Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Many thanks to NateNate for pointing this out.

Remember Jack?

Well, imagine a comic that tries to be serious (like Jack), partially succeeds (unlike Jack) and is all the more creepy for it and you have Better Days. It's basically the story of a boy's journey through a childhood of sexual trauma. It's partially autobiographical (with dumb embellishments) and heavy-handed to the extreme. Add in spoutings of right-wing ideology from the author, attempts at ethnic/racial allegory (OMG BLACK PEOPLE ARE HYENAS HEY IS THIS RACIST OOPS) and you've got yourself a treat.

I must admit that initially I did develop some sort of sympathy for the guy after reading through his comic. After all, there's no excuse for drawing years worth of creepy furry porn quite like having been abused as a child. At least one or more of the nasty events that have happened so far in the comic are probably modeled after something that actually happened to him, so yeah.

But alas, he had to go and make that sliver of sympathy fucking EVAPORATE:

I'm thankful for having a President capable of making tough decisions and capable of standing up to the rest of the world, when the rest of the world is wrong.

...ok, fine... whatever. HOWEVER:

I'm thankful for the ham in the fridge that will last me for days, and I'm thankful for Jesus who lets me eat the ham, while Jews cannot.

No, wait, it gets way better than that. Looksie.

I've never, ever understood why I see any right-wing views among the furries AT ALL. If you're a furry, that kind of ideological slant makes no sense whatsoever, especially seeing as how the crowd you're cuddling up to is going to think (without fail) that you are a Sexual Deviant and will forever consider you to be The Enemy based on that judgement alone.

I know that this is a weird time to explode over something like this, but it's always sat in the back of my mind, bothering me. My only working theory as of now as to why we see these two things linked is the fact that furry is far, far more infested with people who would make most liberals deathly ashamed (coughmanawolfcough) and this is the reaction to that. Did I also mention that furrydumb seems to be the fulfillment of not only every negative gay stereotype in history but a bunch of new ones?

As for the comic, what makes it noteworthy, at least for me, is that it actually might have garnered some attention had it not come from someone who has spent the last 5+ years churning out furry porn. No seriously; even the use of over-endowed talking animal people as characters could have been chalked up to representing what the world might look like to a seriously messed-up kid, etc. etc. Then again, I'm sure if say, La Blue Girl were to be changed so that everything that took place turned out to be a dream/acid trip it would be called avant garde in some circles, so who the fuck knows?

In the end, I can't make up my mind 100% if this Naylor guy is spilling his seed or his guts here. Probably both. But if you read the comic, just keep one simple realization in mind: that's his own mother he's drawing as a whore.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I've had my own encounters with Naylor. I tried to put up with his behavior when he was submitting stuff for my zines, thinking he was just another run-of-the-mill Rush Limbaugh worshipping dittomonkey, but I eventually got sick of what became more apparently his downright theofascist attitude (he believes in Christ as some asskicker who grabs sinners by the hair and tosses them into the Lake of Fire, for example) and stopped dealing with him. The guy gets off on the whole "Angel of The Lord Thy God's Wrath", flaming sword and all stuff, and yet he was drawing shemale pr0n. I'm sure he faps off to Faux News every night too.

Needless to say, he eventually became yet another "Friend of Eric Schwartz", and you know what happens after that.

Yep, Jay's got issues all right. And they're not the kind you can into mylar comic-sized bags either.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Would you prefer socialist clap-trap of the sort that David spouts at every opportunity or maybe the other varieties furries spout on every possible occasion, mostly revolving around their idea of a right to endless welfare of all sorts so they can sit on their lazy fat asses stroking over furry porn and cybersex sessions on mucks? Their ideas that they should be paid like corporate CEOs for their badly drawn crap or work down at Kinko's? Their constant anti-capitalist and anti-commerce claptrap all the while hypocritically engaging in same by doing business?

Naylor's stuff IS somewhat fucked but that's no big deal. You want fucked, try listening to furries go on endlessly with their conspiracy theories about President Bush, Bill Gates, and so forth.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Many thanks to NateNate for pointing this out.

I must admit that initially I did develop some sort of sympathy for the guy after reading through his comic

I was wondering what was up with those links. The page that was linked to struck me as just a pretty tragic event in the story. But I really dont have the time or the patience to read through whole comics right now. (Dial-up)

I'm thankful for the ham in the fridge that will last me for days, and I'm thankful for Jesus who lets me eat the ham, while Jews cannot.

Cmon, NAYLOR, WTF....hasnt ANYONE else seen the 'hole in the sheet' episode of the Upright Citizens Brigade???

I've never, ever understood why I see any right-wing views among the furries AT ALL.

I notice it a lot in the type of furries that, for example, like to hunt. They think it puts them closer in touch with thier animal sides or some horseshit. These are usually the guys who hold the 'survival of the fittest' ideal REAL close. And that typically translates right over into far-right ideologies.

I dunno if its because I personally lean left (way left..but not too far left) but usually when some right-winger tries to get political in a storyline or whatever it comes across to me congratulatory or "See? told ya so!" or just glorifying whatever character it is. This is probably blending with the christianity aspect though - they are notorious for this. Theres nothing wrong with it...until some dickhead attempts it and it comes across to everyone as preachy.

Maybe Im imagining it, who knows.
Jason Yungbluth expressed a similiar sentiment about right wing humor somewhere in his weblog when he was attacking some newer popular right wing type newspaper strip...I forget what it is right now and dont really feel like digging for it. I might have it saved if someone was interested.

But if you read the comic, just keep one simple realization in mind: that's his own mother he's drawing as a whore.

The only other thing I dont feel that this specifically is really that unusual. Fucked up situation, yeah...but I've seen it too many times.

Would you prefer socialist clap-trap of the sort that David spouts at every opportunity or maybe the other varieties furries spout on every possible occasion

....yes.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

I'm right-wing in many of my views. Naylor's ideaology is slanted and more or less racist, but not necessarily entirely dismissable by me. Naylor's just a poor champion of rightist social ideals because he's a gigantic moron and has no clue.

Regardless of what political and social ideaology furries may have, their webcomics inevitably always suck regardless.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Would you prefer socialist clap-trap of the sort that David spouts at every opportunity or maybe the other varieties furries spout on every possible occasion, mostly revolving around their idea of a right to endless welfare of all sorts so they can sit on their lazy fat asses stroking over furry porn and cybersex sessions on mucks?

You have to admit, at least that makes SENSE.

Naylor's stuff IS somewhat fucked but that's no big deal. You want fucked, try listening to furries go on endlessly with their conspiracy theories about President Bush, Bill Gates, and so forth.

