Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

They love Ian, their son, but not Sarah Skunkie, Ian's "furry personna".

http://www.livejournal.com/users/sarahskunkie/225819.html?nc=16

Ian "would try to calm them (his parents), but it would mean sacrificing his furriness."

Anyway, his post got an acceptable number of replies so far. Some of them are very clarifying.

"You should never sacrifice yourself (or even part of yourself) just to please others"

"Your parents are a total waste of human flesh, apposable thumbs and sentient though. "

"There shouldn't ever be a point where parents kick you out of their home, with the possible exception of serious criminal activities or a big harddrug addiction." (!)

Oh, well, world keeps rolling.

MagKnightX · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 137

For god's sake, he's (obviously, or they couldn't kick him out) an adult male, and he pretends to be a scantily-clad skunk girl! Can't he keep his deviancy in check for long enough for them to reconsider?

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

So let me get this straight, his parents decide enough is enough and kick their ungrateful offspring out into TEH BIG BAD WURLD, and suddenly that makes them evil, discriminatory, hateful bigots who are unworthy of existence? In any case, he recently graduated according to the rest of his journal, which seems to suggest that moving out and doing something interesting with your life would be the next logical step.

I would try to calm them, but it would mean sacrificing my furriness. And frankly, I'm not about to give up my mental sanctuary. Besides, I've gradually come to loathe my mother's constant dissatisfaction in my online activities.

Hmm. I wonder how she could possibly be dissatisfied with having to feed and shelter someone who doesn't appreciate it? The way he describes the internet as his "sanctuary" speaks for itself.

Khroan · Qualificator Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 37

Seeing things like this make me just want to strangle someone at times. So, some grown man who pretends to be a female skunk is being kicked out of his house (how surprising) for being a furry. And then comes a big flood of *hugs* and *yiffs* just like every other time they beg for attention.

I also found it funny that one of the commentors blamed it on religion. When will furries ever take responsibility for themselves and their own feelings?

Zepper · Qualificator Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 22

Long time lurker, first time poster :-) I really like the articles on CYD and find the discussion board interesting and much more civil than Usenet.

I know Ian in RL and see him every couple of months or so. He's a very gregarious fellow, with a sharp wit and love for movies. Very talented geek too. I also know that what he sounds like in his journal is not the way he sounds like in RL.

I remember when I first met him and he told me about his LJ, I was surprised - there seemed to be quite a difference between the two. The LJ Ian seemed a little more arrogant and not as thoughtful, more whiney, even. OTOH, it's hard to take stock of something that was written while angry and upset. I don't believe he would actually turn his back forever on his family.

I think the problem is the same problem I had with my own mother - she was insanely jealous of the computer. When I moved out of the house at the age of 21, she said "the internet people made me do it". At this time, I wasn't corresponding with any furries, just general IRC and ICQ chatting. And I was spending a lot of time on the computer - mostly programming. My mother blamed the computer for a lot of things. She felt neglected and ignored when I was on the computer. I won't ever understand why she felt so upset when I left - most parents are happy when the kids leave the nest!

Where Ian lives is pretty $$$ - a run down apartment is easily $600Cdn a month, not including any utilities or heat, so it's not like he can just up and leave and strike it out on his own. Everything is more expensive and wages don't reflect the cost of living there. Ian is employed, but his job is not enough for him to move out on his own.

As for me, I'm something of a hanger-on. I met local furs through RPG campaigns. Most are pretty good friends of mine. I like the clean art, being a fan of all things cute (Vera the Mouse, Beatrix Potter, Brian Jacques, etc.) hate the porn, personally. A lot of furry fans bother me, but I do enjoy the company of the sane ones.

I guess I always strive for understanding in all things and try not to be judgemental. I'm really disappointed at some of the replies that Ian got. I have always felt that he, unlike a lot of furries, is able to keep things seperate, but perhaps he hasn't been able to lately. It seems like a petty thing to break up a relationship with your parents over.

The "waste of flesh" comment was really horrible and unnecessary. Being the non-judgemental type, I find it amazing that folks are so quick to paint his parents with such a brush, especially as they are not able to defend themselves. Kind of, you know, treat others as you would like to be treated.

Anyhoo, FWIW...that's all I have to say. Back to lurkdom!

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

If you still live with your parents you can't complain about jack shit. YOU LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS.

...and what's with this "discrimination" crap? Furry is not a race. It is not gay, straight, or bisexual. It could be considered a religion, but isn't organized enough.

It's just a fetish, and when it's not a fetish it's just plain GOOFY.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Where Ian lives is pretty $$$ - a run down apartment is easily $600Cdn a month, not including any utilities or heat, so it's not like he can just up and leave and strike it out on his own. Everything is more expensive and wages don't reflect the cost of living there. Ian is employed, but his job is not enough for him to move out on his own.

