet.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Yea I was at that FC where it sold for $10k, was atteding the auction at the time, mostly to watch the action. Was bought by some furry who made a ton of money durring the dotcom bubble, I forget who.

Lance Rund, IIRC.

Goldenwolf... a 'starving' artist. Oh my, that's rich. She is good at what she does, but an artist's ability and value is determined by how much they can do, not at how well they can do their one little thing, or their popularity.

Goldenwolf refuses to expand from her current path of painting were and native americanish stuff. I think I saw one elf in an image of her's, once. Whoopie. She wants to paint that which has little to no fanbase; nature and were art outside the fandom, since she (as I am told) loathes the yiffy/scritchy/let's-be-frivolous-and-gay aspects of furries, yet comes to cons to help pay her bills for the rest of the year.

She can draw and paint werewolves extremely well, if you enjoy static poses and cliched settings, but she hardly lives up to the status of art goddess the furries have bestowed upon her, especially considering her love/hate relationship with them (she should post on here).

That friends, is why she is overrated. Although I think Dark Natasha may also be put on the same pedestal by your average furry, she has more heart in her work, is FAR less stuck up, less loatheful towards that which feeds her and doesn't take herself as seriously. She makes better stuff, and won't give you the evil eye because your conbadge has a gheyphox in it.

I smell a flame war...*grabs the popcorn*

Yes, odd how it takes a japanophile to try and tell off a competant furry artist on samuri sword drawing. A bit like a Trekkie and a Star Wars dork arguing over the propulsion inaccuries in a fanfic of the others.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

I smell a flame war...*grabs the popcorn*

Yes, odd how it takes a japanophile to try and tell off a competant furry artist on samuri sword drawing. A bit like a Trekkie and a Star Wars dork arguing over the propulsion inaccuries in a fanfic of the others.

I'd never fav any of his pics as for now. He can't draw properly, and his coloring looks like this online Make-a-Hero game few years ago.

So-called "Anthro artists" I watch:

http://goldenwolf.deviantart.com/ "of course"
http://ursulav.deviantart.com/ pro artist, afair
http://kenket.deviantart.com/
http://kerembeyit.deviantart.com/ kinda, he draws werevolves alot
http://jaxxblackfox.deviantart.com/ Halo fag
http://kyoht.deviantart.com/

and few others I watch for the other stuff so don't remember.

Also http://daveykinsfoxfire.deviantart.com/ for being so good in being so bad.

Iveechan · Qualificator Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 32

I like ebonyleopard's art. Like, not love... there's only one person whose art I adore, but I ain't naming names and he's not well-known in furry.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

http://www.deviantart.com/view/25833380/ these swords made me laugh.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/22679727/ <lol2

Fuck furries. Man, you can't draw THINGS.

How would you suggest they be done better? (And if you want to fuck a furry, that's ok by me. Every guy has their...thing). And I guess drawing THINGS can be difficult from time to time. What does your THING look like?

Since when is it a requirement to always only draw a historically correct sword ?
The characters displayed ain't historic figures and he could put a polygon into their hands for all I care.

That aside.
The second pic made me laugh out loud, nonetheless.
What a bearded lady.
Like a 80 year old, bald monk with tits.

Bag Full o' Money · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

wtf wrote:

http://jaxxblackfox.deviantart.com/ Halo fag

I internet-knew Jaxx Blackfox when I was 11 or 12. She drew my silly-looking Sonic fan character and I was so grateful that I reciprocated with a no-talent pic of her character. Memories...

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

So-called "Anthro artists" I watch:

http://goldenwolf.deviantart.com/ "of course"
http://ursulav.deviantart.com/ pro artist, afair
http://kenket.deviantart.com/
http://kerembeyit.deviantart.com/ kinda, he draws werevolves alot
http://jaxxblackfox.deviantart.com/ Halo fag
http://kyoht.deviantart.com/

and few others I watch for the other stuff so don't remember.

Also http://daveykinsfoxfire.deviantart.com/ for being so good in being so bad.

I watch half of those too, and I've just started really loving Ursula v and Kyoht's work. Their watercolur work is really inspiring, and I just really noticed Kenket after seeing her painting for the Beastiary card project a few artists were doing.

I had forgotten about that painting by Goldenwolf that sold for an obcene amount! But hey, even if she doesn't want to branch out in her subject matter, I'd say she's doing just fine if she sells them for that much, justified or not.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

I watch half of those too, and I've just started really loving Ursula v and Kyoht's work. Their watercolur work is really inspiring, and I just really noticed Kenket after seeing her painting for the Beastiary card project a few artists were doing.

I had forgotten about that painting by Goldenwolf

Hey, notice how they're all female... Charisma included :)

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

I'd never fav any of his pics as for now.