That's not so much because they're liberal, it's because they're being FUCKING RETARDED.

I dunno if its because I personally lean left (way left..but not too far left) but usually when some right-winger tries to get political in a storyline or whatever it comes across to me congratulatory or "See? told ya so!" or just glorifying whatever character it is. This is probably blending with the christianity aspect though - they are notorious for this. Theres nothing wrong with it...until some dickhead attempts it and it comes across to everyone as preachy.

In Naylor's case I'm about ready to just write it all off as him expressing just one fucked-up aspect of the fucked-up way he is. I'd really appreciate knowing why he feels it's so important to go out of his way to unload his political views all over the reader, however. I can make some educated guesses, but it would've been in the best interest of the story to make that jump less sudden and give it some context.

I still wonder exactly what the hell talking animals fucking and politics have to do with one another. Perhaps it's a form of attention-whoring; for the furries doing the politicising it's a sign that they're running out of personal aspects of their personalities to trumpet to random strangers in the hopes of getting approval.

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

Right wing left wing hubba hubba ding ding.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I've never, ever understood why I see any right-wing views among the furries AT ALL. If you're a furry, that kind of ideological slant makes no sense whatsoever, especially seeing as how the crowd you're cuddling up to is going to think (without fail) that you are a Sexual Deviant and will forever consider you to be The Enemy based on that judgement alone.

The essential problem is thus: politics like what Naylor follow are based around the idea that personal weakness is responsible for poverty, Crime, <anything that the person in question does not like>

Of course, the problem with that is, in “the raw”, it comes across as very bigoted and hateful, like from that page you cite: “the native peoples were primitive stone age tribes steeped in outdated ways”

Now, who is to say what is an “outdated way”? or what makes a society “primitive” or a people “savage”? (murder? White people have murdered far more than any other race put together)

The key is to disguise your real views and make vague noises about philanthropy, and equality (though ignoring anything which actually might promote equality) and stuff like that.

If you look at Allen Clark, He is a bigoted racist (he said black people should go off to bongo bongo land IIRC) who makes money from a company, which runs a factory in Burma, an oppressive military dictatorship.

However, because he presents a polite and conciliatory face, a face that is “all things to all people”, people don’t think of him as a bigot, however, his actual actions betray that reality.

The key is in disguising your hate and bigotry, making it subordinate to your desire for advancement, Like Allen Clark, Who is an MP.

Likewise, If this guy kept his veiws under a safre wrap or was more sublte, he'd probably be more sucessful.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

If you look at Allen Clark, He is a bigoted racist (he said black people should go off to bongo bongo land IIRC) who makes money from a company, which runs a factory in Burma, an oppressive military dictatorship.

However, because he presents a polite and conciliatory face, a face that is “all things to all people”, people don’t think of him as a bigot, however, his actual actions betray that reality.

The key is in disguising your hate and bigotry, making it subordinate to your desire for advancement, Like Allen Clark, Who is an MP.

Likewise, If this guy kept his veiws under a safre wrap or was more sublte, he'd probably be more sucessful.

If you mean Alan Clark, the Tory, he died in 1999. But anyhow, how can you possibly blame him for his views and attitudes, when it is obviously all the fault of the patriarchal imperialist society he grew up in? Or is society to blame only when it suits you?

Fins · Qualificator Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 25

(murder? White people have murdered far more than any other race put together)

Can you please cite your references for this?

As far as I can tell, murderous people (and perhaps tribes/kingdoms/et al. with murderous leaders) have murdered more than non-murderous people... ... I fail to see what race has to do with it.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

In Naylor's case I'm about ready to just write it all off as him expressing just one fucked-up aspect of the fucked-up way he is. I'd really appreciate knowing why he feels it's so important to go out of his way to unload his political views all over the reader, however. I can make some educated guesses, but it would've been in the best interest of the story to make that jump less sudden and give it some context.

Well, after 9/11/01 A LOT of hawks (and chicken-hawks for that matter) came out of the closet. And the ones that were already out ratcheted up the rhetoric.
Typically this type of shit sticks out pretty bad if you just dump it in a story which is exactly what he did. (Im saying this having read 3 pages of the thing)

You could try comparing to Ozy & Millie , DC Simpson does it sometimes, but he is usually so chill I don't see why people bother getting upset. It hard for me to be objective about it because someone like DC Simpson - I agree with his politics , Naylor I do not - so maybe when Naylor does it - it appears worse ...not sure. I think Simpson tries to make it more subtle most of the time or just leave it out entirely. (He also has commented about politics in his strip several times so ...)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I notice it a lot in the type of furries that, for example, like to hunt. They think it puts them closer in touch with thier animal sides or some horseshit. These are usually the guys who hold the 'survival of the fittest' ideal REAL close. And that typically translates right over into far-right ideologies.

I don't see that at all. What I see is people who take an interest in gun ownership or hunting and are now part of a group that the leftists collectively tar and feather without foundation as one step from the Klan.

They need to have a talk with Aaron Zelman of the JPFO or any black man who collects guns or hunts to see that it ain't so. Being a hunter or gun owner don't make you a racist or anti-semite. (If it did, what would that have made the Black Panthers?)

But what does disgust me is the reactionary move right over to becoming that in a self-fulfilling prophecy sort of way. I left the survivalist world precisely because of the paranoid conspiracy nuts who grew on everything like a cancer, who spouted inane bigoted claptrap and got away with it despite the vast bulk of the conservative survivalists being very much ANTI-racism and so forth. Personally, I despise the Klan and all other such assholes and think they should be hunted and fed to dogs for dinner before we allow another deer to be hunted. We have a surplus of such dicks.

(Do I need to do the whole "I have black friends" thing here? Wife and mother-in-law are Jewish, we've agreed to raise our children both Jewish and Christian, I'm bi as is my wife and her birth mother is a lesbian, half my friends are gay or bi, numbers of them are Jewish or black... Like I'm going to be bigoted against the pet groups of the left wing just because I believe in gun ownership. Oh yeah, I'm also part American Indian. Some idiot called my cell phone number in error and when I told him he had a wrong number he replied that I was a white prick(how he can tell from my voice is anyone's guess). That's Euro-Amerindian prick. You'd think people could get their ethnic slurs semi-correct.)

Sort of the way so many furries who aren't fanboy freaks disavow the freakery but won't bring themselves to openly criticize it either. Dante had a place for people who wouldn't take sides between good and evil. Fucking your dog is WRONG. Painting furry/anthropomorphics as being all about fucking your dog tars others with the wrongness. How is this so hard to grasp?

Would you prefer socialist clap-trap of the sort that David spouts at every opportunity or maybe the other varieties furries spout on every possible occasion

....yes.