Being Canadian and living in a part of the country where the cost of living is $$$, I can tell you that statement is very true. Our cost of living is crazy, yet our job market and wages are a ******* joke. This is why so many still live with their parents, it's because the well paying jobs needed to be able to afford the rent are so hard to come by that for many it's impossible to move out.

If you still live with your parents you can't complain about jack shit. YOU LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS.

Says who? Yes, I understand the 'you want to live under our roof, you live udner our rules!' attitude but just because someone lives at home doesen't mean they have no right to complain about anything.

I don't know the guy personally nor have I spoken with him online, as such, I don't know how far he's taken the roleplaying and his character.

IMO, when it's just something someone does once in a while to de-stress and have fun, and they know it's all fantasy and can turn it off at any time then it's okay.
I think the problems start when it gets to the point where a person's role playing it getting to the point where they are doing it in place of having a real life. It's sort of when the person ends up wishing they really were the character they portray, perhaps even taking it to the level of thinking they are and that the real world and their real life is just a distraction from it.
I understand that it may be difficult to understand this happening to a person but it's amazing how easily it can happen and how carefull you have to be with these online RP's because they can be very addicting.

Like I said, I don't know the guy so I don't know how far he's taken it. Maybe his parents are worried that he's taken it too far and is neglecting his real life in favour of this fantasy life.

And I agree that the JL entry is probably just him venting

I also feel that no one has the right to judge another human being, especially then they don't know anything about that person's life or situation.

If I were to give advice to him, it would be, take a break from Sarah Skunkie. Let her rest for a while. Try to explain to his parents why he does this and make sure they understand that he knows that this is all fantasy and he's just having a little bit of fun. Maybe take time to reflect back on what he's done with and as this character. Who knows, maybe he has been taking it too far, maybe he's been 'visiting' her too much lately. Try to spend more time with his family, and make it clear that he's at least trying to break away from the character. I'm sure that once he calms down and looks at the situation objectivly, things will get better.
As a final note, remember that you only get one family, you 'blow it' with them and that's it. Sarah Skunkie will always be there, as a fantasy character, she is ageless. It's a lot harder to patch things up with real people then it is with a fictional character. I'm sure the part of him that is Sarah will forgive him if he takes a break from her to figure out what to next.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

They love Ian, their son, but not Sarah Skunkie, Ian's "furry personna".

http://www.livejournal.com/users/sarahskunkie/225819.html?nc=16

Ian "would try to calm them (his parents), but it would mean sacrificing his furriness."

Anyway, his post got an acceptable number of replies so far. Some of them are very clarifying.

"You should never sacrifice yourself (or even part of yourself) just to please others"

"Your parents are a total waste of human flesh, apposable thumbs and sentient though. "

"There shouldn't ever be a point where parents kick you out of their home, with the possible exception of serious criminal activities or a big harddrug addiction." (!)

Oh, well, world keeps rolling.

And the AFF loons keep thinking that they are slowly winning the hearts & minds of mundania. ;)

First it's that Static loser, and now this goof is being kicked out because of furry.

Maybe these furries ought to just band together and form their OWN little households, where they all can share in their mutual furriness and not have to worry about being persecuted for it. Then THAT way, they all can live happily together under the same roof, as furries. Because we ALL know that when furries share a household together, it all works out peachy-keen, don't we?

*snicker*

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

Why are there so many sympathizers for fucked-up fucking furries here? These are people that have no sense of reality. They let their "fantasies" leak into their every day activities. If he was really the kind of closet case that only did fruity stuff once in a while then maybe it wouldn't be so bad for him, BUT HE POSTS ABOUT HIS DESIRES ON A PUBLIC JOURNAL.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Being Canadian and living in a part of the country where the cost of living is $$$, I can tell you that statement is very true. Our cost of living is crazy, yet our job market and wages are a ******* joke. This is why so many still live with their parents, it's because the well paying jobs needed to be able to afford the rent are so hard to come by that for many it's impossible to move out.

i live in buffalo, as you can see

so i vouch for that even in an area that has a relatively low cost of living (althought that gets fucked with by high taxes etc)
no good jobs , all the steels gone
all been replaced by telemarketing and collections, and other service sector jobs

Shit, most Canadians living in SE Ontario can tell you exactly what Buffalo is like

i have a friend who didnt move out of his parents house until he was 30 , theres another guy i know whos a manager at 7-11 and hes opted to just stay at his mothers and take care of things there as opposed to spending money on rent (wise decision)

if you want to go ghetto you can rent a HOUSE in the east side for $80 a month ..have fun

otherwise it takes many years to save up enough to get a down payment even on the dirtcheap houses you can find around here

and theres people making car payments on new cars AND rent .. fuck that
most people who move out move in with someone else , almost as a rule, unless they hav a really good job