I'm sure he's just slitting his wrists over that. :roll:

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

http://www.deviantart.com/view/25833380/ these swords made me laugh.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/22679727/ <lol2

Fuck furries. Man, you can't draw THINGS.

How would you suggest they be done better? (And if you want to fuck a furry, that's ok by me. Every guy has their...thing). And I guess drawing THINGS can be difficult from time to time. What does your THING look like?

Since when is it a requirement to always only draw a historically correct sword ?
The characters displayed ain't historic figures and he could put a polygon into their hands for all I care.

That aside.
The second pic made me laugh out loud, nonetheless.
What a bearded lady.
Like a 80 year old, bald monk with tits.

Heh, well, she is a monkey. They aren't the cutest critters on the planet. I like my morphs looking as realistic in a cartoony way as possible. For the life of me though, I can't remember the specific species of primate she is.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Jesus Christ, dude.

and so on.

Now look at your swords again.

And if you can't afford a manual, at least just LOOK ON THE INTERNET how these things look like. (Yes, you just got fursecuted, tell everyone about it.)

Well, FYI, the swords the monkey is holding actually were taking from pictures I found on the internet (and really, if you're going to suggest books for reference never suggest a book with drawings in them, particularly anime ones. A real photo book works better, otherwise you're only learning how someone else draws something real). As for the one the panda is holding, I made it up. The point of that sword is it can morph into any type of weapon the holder thinks of. So yeah, it's not exactly traditional looking.

And no offense, but I'd wager I could afford far more books than you could. But thanks for the suggestions none the less (also, I already own thos books and pretty much the whole line of the anime books, bought for reference for the kids where I work).

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

What flame war? He's just, well, an overrated artist. I'm not saying he's an evil person or something.

In addition to drawing things (at least semi-realistic and in pseudo 3d), he should also try a thiner lineart. As I said, I don't care if his furries are better than other furries on dA (which they btw aren't really, or maybe I just watch only the best "anthro" artists out there, so maybe a "better then average" or something, I don't know).

Oh, and also get some real coloring instead of MSPaint(?).

I'm always open to seeing your work as reference, I'm one with an open mind and willing to be taught.

As for the coloring, if you hadn't noticed in the descriptions of those character profile pics, they were colored with flats just to have a quick color reference guide for doing more detailed work. Sort of like how people will make the circle color swatches on a modelsheet. So I'm not exactly trying to get all detailed with shadows, midtones, and highlights on those pictures. That's not their function. As for not being the best anthro artist, well duh, I've never claimed to be. Nor to I try to be anything other that what I do.

Like M_Estrugo, I really don't consider my work furry either, more sci-fi traditional superhero stuff. I do the type of cartooning I grew up liking, funny animals and superheros. And I'm not going to get into a flame war, because there's nothing to get into a flame war about. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I can tell when someone is writing for effect anyway. If he doesn't like the work, well, he just doesn't like it. Not like his opinion is going to stop me from drawing what I like.

And finally, FYI, the coloring is done with photoshop 7. If you look at other finished stuff in the gallery, I'm capable of doing more detailed colorwork when I want to. Am I the best at it, heck no. As it is, all I know about digital coloring I've taught myself and I know I have a long way to go. I'd say I'm improving and that's really all an artist can ever hope to do. Continue to evolve and avoid getting stagnet.

m_estrugo · Vociferator Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 547

Well, FYI, the swords the monkey is holding actually were taking from pictures I found on the internet (and really, if you're going to suggest books for reference never suggest a book with drawings in them, particularly anime ones. A real photo book works better, otherwise you're only learning how someone else draws something real).

...

Uhhh....

I guess that means the Osprey books I use for military reference are flawed, since there are only static B&W photographies of weapons, armor and equipment, while the action images are just colorful, detailed illustrations of warriors in action with separated blurbs explaining every little detail of the panoplia.

I'd scan the couple of books about East Asian weaponry I've got from that collection, but my scanner is so worn it can't recognize colors properly anymore. (Er, anyone got a spare scanner -or the funds to get one- to send to a funny animal cartoonist?)

Mff. I'll have to look elsewhere.

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Addendum, put after I read the message coming immediately before this post: I understand Shawntae's position about the fandom. The fact somebody does stuff that is appreciated on the fandom (talking animals, so to say) doesn't immediately mean he's 'one of us' as some people within the fandom think. He may even draw stuff for it, but, as long as he doesn't feel identified with it, he isn't a furry.

I've heard somewhere that a furry fan is anyone willing to accept that tag. So be it.

I've learned that, after all, a furry is someone who accepts being tagged as one.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

I watch half of those too, and I've just started really loving Ursula v and Kyoht's work. Their watercolur work is really inspiring, and I just really noticed Kenket after seeing her painting for the Beastiary card project a few artists were doing.

