Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

VanityFare · Recusant Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 2

I'm sure most of you are familiar with it, but anyway it's based on a true story of two friends that murdered one of their mothers in New Zealand back in the 1950s.

This quote from a review sums it up quite well:

The drab and introverted life of ninth-grader Pauline Parker (Melanie Lynskey) is transformed when she is befriended by Juliet Hulme (Kate Winslet), a charming, pretty, and highly imaginative girl from England. They share a deep disappointment with reality and together create a "Fourth World" which consists of a mythological kingdom populated by royalty, lovers, and an executioner.

The two sets of parents eventually become very concerned about the girls' obsessive friendship. When they try to separate them, the teenagers come up with a lethal response. Heavenly Creatures reveals how pernicious fantasy can become when it is based on a deep-seated hatred of the world.

Holy shit. Deep disappointment of reality? Sounds like a lot of furries, check. Fantasy based on hatred of the world? Check again, though perhaps not so much as the last.

The part of the mythological kingdom and it be populated by fantasy lovers and the like kind of made me think of how for instance a lot of males in the furry fandom that most likely aren't truely "gay" and when they have sexual relations with each other they're picturing that they're screwing a big bosomed vixen, tiger skunk, or whatever.

Obviously, their's a big difference between murdering someone and refusing to "take off the mask" but the Houston Press article Mike posted further "claims" my theory, by how those people let their imaginations go so far with them that they have no remorse or whatever with breaking the law.

I'm not saying I WANT such a thing to happen, but if a furry (or more than one furry gets together) murders someone.. be it a person in the press or a "mundane" parent or even a friend who isn't "sympathectic/understanding" to the whole furry thing.. the day that happens my reaction won't be "Holy shit. I never thought such a thing would happen." I think it'll be more like "Holy shit. It's finally happened." Not finally in the sense of rejoicing, but in the sense of a dreaded day arriving.

What do all y'all think? Of any or all of this, I mean.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

I think this is likely to happen again and again, whether it's furries or not who do it is the big question. Problem is we are raising the next generation with no clue about how to deal with the big bad world. They can't cope so they retreat.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I think this is likely to happen again and again, whether it's furries or not who do it is the big question. Problem is we are raising the next generation with no clue about how to deal with the big bad world. They can't cope so they retreat.

As George Carlin looks at it, these clowns who snap are put here to provide oodles of entertainment for you and for me.

So far, furrydom has had one incident of a fistfight that resulted in one guy trying to take a bite out of the other (Karno Vs. Schirm), and another tale of a furry getting a roofie in their drink and waking up in an emergency room (Static), Merlino beating the crap out of former "fag hag" Jazmyn. Mix this in with the Groatesque (pun intended) penchant for collecting guns and knives and you've got a powder keg lying next to the fireplace.

OOOOOH yeah. I'm just waiting for the first furry to officially go

and the news channels will be yakking about furries for weeks!

(ironic thing: A segment about "Furries Who Snap" being shown on Fox News)

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

There's two kinds of furries who own or know their way around firearms and blades: those who know what to do with them and respect their power and those who only THINK they know what to do with them and don't have a clue as to their power, who are "butching up" to feel more powerful or important.

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him. I am also in that first camp and it is for my knowledge of weapons and fighting that I DON'T collect weapons and do not advise that anyone do so without good and wise forethought and care; you never do know who will get access to your collection and do God knows what with them.

There's a number of older SCA types who also know their way around a sword and don't play around casually with them either. A few have actual fencing training and any good teacher will start off by getting it across that they aren't toys.

The furry fandom is chock full of the second type, probably by a margin of twenty to one or better, many of whom buy katanas to pretend to be immortals out of Highlander or broadswords thinking themselves knights or adventurers. No way no how should most furries be allowed in a weapons museum much less to own even a butter knife.

Worse is the preponderance of severely fucked Columbine types who at all times feel themselves persecuted, quite irrationally, and bask in the perverted warmth of that victimhood. When they get weapons, it is time to watch your back. When they start going on about specific people, time to warn those people to warn their local police. That furrydom's more functional and less fucked members gloss over these people and the danger they represent, is sure to increase the threat.

Just another reason furry would be better off to deal with these people and help them get to the light of reality. Ignoring them or downplaying them will not change their behaviours or wrongheaded notions.

Even worse is the all too common penchant of furs to visit on each other the same types of discrimination and bullying they claim that so-called "mundania" has visited on them. Broken hearts and shattered dreams and savaged former friendships abound and surround the mucks and other forums, people play at affections with each other not having a clue of the true price of those things, and bad blood builds.

I've warned people for years that adding those together is a very bad idea and sooner or later, something will go awry at a con.

If the hotel staff had any security mindedness whatsoever, they would pointedly have their own security or the local police there to force anyone who brings any weapons to have them locked in the hotel safe for the duration of the convention and not return them until check-out. If they did I've a feeling a good number of furs would be found to have those knives and swords while being under eighteen and have them permanently confiscated.