Well, when you come up with the money to throw on every leftist piece of welfare state horseshit, you can personally fund it and be the sugardaddy of idiot largesse for all of furry if you like. There's a difference between being disabled or whatnot and needing a safety net and being a lazy dolt who won't work. The number of furries who can't hold a job doing the simplest work is insane. Some have been on the Internet since it was DARPANet and STILL haven't bothered to master HTML when they could have done so YEARS ago and made a living at it while sitting on their asses.

(I work in broadband daily on total autopilot, i.e. I don't do much thinking about any of my work, and I have an error rate of less than 0.01%. It's "monkey flips the switch" work to me half the time(technical stuff is there but only 1% of my work) and pays real well(equivalent to $37.50/hour this past week). All it takes is getting up in the morning and doing it. Furries bitch, whine, and moan endlessly about commerce, capitalism, working, business, so on, but what it comes down to is abject laziness.)

(Silly little self-indulgent rant here...)

Here's an example of lack of perspective. Many many furries are big time Tolkein freaks. Lovers of all his work. But they don't ever seem to have read it through to judge by their anti-Iraq War stance. Go and check it out.

The Valar allowed one of their own, Melkor, to raise unholy Hell in Middle Earth, causing them to leave for Valinor, returning to make war on him and capture him only after they'd already sat back on their asses for a while. Then they released him(WTF were they thinking?!) and he went and screwed them, returned to Middle Earth, and started his shit all over again.

It was only after the ultimately futile wars of the Noldor against Melkor(who was now called Morgoth) and huge loss of life and spread of his evil that the Valar bothered to go after him again and this time imprison him permanently(like Sauron wouldn't have been angling towards releasing his master after conquering Middle Earth; another good reason to stomp his ass at first chance).

Of course the War of Wrath ended up destroying all of Beleriand in the process. Sort of like taking out Hussein with the entire US nuclear arsenal which the US didn't. "Surgical" was obviously a foreign concept and "victory through maximum overkill" the rule of the day in this world.

But they left the job half-finished and let his flunky Sauron escape and continue to spread evil and nastiness. Sauron being a lesser Valar, a Maia, it was of course their responsibility to do something but they didn't and left thousands of years of suffering and loss of life of men and elves and dwarves to come as he went on to do the whole ring thing.

For that matter you'd think Saruman's arrogant nasty streak towards Radagast would have kept him from being sent to Middle Earth(yeah, let's put the arrogant egotistical prick in charge of the Istari, there's a great idea...) as well so there's that added incompetence and negligence of the high and mighty Valar.

Of course, the elves failed to dispatch Sauron permanently as well and even just before the Quest of Erebor(The Hobbit thing) they expelled him from Dol Goldur but let him get away. Heck, they let him get away REPEATEDLY over THOUSANDS of years. Never mind letting the Nazgul retake Dol Goldur almost immediately thereafter. They couldn't even beat the Lord of the Nazgul, so how do they think they're going to beat his boss? This would have been like the allies being totally impotent before Mussolini but still thinking they could somehow whomp ass on Hitler.

The Men weren't innocent either and Ar-Pharazon who led a mighty army all the way from the isle of Numenor and cowed Sauron by force of overwhelming superior numbers and could have finished the twit right right then, took him back to Numenor where he engineered the ill-fated attempt at defying the Ban of Men by getting the idiot king to sail on Valinor itself causing the Valar to sink Numenor altogether. They let Sauron live through that but MERCILESSLY KILLED almost THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF NUMENOR. It would be like spanking Saddam during the Gulf War by nuking every inch of Kuwait. Which we didn't do.

All of that death and misery because of a lack of willpower to do anything beyond their narrow selfish personal concerns("it's not our responsibility..." as the left likes to say... the heck it ain't...) and so evil kept on going over and over again until a little freaking hobbit saves the whole day at the very end. And then everyone else took credit from the men to the elves.

Sort of the way the tyrants of the world keep getting black eyes when it suits the west but otherwise keep on doing whatever they want to whoever they please until the last minute and the world is on the brink of disaster. The entire saga of Middle Earth from the start to the fourth age is one of people not taking action when they could have and stopped much misery and bloodshed from ever happening. Incompetence and negligence. The kind we get from the anti-Bush pro-UN crowd. If they were in charge in WWII, Hitler's successors would now be in charge of most of the planet and we'd be trying to stage a far comeback win only to have them take credit for it all if we did manage to somehow do it.

News flash: no one comes back from losing every straight game to win the World Series that same season and this is far more important stuff. As I once had in my signature, "The right things done for the wrong reasons and the wrong things done for the right reasons do not make up for not doing the right thing for the right reason in the first place."

Or perhaps we should have waited until Saddam did manage to get WMDs and sold them to Al Queda or used them on Kuwait and Iran and got WWIII started. Odd how people who are so enthused over the Lord of the Rings can miss that whole lesson. Not surprising Tolkein wrote it that way in the light of his WWI experience and seeing the oncoming Hell that Hitler was bringing. The Wise. League of Nations. Council of Elrond, current day United Nations. Great sounding things that keep missing their duty and letting evil spread. (another great exmple there, that Elrond. He could have killed Isildur discretely and tossed him and the ring into Orodruin and ended it all right there but nooooo... And then he wants all the elves to hightail it to Valinor and leave Men and Dwarves to their fates. As leading representative of the Valar's favoured "first-born" it would behoove him to be a little braver and show a little more leadership...)

I lump the enabler furries right in there. You had people like Merlino who Mike Hirtes could probably write a whole book about, and you had the muddlebrained dips who buzzed about him like those flies and by deflection of criticism and willful obfuscation enabled it to continue and grow into the dank nasty mess that furry has become.

If pre-emptive actions to save civilization from its would-be destoryers are wrong, then Crush Yiff Destroy should close down right now and let furry go on its merry way to Hell and we should all just sing coombayah and hold hands with the dipshits as they drag us all down with them.

Just an example.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

That whole post with the Tolkein stuff was mine...
(Weird... now MY machine is logging me out of every site before I do... WTF?)

Hey Mitch, any way you can change the post ID on that one for me and put it in my name?

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

I think David should have his own thread for him and whoever happens to be having it out with him stickied so they can argue there, and the fucking socialism arguments will stop shitting up all of our other threads.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

I think David should have his own thread for him and whoever happens to be having it out with him stickied so they can argue there, and the fucking socialism arguments will stop shitting up all of our other threads.

Petition SIGNED.

Seriously guys, shut up already.