I had forgotten about that painting by Goldenwolf

Hey, notice how they're all female... Charisma included :)

Wow, you know I've never thought of that before. I wonder if the fact that all my favourite artists are female (even some more not included here) has anything to do with how I see their work subconciously? Weird.

Oh, and I despise those 'How to Draw Manga' books too. and I just opened ANOTHER one that I got for Christmas! anyone want it? :/

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Hey, notice how they're all female... Charisma included :)

Wow, you know I've never thought of that before. I wonder if the fact that all my favourite artists are female (even some more not included here) has anything to do with how I see their work subconciously? Weird.

Oh, and I despise those 'How to Draw Manga' books too. and I just opened ANOTHER one that I got for Christmas! anyone want it? :/

I guess I'd like to, if I don't have one already :) There are good and bad in the series (like the one about big robots was so outdated, and I didn't like horror one too).

And what I meant is: Female furries - few; the best furry(?) artists - all female.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

And what I meant is: Female furries - few; the best furry(?) artists - all female.

why do you think that is? I'm sure there's a logical reason of this somewhere... especially since its to my understanding that most of the best artists in the world are male, so why the apparent exception in the furry lot?

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

And what I meant is: Female furries - few; the best furry(?) artists - all female.

why do you think that is? I'm sure there's a logical reason of this somewhere... especially since its to my understanding that most of the best artists in the world are male, so why the apparent exception in the furry lot?

My wild guess here; Maybe because an overhelming majority(?) of male furries are in just for jailhouse buttsechs and crazy fetishes and/or pedophilia (or just any social acceptance), while many of these few females are in just for the actual art?

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 892

Oy! I'm a male... and I don't have crazy fetishes! =) Well I am not all that good...

Seems many of the girly fur artistees are just 16sumfin... And they can droo lionkingy stuff
just like dat ...While I have struggled to get better at comics and animation for 30 years...

I hear some of them have issues... or fetishes...=)

Eh, truly talented people are always crazy... Maybe tis better to be just a mediocrity! =)

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

My wild guess here; Maybe because an overhelming majority(?) of male furries are in just for jailhouse buttsechs and crazy fetishes and/or pedophilia (or just any social acceptance), while many of these few females are in just for the actual art?

I have this recurring idea that a majority of the straight females in the fandom are batshit insane. Not all of course, but I seen so many of those same socially akward teenagers on LJ that it makes me feel somewhat bad for them.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

My wild guess here; Maybe because an overhelming majority(?) of male furries are in just for jailhouse buttsechs and crazy fetishes and/or pedophilia (or just any social acceptance), while many of these few females are in just for the actual art?

I have this recurring idea that a majority of the straight females in the fandom are batshit insane. Not all of course, but I seen so many of those same socially akward teenagers on LJ that it makes me feel somewhat bad for them.

I can actually day that 90% of my female, online, anthro artist friends have mental problems, but it probably makes they're art more imaginative more than anything else.

wtf · Prattler Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

My wild guess here; Maybe because an overhelming majority(?) of male furries are in just for jailhouse buttsechs and crazy fetishes and/or pedophilia (or just any social acceptance), while many of these few females are in just for the actual art?

I have this recurring idea that a majority of the straight females in the fandom are batshit insane. Not all of course, but I seen so many of those same socially akward teenagers on LJ that it makes me feel somewhat bad for them.

Errr... I thought we were talking about "famous furry artists"? And in my opinion the only not "overrated" I know are female, even if there's few females in the furry.

Well, some of them would say "not furry" too, bet never mind.

Donoutse: I don't think you're "overrated", because I never heard about you oustide of this forum (and still not very much). But I think you're cool :)

Donotsue · Needs to get out more Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 892

Yei, my son!
Then I truly tell thee, Wtf! Seeketh me out and know me! =)

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Oy! I'm a male... and I don't have crazy fetishes! =) Well I am not all that good...

Seems many of the girly fur artistees are just 16sumfin... And they can droo lionkingy stuff
just like dat ...While I have struggled to get better at comics and animation for 30 years...

I hear some of them have issues... or fetishes...=)

Eh, truly talented people are always crazy... Maybe tis better to be just a mediocrity! =)

Ahhhh yes, the angsty teen girl furry artists. Deviantart is a haven for them...them, and their technicolor huskies.
I swear, one day, I'm going to come up with a PLAID husky character and see what kind of trend I can start.

Stoneth · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 1267

I like Shawntae's art. He's a Yerf artist and he draws well. I'll admit that.

BTW, folks. What am I? Underrated? Overrated?

MagnusSkin · Prattler Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 114

Wierdguy, so you're going to do 1 artist per article in this series? I think 3 artists per article would do well. The 3 artists in question having something in common. You could talk about overrated artists in one then talk about the loser nobodies no one would know about in another, to get them some publicity and inject some wholesome goodness into the creamy yiffy grabbag of delights of furry porn.