Instead they talk of "peace bonding" (WTF is that supposed to be, tape around the hilt and scabbard?). There's absolutely no way anyone should be carrying a sword around strapped to their back or their backpack at the hotel ever. Not even as part of a fursuit and costume presentation. It's too fucking dangerous in that crowd.

People will and have said such fears are unfounded. But even the weakest little cowardly creatures will build their dark emotions up and sooner or later snap, striking when they feel the time is perfect. Furry is just waiting to have a major problem of this sort. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a CSI style lovers' quarrel and death yet. Wars have been fought over less.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him.

It's not the guns I'm offended by. It's Groat's untrustworthiness and hatred towards people he thinks he can pick on (like people on welfare) that are so repulsive about him.

I am also in that first camp and it is for my knowledge of weapons and fighting that I DON'T collect weapons and do not advise that anyone do so without good and wise forethought and care; you never do know who will get access to your collection and do God knows what with them.

A REAL gun enthusiast is one who collects them as a way of respect for some interesting engineering, with perhaps a touch of self-defense on the side.

However, getting back to the Groat crowd, I've seen them going out to the gun ranges in Arizona wearing Nazi regallia and acting like a pack of soccer hooligans. I've got a video of this sort of idiocy in action, which even includes a brief bit of footage of "mundanes" (who were also out there to do some target shooting of their own) staying FAR away from these clowns. Sort of the same reaction you might get out of the S.C.A. types at a RenFaire when a bunch of GOReans come barging in.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him.

It's not the guns I'm offended by. It's Groat's untrustworthiness and hatred towards people he thinks he can pick on (like people on welfare) that are so repulsive about him.

Oh I'm not saying it was, just stating I don't believe he's remotely one of the dangerous ones.

I am also in that first camp and it is for my knowledge of weapons and fighting that I DON'T collect weapons and do not advise that anyone do so without good and wise forethought and care; you never do know who will get access to your collection and do God knows what with them.

A REAL gun enthusiast is one who collects them as a way of respect for some interesting engineering, with perhaps a touch of self-defense on the side.

True. There's a fair number of them around here and you can generally tell the difference between them and the nuts by their demeanor and actions. Nuts will pick up every so-called assault rifle and work the action dry and point them around the store. The truly sedate collectors tend to spend a lot of time whistfully going over the rifle piece by piece and commenting sometimes with references to predecessors in that design lineage and historical events.

However, getting back to the Groat crowd, I've seen them going out to the gun ranges in Arizona wearing Nazi regallia and acting like a pack of soccer hooligans. I've got a video of this sort of idiocy in action, which even includes a brief bit of footage of "mundanes" (who were also out there to do some target shooting of their own) staying FAR away from these clowns. Sort of the same reaction you might get out of the S.C.A. types at a RenFaire when a bunch of GOReans come barging in.

There's some of them to be sure. I don't know WTF is up with the Nazi crap other than their own brand of "fuck normality" but generally not too badly behaved. More like overgrown teens now able to own real guns going out to blow up things for amusement.

Now, my brother and I used to keep a one inch spread on a fast draw with Daisy BB pistols when were thirteen. We blew up a fair number of apples, bottles, almost empty gas cans, that sort of thing. But we'd grown out of that by fourteen and gone on with other things. The ones who freak me out aren't the ones who've plain never grown up, but relentlessly obsess over it like those potheads who have to keep inventing new and ever more ingenious bongs or programmers who feel a need to write "Hello world" ninety freaking ways. Only with guns and explosions.

Well, at least they don't have nukes on hand...

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

God, I love weapons, there's something almost seductive in their beauty....I probably sound weird but I've always been fascinated by weapons, people don't expect it because I'm one of those girls who looks like butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.

I want a lockable cabinet for swords :)

but no kidding, I fencing lessons as a kid and my instructer wasn't that good, I never heard anything about swords aren't toys, mind you I'd figured that one out already.

I have noticed the amount of people who pick up weapons thinking that makes them stronger not realising not knowing how to use it is a big handicap, recently this psycho tried to attack me with a broken broom, before he'd even lifted it I'd already dropped into a defensive posture and figured out how to disarm him and Kill him with it/kill him with my bare hands/knock the wind out of him/knock him over, fortunately or unfortunately someone stopped him and now I get to hear about how this person 'saved my life' I don't think so. :twisted:

Weapons good, weapons in hands that are ignorant of them are bad however.... :(

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Even worse is the all too common penchant of furs to visit on each other the same types of discrimination and bullying they claim that so-called "mundania" has visited on them. Broken hearts and shattered dreams and savaged former friendships abound and surround the mucks and other forums, people play at affections with each other not having a clue of the true price of those things, and bad blood builds.

Exactly. That also reminds me of how (though it's not like I needed a big one or anything) watching Heavenly Creatures kind of gave me the swift little kick in the butt I needed.. the movie or it's message rather was kinda saying to me, "Hey.. imagination's a good thing.. don't let the jerks try to take that away from you, but at the sametime you shouldn't be so focused on your dreams/imagination that you disregard reality."