(but i aint gonna lie to you guys...im also lazy as FUCK and cant even drag my ass to do things i LIKE, let alone go to work more than 20 hours a week at a job i fucking despise or go back to school and finish my 2 year degree that im on my 4th year on that im not gonna be able to get job in the field because the telecom ind. in buffalo is in the toilet right now.....and what can i say...i also likes my sleep and still get a kick out of cutting classes ...that im paying for... 8) ..err... :( .......
maybe i should just buy the chipmunk fursuit now and get it out of the way ? )

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Because we ALL know that when furries share a household together, it all works out peachy-keen, don't we?

peachy keen like 6 inches of burger king bags and ketchup packets and giant mutant flies?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Maybe these furries ought to just band together and form their OWN little households, where they all can share in their mutual furriness and not have to worry about being persecuted for it. Then THAT way, they all can live happily together under the same roof, as furries. Because we ALL know that when furries share a household together, it all works out peachy-keen, don't we?

*snicker*

I had an idea a long while back and on occasion go back to it, but I've found there's too few screwed up people to make it work. I called it the colony and figured with so many skilled technical furs with raw intelligence, a mutually supportive household could be made to work, but the problem is that it requires one or two, well, Alpha Male-types if you will to ride hard on the rest and keep them on the same page.

Furries schismatically break, split, join, rebreak, resplit, rejoin various groups, subgroups, cliques, subcliques over and over in many cases. Try to convince any number to straighten out and fly right as any loving parent would and well you get this guy's response to his parents. Blind pigheaded obstruction and obfuscation. It's like a kid sticking his fingers in his ears and closing his eyes. "No, no, no, no, I won't listen, I'm not listening, no, no, no..."

Be not even family but an unrelated friend and there's even less reason to listen to anything you say.

I agree with the point about cost of living. I lived with my mother and grandparents well past adulthood but we had a nice sized piece of property, I did what I wanted without interference, I took care of the land and heavy duty chores, all the repairs and so on short of electricians' work. Whatever my income was went to the bills. I spent not a whole lot on myself. My wife and I and her mother live together now and we all work together as a unit. We all three own the house together.

I personally think it's the way things should be: family together, multigenerational living, and all the sacrifices in personal behaviour and freedoms that come with it. If anything there should be fewer small houses and more larger houses with suites and apartments within. The savings over individual homes and all that goes with them are enormous. What could your family do with a combined income of $200,000?

With that of course goes simple common sense(simple to non-furries usually although the dipshits at Hot Topic aren't too different). Want to walk around nude? Do it in your bedroom. Want to sleep in a fursuit? Do it in your bedroom. Behave properly around everyone else in the common areas. Is it really so hard for furries to keep their stuff in their private space and leave it there and not shove their families' faces in it? "Oh, but my family should accept me the way I am..."

That is NEVER where it stops with so many furries. As I said of some of the gay and bi kids in furry, it's not enough to be simply live and let live, do what you do, pay no mind to others doing what they do. No, acceptance is defined by you embracing every little thing that they want accepted 24/7/365 and they will get in your face with it until they get noticed and hugged and celebrated for it. It's not enough to be cool with someone doing or being whatever they want. You have to EMBRACE it with your heart and soul. You have to give them verbal and emotional acceptance CONSTANTLY. You have to damn near put a tattoo of the furry pride symbol on your forehead.

Fine, you fursuit. You've chosen a sexual preference. You like spooge. Whatever. Merely not caring one way or the other is defined in furry as PREJUDICE and MUST be stamped out by parading it ever more, escalating the behaviour until even a 60s stoner full of LSD aftereffects can't stomach it. No, we can't make it look as ordinary as anything else which would make "accepting" it easier to swallow. No, we ratchet up the revulsion level and make it ever harder for the even most brainless people to take it. It's contradictory and self-defeating, but what they really want is... ATTENTION.

(Which would make up for their otherwise total lack of any self-esteem as they've pretty much given up on ever fitting in with the rest of the people on Earth and all that goes with that. Remember, they choose to see themselves as shit, behave as such, and make everyone see them that way too. Furry pathology is big on self-fulfilling prophecy.)

They say they want "caring" but the "caring" they want isn't caring. It's carelessness. If you care about someone, you say what you think of what they're doing to themselves. You plead with an alcoholic to get help. You try to keep your kids away from drugs. You make your kid do juvenile time when they get caught shoplifting for the third time and learn their lesson. You reprimand them when rude for no reason and punish them for breaking rules.