Donotsue is perfect in all ways. Now that I know about him and his genius, I can clearly put furry porn into perspective... It's all skat.

I think Jeremy Bernal is an ok artist. I have a few of his pics that are'nt yiffy and full of spooge. Though alot are.

Stoneth is underrated because I've never heard of him or seen any of his art work... that I will now like without having seen it because he is a member of CYD.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Wierdguy, so you're going to do 1 artist per article in this series? I think 3 artists per article would do well.

I have five or six in this first article; they're fairly short because I have a lot of stuff to go through. Realize that the first part is going to be rough until I can find the direction I want to go in.

I would've had it up sooner but we've been having problems.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

...

Uhhh....

I guess that means the Osprey books I use for military reference are flawed, since there are only static B&W photographies of weapons, armor and equipment, while the action images are just colorful, detailed illustrations of warriors in action with separated blurbs explaining every little detail of the panoplia.

I'd scan the couple of books about East Asian weaponry I've got from that collection, but my scanner is so worn it can't recognize colors properly anymore. (Er, anyone got a spare scanner -or the funds to get one- to send to a funny animal cartoonist?)

Mff. I'll have to look elsewhere.

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Addendum, put after I read the message coming immediately before this post: I understand Shawntae's position about the fandom. The fact somebody does stuff that is appreciated on the fandom (talking animals, so to say) doesn't immediately mean he's 'one of us' as some people within the fandom think. He may even draw stuff for it, but, as long as he doesn't feel identified with it, he isn't a furry.

I've heard somewhere that a furry fan is anyone willing to accept that tag. So be it.

I've learned that, after all, a furry is someone who accepts being tagged as one.

I wouldn't say they are flawed, I'm just saying, for my own personal reference, if I'm going to use books for stuff like that, I'd rather use books of photos of the real thing than drawings. It's like, I have a lot of anatomy books, basic human animal, both drawn and with real photos. Most of the ones I personally use for drawing though are the ones with pictures of real human muscles and skeletal structures in them, because I've found that books with drawn references in them will look totally different from one another due to the differing artists' styles. So you're really learning from reference from that particular artist's way of drawing rather than what the thing you are drawing really looks like.

The DK book Anatomy for the Artist is a great real photo refernce book, it's about $45, but it's real think with great photos of both male and female anatomy and nudes. For reference books that are drawn, I'd suggest the Dynamic series (I believe there are three books, anatomy, hands, and one that combines the two.) For decent animal references the Simon & Schuster's Guide to (Mammals, Dogs, Birds, Cats, ect) are really good.

MagnusSkin · Prattler Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 114

I kind of had a wacky idea about art that the artist put forth what he saw, maybe not so much when making something photorealistic or as real as possible. You know... the way it is from your eyes. But thats good too ebony.

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

The DK book Anatomy for the Artist is a great real photo refernce book, it's about $45, but it's real think with great photos of both male and female anatomy and nudes. For reference books that are drawn, I'd suggest the Dynamic series (I believe there are three books, anatomy, hands, and one that combines the two.) For decent animal references the Simon & Schuster's Guide to (Mammals, Dogs, Birds, Cats, ect) are really good.

I think I saw that DK book yesterday, but alas, I couldn't afford it because I spent all my money on my yearly pair of shoes D:

I think when it comes to reference, real life drawing, photos AND drawing all work equally well actually. You shouldn't stick to just one kind of reference either way.

Drawn references by other artists can help in letting you see how they use marks/line/brush strokes in order to achieve the image, while photos allow you to obviously see it yourself. And real life drawing is invaluable.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

Just going through the list a few pages back and I noticed Goldenwolf and Dark Natasha on there. Why are they considered overrated? I'm not that familiar with a lot of Natasha's work, but I know Goldenwolf is good at what she does...or is it just the cliche aspect of the subject matter that you're getting at here?

In my case, it's because of Eyes of the Night, which sold for $10,000 (no joke!) at Further Confusion. The picture is well-done, but for ten thousand dollars furry art needs to be better than that, especially since there's only a tiny, tiny demographic that appreciates mystical pseudo-Native-American therianthropic stuff, let alone anything "furry" at all.

But the tiny demographic is the whole point. The smaller the audience, the less likely someone will buy your picture - but if you hit that audience's tastes just right, you can get a very high price (provided of course the demographic has money). As art, a picture like "Eyes of the Night" is utterly pedestrian, but as a fetish, it's head-on for one small subsection of furrydumb. And under the right circumstances, they're willing to shell out big money for that. It's just like how you can but vanilla porn DVDs cheap, while very specialised fetish porn DVDs are costly. That Goldenwolf picture caters right bang pow to someone's fetish (not necessarily in the sexual sense of the word), so he shelled out the $$$$$.