Hell.. most of my dreams seem to be involving needing some money for them to happen anyway so yeah.. my focus is now on strictly getting a job and the related. True dreamers never lose sight of their dreams. I want to fund a dream comic book/series project? I better get a job and save up the money. I want to fund an anime 2-6 episode OVA or even a 26+ episode series? I better freakin' get myself a job and be damn responsible for my money.

Of course, their's also the whole thing about not losing sight of the fact that I need to provide myself with things like food, clothing, bodily care products (soap, shampoo, conditioner), and whatever else is important. Hey, if some of my dreams I'll never be able to afford to do.. hey that's okay.. it just probably means I never truely wanted the dream come true. Now the exception to this rule is COMPLETELY far fetched stuff (i.e. making a real life anthropomorphic animal.. come on.) but those who truely believe in a dream will see that dream come true 'cos they'll work and strive hard to make that dream come reality. I don't believe in a world of fairies or whatever granting wishes, but I also don't believe in a world of COMPLETE impossiblities. You say funding a good/high quality anime could end up being freaking expensive and it'll never happen? I say.. if I truely want it to happen, I'll work my ass off.. with more than one job if I have to.

Sorry for the motivational crap. I admit when I post things like these it's also a reminder to myself in some instances. Heh.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

My attitude about it is that things are only impossible until they arn't.

Basically, I think that almost anything is possible. Now, some things may not be realised for hundreds or even thousands of years, heck even millions but I think that one way or another any dream can come true.

But, I also realise that despite how fun fantasy can be, we still live in the real world. Pretending I'm a two meter tall snow leopard man having a snowball fight might be fun but in the end and most importantly, in reality, I'm a human that needs to get a job so I can pay the bills that put a roof over my head, food on the table and pay for other neccessities.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

but no kidding, I fencing lessons as a kid and my instructer wasn't that good, I never heard anything about swords aren't toys, mind you I'd figured that one out already.

I want fencing lessons. :(

Ever since middle school I've wanted to learn how to fence (for the very childish reason of being able to say that I can swordfight, though). But it still interests me, and I'd love to learn. But since fencing instructors aren't very numerous in south fucking florida, I instead learned how to shoot.

I'm a pretty good shot, probably because I grew up with a family of hunters. 8)

MagKnightX · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 137

I collect guns not for the engineering or for defense. I collect them because they're freakin' fun to shoot. Heck, this christmas/birthday I'm getting a shotgun and a Garand. Still want fencing lessons, too, though...

Anyone who has had any kind of good training in firearms knows the four rules and ALWAYS follows them. That's what bugs me about a lot of shooters, especially at gun shows. Of course, with the crowds, it is hard to ensure that every gun is pointing away from everybody, but some of them just point them straight out into the aisles, and I have huge issues with that... Anyhoo, I'm rambling. Don't get me started about firearms. Huge issue with me. I've even managed to scare some people by identifying a really obscure gun on sight. Sorry, rambling, stopping now...

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

True story. Not bragging. Hardly.

I was in a local bar a couple of years ago with the room mate, wife, and a friend. One of the regulars came over to hit on the room mate who turned him down kindly as she was already involved with someone else.

My wife asked him to move off when he didn't take no for an answer and she's perfectly capable of folding him into his back pocket so I keep my mouth shut and sit back.

He quite naturally turns to me, the male at the table(my friend was elsewhere at the moment), and starts in with me about having two women to myself. It wasn't like that but he wasn't getting the point at all.

I stood and faced him maybe six inches from him, and he kept blabbering on threateningly as I remained more or less soft spoken and gentle or so I thought. In the background the bartender suddenly got a horrified look on her face and went over to the drunk's table and spoke hurriedly with his friends who then came over to get him.

He was dragged away reluctantly and after a few minutes the bartended came over and said, "thanks for not messing up the new carpets."

I in surprise replied, "how did you know?"

"When you've been a bartender this long you know which one is going to be the last man standing and besides, I've got a good ear for low pitches and I could hear you growling from across the room. People like you tend to get blood everywhere."

:oops: Man did I blush.

But she was right and I take no pride in that. Most every time, I talk my way out of situations where I could easily have made an awful mess of the other guy. I've got a permanent Willy Wonka low-key "no, stop, don't..." with eye roll and deep sigh of resignation. I practice a constant search for the ultimate suspension between total indifference and complete apathy and am frequently so laid back I fall over. This is precisely because I know the cost of conflicts.

Learning of weapons for the technical or artistic aspects is one thing. Much of the furry fandom does it to "butch up" and feel more powerful and macho because they don't truly see any worth in themselves. Tragically they CHOSE not to believe in themselves, wrote themselves off, and became losers by default. Self fulfilling prophecy. Even worse, so many encourage them to do it. Sooner or later...

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

So far, furrydom has had one incident of a fistfight that resulted in one guy trying to take a bite out of the other (Karno Vs. Schirm)

Schirm started it! :x

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

There's two kinds of furries who own or know their way around firearms and blades: those who know what to do with them and respect their power and those who only THINK they know what to do with them and don't have a clue as to their power, who are "butching up" to feel more powerful or important.