Natenate · Recusant Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 19

I notice it a lot in the type of furries that, for example, like to hunt. They think it puts them closer in touch with thier animal sides or some horseshit. These are usually the guys who hold the 'survival of the fittest' ideal REAL close. And that typically translates right over into far-right ideologies.

I don't see that at all. What I see is people who take an interest in gun ownership or hunting and are now part of a group that the leftists collectively tar and feather without foundation as one step from the Klan.

They need to have a talk with Aaron Zelman of the JPFO or any black man who collects guns or hunts to see that it ain't so. Being a hunter or gun owner don't make you a racist or anti-semite. (If it did, what would that have made the Black Panthers?)

But what does disgust me is the reactionary move right over to becoming that in a self-fulfilling prophecy sort of way. I left the survivalist world precisely because of the paranoid conspiracy nuts who grew on everything like a cancer, who spouted inane bigoted claptrap and got away with it despite the vast bulk of the conservative survivalists being very much ANTI-racism and so forth. Personally, I despise the Klan and all other such assholes and think they should be hunted and fed to dogs for dinner before we allow another deer to be hunted. We have a surplus of such dicks.

(Do I need to do the whole "I have black friends" thing here? Wife and mother-in-law are Jewish, we've agreed to raise our children both Jewish and Christian, I'm bi as is my wife and her birth mother is a lesbian, half my friends are gay or bi, numbers of them are Jewish or black... Like I'm going to be bigoted against the pet groups of the left wing just because I believe in gun ownership. Oh yeah, I'm also part American Indian. Some idiot called my cell phone number in error and when I told him he had a wrong number he replied that I was a white prick(how he can tell from my voice is anyone's guess). That's Euro-Amerindian prick. You'd think people could get their ethnic slurs semi-correct.)

Sort of the way so many furries who aren't fanboy freaks disavow the freakery but won't bring themselves to openly criticize it either. Dante had a place for people who wouldn't take sides between good and evil. Fucking your dog is WRONG. Painting furry/anthropomorphics as being all about fucking your dog tars others with the wrongness. How is this so hard to grasp?

Would you prefer socialist clap-trap of the sort that David spouts at every opportunity or maybe the other varieties furries spout on every possible occasion

....yes.

Well, when you come up with the money to throw on every leftist piece of welfare state horseshit, you can personally fund it and be the sugardaddy of idiot largesse for all of furry if you like. There's a difference between being disabled or whatnot and needing a safety net and being a lazy dolt who won't work. The number of furries who can't hold a job doing the simplest work is insane. Some have been on the Internet since it was DARPANet and STILL haven't bothered to master HTML when they could have done so YEARS ago and made a living at it while sitting on their asses.

(I work in broadband daily on total autopilot, i.e. I don't do much thinking about any of my work, and I have an error rate of less than 0.01%. It's "monkey flips the switch" work to me half the time(technical stuff is there but only 1% of my work) and pays real well(equivalent to $37.50/hour this past week). All it takes is getting up in the morning and doing it. Furries bitch, whine, and moan endlessly about commerce, capitalism, working, business, so on, but what it comes down to is abject laziness.)

(Silly little self-indulgent rant here...)

Here's an example of lack of perspective. Many many furries are big time Tolkein freaks. Lovers of all his work. But they don't ever seem to have read it through to judge by their anti-Iraq War stance. Go and check it out.

The Valar allowed one of their own, Melkor, to raise unholy Hell in Middle Earth, causing them to leave for Valinor, returning to make war on him and capture him only after they'd already sat back on their asses for a while. Then they released him(WTF were they thinking?!) and he went and screwed them, returned to Middle Earth, and started his shit all over again.

It was only after the ultimately futile wars of the Noldor against Melkor(who was now called Morgoth) and huge loss of life and spread of his evil that the Valar bothered to go after him again and this time imprison him permanently(like Sauron wouldn't have been angling towards releasing his master after conquering Middle Earth; another good reason to stomp his ass at first chance).

Of course the War of Wrath ended up destroying all of Beleriand in the process. Sort of like taking out Hussein with the entire US nuclear arsenal which the US didn't. "Surgical" was obviously a foreign concept and "victory through maximum overkill" the rule of the day in this world.

But they left the job half-finished and let his flunky Sauron escape and continue to spread evil and nastiness. Sauron being a lesser Valar, a Maia, it was of course their responsibility to do something but they didn't and left thousands of years of suffering and loss of life of men and elves and dwarves to come as he went on to do the whole ring thing.

For that matter you'd think Saruman's arrogant nasty streak towards Radagast would have kept him from being sent to Middle Earth(yeah, let's put the arrogant egotistical prick in charge of the Istari, there's a great idea...) as well so there's that added incompetence and negligence of the high and mighty Valar.

Of course, the elves failed to dispatch Sauron permanently as well and even just before the Quest of Erebor(The Hobbit thing) they expelled him from Dol Goldur but let him get away. Heck, they let him get away REPEATEDLY over THOUSANDS of years. Never mind letting the Nazgul retake Dol Goldur almost immediately thereafter. They couldn't even beat the Lord of the Nazgul, so how do they think they're going to beat his boss? This would have been like the allies being totally impotent before Mussolini but still thinking they could somehow whomp ass on Hitler.

The Men weren't innocent either and Ar-Pharazon who led a mighty army all the way from the isle of Numenor and cowed Sauron by force of overwhelming superior numbers and could have finished the twit right right then, took him back to Numenor where he engineered the ill-fated attempt at defying the Ban of Men by getting the idiot king to sail on Valinor itself causing the Valar to sink Numenor altogether. They let Sauron live through that but MERCILESSLY KILLED almost THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF NUMENOR. It would be like spanking Saddam during the Gulf War by nuking every inch of Kuwait. Which we didn't do.

All of that death and misery because of a lack of willpower to do anything beyond their narrow selfish personal concerns("it's not our responsibility..." as the left likes to say... the heck it ain't...) and so evil kept on going over and over again until a little freaking hobbit saves the whole day at the very end. And then everyone else took credit from the men to the elves.

Sort of the way the tyrants of the world keep getting black eyes when it suits the west but otherwise keep on doing whatever they want to whoever they please until the last minute and the world is on the brink of disaster. The entire saga of Middle Earth from the start to the fourth age is one of people not taking action when they could have and stopped much misery and bloodshed from ever happening. Incompetence and negligence. The kind we get from the anti-Bush pro-UN crowd. If they were in charge in WWII, Hitler's successors would now be in charge of most of the planet and we'd be trying to stage a far comeback win only to have them take credit for it all if we did manage to somehow do it.

News flash: no one comes back from losing every straight game to win the World Series that same season and this is far more important stuff. As I once had in my signature, "The right things done for the wrong reasons and the wrong things done for the right reasons do not make up for not doing the right thing for the right reason in the first place."