Zorn · Qualificator Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 25

Getting back on topic, there are two that come to mind: Chalosan and Karabiner.

Chalosan is some freelance artist or something from El Salvador and is basically worshipped on Deviantart. Basically all he draws are big-breasted furries with anime eyes. While granted, he is good at drawing, hes no better than the thousands upon thousands of anime artists in the world, and he only has hundreds of pageviews per day because he draws furries.

And then theres Karabiner OH SWEET JESUS I HATE KARABINER. Sure his art has painting like quality to it but wow that guy is seriously just deranged. This was discussed in a thread I posted a few months back, but come almost NOBODY speaks out against all the atrocities that are prevelant in his work? Lets see, we've got ultra-detailed dog dicks, painstakingly rendered for hours in photoshop dog dicks, along with renamon and other remotely furry characters being raped by animals, small anime children being pumped full of jizz by giant bipedal lions, and his insane obsession with digimon. OH YEAH MAN BIPEDAL BLUE DINOSAURS MAKE ME WANNA FUCK
I can give him credit for some his non-pornographic work, which is probably some of the only professional furry art (if you can even say that) I've ever seen, despite his massive hard-on for animal genitalia.

And theres this one other artist I saw on deviantart who really fucking amazes me. Hes some generic Sonic artist, except he renders his generic Sonic drawings in amazing and unrivaled detail. Except for the fact that they're fucking Sonic characters- IMO if almost all of your artwork is devoted (or drawin in the style) to Sonic art, you really dont have any artistic merit. That's something that's always pissed me off about furries- so many of them have this obnoxious obsession with Sonic the Hedgehog.

Xarai · Coadjutor Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

I like Shawntae's art. He's a Yerf artist and he draws well. I'll admit that.

BTW, folks. What am I? Underrated? Overrated?

Probably not well known enough to be underrated or overrated, which is a good thing. Most furry artists, like metal bands and Alienware, stop improving once they become mainstream.

I think your art has improved quite a bit personally.

But the tiny demographic is the whole point. The smaller the audience, the less likely someone will buy your picture - but if you hit that audience's tastes just right, you can get a very high price (provided of course the demographic has money). As art, a picture like "Eyes of the Night" is utterly pedestrian, but as a fetish, it's head-on for one small subsection of furrydumb. And under the right circumstances, they're willing to shell out big money for that. It's just like how you can but vanilla porn DVDs cheap, while very specialised fetish porn DVDs are costly. That Goldenwolf picture caters right bang pow to someone's fetish (not necessarily in the sexual sense of the word), so he shelled out the $$$$$.

And that just makes them even more overrated. I mean, if you were to say "I know this artist who sold a painting for ten grand", most people would react with "Wow, she's damn good." But, as you point out, that's not the case: she just does well in a niche.

Well-known furry artists are like Thomas Kinkade. Every serious artist hates Thomas Kinkade not because he sucks - most will admit he's pretty good - but he's nowhere near good enough to deserve making the money he does. He just happens to be pretty good at making feel-good countryside paintings, which have far greater selling potential than art that actually means anything. Hence, overrated.

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

Hey! Weird Guy! Where's this article already?

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Hey! Weird Guy! Where's this article already?

As I said, we've been having problems. For some reason Mitch wasn't able to get the article when I e-mailed it to him, and now I've sent him a message telling him to hold off for a day or so because it's kind of crappy right now. Patience...

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

Kids, I think we've learned a lot today. 'Overrated' is a subjective term, but relies most on the relative level of fan attention to artistic merit or talent. The entire body of artists within the fandom cannot all be the most overrated at once. Sometimes we pay more attention to things because we don't care about them. And after so many years and so many posts Ebony still cannot work the fucking forum.

And a good eight pages of this pissy infighting forum drama LJ-emo bullshit... well, I guess we've learned some of us are still furries at heart.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

And after so many years and so many posts Ebony still cannot work the fucking forum

Railfoxen ftw.

Seriously, do we need a programming degree to work bbcode?

Bag Full o' Money · Qualificator Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Seriously, do we need a programming degree to work bbcode?

Speaking of not knowing how to work the forum, can someone please instruct me on how to make my quotes have the proper "So and so wrote:" thing?

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 705

Seriously, do we need a programming degree to work bbcode?

Speaking of not knowing how to work the forum, can someone please instruct me on how to make my quotes have the proper "So and so wrote:" thing?

Simply quote someone's post as if to reply and look at the code it autopastes in.

On topic: I agree about Karabiner. But I'm willing to wait.

Ebonyleopard · Venter Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 275

Getting back on topic, there are two that come to mind: Chalosan and Karabiner.