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him.

Except around TV sets. :roll:

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

True story. Not bragging. Hardly.

"When you've been a bartender this long you know which one is going to be the last man standing and besides, I've got a good ear for low pitches and I could hear you growling from across the room. People like you tend to get blood everywhere."

While we’re recounting adolescent tales of our physical prowess, did I ever tell you all that I beat up twenty SAS soldiers using nothing more than my eyelids?

I also once killed thirty-four SEALs using a club.
I then made a kind of fur stole from their hair,
Which I sold in paris for about €450.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

However, getting back to the Groat crowd, I've seen them going out to the gun ranges in Arizona wearing Nazi regallia and acting like a pack of soccer hooligans. I've got a video of this sort of idiocy in action, which even includes a brief bit of footage of "mundanes" (who were also out there to do some target shooting of their own) staying FAR away from these clowns. Sort of the same reaction you might get out of the S.C.A. types at a RenFaire when a bunch of GOReans come barging in.

If I buy a gun or a sword, I magically have a bigger penis.
It’s that easy.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

True story. Not bragging. Hardly.

AND THEN ALL THESE FURRIES CAME AT ME BUT I MANAGED TO BEAT 'EM OFF

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Amazing, how on earth did everyone at that newsgroup manage to fit behind one pc? Or did you just take it in turns to look up each letter :P

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

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Did you read ANYTHING I said? "I take no pride..."

This isn't something ANY man in my family takes pride in. My father's hand to hand combat it Viet Nam is something he NEVER speaks of directly. My grandfather's kills in WWII are things he NEVER speaks of except in general terms. NO ONE in my family EVER takes ANY pride in violence and it usually results in heavy drinking.

If you think I'm bragging, you don't know dick about being the last one standing or the emotional cost of it. Why the fuck do you think I counsel people to STOP spreading ill will and backstabbing and such around? Why do you think I've tried to teach what furries I could to STOP being cowards in the face of their own fears and own up to their own drawbacks and overcome them and behave like the other SIX BILLION inhabitants of Earth do more or less each day?

As good an historian you think yourself to be, you must know how many wars have been fought over less emotional hurts than furries visit on each other each day. Then they go on dreaming they're six foor tall animals with claws and carrying swords and whatnot, thinking, "if only I could kick ass like that..."

Never understanding there's no wonderful feeling of power in beating someone down. Just regret. Nothing more. Just regret.

Trust furries to miss that important fact.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

True story. Not bragging. Hardly.

AND THEN ALL THESE FURRIES CAME AT ME BUT I MANAGED TO BEAT 'EM OFF

You want more truth? Before, during, and after my wedding at AAC98, NOT ONE PERSON OF ANY KIND REGISTERED ANY GRIEVANCE REGARDING MY WEDDING.

After the entire convention was over, I recieved over fifty death threats from furries and well over two hundred threats of violence should I EVER show at a convention EVER again.

When I went to AC2K1, I prominently displayed my badge with my name and wandered about in front of people whose badge names I recognized. No less than ten stared directly at me eye to eye, blanched, and walked away quickly with a look of fear on their faces.

NO ONE had the remotest, slightest, merest bit of courage to be violent to me, or even say "boo!" in my direction.

Does this mean they will not someday be violent? No. Crimes of passion are the number one kind in the world and furries are balls of overconcerned self-centered twisted emotions. Sooner or later someone will fuck over the wrong person and someone will snap.

But until that day comes, they will keep making threats on each other, anyone who falls out of favor. And they will keep slandering each other from afar. If I was as tending to take everything personal as so many furries do and as incapable of letting anything go as so many, with my background, those who met me face to face would have left the con feet first instead of walked away with me trailing off, "did you want me to buy you a drink up at the bar...?"

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Well part of the problem isn't furries per say, it society in general.

We live in a society where phyciall prowess is obseesed over.

Just look at how well football players are treated in the USA, I mean these guys are practically worshiped. I mean, it seems like people are going to College for the football as much as they go for the education. What does that say about a society?

And then there is the obsession over guns. I mean fathers take their eight year old sons hunting, I mean they let an eight year old handle a loaded gun and use it to kill. This leads to the "your not a man until you've killed a deer' thing.

I have never handed a real gun in my life, let alone fired one. And I have no intention or desire to change that.

The reason furries are getting like this is because of the way society is going. We are becomming a society of barbarians where guns are considered cool and solving problems with violence is so bloddy comon that it's no wonder people have trouble comming up with other solutions!

In many ways, the status the furry fandom is a direct reflection of the status of society.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

In many ways, the status the furry fandom is a direct reflection of the status of society.

Through a funhouse mirror, maybe.

Society doesn't spend a lot of time engaged in idiot fetishes and fantastic delusions and abysmally ignorant notions of itself to the point that furries do. For society, its imperfections come in smaller portions and more manageable instances. Furries try to defend themselves and avoid taking the plunge into self-responsibility and change by playing on society's imperfections. "Well, they're not innocent either..."