Furries want a total lack of caring. They want someone to say that EVERYTHING they do is fine and dandy, and more than that, as I said, "accept them". And by golly, they're going to do it up until you do snugglehug them for their lifestyle whatever it may be.

"I want to be accepted for who I am!" Uh... given you've decided to give up on being you and being somebody else, you want us to accept you for being someone other than who you are. If you are that at all or for any length of time. Which you do I accept? All of them? None of them? Just a few? Can I have a list? Of course, I'm going to get a list... Sexual kinks and fetishes and preferences, personal peculiarities and hobbies, manias and obsessions... Is there a simple one-shot pride symbol for EVERYTHING you're encompassing this week? Some shorthand? Can I just say "tails up" or something and ignore you after that? Anything you're not cool with that other furries do that I shouldn't embrace and can I get advance notice of you changing your mind next month so I can start practicing my "acceptance" face? Would a simple thumbs up do? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CHILDREN WANT FROM ME?!

Regarding the would-be skunkette, now, what is it this subject isn't doing that on top of the Sarah Skunkie mania is REALLY ticking off the parents? He's said to have a job, does he contribute monetarily? Does he do the chores? Do something to offset the burden however slight of his pet obsessions? Is he making "acceptance" a big thing? WTF is his major malfunction? Are his parents evil? I grew up with a neighborhood full of evil parents. Evil parents exist for teenagers to get booze from and use as an all-purpose excuse for everything they do. EMBRACE the evil parents, er, I mean, "accept" them.

:roll:

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

As a final note, remember that you only get one family, you 'blow it' with them and that's it. Sarah Skunkie will always be there, as a fantasy character, she is ageless. It's a lot harder to patch things up with real people then it is with a fictional character. I'm sure the part of him that is Sarah will forgive him if he takes a break from her to figure out what to next.

Is it just my english, or why can't I understand anything about this.

Wetting your bed as a child is, well disturbing but hardly a serious mental disability.
But doing that as an adult is.
Same goes for having imaginary friends/alter egos.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I found this interesting: a bio page, where he tells us why he roleplays the character he does:

Why is Sarah so different from me?: Interesting question. My parents also asked me this question, though in a different way. 'Why do you play a girl on the internet?' Truth is, I did at one point at time play a guy, but it was getting me nowhere. I wanted to be popular, to be able to walk into a room and be smiled at, waved at and hugged. I wanted to be appreciated for being around. As a male, online, this wasn't happening, much like it wasn't happening for me in real life. When I'd walk down the halls in school, I'd see tons of couples holding hands, hugging, kissing etc in the hallways, and it made me envious. Not once during my entire high school years was I fortunate enough to experience that.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Wait, so he only does it because he's jealous of the popular kids?

There are many ways around this problem, and most of them are considerably less fruity. Going out and socialising usually attains some degree of success.

Zepper · Qualificator Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 22

Hi Rusty, thanks for your response. I feel a bit badly for Ian because where he lives tech jobs totally suck and a lot of young people blew their one chance at post-secondary education hoping to get that Magic Tech Job that will set them for life. I don't know what kind of prospects he has in the telecommunications field there either. Where Ian lives is called Silicon Valley North. I don't know if they still call it that, but man, it's sad seeing people who used to make $54K Cdn or more a year as hardware and sys admins knocked down to doing temporary labour for about $8-10Cdn an hour because that's the only thing they can get.

I don't feel I'm really sympathizing or defending Ian a whole lot - I just know more about his personal circumstances than other people here. From understanding that, I am able to have some compassion for him. However, others are right, by posting in a public journal he is certainly making himself a large enough target.

I think he should give his character a break as someone else suggested, lest he ends up like Tom Hanks in that lame movie about D&D. There is such a thing as spending far too much time in Fantasyland, and Ian is too young to warp himself for life. I'm older than Ian and most of my other online friends, and I can't help but worry a little - I don't spend as much time online anymore - but considering how kids live on the Internet these days, I wonder if they're turning into adults who are unable to feel and ***hugs*** is about all the sympathy they're able to muster for each other.

Mitch, regarding the bio page, I have always found that odd. I know he hasn't changed it in the past few years, so it might be a leftover from high school. Among his friends, Ian is one of the most well-liked and popular of the bunch. They like him for who he is, and not Sarah. He is a joy to be around in RL, having gone to dinner with him and his friends many times. He's certainly not a downer.

Wayd, I think the sexual content of some of his chatting would bother his parents. I can't think of anything else that I know of...but perhaps there are more sides to Ian than I even know about. How well can you know anyone, really? Perhaps I'll discover one day that my husband has been wearing my clothes when I'm not home!