Chalosan is some freelance artist or something from El Salvador and is basically worshipped on Deviantart. Basically all he draws are big-breasted furries with anime eyes. While granted, he is good at drawing, hes no better than the thousands upon thousands of anime artists in the world, and he only has hundreds of pageviews per day because he draws furries.

And then theres Karabiner OH SWEET JESUS I HATE KARABINER. Sure his art has painting like quality to it but wow that guy is seriously just deranged. This was discussed in a thread I posted a few months back, but come almost NOBODY speaks out against all the atrocities that are prevelant in his work? Lets see, we've got ultra-detailed dog dicks, painstakingly rendered for hours in photoshop dog dicks, along with renamon and other remotely furry characters being raped by animals, small anime children being pumped full of jizz by giant bipedal lions, and his insane obsession with digimon. OH YEAH MAN BIPEDAL BLUE DINOSAURS MAKE ME WANNA FUCK
I can give him credit for some his non-pornographic work, which is probably some of the only professional furry art (if you can even say that) I've ever seen, despite his massive hard-on for animal genitalia.

And theres this one other artist I saw on deviantart who really fucking amazes me. Hes some generic Sonic artist, except he renders his generic Sonic drawings in amazing and unrivaled detail. Except for the fact that they're fucking Sonic characters- IMO if almost all of your artwork is devoted (or drawin in the style) to Sonic art, you really dont have any artistic merit. That's something that's always pissed me off about furries- so many of them have this obnoxiou
s obsession with Sonic the Hedgehog.

Well, for the record, Karabiner doesn't use photoshop he uses Painter and the time it takes him to complete something he draws is amazingly fast, under 2 hours actually. And to be overated I'd figure you'd have to be attempting to get the attention, which he reallys doesn't and very rarely posts his work publically, which then I'm going to assume you must be searching out his artwork to find it.

As for the Sonic art, shrug, maybe that person just likes Sonic. Who's to say he's even a 'furry' artist. I reallyth ink that lable get's thrown around to quickly and fast for anybody that draws an anthro character. I man, if you guys do it and don't want to be called furries, they how is someone else going to not be labeled it either? And frankly, this whole thing is silly cause no one is really listing criteria at all for being considered overrated. If anything the list just seems to be a bunch of people who draw really well, but for some reason or other there's an axe to grind against them for no other reason than they draw what they draw real well. No personal connection to the artist in a way of what they do perosnally at all. It's like, hey Chris Sawyer draws good anatomy on anthros, he's overrated.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

MITCH ! Where are you ?
I wanna read the article.

Heck, I want to read more articles.
Somebody write more articles for CYD.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Getting back on topic, there are two that come to mind: Chalosan and Karabiner.

Chalosan is some freelance artist or something from El Salvador and is basically worshipped on Deviantart. Basically all he draws are big-breasted furries with anime eyes. While granted, he is good at drawing, hes no better than the thousands upon thousands of anime artists in the world, and he only has hundreds of pageviews per day because he draws furries.

And then theres Karabiner OH SWEET JESUS I HATE KARABINER. Sure his art has painting like quality to it but wow that guy is seriously just deranged. This was discussed in a thread I posted a few months back, but come almost NOBODY speaks out against all the atrocities that are prevelant in his work? Lets see, we've got ultra-detailed dog dicks, painstakingly rendered for hours in photoshop dog dicks, along with renamon and other remotely furry characters being raped by animals, small anime children being pumped full of jizz by giant bipedal lions, and his insane obsession with digimon. OH YEAH MAN BIPEDAL BLUE DINOSAURS MAKE ME WANNA FUCK
I can give him credit for some his non-pornographic work, which is probably some of the only professional furry art (if you can even say that) I've ever seen, despite his massive hard-on for animal genitalia.

And theres this one other artist I saw on deviantart who really fucking amazes me. Hes some generic Sonic artist, except he renders his generic Sonic drawings in amazing and unrivaled detail. Except for the fact that they're fucking Sonic characters- IMO if almost all of your artwork is devoted (or drawin in the style) to Sonic art, you really dont have any artistic merit. That's something that's always pissed me off about furries- so many of them have this obnoxious obsession with Sonic the Hedgehog.

the thing with Karabiner is that he is good.... but also japanese and furry.

to be fair apparently he no longer draws digimon porn... lovingly rendered dog dicks are another story.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

MITCH ! Where are you ?
I wanna read the article.

Heck, I want to read more articles.
Somebody write more articles for CYD.

It's up now. Sorry if it sucks.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

MITCH ! Where are you ?
I wanna read the article.

Heck, I want to read more articles.
Somebody write more articles for CYD.

It's up now. Sorry if it sucks.

I <3 you. Finally someone agrees that what Jess K. draws isn't 'cute'.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

MITCH ! Where are you ?
I wanna read the article.