No, I'm sure a lot of the guards in your local prison have cheated on their wives. Doesn't make the inmates any less guilty.

People in shitholes on the opposite side of the planet with far less to live for than any furry manage to fall in love, hold a relationship, work every day, and a lot of other things furries in large numbers can't even begin to do. By doing so they show themselves to be far smarter than the furries who make fun of "those mundanes".

Not flaming you Rusty, but I will never again accept the argument that furrydom is a reflection of society. I USED to think that a long time ago. I've come to realize that they aren't.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

True story. Not bragging. Hardly.

AND THEN ALL THESE FURRIES CAME AT ME BUT I MANAGED TO BEAT 'EM OFF

You want more truth? Before, during, and after my wedding at AAC98, NOT ONE PERSON OF ANY KIND REGISTERED ANY GRIEVANCE REGARDING MY WEDDING.

After the entire convention was over, I recieved over fifty death threats from furries and well over two hundred threats of violence should I EVER show at a convention EVER again.

When I went to AC2K1, I prominently displayed my badge with my name and wandered about in front of people whose badge names I recognized. No less than ten stared directly at me eye to eye, blanched, and walked away quickly with a look of fear on their faces.

NO ONE had the remotest, slightest, merest bit of courage to be violent to me, or even say "boo!" in my direction.

Does this mean they will not someday be violent? No. Crimes of passion are the number one kind in the world and furries are balls of overconcerned self-centered twisted emotions. Sooner or later someone will fuck over the wrong person and someone will snap.

But until that day comes, they will keep making threats on each other, anyone who falls out of favor. And they will keep slandering each other from afar. If I was as tending to take everything personal as so many furries do and as incapable of letting anything go as so many, with my background, those who met me face to face would have left the con feet first instead of walked away with me trailing off, "did you want me to buy you a drink up at the bar...?"

If I ever decide to go to a Comic-Con, can I hire you as a bodyguard? :)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Society doesn't spend a lot of time engaged in idiot fetishes and fantastic delusions and abysmally ignorant notions of itself to the point that furries do. For society, its imperfections come in smaller portions and more manageable instances.

Is that right? U see, im sure that, leaving the crappy punk or "revolutionary" point of view aside, we all agree that society itself is pretty much fucked up in one way or another, even though we're at the safety of our homes and living a life of ease ( If compared to many miserable people out there in the world ) we're still capable of seeing that, especially on the news n everything.
Because we're so used to see people going to work everyday, with they're vehicles blasting off whatever's left of decent oxygen, trowing away the time they could be using to cheerish with they're families or with other people and getting lousy payment for that, we think thats normal and who doesn't do the same is a bum who's not giving anything to society and must not be taken seriously. We hardly ever stop to think what a waste of our lives this rotine is becoming, and how we can do very little to change it. But that isn't strange or ignorant, because we're all used to living like that, and since we're still getting paid to do that everyday... to the hell with it.
Which leads us to wut will people do with all they're money? What do they dream of getting in they're lifetime? Thats where marketing comes in, telling people they want fancy cars, chicks with big boobs and butt, "legal drugs" like Tobacco and Alcoholl, promotions, discounts, more money, this, that, IT NEVER STOPS. Maybe we dont realize it yet, but these are all stupid fetishes and fantastic delusions as well.
U see i was watching this movie the other day, its called KOYAANISQATSI :shock: and the meaning of the title stands for "Crazy Life", its actually a famous movie directed by Francis Ford Coppola where this guy films society's day-to-day happenings. Basically he just films cars and people walkin around, BUT, in fast-motion, and its a real trip: u see all types of crazy lights, zillions of cars and people passing by, etc. But he also show peoples reaction to the camera, (and they look real harsh) and u can see they're either having a boring and sad life or they're thinking everybody is againt them. And in the end you realize that life in todays world is getting worst and worst and worst again. No shit a bunch of insane people (to say the least) start pretending they're some kind of wild animal who brings a new way to live for themselves. Thats one thing, but people are still people u see, no matter what they pretend to be, so they still need they're daily sexual fetishes so I guess thats where Furry fandom comes in. The reason Furrys ( And I mean the sick-depraved-pervs ones) are seen with bad eyes is because they dont have the resources and influence politicians and commerciants have to ease or hide the truth, so they can't help it but be seen as sick-depraved-pervert people.
So the point of all this is: Society is meant to have a paddern of behavior and goal in life and you cant argue, criticize or live a different way otherwise people will see you as insane, a communist and, nowadays, a terrorist. So nobody does. And people create Fandoms in order to gather other people with same ideas (or fetishes) to feel like they belong somewhere. Some fandoms are decent, some are not. I too, think that , what people jerk off for in furrydum doesn't have anything with society, but groups of people joining in together in order to exchange things and ideas of the subject of they're joice ( however dumb or sick it may be) since it would sound weird for the "regular" people sounds typical of society. But its true that society's own mistakes don't sound like much to anybody (u see in the news a guy got killed...and you're like... Duh). So it's not that societys imperfections are any smaller to the sick stuff people fantasize with in they're heads and then share it on WWW, it's just that we're so used to them that we dont mind.
Imagine what would happen if people no longer cared or dissaproved your average tentacle-rape material because they see it everyday :shock:

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

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mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

uhm, what the fuck guys?

mind keeping the posts one screen wide ?

no other threads are doing this to me so im guessing its not my browser

your posts usually cause it, wayd (at least on AFF they do)

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

If I ever decide to go to a Comic-Con, can I hire you as a bodyguard? :)

LOL

You know it is one of those weird duality things with furries. So full of violent thoughts yet without a serious good personal emotional wound, not full enough of their own bravado to actually try attacking. Since I don't name names and stick to attacking the generalities out of pity's sake, they don't have a lot to draw on for their anger. Many are still holding on to the AAC98 wedding interrupting their fursuit contest, fuming to this day.

I suppose it won't make any of the miscreants sleep any better to know that I still remember some of the names on those threatening e-mails and have been told of which fur it was who started the slander campaign against me after AAC98 and where he started it.

If they thought for one moment that I had your tendency to name names Mike, they'd not have been such falsely brave twits and if they knew I was as good at violence as I am and believed me as screwed up as they are... well, one fur in particular would now be shitting himself in fear of me coming after him. But I'm not like that and have more important things to do than honoring them however posthumously by pulverizing them. They ain't worth the time it would take to clean up the mess. Very few people are.

Offer your detractors a chance to talk over a bottle of Tequila and watch them sputter endlessly, waltzing around it, and avoiding taking you up on it. I've offered jobs to people who ripped me off for serious money in the past, befriended people who were certain I was going to staple them to the floor for things they'd done to me, and so on. It drives people nuts but if they have any sense, they don't look a gift horse in the mouth and learn to change their ways. Furries on the other hand... *sigh*

MagKnightX · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 137

Oh god. Stream of consciousness boy just HAD to remind me of Koyaanisqatsi (actually means "life out of balance), didn't he? Another thing you don't want to get me started on... Mustn't ramble.. my father kept me up all night (no sick comments) when he first got the video calling me downstairs to watch it. I had to pack to go to a wedding. Blarg. Mustn't ramble...

What's this about a wedding during AAC98 interrupting a fursuit contest? For that matter, what is AAC?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Offer your detractors a chance to talk over a bottle of Tequila and watch them sputter endlessly, waltzing around it, and avoiding taking you up on it. I've offered jobs to people who ripped me off for serious money in the past, befriended people who were certain I was going to staple them to the floor for things they'd done to me, and so on. It drives people nuts but if they have any sense, they don't look a gift horse in the mouth and learn to change their ways. Furries on the other hand... *sigh*

A few problems with that though:

1. That's a lot of tequila to offer all of them.

2. There are a lot of furries out there who I've never even heard of, yet have a seething hatred of my guts (must be a furry rite of passage to despise the evil Hirtes)

3. After reading about that loozur Static's recent escapade, I don't wanna drink ANYTHING around furries.

4. Most furries don't drink (not booze, anyway)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Gringos pode toma na puta que o pariu-son ces tudo, o qui ces merecem é serem estuprado e ce fala isso na minha cara ces tão morto

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Gringos pode toma na puta que o pariu-son ces tudo, o qui ces merecem é serem estuprado e ce fala isso na minha cara ces tão morto

Does that say; “Death to the round eyed foreign devils”?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Did you read ANYTHING I said? "I take no pride..."

You took enough pride in it to tell us all...

As good an historian you think yourself to be, you must know how many

I’m not a historian. :o)
I'm just a toilet cleaner and floor buffer (For this year at least),
Then I will be inter-discplinery undergraduate OMG! LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!

Also, your analysis is far to shallow, Things like ego do play a certain part in war, But the biggest drive for it, is usually materiel things, Like greed, the desire for resources like say… oil and gas or the desire for control, to extend an empire.

War is not useualy one mans decesion alone, But what the rulers of a country and their stooges, march it towards.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Gringos pode toma na puta que o pariu-son ces tudo, o qui ces merecem é serem estuprado e ce fala isso na minha cara ces tão morto

It's Portuguese... I'm not very good with it, but I think it says, "Americans can go and f*ck their bitch mothers, what they deserve is being raped and those who speak that in front of my face are dead".

Or something. Well, it's not a very constructive comment we can just leave beside. :)

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Oh god. Stream of consciousness boy just HAD to remind me of Koyaanisqatsi (actually means "life out of balance), didn't he? Another thing you don't want to get me started on... Mustn't ramble.. my father kept me up all night (no sick comments) when he first got the video calling me downstairs to watch it. I had to pack to go to a wedding. Blarg. Mustn't ramble...

Was this one of those artsy "The Gods Must Be Crazy" sort of movies I usually breeze right past? It sounds like I should count my lucky stars to have missed it.

What's this about a wedding during AAC98 interrupting a fursuit contest? For that matter, what is AAC?

Albany Anthrocon, 1998. AAC98. Second Anthrocon, second and last held in Albany, NY, first under Samuel Conway after the first one run by Aloyen.

