Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

RailFoxen · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 639

Tolerable artist Corbett creates a 'How To Draw Yiffy Murrholes' sort of book - solicits donations to publish it.

I've never done this before, but I am going to set out a donations can on my dealer's room table at the con and ask for help to get this book out.
I believe this book will be of great material benefit to the fandom as a whole, so its a worthy cause.

Probably not a tax deductable donation.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

That someone can draw does not mean that someone can also teach it.

I hate those plain How to... books.
They give away almost nothing about the important basics and simply give the beginner stencil type methods that deliver quick results but teach almost nothing important.

Edit:
Just found his VCL gallery. I see nothing groundbreaking good and wonder what deludes this guy into thinking he could teach art. I would not even want his advise in a free downloadable ebook.

weird_guy_in_the_corner · Vociferator Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 732

Funny how he doesn't give samples.

My prediction is that he gets the money, because these are the same kind of people who shell out hundreds of dollars so their character on Furcadia can have wings.

AngryPuritan · TOP POSTER! Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 1437

When you draw tits, a few fanboys will crowd around and tell you that your turds are made of 18k gold. Thusly, you think yourself a talented and skilled artiste! (we need a snotty french artist smilie)

Iron seems to have this, as his drawings show lukewarm talent only. Then again, if he sees this we can safely assume he will think we are stalking him like Xydexx assumes.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

Drawing furry art isnt the most complex of sciences. Its like A) learn to draw animals, B) learn to draw people. C) combine the two. D)add porn for profits.

Not to mention last time I checked in the Barnes and Noble there was a couple books by some other groups that had a decent section on anthromorphs. (they called them mutants and monsters) Really when it comes to books though, if it was a useful book it shouldnt have to be a donation scrap to get it published. Last I checked authors could take a loan from the bank to fund their book...though that requires taking a risk and paying people back.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

I'm more than willing to put $200 towards this by the middle of February.

I hope wolfwings is a personal friend of Corbett who wants to help him, because no one should shell out $200 just to get a book of dubious use. I mean, jeez. For $200 he could take quite a few life drawing classes, and for much fewer money he could buy a book that teaches the general principles of drawing, like Betty Edwards' "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain".

What many people miss completely is that most of the "How to draw a specific sort of characters" books, be they anime, superhero or furry, merely teach you to imitate somebody else's style. You don't learn the all-important basics that allow you to go beyond the clichés and stock poses.

Also: in his LJ userinfo, Corbett claims he "makes his living as a professional freelance furry artist." Must be a pretty bad living if he can't scrape together a measly $800 for a project that he claims is "a worthy cause". If he's so good at teaching and has gotten so many "positive and enthusiastic responses", why dare he not take a bank loan to get his book published? He's not exactly giving the impression it's a worthwhile product.

On a completely unrelated note: MissMab, yor avatar makes me giggle. :)

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

I hope wolfwings is a personal friend of Corbett who wants to help him, because no one should shell out $200 just to get a book of dubious use.

He's really dipping into the porn fund. Think he'll get the money back? I mean, how many less-talented-than-usual furries are going to shell out for it?

I mean, jeez. For $200 he could take quite a few life drawing classes, and for much fewer money he could buy a book that teaches the general principles of drawing, like Betty Edwards' "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain".
What many people miss completely is that most of the "How to draw a specific sort of characters" books, be they anime, superhero or furry, merely teach you to imitate somebody else's style. You don't learn the all-important basics that allow you to go beyond the clichés and stock poses.

I like Burne Hogarth's 'Dynamic Figure Drawing'. Some don't like the style, but it's the technique, not the style, that's useful to me.

why dare he not take a bank loan to get his book published? He's not exactly giving the impression it's a worthwhile product.

Do banks give out loans for books on animal porn?

On a completely unrelated note: MissMab, yor avatar makes me giggle. :)

Yes. 'Tis entertaining.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

why dare he not take a bank loan to get his book published? He's not exactly giving the impression it's a worthwhile product.

Do banks give out loans for books on animal porn?

Good point.

Mr. Jones, bank employee: "Mr. Corbett, I understand you'd like to obtain a loan. Tell me about your project, I'm sure we can work something out."
Mr. Corbett, furry artist: "It's a book on furry porn, it's sure to be a big success! Here, have a look at these art samples I've brought."
Mr. Jones, bank employee: "... GUARDS!"

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

A clockwork Animal Crossing is love.