Heck, I want to read more articles.
Somebody write more articles for CYD.

It's up now. Sorry if it sucks.

I <3 you. Finally someone agrees that what Jess K. draws isn't 'cute'.

I actually think hopkins art looks like a Dr Seuss book.... but with rape and murder

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Would you rape her in a tree?
Would you rape her at half past three?
Would you rape her eating cheese?
Would you rape her while you sneeze?
Would you rape her with a horse?
Would you rape her on a schloosre?

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

MITCH ! Where are you ?
I wanna read the article.

Heck, I want to read more articles.
Somebody write more articles for CYD.

It's up now. Sorry if it sucks.

I <3 you. Finally someone agrees that what Jess K. draws isn't 'cute'.

I actually think hopkins art looks like a Dr Seuss book.... but with rape and murder

oh wow, yeah I can agree with that. I think its the big eyes and crazy hairstyles that do it.

peppersprayed · Vociferator Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 420

Would you rape her in a tree?
Would you rape her at half past three?
Would you rape her eating cheese?
Would you rape her while you sneeze?
Would you rape her with a horse?
Would you rape her on a schloosre?

The embodiment of pure evil that stole christmas

Foxid · Vociferator Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 305

Weird Guy == WINNER.

A very good start, kind sir. I was hoping the first part would've been longer, but perhaps it is wise to save some of 'teh funnay' for later instead of spilling it all at once.

I must wonder though - given the sheer number of artists we've "reccomended" in this thread, just how many parts is this article going to be?

Chozo · Qualificator Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 2

Twelve pages have gone by and no mention of Inuki and her wall-eyed japtoon pedobunny porn yet?

UGH UGH UGH. Her art is so ugly and creepy, but she has so many fans. D:

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 570

.....Ebony Leopard,Brian O'Connell,Eric Schwartz,Steven A. Martin,Taral a.k.a. Wayne McDonald,Miyu,Wendell Washer............and me :wink:

Dr. Dos · Vociferator Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 731

I would not rape her on the train
I would not rape her in the rain
I would not rape her in a box
I would not rape her with a fox
I would not rape her in a tree
I would not rape her at half past three
I would not rape her eating cheese
I would not rape her while you sneeze
I would not rape her with a horse
I would not rape her on a schloosre
I will not do it Drip-you-twit!
I do not like non-consentual shit!

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 570

ahhhh Hell!we all suck in one way or another...artists that is....I can speak for real life people. :wink:

Jerry Collins · Vociferator Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 570

ahhhh Hell!we all suck in one way or another...artists that is....I can't speak for real life people. :wink:

0r0ch1 · Qualificator Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 27

me me me me! :D~~~ lolzomgintraweb

Well Chalo-san's already been nominated, who else............... Andrew Dickman? But then again that guy just annoys the sheer fuck out of me, though he DID "rise to popularity" for pornpornpornporn... so you make t3h choice

Moonbeam · Qualificator Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 30

Andrew Dickman?

he DID "rise to popularity" for pornpornpornporn... so you make t3h choice

There's a guy named Andrew Dickman drawing porn?

*snicker*

Edited for tags. Preview is my friend, apparently.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

so is Jess K a fatty?

vanilla rin · Apocrisiary Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 45

The article needs pictures (or links to galleries, at the least) badly. I'm not a furry, so I don't know who most of these people are without doing some research; I'm sure there are others like me reading, as well.

Though... I probably shouldn't be asking to see any of that, from the descriptions...

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

Nice article. Really brightened up a shitty night for me (yes, it was that shitty). Only... any chance of a *small* sample from each artist? Because, compared to you guys, I'm clueless about all the 'personalities' out there.
(And I wish I had hundreds of rabid fans when I did this. Tens would have sufficed. But I suppose I'd've only been dragged deeper into the quagmire)

MagnusSkin · Prattler Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 114

Are you seriously asking for GIANT PINK LABIAS?

Charisma · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 346

me me me me! :D~~~ lolzomgintraweb

Well Chalo-san's already been nominated, who else............... Andrew Dickman? But then again that guy just annoys the sheer fuck out of me, though he DID "rise to popularity" for pornpornpornporn... so you make t3h choice

I did see your gallery today on DA and considered it, but your art's very good in my opinion and you have the right number of pageviews and comments to reflect that :) So well done for being...'just-right-rated' or something...

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

Are you seriously asking for GIANT PINK LABIAS?

He said, on a forum that had an 'Atrocity Archive'.

Well, links, then. Something so us sheltered people can choose to click, recoil with an exaggerated 'Ew!', and never click again.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Nice article. Really brightened up a shitty night for me (yes, it was that shitty). Only... any chance of a *small* sample from each artist? Because, compared to you guys, I'm clueless about all the 'personalities' out there.
(And I wish I had hundreds of rabid fans when I did this. Tens would have sufficed. But I suppose I'd've only been dragged deeper into the quagmire)

Jessica Elwood

Dr. Comet

Dark Natasha

Steve Martin

Jess K.