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Wait, so he only does it because he's jealous of the popular kids?

Sigh. Why can't they just go on a murder rampage / suicide like all the NORMAL high school rejects?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Live journals breed DRAMA OMFG! Like large shallow puddles in summer breed mosquitoes.

I know a man who had a qualification in telecommunications or something to do with that kind of thing, and He’s been working Mickey Mouse jobs for 18 months.

The government actually wants lots of people to have micky mouse jobs, since full employment with decent jobs, is a dangerous recipe for worker empowerment, since they can just say: “screw you, I shall go and get a better job”, and thus they are forced to offer better wages and conditions for all.

However, an extremely unstable labour market means that there are more micky mouse jobs, so you can keep people off the unemployment register AND since they have to spend all their time working a mickey mouse job so as to earn enough money just to get buy, They are less likely to go out and agitate against rich people or say “Who’s stealing my surplus value?”

Hoorah.

It goes in cycles, it seems. There was a flexing of the muscles of organised labour and stuff in the 70’s IIRC, and that upset the conservatives, this has lead to the state of the world today.

To be honest, I never did think though that the cycle would last so long, from 1980’s until even now, and even getting worse.

Maybe it will be better one day and there will be no more attention seeking female skunk role-playing.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Hi Rusty, thanks for your response. I feel a bit badly for Ian because where he lives tech jobs totally suck and a lot of young people blew their one chance at post-secondary education hoping to get that Magic Tech Job that will set them for life. I don't know what kind of prospects he has in the telecommunications field there either. Where Ian lives is called Silicon Valley North. I don't know if they still call it that, but man, it's sad seeing people who used to make $54K Cdn or more a year as hardware and sys admins knocked down to doing temporary labour for about $8-10Cdn an hour because that's the only thing they can get.

I understand his situation as I'm in the same boat. And yes, it is very sad. I'm honestly very worried about my future job prospects. Which is why I understand how easy it is to go into the fantasy world and pretend your something or someone else whose circumstances are very diffrent. It's very easy to get lost in these fantasies.

I can also understand his playing a female as a result of never getting attention in High School, I never got attention either. I don't think it's that he wants to be a skunkette so to speak. I think it's more like 'you know, if I had a body like that, I would have gotten so much attention that I would have had to pry the people off of me!' . For a guy, it's easy to see the girls getting all the attention simply by walking into a room. I think at the core, this is just a desire for attention.

You know, I would probably get along great with the guy in RL as it sounds like our circumstances are simular.

Wayd, I think the sexual content of some of his chatting would bother his parents. I can't think of anything else that I know of...but perhaps there are more sides to Ian than I even know about. How well can you know anyone, really? Perhaps I'll discover one day that my husband has been wearing my clothes when I'm not home!

Well, I don't know how old he is, but I'm guessing early-mid twenties. I haevn't read any of the sexual content so I can't have any real opinion on in it, however, I do have a theory. Hormones are still raging at that age and I honestly think that the sexual stuff is just that.

But, since I don't know him personally, I can't really know for sure.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

I've known Ian and his alter-ego thru the Internet for a while, and as far as I can tell, he does it just because it's fun. And yes, I agree, so far, my image of Ian is an intelligent, normal person, able to tell the difference between his furry character and himself, hence why I'm so surprised to see him in this situation.

However, after reading the message he posted on his LJ, I remember that when I was around 20 my position with my parents was pretty much the same, and wished the same things to my parents that he said. I read on his LJ post this: "... I am quite sure that when the day comes ... I will never, ever contact them, or any other member of my family again. That would absolutely torture my mother."

The motivation behind these words are exactly like what I thought when I had my early-20s crisis. But I couldn't cope with the guilt feeling such things gave to me so I fixed the situation, and the communication with my mother is fluent and nice. I do feel a little bad, though, because my father passed away in 1999, when I had so many things to share with him. It feels bad, and I don't wish Ian to repeat exactly the same mistakes I did when I was his age.

Anyway, I think the main problem Ian has is that he wishes to be understood. I also wish, and still want to be, understood, and, sometimes get upset with my family because they don't.

Fortunately for me, I didn't have the Internet on the time, with these new "cyber-tribes" and assorted self-supported groups, like furry fandom, that blur the border between reality and fantasy, and encourage people like Ian to commit mistakes they may regret later in the future.

Just take a read at the "supportive messages" his LJ message got, all what Ian's friends do is say "Awww, yer parents are so evil, you can come and cry on my shoulder, good luck when you're booted off the house". Very few of those friends offer -real- help: "here, I can find you a good job, have a few thousands so you can live while you search for something good", and the stuff. Trouble with virtual friends is that all you can get is virtual help from them... but we're REAL beings with real necessities. And, no matter if I like or not, my parents are REAL beings and can help, shelter and support me if the moment comes.