I have a few anatomy books and reference books...there really isnt much a need IMO to have a furry-only book. I mean..once you get the human aspect down its generally a matter of googling whatever animal you need for a reference. Maybe I missed something and there really is a specific scientific formula for proper furry-art...but odds are it will be more a "learn how to draw just like me" book.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

I mean, jeez. For $200 he could take quite a few life drawing classes, and for much fewer money he could buy a book that teaches the general principles of drawing, like Betty Edwards' "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain".
What many people miss completely is that most of the "How to draw a specific sort of characters" books, be they anime, superhero or furry, merely teach you to imitate somebody else's style. You don't learn the all-important basics that allow you to go beyond the clichés and stock poses.

I like Burne Hogarth's 'Dynamic Figure Drawing'. Some don't like the style, but it's the technique, not the style, that's useful to me.

All art is about technique not style. You can draw whatever you want from Mickey mouse to Golgo 13 so long as you understand basic anatomy

LoKi · Venter Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 287

You know, it's not much of a donation when the money is used to create a profit for him.

Beauty of Nature · Venter Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 246

A clockwork Animal Crossing is love.

I have a few anatomy books and reference books...there really isnt much a need IMO to have a furry-only book. I mean..once you get the human aspect down its generally a matter of googling whatever animal you need for a reference. Maybe I missed something and there really is a specific scientific formula for proper furry-art...but odds are it will be more a "learn how to draw just like me" book.

The magic formula is good amalgation.
If it is a perfect animal head slapped onto a perfect human body then it does not work. Everything needs to be a blend of human and animal traits.

vanilla rin · Apocrisiary Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 45

Since we got a bit offtopic to talk about art reference books for a while, does anyone have any recommendations that haven't been mentioned? I'm in the market for one, myself. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to abuse this thread further.

To stay on topic: there needs to be a book teaching furries that drawing furries doesn't mean you have to forsake anything else.

And no, furries combined with objects don't count as 'something else'.

Iconoclastic · Vociferator Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 361

Since we got a bit offtopic to talk about art reference books for a while, does anyone have any recommendations that haven't been mentioned? I'm in the market for one, myself. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to abuse this thread further.

To stay on topic: there needs to be a book teaching furries that drawing furries doesn't mean you have to forsake anything else.

And no, furries combined with objects don't count as 'something else'.

Rule 1: Do not buy anything from Christopher Hart.

This is the book mentioned prior. I love the style of it, but it's not a book that will teach you drawing basics.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

'Drawing For Animation' by Kevin Hedgpeth and Stephen Missal.

Even if you don't want to be an animator it's got some great tips about anatomy and figure drawing and some great fantasty hints too

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

All art is about technique not style. You can draw whatever you want from Mickey mouse to Golgo 13 so long as you understand basic anatomy

I'm not sure if that's a put-down or not. :|

In case it is: yes, I understand basic anatomy. But I noticed a distinct improvement to my scribblings once I bought Hogarth's book.

In case it isn't: yes, I agree. One of my almost-mottos is to learn the structure of the thing, then you can turn it into a cartoon.

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

All art is about technique not style. You can draw whatever you want from Mickey mouse to Golgo 13 so long as you understand basic anatomy

I'm not sure if that's a put-down or not. :|

It can only be a put-down if raygirl has seen your art and didn't like it...

I know there are several of the forum members who are artists, though some of them don't like to reveal their identity... but... care to drop us a link to your art?

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

I'm not sure if that's a put-down or not. :|
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It wasn't. I was part agreeing with you :)

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

It can only be a put-down if raygirl has seen your art and didn't like it...

Well, I had the thought that the mention of Hogarth wasn't well-recieved. ;)

I know there are several of the forum members who are artists, though some of them don't like to reveal their identity... but... care to drop us a link to your art?

I wondered when someone would ask that, but good luck finding it. :lol:
I was Chiefinquisitor on Playmouse.com, but I took down all my stuff and renounced furry when I saw the 'furry=bestiality=good' discussion on the forums. Which almost completed my utter disillusionment with them. The thing that did complete it was the fact that no-one batted an eyelid when I left. Bastards.

But hey! There's one or two admin-posted bits still up there (despite my requests). But bear in mind that I never professed to be a furry Da Vinci.

http://www.playmouse.com/coppermine/displayimage/album=128/pos=10.html

An attempt at humour. It's coloured by someone else, which I guess lessens my hold on it.
There are literally a couple of others, but they should really have been removed on the grounds that they're dire. But hey, it's Playmouse.

If you want to see more, ask about on the forums. I don't know what kind of reception you'd get, though.