Or perhaps we should have waited until Saddam did manage to get WMDs and sold them to Al Queda or used them on Kuwait and Iran and got WWIII started. Odd how people who are so enthused over the Lord of the Rings can miss that whole lesson. Not surprising Tolkein wrote it that way in the light of his WWI experience and seeing the oncoming Hell that Hitler was bringing. The Wise. League of Nations. Council of Elrond, current day United Nations. Great sounding things that keep missing their duty and letting evil spread. (another great exmple there, that Elrond. He could have killed Isildur discretely and tossed him and the ring into Orodruin and ended it all right there but nooooo... And then he wants all the elves to hightail it to Valinor and leave Men and Dwarves to their fates. As leading representative of the Valar's favoured "first-born" it would behoove him to be a little braver and show a little more leadership...)

I lump the enabler furries right in there. You had people like Merlino who Mike Hirtes could probably write a whole book about, and you had the muddlebrained dips who buzzed about him like those flies and by deflection of criticism and willful obfuscation enabled it to continue and grow into the dank nasty mess that furry has become.

If pre-emptive actions to save civilization from its would-be destoryers are wrong, then Crush Yiff Destroy should close down right now and let furry go on its merry way to Hell and we should all just sing coombayah and hold hands with the dipshits as they drag us all down with them.

Just an example.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I wasn't aware that wide-ranging conversations as they flowed weren't allowed and that CYD was ONLY about cynical "lookity at them thar stoopid lukin furrie freaks" stuff. When did this change occur?

Look at the forum title: Chit Chat. Not: Serious Erudite Discussions of the Travesties of Furrydom and Naught but this on Pain of Death.

Computolio started off the political ranting, it went on, so fucking what? Do we next FAQ-whack Mike Hirtes when he goes off on another Brian O'Connel retrospective because you've gotten tired of nailing BOC's carcass to the wall and throwing darts at it and he hasn't? (like one could ever grow tired of throwing darts at BOC)

We're shooting the bullshit here and just chatting. It's not like this is alt.fan.furry where everything is prescribed by groupthink and what's not is proscribed for fear of being set upon by that she-thing hellbeast Sam Ann Patterson. (there's another favorite jousting target for Mike to slay)

Unless I've taken leave of my senses, Mitch is still top and even he took part.

You want something, no need to pull a Chris Baird, just freaking find something interesting to discuss and start a thread. By all means, feed us the latest furry stupidity. But no one is here to amuse everyone else with only the stuff they want. This isn't content on demand here. If a thread goes somewhere I could care less about, I change to another thread and read that.

And should we be less than honest? Should we be as false and disingenuous as furries are, then turn around and post backstabbing flames?

Nah. So it's not your cup of tea. Neither are some things here for me. But on the whole, it beats the living shit out of any other forum even peripherally regarding furries with a crowbar(something that some furries should no doubt have been beaten with by their own parents before they gained Internet access, but I digress with a CYD-esque obfurry).

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

We're shooting the bullshit here and just chatting. It's not like this is alt.fan.furry where everything is prescribed by groupthink and what's not is proscribed for fear of being set upon by that she-thing hellbeast Sam Ann Patterson. (there's another favorite jousting target for Mike to slay).

Nah. Sammy's just another gadfly as far as I'm concerned. I've dealt with nearly all of furrydumb's most notorious fanboy buttholes (from Howell to Sibe to Xydexx), but it takes the antics of a truly vicious little shit such as O'Connell to be worthy of serious, calculated attention.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

By all means, feed us the latest furry stupidity.

Well, I'm assuming you heard about Sibe getting tossed out of the con hotel at last weekend's furry fondlefest, right?

Icecat was there. I'll let him fill in the details if he wants to talk about it.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

By all means, feed us the latest furry stupidity.

Well, I'm assuming you heard about Sibe getting tossed out of the con hotel at last weekend's furry fondlefest, right?

Icecat was there. I'll let him fill in the details if he wants to talk about it.

To use chatkid shorthand, OMG. No, I didn't hear. I would hope Icecat does mention it.

Sibe is one of those things like your worst enemy driving your brand new sports car off a cliff. On the one hand he's definitely a dick. On the other, he is an amusing thorn in the side of furries who take their artistic nonsense way too far. "We have to stop Sibe doing his warez thing with our copyrighted art!" Yeah, I can see where stopping him from pirating badly drawn spooge is a number one priority for the FBI...

We're shooting the bullshit here and just chatting. It's not like this is alt.fan.furry where everything is prescribed by groupthink and what's not is proscribed for fear of being set upon by that she-thing hellbeast Sam Ann Patterson. (there's another favorite jousting target for Mike to slay).

Nah. Sammy's just another gadfly as far as I'm concerned. I've dealt with nearly all of furrydumb's most notorious fanboy buttholes (from Howell to Sibe to Xydexx), but it takes the antics of a truly vicious little shit such as O'Connell to be worthy of serious, calculated attention.

Oh but how I'd enjoy seeing Sammy get a slap. Self-assured smug little... one of the denizens of a.f.f I hate with a passion. I believe you refer to he/she/it as "Ram-ass". Kincaid is another one of the arbiters of a.f.f who needs a good slapping with a rubber hose.

Gadfly is something I'd reserve for people whose arguments mean something or who actually writes something worth bothering with at least some of the time. Sammy and Kincaid are neither.

Ah for the days when I could actually deal with some of those people at a.f.f without them instantly defending every stupid thing in furry like it was their lifeblood.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

To use chatkid shorthand, OMG. No, I didn't hear. I would hope Icecat does mention it.

Icecat was there, but if you can't wait that long, you can read the thread on AFF (or just do a Google Advance Groups search with the title "ALASKA'S MASTER and 0|^|~3r GET'S FORCIBLY TOSSED FROM THE SAN JOSE DOUBLETREE HOTEL!! WHOO-WEEEEE!"

And yeah. When Sibe is pirating stuff like Kevin Duane's CDs of art he stole from the artists, I don't know who to root for. Aw fuggit they're both furries. Just shoot 'em BOTH in the head.

Oh but how I'd enjoy seeing Sammy get a slap. Self-assured smug little... one of the denizens of a.f.f I hate with a passion. I believe you refer to he/she/it as "Ram-ass". Kincaid is another one of the arbiters of a.f.f who needs a good slapping with a rubber hose.

No. "Ram Ass" is Michael "Romus Z" Caddell, who now thinks he's the Stan Lee of furrydumb now that Bernal/Cullen unloaded "Rare Breed" onto him. I wish he was riding shotgun next to Sibe as that car goes over the cliff.