I also wonder what made Ian's parents so upset to boot him off the house. What alarmed them so much to take such a drastic decision? How come can they do that with their kid, and precisely now, in a moment where he needs the support to make the final step and start their own life? Maybe the way Ian faced furrydom wasn't as harmless as he thinks. And I agree with what some other people said about this problem: the best thing he can do, and the only suggestion I'd give him is leaving beside Sarah Skunkie for a while and trying to re-establish a somewhat normal relationship with his family before it's too late.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

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mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Mouse, did you take that from "The Illustrated Encyclopedia Of Cartoon Animals"? :)

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

Maybe these furries ought to just band together and form their OWN little households, where they all can share in their mutual furriness and not have to worry about being persecuted for it. Then THAT way, they all can live happily together under the same roof, as furries. Because we ALL know that when furries share a household together, it all works out peachy-keen, don't we?

*snicker*

Well there are a few of them around.
The most well known, and infamous. Is of course the "Skiltare House" right out there in Garbage Grove CA, I don't have to detail the place as it's reputation, or lack there of, is well known amoung the other posters here.

Later.

IceCat

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Mouse, did you take that from "The Illustrated Encyclopedia Of Cartoon Animals"? :)

No, its the cover of The Adventures of Captain Jack #5
AKA best comic cover EVER :)
I have the complete set, however the image was just yanked from a large image of a complete set that sold on Furbid, my scanner would butcher this (as whoever scanned this one it was slightly messed up too)

But I removed the cover price that appeared above Jack's right ear, and a portion of a word bubble that was in the left side of his shirt (it said "UNGH.")

I was unaware of an "Illustrated Encyclopedia of Cartoon Animals"...although i looked it up and i think ill buy that when i can find one...J.P. Morgan mentions it on his page that Taral Wayne is, or at least was, selling them

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

I had an idea a long while back and on occasion go back to it, but I've found there's too few screwed up people to make it work. I called it the colony and figured with so many skilled technical furs with raw intelligence, a mutually supportive household could be made to work, but the problem is that it requires one or two, well, Alpha Male-types if you will to ride hard on the rest and keep them on the same page.

If you just admitted to seriously considering a furry commune, then I just lost all respect for you. Please tell me that's not the case.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

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Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

That looks like some poorly compressed combination of

and :roll:.

I LIKE IT

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

:? that guy is a disgrace to those of us who do have abusive evil parents, mine threw me out at 17 for me telling her I wasn't going to be beaten anymore nor was she sending me out to work and taking all my money. Man being furry woulda been nothing compared to actually standing up to her for once, after all she didn't care what I did so long as I did what I was told. :cry:

But now I have my own place and I'm a reasonably health well adjusted individual :)

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

I've always wonedered why some furry guys act as if they're female by calling themselves a vixen or whatever. i know three infact. although they openly admit to being male, they play the role of a flirty female on message boards or on MSN. although i'm friendly enough to them, their behaviour confuses me and scares me off a little.

Howvere, this Ian guy says it openly and honestly in his LJ bio. its because girls get more loving attention. it all makes sense now. I guess it doent necessarily mean that guys who pretent to be girls on the net are transexuals/tranvestites/gay/bi after all, infact. Just a little lonely. Even attention-seeking.

I'm 19 and still with my single mum, doubt I'll be going soon unless I get married and someone supports me! I'm at college for another 4 years so theres no way I can afford it either. Same with ALL of my mates infact. its way too expensive here in England too

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Charisma, forgive me but bullcrap, I'm in england and I've been living on my own supporting myself since 18 so it can be done. I also Study and I am disabled.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

wow, how much does your place cost to pay for then, altogether? maybe theres still hope for me yet!
and did you get a student loan?

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

It's rediculously expensive :P

I have a council place of my own. plus I pay Gas electric, food, DSL, TV license, Insurance, art materials so I'd say about £200 a month all told...fortunately my rent is paid for me.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

so rent is probably about £300= to £400 at the cheapest. i say it could be done! if it was between two people. no car though.
thanks :)

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

fortunately my rent is paid for me.

But that's just the point, most people don't have their rent paid for.

Where I am for example, rent is horribly high, taxes are insane and good well paying jobs are virutally non existant.

Add that to the fact that people up here simply arn't getting decent jobs out of post secondary (and are then faced with what are in some cases terribly high student loans) and end up with their skills stagnating because their not being used.

With all of that, it's no wonder that many people are still living at home well into their twenties. For many, it's preferable to living in a tiny apparentment in poverty all alone.