Dave Hopkins

Many of these are NSFW.

Captain Cowgirl · Needs to get out more Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1151

Nice article. Really brightened up a shitty night for me (yes, it was that shitty). Only... any chance of a *small* sample from each artist? Because, compared to you guys, I'm clueless about all the 'personalities' out there.
(And I wish I had hundreds of rabid fans when I did this. Tens would have sufficed. But I suppose I'd've only been dragged deeper into the quagmire)

Jessica Elwood

Dr. Comet

Dark Natasha

Steve Martin

Jess K.

Dave Hopkins

Many of these are NSFW.

HEHHHHHH.
There should be links to these in the article, methinks.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

so is Jess K a fatty?

Her Pounced ad is taken down, so I lack the proof, but yes, she is a tubby pseudo lesbo.

She's got a rather unintentionally amusing LJ.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

so is Jess K a fatty?

Her Pounced ad is taken down, so I lack the proof, but yes, she is a tubby pseudo lesbo.

She's got a rather unintentionally amusing LJ.

Jess K is overrated ?
Does not seem like much of a figure.
How did she make it into the list ?

0r0ch1 · Qualificator Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 27

Andrew Dickman?

he DID "rise to popularity" for pornpornpornporn... so you make t3h choice

There's a guy named Andrew Dickman drawing porn?

*snicker*

Edited for tags. Preview is my friend, apparently.

No foolin' http://andrewdickman.deviantart.com (original tag huh? ). And, i'm sorry but, ........"Tail chasers"??? i dare you to NOT find something incredibly auto-demeaning in that title 9_9;;;

0r0ch1 · Qualificator Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 27

me me me me! :D~~~ lolzomgintraweb

Well Chalo-san's already been nominated, who else............... Andrew Dickman? But then again that guy just annoys the sheer fuck out of me, though he DID "rise to popularity" for pornpornpornporn... so you make t3h choice

I did see your gallery today on DA and considered it, but your art's very good in my opinion and you have the right number of pageviews and comments to reflect that :) So well done for being...'just-right-rated' or something...

And not a fatty =D *FUCKING WHEEEEEEEEEE*

Moonbeam · Qualificator Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 30

Jess K.

Many of these are NSFW.

I am scarred for life by the upside-down masturbating leopard.

I don't know which is scarier... when they draw them with human genitalia, or when they draw them with lovingly detailed and painstakingly accurate animal genitalia.

*runs away to think of rainbows and sunshine, but NOT kitties and bunnies and duckies, damnit*

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

She's got a rather unintentionally amusing LJ.

Christ look at that interests list. So this is what all those insanely conservative pundits are ranting about. They all saw JessK's livejournal and went from there.

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/36903297/692239

Feeling ashamed to be vegetarian right about now

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Christ look at that interests list. So this is what all those insanely conservative pundits are ranting about. They all saw JessK's livejournal and went from there.

Fun part is that one brick wall of Conservative thinking known as 'Exile' once comissioned her, something happened and drama flew everywhere, including the new drapes I just put up.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

Fun part is that one brick wall of Conservative thinking known as 'Exile' once comissioned her, something happened and drama flew everywhere, including the new drapes I just put up.

Linx please!

Furries are the best ever at angry political shitstorms.

nopedestrian · Prattler Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 142

Hahahahahaha.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mr_mischief/18908.html

Also JessK... I'm sorry if I offended last night, I was very drunk and didn;t realize that if you take turkey and make hamburger patties that does not constitute them being vegan.

Maybe it's the wine talking, but to me right now this is the funniest quote I've ever seen on the internet.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

Linx please!

Furries are the best ever at angry political shitstorms.

Delivered.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

Linx please!

Furries are the best ever at angry political shitstorms.

Delivered.

Pure insanity.
So thats answers my question why JessK can be considered overated.
40$ and a holy war all about a piece of Oekaki (aka MSpaint crap).

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

*Linkage*
Many of these are NSFW.

Thanks. I'm now sorry I asked, which is just what I wanted. :)

Banrai · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 575

Having met JessK in person, she's not that bad. She was very quiet, almost shy. Very reserved.

Zorn · Qualificator Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 25

Twelve pages have gone by and no mention of Inuki and her wall-eyed japtoon pedobunny porn yet?

UGH UGH UGH. Her art is so ugly and creepy, but she has so many fans. D:

Alot of her recent art is nothing worse than most of the things you'd see on 4chan's /y/, but there still is no doubting shes some creepy german pedophile with an unhealthy obsession of semen-leaking assholes.