Ah for the days when I could actually deal with some of those people at a.f.f without them instantly defending every stupid thing in furry like it was their lifeblood.

Well, while on the subject of the furrfondlefest of last weekend, ask Icecat about "The Crib". (cackles in a most evil way)

eatenmyeyes · Recusant Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 18

Using hyenas to represent blacks is not inherently racist. Art Spiegelman did effectively the same thing in Maus.

They need to have a talk with Aaron Zelman of the JPFO or any black man who collects guns or hunts to see that it ain't so. Being a hunter or gun owner don't make you a racist or anti-semite. (If it did, what would that have made the Black Panthers?)

While we are on the subject of racism...
Ahhh, the JPFO...
http://www.jpfo.org/brasco4.jpg
from
http://www.jpfo.org/brascard.htm

EDIT:spelling

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

By all means, feed us the latest furry stupidity.

Well, I'm assuming you heard about Sibe getting tossed out of the con hotel at last weekend's furry fondlefest, right?

Icecat was there. I'll let him fill in the details if he wants to talk about it.

I did'nt see it personally but the news was all over the con, Basically the events outlined in that AFF post were pretty acurate according to the people I talked to about it. And as far as I'm concerned it's good to see scum like sibe run out of town on a rail..

Later

IceCat

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I did'nt see it personally but the news was all over the con, Basically the events outlined in that AFF post were pretty acurate according to the people I talked to about it. And as far as I'm concerned it's good to see scum like sibe run out of town on a rail..

Later

IceCat

And, (I just discovered these), watch Sibe pouting like a spanked puppy here:

http://solidox.timduru.org/%20(11).MOV

I thought it was interesting to note that this snotty little twit who always could rely on his Dad's money and connections to get him out of any situation great and small, is now reduced to some bawling little wad of sulk because he didn't get his way this time. Oh, if only my World's Tiniest Violin wasn't in the shop for a tuneup.

And here's Sibe with a bit of restored bravado when he makes this little message of love to all his fans:

http://solidox.timduru.org/%20(13).MOV

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Huh. I was at California Clusterfuck, too, last weekend because, you know, the girlfriend likes the furry. Yes, that's my excuse. Anyway, I heard Sibe got kicked out for having a gun. Because, you know, he's evil and shit.

"ALASKA'S MASTER and 0|^|~3r GET'S FORCIBLY TOSSED FROM THE SAN JOSE DOUBLETREE HOTEL!! WHOO-WEEEEE!"

Wow. That was pretty stupid.

So what's the deal with this crib?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

So what's the deal with this crib?

Let's just say that you probably thought that furry fandumb couldn't get any more bizarre, didn't you? :wink:

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

So what's the deal with this crib?

Let's just say that you probably thought that furry fandumb couldn't get any more bizarre, didn't you? :wink:

But what is it?

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

So what's the deal with this crib?

Let's just say that you probably thought that furry fandumb couldn't get any more bizarre, didn't you? :wink:

Are diapers involved, by any chance?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

So what's the deal with this crib?

Let's just say that you probably thought that furry fandumb couldn't get any more bizarre, didn't you? :wink:

Are diapers involved, by any chance?

Oh please no... Not infantilism... Noooooo!!!

I've got more than one friend who fursuits who's mentioned this bizarre thing and while I was already aware of this sick crap from my wife's prior job as a dominatrix(she utterly refused to go near these types with a ten foot cattle prod and an M-16), I was unaware they were creeping into furry as well, but then with Cub Central, vore, unbirth, and the rest, should I really be surprised?

Feces are full of bacteria which belong in the digestive tract and not spread across one's backside in a diaper. Not for nothing, we've developed modern sewer systems to stave off contagion due to septic contamination. David and the other Brits on the board are no doubt very aware of London's own history regarding this and James Burke did an excellent bit on this during his Connections work. (Thank you very much Mr. Crapper. The world owes you a huge debt. http://www.theplumber.com/crapper.html)

Why anyone would want to get that all over... (But then, click through stilemedia.com and you'll see scat fetish pics pop up to shock... I've also heard of scat and golden shower people in furry, ugh... When you take all these sick fetishes together furries will then insanely turn around and say, "see, there's even more non-furries into this" at which point they should be smacked with a large heavy object for wrapping anthropomorphics in it. You'd never see anyone down at the river meadows launching RC models while wearing a diaper or attending a stamp collector show to get stamps to affix to their weiner during sex...)

At least there's not a lot of furries into gorillas ready to fling their poop at people. On the other hand, we'd have an excuse for a violent response...

Using hyenas to represent blacks is not inherently racist. Art Spiegelman did effectively the same thing in Maus.

They need to have a talk with Aaron Zelman of the JPFO or any black man who collects guns or hunts to see that it ain't so. Being a hunter or gun owner don't make you a racist or anti-semite. (If it did, what would that have made the Black Panthers?)

While we are on the subject of racism...
Ahhh, the JPFO...
http://www.jpfo.org/brasco4.jpg
from
http://www.jpfo.org/brascard.htm

EDIT:spelling

I'm not defending that pic but I have no idea what it is about either. But it does bring up the cultural difference on racism as in Japan racism towards whites is bad enough but blacks are even less liked and misuse of Nazi imagery which is beyond insensitive happens quite a bit. Antisemitism has been noted in Japan as well. But then Japan is an almost homogenous culture unlike the west which is composed of so many ethnic and religious groups. Interestingly enough, their own racism towards the prior indigenous people(which kicked off the whole Shogun-run feudal system with a figurehead emperor for centuries) has been noted by many Japanese much the way some Americans enjoy pointing out repeated misuse and abuse of the American Indians by the later arriving Europeans.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Using hyenas to represent blacks is not inherently racist. Art Spiegelman did effectively the same thing in Maus.

The technique of depicting different ethnic groups as different species of animals always struck me personally as tantamount to saying that the members of the ethnic groups are all indistinguishably similar to outsiders. Plus of course hyenas have certain negative connotations like being cowardly scavengers, who only show courage when in a pack, even though we now know this isn't accurate.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Mff? Is there a difference between "infantilism" and "cub art"?

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Using hyenas to represent blacks is not inherently racist. Art Spiegelman did effectively the same thing in Maus.

First of all, a little aclaration. I think Spiegelman represented nationalities rather than races on Maus. As far as I remember... Jews were mice, Polish were pigs, Germans were cats, Gypsies were insects and French were frogs. Funnily enough, British were fishes. Americans were protrayed as dogs, and Swedish folks were reindeers.
I also remember a sequence where a black American folk appears. He was... a black dog. :)

The technique of depicting different ethnic groups as different species of animals always struck me personally as tantamount to saying that the members of the ethnic groups are all indistinguishably similar to outsiders. Plus of course hyenas have certain negative connotations like being cowardly scavengers, who only show courage when in a pack, even though we now know this isn't accurate.