As for the original topic of Ian and Sarash Skunkie. Well, think of it this way. You're someone that was told 'go into computers, it has an incedible future' all through your adolesance. So, upon finishing High School, you do just that. All through post secondary, you're told the same.

You work your ass off, studying hard for years (how many years depending on the nature of the program you take) and working your rear end off. Then the big day comes, you graduate and have the vaunted piece of paper in your hands only to find your job prospects numbering zero.

Add that to someone that felt ingored all through School. Someone that saw people kissing and hugging in the hallways, someone that saw others getting tons of attention.

That person starts RP'ing and experiments with playing as a female character, and notices that he gets far more attention as one.

It woulden't be surprsing for someone in that position to maybe even take it to the level of thinking 'you know, my life would have been so much easier if I were an attrative she. Then I would have gotten tons of affection and attention. And with a body like Sarash Skunie's, in a furry type world, if I coulden't get a job, I could always fall back on being a porn. Imagine, just spending a few hours a day posing and getting paid big $$$$ for that' (if I remember correctly the character is a porn star and has the assets of one. If I remember incorrectly then I apologise)

In all honestly it's not surprising that he created that character and I can understand where he's comming from. Personally, I think she's just a way for him to temporarily escape from reality and think 'what if?' or maybe 'well, my real life isn't going well, maybe if at least my fantasy life is great then at least I'll have that'. Or maybe I'm 100% completly off, not even close and it's something very diffrent.

But, I -do- understand where Ian is comming from.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Rusty, the reason my rent is paid, is because before my mother threw me out she beat me to the point of permanently damaging me...I'm disabled, I'd love to be normal and go to work like other people but it's not going to happen unless someone comes up with a cure for my affliction.

My point is, I was thrown out on my rear and I'm making more of my life than most, hopefully with the training I'm currently getting I might stand a chance of getting a job, I'm also learning to control my affliction. I'm making an effort, not whining about how evil my mother was for first disabling me then throwing me out in the street, everyday things I struggle with, cooking is dangerous for me. But I still do it because if I don't rely on myself who do I rely on? well there aren't that many people I can and most of them have already betrayed me.

Compared to what my mother did, what his parents are doing is nothing more than forcing someone to figure out they've got to sort themselves out for once.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Rusty, the reason my rent is paid, is because before my mother threw me out she beat me to the point of permanently damaging me...I'm disabled, I'd love to be normal and go to work like other people but it's not going to happen unless someone comes up with a cure for my affliction.

I'm sorry to hear that. I understand your frustration.

I too would love to be able to go to work like normal people but I'm in a position where no one seems interested in giving me a chance. I have an education and skills yet no one seems interested in me.

For me, it's very aggrivating to hear 'if I can do it, you can do it' from people (not refering to you or anyone else specially, just in general in life). I can't make it on my own if people won't give me a chance. I can't pay the rent unless I'm making the good money required to pay it and that requires a good job and despite being ready, willing and able to work, no one seems interested in me. Becuase of that, it's very upsetting to have people roll their eyes at me and talk down to me and say 'go out on your own! Take control of your life!" Well, it's kind of hard to when I have no money! (again, this isn't refering to you or anyone specifically, just the way people react in general to hearing I live at home)

My point is, I was thrown out on my rear and I'm making more of my life than most, hopefully with the training I'm currently getting I might stand a chance of getting a job,

Okay, point taken. It's great that you are making the most of your situation and doing what you can to triumph over adversity.

Compared to what my mother did, what his parents are doing is nothing more than forcing someone to figure out they've got to sort themselves out for once.

I understand what your saying. Your basically saying to put things into perspective. I udnerstand doing that, I've found that it can really help me when things seem bad to realise that in some ways I'm very lucky. I've also helped online friends to realise how lucky they are in many ways and it's helped them to appreitate the things they have in life.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

so rent is probably about £300= to £400 at the cheapest. i say it could be done! if it was between two people. no car though.
thanks :)

Where are you studying, out of interest? Cost of living tends to vary wildly in this country (though it does tend to get cheaper the further north you go).

In any case, the best arrangement I've found is to just find yourself a cheap house and enough people to fill it. You'll require some assistance with the initial outlay (which is, by far, the hardest bit about doing this - mortgage lenders tend frown upon such arrangements) but it can work out cheaper than renting if you pick the right place - and when you move out you get to stick the house up on the market and get a decent chunk of your cash back afterwards. Huzzah!
Just make sure you pick the right people to lodge with...

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Rusty, do what I did, take it one milestone at the time, find a cheap paying job that will lead to something better....and so on...