The entire wedding thing was blown way way out of proportion though I do appreciate to this day my best man Ion Otter's gifts from Bahrain. I still have them on my desk amongst my knick-knacks.

I was still being peacemaker and had some people with AAC asked me if I wanted to be on the volunteer art staff, PeterCat as I recall. When the news of my impending wedding got out, I was asked if I wanted it performed there. I said sure, not guessing how out of hand it could get.

Long story short, it was somehow decided to move the venue from the raised platform at the disused rear of the dealer's room to the main ballroom and it was for some unknown reason timed for the MIDDLE of the costume contest. Mid summer, warm hotel, hundred plus fursuiters and costumers about, all sweating profusely or so some said. Matt Marmel (aka Major Matt Mason) officiated making references to Bob. She said "I do", I said the same, we walked out, they followed it up with Roxi Katt(sic?) and Jack Salem getting hitched(fictional characters, the former played by John Barret).

Everyone was totally gracious at the time. My wife danced around sharing champagne with anyone who cared to drink it or be shpritzed with it. We had fun.

AFTERWARDS... came the e-mails. Upshot: I wasn't seen to be a "real furry" and hence not deserving of the honor of the con wedding and if I and my "breeder bitch" wife ever showed at a con again, we'd be beaten, our vehicle vandalized and torched, and left for dead.

So there's the whole thing without attention to pointless detail.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Offer your detractors a chance to talk over a bottle of Tequila and watch them sputter endlessly, waltzing around it, and avoiding taking you up on it. I've offered jobs to people who ripped me off for serious money in the past, befriended people who were certain I was going to staple them to the floor for things they'd done to me, and so on. It drives people nuts but if they have any sense, they don't look a gift horse in the mouth and learn to change their ways. Furries on the other hand... *sigh*

A few problems with that though:

1. That's a lot of tequila to offer all of them.

Ha. Well, not all of them at once. Though if you splash it on them you can mimick Burt Reynolds and hold up a Zippo to them...

2. There are a lot of furries out there who I've never even heard of, yet have a seething hatred of my guts (must be a furry rite of passage to despise the evil Hirtes)

You're not the only one. I still hear from friends and aquaintances of "furry x" making comments on me and I don't know who the fuck that is. I seem to have quite a few enemies in the fursuiting crowd and as far as I'm concerned, that's fine with me. I hear of comments about you from people who've never jousted with you ever.

3. After reading about that loozur Static's recent escapade, I don't wanna drink ANYTHING around furries.

Might get a little inclined to take a barstool to them? Some do seem to need it. Do you get the feeling that many of the worst furs had those wishy-washy 70s parents who were DEAD SET AGAINST corporal punishment and couldn't even try to discipline their spawn?

4. Most furries don't drink (not booze, anyway)

They damn well should, but more of that "I'm smarter than all those mundanes at the bar..." crapola. Insane that those with the greatest tendency to romanticize medieval pub scenes like that in Lord of the Rings neither smoke nor drink and for that matter, can't socialize the way barflies do.

One of the greatest nights out I've had in years was a bar down the street where people I didn't know treated me like an old friend, we shared smokes and toasted each other and got toasted...

BTW, Vauen makes licensed tie-in pipes for The Lord of the Rings and for you SCA and LoTR people can be found at Vauen English Product Page. Beware of people reselling them on eBay for several times retail. I envy you Europeans who can get these in the German display packaging as originally made. :(

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Did you read ANYTHING I said? "I take no pride..."

You took enough pride in it to tell us all...

Ah, purposeful obtuseness. The first, last, and eternal intellectual refuge of defenders of furry. Fine with me. Miss the point. Romanticize violence. Dream of being a hero and an ass kicker. We whose first natural calling is doing bad nasty things will sit back, light up, and sigh heavily in your memory. Least we can do for you after you've ignored the warnings of more experienced people. "No, wait, stop, don't..."

As good an historian you think yourself to be, you must know how many

I’m not a historian.

No shit, Sherlock. But you do try to make yourself seem one, David. I told you before having command of rote knowledge doesn't make you necessarily smart, and in your case, definitely not remotely wise. It may impress the furry children over at a.f.f but doesn't make it anywhere else.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Gringos pode toma na puta que o pariu-son ces tudo, o qui ces merecem é serem estuprado e ce fala isso na minha cara ces tão morto

It's Portuguese... I'm not very good with it, but I think it says, "Americans can go and f*ck their bitch mothers, what they deserve is being raped and those who speak that in front of my face are dead".

Or something. Well, it's not a very constructive comment we can just leave beside. :)

Fuck him then. Portugal doesn't have any oil, so who cares?

(Yeah, I'm deliberately trying to get that twink pissed. :twisted: )

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I hear of comments about you from people who've never jousted with you ever.

What card am I in their deck of "Furry Haters We Want Dead"? The King of Hearts? :)

Might get a little inclined to take a barstool to them?