EDIT: You need an account to see it. Sorry.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

As for books, if you want poses in general if you can find something by Bijutsu Shuppan-Sha I find those really well-done. (they're Japanese and use real models, but each pose is covered from various angles and its really well-done in most books. But they're tough to find) But I find one of the best things is to just go to a bookstore and see some of what some books have to offer. Christopher Hart isnt a really good choice in most cases though. But flip through some books and if you can find one that has 10+ pages of things you know straight on would be useful, go for it.

As said, figure drawing classes are the #1 way IMO for someone to nail anatomy. I regret not taking more classes of it.

As for art, I putter on a comic (www.missmab.com) and an art site I really should update sometime this year. (www.mabsland.com) Fear my uncreative domain choices. I cant see anything from Playmouse since I'm not a member and I really would rather stay that way. X3

Paul · Needs to get out more Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 1139

http://www.playmouse.com/coppermine/displayimage/album=128/pos=10.html
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EDIT: You need an account to see it. Sorry.

Thanks, but I don't intend to get an account with any furry site!

I'm always interested in seeing people's art, but I'm totally down with some artists preferring to retain anonymity on this forum, considering how often we get the CYD = HATE SITE accusation.

(I'm actually slightly impressed that MissMab registered under her well-known artists' alias, given the level of whining and bitching that many members of the DMFA forum are prone to. :wink: )

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

Thanks, but I don't intend to get an account with any furry site!

Probably for the best.

MissMab · Qualificator Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

(I'm actually slightly impressed that MissMab registered under her well-known artists' alias, given the level of whining and bitching that many members of the DMFA forum are prone to. :wink: )

To be honest I did debate when first registering if I should use my default name or try to go under an alias. After thinking about it though I figured it probably would be figured out sooner or later and I wasn't sure what the reaction would have been for trying to keep secret. That and I figured if I do get flak, I might as well get it for being open and honest rather than have the added "two-face" stereotype.

That and I'm lazy. Horribly horribly lazy. And trying to come up with seven ways to keep a secret identity is a whole precious ten minutes I cannot waste.

As for accounts, I tend to only sign up if I intend to use an account...I hate signing up for things just to be able to see the freaking picture. Which is probably one of my gripes about systems like DeviantArt and such. There's something strangely wrong about the fact one needs to have an account in order to contact Deviantart to gripe at the fact someone is stealing a picture and trying to sell a print of it on their page.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

(I'm actually slightly impressed that MissMab registered under her well-known artists' alias, given the level of whining and bitching that many members of the DMFA forum are prone to. :wink: )

To be honest I did debate when first registering if I should use my default name or try to go under an alias. After thinking about it though I figured it probably would be figured out sooner or later and I wasn't sure what the reaction would have been for trying to keep secret. That and I figured if I do get flak, I might as well get it for being open and honest rather than have the added "two-face" stereotype.

I think popular artists (furry or otherwise) who hide behind another name on this board instead of using the name they normally use are cowards who odviously aren't prepared to stand up to the fact that people are going to bitch at them. If they had any balls and wanted to join this site to defend their corner (should they have to) they'd sign up under the name people all over the net know them by

I've allways been raygirl, and if people want to protest what I like or draw then I'm not afraid to stand up and let them say it to my (metaphorical) face

So props to you Mab.

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 705

Yeah, you can see Amazon now.

People who bought Steve Corbett's 'How To Draw Yiffy Murrholes' also bought:

Dubious Introvert Hobbies for Complete Idiots
How to Commit Social Self Destuction in 21 Days
Easy Suicide Methods for Dummies

CI · Rasophore Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 61

Ah... I remember.

http://www.furvert.net/MinervaMink/index.php?gal=0&pg=10

Numbers 3-7, also third down, on the left.
They're from when I was still learning to draw (hence farting around with model sheets), and I wouldn't force this shit on anyone; but you asked, and you asked nicely.

raygirl · Prattler Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 198

http://www.furvert.net/MinervaMink/view.php?gal=0&pg=10&count=427&id=Pinball.JPG

...um....just urgh

Octan · Coadjutor Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 95

Anyone who knows me from elsewhere will recognize my username too. It's the same one I use everywhere. Plus in this case it makes a nice play on words for my signature. (And by "nice" I mean "mildly disturbing").

(we need a snotty french artist smilie)

How's zis... |:-{D

Rule 1: Do not buy anything from Christopher Hart.

Hey. Don't go dissin' the Hartster. He taught me everything I know about cartooning, and didn't pander to supposedly five-year-old wannabes who can't draw any shape more complicated than a circle, unlike every other cartooning book I ever read.