I started off on the streets, kipped on a friends floor for a week or two, got into a hostel, got into supported housing and just got my own flat after 3-4 years, add to that I'm putting together an art portfolio that will knock the spots of most of furry's 'artists' and everythings coming together, it's the little things that help.

Sometimes breaking it down will help :)

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Rusty, do what I did, take it one milestone at the time, find a cheap paying job that will lead to something better....and so on...

Believe me, I'm trying. Even those are hard to get arround here, but, I will keep trying. I guess it doesen't help that the job market is very slow right now and has been for well, years now. Or more so, it certainly doesen't make things any easier.

But, I do agree with you that sometimes things need to be taken one step at a time. So I'll keep trying and fighting the good fight.

Sorry if anything I said upset you.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Nothing you said offended me, I'm tougher than most, might draw anthros but I've learned to roll with most stuff rather than throw a furry snit fit, nothin really offends me nowadays :)

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

Where are you studying, out of interest? Cost of living tends to vary wildly in this country (though it does tend to get cheaper the further north you go).

I'm in norfolk, which is quite far south, so thats good i suppose!

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Where are you studying, out of interest? Cost of living tends to vary wildly in this country (though it does tend to get cheaper the further north you go).

I've actually had a few whimsical little thoughts of moving to Scotland, or at least spending a little time there.

Seems like it would be nice. Anything you can say about it?

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Seems like it would be nice. Anything you can say about it?

It's like the rest of britain, but with worse weather. Nice place, though.
Oh, and everything we cook here is designed to give you a coronary, just as a warning. Screw twinkies and golden cremes for giving yourself obesity as is the american way, we go for it full-bore with the power of MOTHERFUCKING DEEP FRIED PIZZA AND CHIPS FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING CHIPPY. With a bottle of Irn Bru on the side.

On the other hand, it's a hell of a lot colder here than in most of the states, so it does come in useful. I'm guessing that's the logic behind traditional scottish food, anyway.

(oh, and those of you unfamiliar with irn bru - you have my sympathies. It is the stuff of the gods, and not just because it is to most hangover cures what an entire fucking platoon of ninja vikings wailing on guitars is to Elton John, but because it radiated sheer awesomeness. And orangeness.)

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Fucking SOLD.

Btw how much of a chance is there of me catching a haggis thing?

jk dude lololo

Edit: Hmm, florida to northern british isles is going to be quite a change.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Edit: Hmm, florida to northern british isles is going to be quite a change.

I'm pretty sure they have old peolel too - as for the Cubans... ;)

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

Hellow again young folk,it's that horrid old man again!ya know the fursuiters could take a tip from the leather and rubber fetish folk(be descreet,don't get arrogant about your "scene"do your stuff only with people into the same gig,and NEVER IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S KIDS!!)As for myself,yeah, if I had a grand or more to blow off ,Damn right I'd probably get a Rubber Stag and Doe suit for me and the missus,and guess what?IT WOULD NEVER LEAVE OUR BEDROOM!such fantasies and passions are to be privately enjoyed,not to be trotted out on the stage of vain ego to show off!Hells bells,whatever happened to"Being responsible forone's actions and choices?They can spend 3to6 hours prepping their costumes,but never a nano-second to comprehend their actions.as to costume funds,rent,food,and my children's needs come first..but GASP!..would that be mundane?Jah bless you all here(Jerry)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

His parents are being kind of lame. Well, it's a frivolous reason to put someone out in the cold, you know? You don't even have to approve of fursuiters to think they are overreacting. Gah.

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

I have a pretty active Imagination,but even I know when to adhere to reality(yoiks!) but these guys...EERRRRRaGH!I just can't take this smeg anymore!I work when I can get it,take care of my family and pets(5 kitties,4 when one of the oldest males desides to have a spirit quest,or raid the neighbor's rubbish)Even in cartoon universes 'toons toil!( Pop eye is a deck hand,Sherlock Hound is a detective,Ren Hoek worked at a weapons plant,Etc)And these sad sacks of stuff sit on their bums and wait for everything to come to them...Eeeesh...If I had a pan-dimentional portal to the Ganarf world,I would be long gone...But I don't,so I'll just stick it out here on ol' Sol3 till Jah most high calls me home>Jah bless all here (Jerry)

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

P.S. sorry for the crappy typing and cromagnon spelling(Jerry)

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

As to the lameness of the phurry guy's parents...well Th' ol' apple don't fall too from the tree!dig you hep katz later,there's a guy needing this computor to find a job,farewell all from Atlanta public libraries!(Jerry)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

That's a little too high up on the "I am raging furre fan" scale.

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

What can I say?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

What can I say?

Not sure, but that whole fursuiting thing and the "let's pretend to be the other sex!" just doesn't go well with me...ick

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

again,what can I say?