And there ya made me remember that old joke about "How do you fit three queers on a single barstool?" ;)

Some do seem to need it. Do you get the feeling that many of the worst furs had those wishy-washy 70s parents who were DEAD SET AGAINST corporal punishment and couldn't even try to discipline their spawn?

Actually, and I say this because Jerry C. & I had this discussion last night, we think that a lot of these furries have grown up in their parents' basements deep in safe & secure Suburbia, never spent a single day of their lives being hungry, and have a warped view of the world around them (shock and awe!). Once again the AFFholes (like Ronald McDonald impersonator Matt Harpold) are debating amongst themselves about "What is Hirtes' disability? I wanna know so I can make fun of him some more with that knowledge.", as if it was any of their phreeking business in the first place. What buttholes!

All told, I have no intention of wanting to make any peace with these snotty little cretins. They have no concept of "reconciliation" anyway. To them, the first one to try to make peace is actually the first one offering their surrender. Look at how they seem to think they "vanquished" the Burned Furs, as if they had something to do with it.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Fuck him then. Potugal doesn't have any oil, so who cares?

What the hell DOES Portugal have, anyway? Moors and boats? :roll:

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Michael Hirtes Gringo otário, crenti q sô di Portugal. Ah é, só podia se gringo burro, sem-mãe, q naum aceita quando tiram onda dele e fica choramingando. ce baixa aq nois arrebenta ocê, gringo playboy. FUCK A.L.C.A. n fuck u :twisted:

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Michael Hirtes Gringo otário, crenti q sô di Portugal. Ah é, só podia se gringo burro, sem-mãe, q naum aceita quando tiram onda dele e fica choramingando. ce baixa aq nois arrebenta ocê, gringo playboy. FUCK A.L.C.A. n fuck u :twisted:

And a quickie entry into the babelfish translator reads:

"Michael Foreign Hirtes fool, crenti q sô di Portugal. Ah it is, alone could if foreign donkey, without-mother, accepted q naum when they take off wave of it and is choramingando. ce low aq nois arrebenta ocê, foreigner playboy. FUCK A.L.C.A. n fuck u"

Okay, so it means utter crap in English as well.

Still, Portugese ought not to snot off to people who have THE FREEKIN' BOMB!!

Buh-bye, "Guest". Buh-bye.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Brazilian people also speak Portuguese. :>

Michael Hirtes Gringo otário, crenti q sô di Portugal. Ah é, só podia se gringo burro, sem-mãe, q naum aceita quando tiram onda dele e fica choramingando. ce baixa aq nois arrebenta ocê, gringo playboy. FUCK A.L.C.A. n fuck u

Michael Hirtes, you American seal, you believe I'm from Portugal. Well, that could only be you, you donkey, you mother-less, you don't even get where they're shooting you from and just keep whining. Come down with us so we can make you blast, you playboy American, etc etc.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

os cara crenti qui sabe traduzi portugues direito...tsc tsc tsc
:evil:

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Tradução di bosta :twisted:

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

I hear of comments about you from people who've never jousted with you ever.

What card am I in their deck of "Furry Haters We Want Dead"? The King of Hearts? :)

Hmmmm... that's a cool idea.... releasing a deck of cards with the worst, most monstruous fursuits you can find on the web.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Brazilian people also speak Portuguese. :>

The point is that it sounds more like bollocks no matter what language it's in.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

There's two kinds of furries who own or know their way around firearms and blades: those who know what to do with them and respect their power and those who only THINK they know what to do with them and don't have a clue as to their power, who are "butching up" to feel more powerful or important.

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him.

I don't know about Groat. He did manage to blow away his own television with a pistol he assumed was unloaded while showing off same pistol to friends. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence removes the clip and works the slide to make sure a pistol is unloaded before passing it around.

Before anybody says 'No, Groat didn't shoot his own television', yes he did. The first one at least. The second Groat television was blown away by a friend goofing around with yet another pistol passed around by a third friend.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

There's two kinds of furries who own or know their way around firearms and blades: those who know what to do with them and respect their power and those who only THINK they know what to do with them and don't have a clue as to their power, who are "butching up" to feel more powerful or important.

Groat is definitely in the first camp even if Mike has a problem or two with him.

I don't know about Groat. He did manage to blow away his own television with a pistol he assumed was unloaded while showing off same pistol to friends. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence removes the clip and works the slide to make sure a pistol is unloaded before passing it around.

Before anybody says 'No, Groat didn't shoot his own television', yes he did. The first one at least. The second Groat television was blown away by a friend goofing around with yet another pistol passed around by a third friend.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Two TV's shot in the same house?!?!

that REALLY seems like the type of thing that only happens ONCE...not twice

especially when you consider a TV is a small target in relation to a wall, or the floor or the ceiling

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Two TV's shot in the same house?!?!

that REALLY seems like the type of thing that only happens ONCE...not twice

especially when you consider a TV is a small target in relation to a wall, or the floor or the ceiling

You would think that after the first one, Groat would have instituted a "do not point gun at TV and pull trigger" rule. Amazingly, both televisions were whacked in almost identical fashion by different people (Groat and friend).