I disagree with that resource and don't use it on my stories and comics. In fact, when I draw people belonging to a culture different from those from where my character belong, I vary their species pretty much, and it's not surprising to find, say, a British dog fighting with a Hungarian dog. :)

The only exception was a storyline I planned in the early 90s: inspired by fascism, a -fox- living in Australia claimed that kangaroos were the superior species, and thus he made a political movement that pretended to kick "degenerated species" from Marsupialia and thus make the Kangarian Empire. his movement was pretty popular among 'roos, but these 'roos just were a bunch of goofy idiots, so his plans went to hell. :)

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Mff? Is there a difference between "infantilism" and "cub art"?

"cub art" is for those sickos who are into furry pedophilia.

The infantilism furries call themselves "babyfurs".

Now you can imagine what would happen if these two groups combined forces (farces?).

Yes, the First Seal has been broken!

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Mff? Is there a difference between "infantilism" and "cub art"?

Infantilism is about pretending to be a baby. Suckling of nipples(mostly other guys since most girls won't stand for it), and especially wearing of diapers and USING the diapers. From there it slides into scat and piss fetish but it also borders on a pedo fetish where they imagine themselves to be the younger participant.

Cub art is about pedo fetish right from the off, mostly as the older participant but sometimes as the younger. Quite a number revolve around homosexual pedo babysitter themes.

Most of these people are totally and completely incapable of proper interpersonal socialization, mating transactions, pure sexual congress, etc. without wrapping it all in furry claptrap like so many other furries. But they're quite possibly the worst seen yet as they combine some truly nasty things with furry like bodily fluids and pederasty.

Since furry is an excellent source of fellow delusionals and enablers to shield them from everything including their own conscience, they continue to get away with it.

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

Mff? Is there a difference between "infantilism" and "cub art"?

Infantilism is about pretending to be a baby. Suckling of nipples(mostly other guys since most girls won't stand for it), and especially wearing of diapers and USING the diapers. From there it slides into scat and piss fetish but it also borders on a pedo fetish where they imagine themselves to be the younger participant.

Cub art is about pedo fetish right from the off, mostly as the older participant but sometimes as the younger. Quite a number revolve around homosexual pedo babysitter themes.

Most of these people are totally and completely incapable of proper interpersonal socialization, mating transactions, pure sexual congress, etc. without wrapping it all in furry claptrap like so many other furries. But they're quite possibly the worst seen yet as they combine some truly nasty things with furry like bodily fluids and pederasty.

Since furry is an excellent source of fellow delusionals and enablers to shield them from everything including their own conscience, they continue to get away with it.

Speaking of infantilism at FC I saw a sign stuck on a hotel room door showing the "furry personas" of the room's occupants, from the artwork alone I figured that they were a pair of "babyfurs". This was only confermed Sunday night, as they had opened the room they were using for a party. And as I was walking by I looked into the room and saw an adult sized crib....

Need I say more?

Later

IceCat

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Speaking of infantilism at FC I saw a sign stuck on a hotel room door showing the "furry personas" of the room's occupants, from the artwork alone I figured that they were a pair of "babyfurs". This was only confermed Sunday night, as they had opened the room they were using for a party. And as I was walking by I looked into the room and saw an adult sized crib....

Need I say more?

Later

IceCat

And there you go. Every time I mention that I've seen sick shit walking past room parties with doors left open, people say, "no... that never happens."

Uh-huh.

How long till some parent sends a PI after their under eighteen kid to a furry con and actually documents sex between one of the adolscents and the predatory twinks?

If I had money for it, I'd get one of those sunglass mounted CCD camera spykits and give it to willing people to carry to cons and bring back the footage. Not for simple harassment, but to expose some of the truly unacceptable crap that furries engage in.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

The more I read about this, the bigger my eager to shut down my strip Alice Otter (that features anthro kids) and destroy the originals to avoid those folks to "appropiate" of my chars, if they get some notoriety.

Man, those folks at furrydom love to smash good ideas to draw comics.

Fins · Qualificator Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 25

The more I read about this, the bigger my eager to shut down my strip Alice Otter (that features anthro kids) and destroy the originals to avoid those folks to "appropiate" of my chars, if they get some notoriety.

Man, those folks at furrydom love to smash good ideas to draw comics.

Sad, isn't it? But I don't know if shutting down your comic strip would help anything. It's like somebody drawing Tiny Toons porn. Does that make the real Tiny Toons pornographic? No, of course not. Does it mean that the WB approves of the misrepresentation of their characters? No, it just means that there are some sickos out there. I'd keep drawing, marketing, and thinking about your comic for what it is, not what it's not.

Just my 2 cents.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Sad, isn't it? But I don't know if shutting down your comic strip would help anything. It's like somebody drawing Tiny Toons porn. Does that make the real Tiny Toons pornographic?

No, but it DOES creep the shit out of Tress MacNeille whenever she gets another packet in the mail that's stuffed with Quozl's latest TT cum-slopping fanfic.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Drop your comic if you honestly do not enjoy writing for it, not if you're afraid that someone somewhere might be getting off on it.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

Speaking of infantilism at FC I saw a sign stuck on a hotel room door showing the "furry personas" of the room's occupants, from the artwork alone I figured that they were a pair of "babyfurs". This was only confermed Sunday night, as they had opened the room they were using for a party. And as I was walking by I looked into the room and saw an adult sized crib....

Need I say more?

Later

IceCat

Yeah, was a couple rooms down from that... room. I walked by while they had the door open and I just thanked god the smell was contained. Course, I also saw the guy who looked a lot like Kevin Duane (there is a piece of work) dressed up like a five year old in bear PJs. That was fucked up.

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

Speaking of infantilism at FC I saw a sign stuck on a hotel room door showing the "furry personas" of the room's occupants, from the artwork alone I figured that they were a pair of "babyfurs". This was only confermed Sunday night, as they had opened the room they were using for a party. And as I was walking by I looked into the room and saw an adult sized crib....

Need I say more?

Later

IceCat

Yeah, was a couple rooms down from that... room. I walked by while they had the door open and I just thanked god the smell was contained. Course, I also saw the guy who looked a lot like Kevin Duane (there is a piece of work) dressed up like a five year old in bear PJs. That was fucked up.

The mental image that just gave me.. Shudder...

Later

IceCat

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

The mental image that just gave me.. Shudder...

Later

IceCat

That's not even the worst of it. Couple babyfurs walked into the hotel while I was attempting to get folks together for a liquar run (Note to self: Find a better store then PW Mart or whatever the hell it's called) and the waft of baby powder incased me. I nearly lost it right there.

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

The mental image that just gave me.. Shudder...

Later

IceCat

That's not even the worst of it. Couple babyfurs walked into the hotel while I was attempting to get folks together for a liquar run (Note to self: Find a better store then PW Mart or whatever the hell it's called) and the waft of baby powder incased me. I nearly lost it right there.

I agree that's alot worse then what I saw in that room, only makes me wonder what the hotel cleaning staff thought of it. As for the smell of baby powder now that you mention it I did catch a hint of it in the air.
Bleh.

Later

IceCat

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Wayd, that utterly rediculous Tolkien parallel might've gotten you banned if I had admin privlidges, k? People comparing the story of the Lord Of The Rings to World War // is retarded enough.

Actually, come to think of it if I had admin I'd probably create a FYAD-esque subforum for MORAL KOMBAT and confine both you and David and whoever else within it instead. AREN'T YOU LUCKY MITCH IS SUCH A NICE FELLOW

Huh. I was at California Clusterfuck, too, last weekend because, you know, the girlfriend likes the furry. Yes, that's my excuse.

That convention was too fucking close to where I live for comfort. And as for the adult babies:

Mff? Is there a difference between "infantilism" and "cub art"?

"cub art" is for those sickos who are into furry pedophilia.

The infantilism furries call themselves "babyfurs".

NOW YOU KNOW AND KNOWING IS LOSING THE BATTLE

PORKCHOP SANDWICHES

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

If pre-emptive actions to save civilization from its would-be destoryers are wrong, then Crush Yiff Destroy should close down right now and let furry go on its merry way to Hell and we should all just sing coombayah and hold hands with the dipshits as they drag us all down with them.

Here's some disorientet two-cent potpourri;

I am not completely sure what CYD:s agenda is in general but mine is to let the whole debauchery sink. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to discuss the shit I've been through in my years participating in the said fandom.

Here are some examples of cyd forum user's partial or full goals. Feel free to add.

1.To help the furry fandom by giving a second opinion.
2.To bash the furry fandom by giving a second opinion.
3.Group therapy, Former Furries anonymous (I'd pick this.)
4.Telling others to loosen up and look on the bright side of furry.
5.Blatantly defending furry. (Or pinkfairylotus/et cetera.)

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Huh. I was at California Clusterfuck, too, last weekend because, you know, the girlfriend likes the furry. Yes, that's my excuse.

Not much else to tell, really, since I only went for a day and missed all the hotel room hi-jinks. Like the crib. And shit. Jesus, it must suck to be the maid that has to clean up the room the next day. I mean, just having a regular furry in there overnight would probably stink it up but good, but when you've got guys doing ... crib stuff and whatever other ickygoo things furries do in clumps it's got to ruin the room permanently. Just like how you can always tell when your room used to be a smoking room...

Oh, the highlight of the entire thing was that I did see Kajima frostfang briefly and his FINGERLESS BLACK GLOVES OF DOOM. Otherwise, lots of unspectacular nerds.

Uh...assuming that Martin pic was indicating that you wanted to hear more and not that you wanted a bon mot.

That convention was too fucking close to where I live for comfort.

NOW YOU KNOW AND KNOWING IS LOSING THE BATTLE

PORKCHOP SANDWICHES

WHO WANTS A BODY MASSAGE?

Ole Sparky · Qualificator Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 21

SJ, Wayd, ICECat, ya'll, with a southern drawl... Ole Sparky here with the most delightfully evil personal anecdote to share. Talk about a "Down the Throat" shot at Furry... submariner talk. Fire One, Fire Two! Down scope, take her deep.
I had just finished an install and had hauled the boxes down to the dumpster. Met a friend there smoking his pipe.
He opened up with "hey... do you watch CSI?" I don't, but on a wierdness scale shared between friends, I could see it coming.
I says, "It wouldn't be an episode about Furry Cons, would it?" With a definitely evil look on my face..
And He says, "Yes" with a bemused look on his face.
"Ah Grasshopper"... I mean "Furry", your reputation yet grows.
I spent the next five minutes divided between clearing the hand truck into the dumpster and enlightening him on Furry... about the same, a lot the same. It would be a lot the same with driving a septic tank pumper truck up and sucking the tank.
I gave him the straight, honest skinny. About the plushophiles, the cub art, the fursuiters, the definitively alternative lifestyle flavor, the Furry Catalogs as ran fifty/fifty "adult" and non adult, and most of it non adult by nature of having a "G", or is that "GEE!" string.
I even related a few of my horror stories. Somehow, in a handful of minutes, I managed to relate the horrifing reality of Furry.
SPH's and Furry's habit of imitating an ostrich and shoving its head in the sand, or somewhere else dark.
I said as how CSI may be only representive of a fraction of the fandom, but too many of the rest where so open minded their brains were slopping out on the sidewalk.
Deary, deary me... I might have over done it...
Naw...
CSI, and Horrifying Look only condensed the horrors, drew them all together. But the evil is still there.
From the "X-Files", "The Truth is out there" and I was handed the most enjoyable golden moment. Straight from the works of a forties murder mystery writer. "Vengenence is mine, sayeth the Lord, but it looks like he has handed a handful over to you to use."
As an aside, I know a gent who knows some ex Furry artists and writers, and why they are ex...
Pardon my smug look...
Ah... Karma... it had been a truly ugly week, until that wonderful, golden moment in front of the dumpster.
Ole Sparky

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

SJ, Wayd, ICECat, ya'll, with a southern drawl... Ole Sparky here with the most delightfully evil personal anecdote to share. Talk about a "Down the Throat" shot at Furry... submariner talk. Fire One, Fire Two! Down scope, take her deep.
I had just finished an install and had hauled the boxes down to the dumpster. Met a friend there smoking his pipe.
He opened up with "hey... do you watch CSI?" I don't, but on a wierdness scale shared between friends, I could see it coming.
I says, "It wouldn't be an episode about Furry Cons, would it?" With a definitely evil look on my face..
And He says, "Yes" with a bemused look on his face.
"Ah Grasshopper"... I mean "Furry", your reputation yet grows.
I spent the next five minutes divided between clearing the hand truck into the dumpster and enlightening him on Furry... about the same, a lot the same. It would be a lot the same with driving a septic tank pumper truck up and sucking the tank.
I gave him the straight, honest skinny. About the plushophiles, the cub art, the fursuiters, the definitively alternative lifestyle flavor, the Furry Catalogs as ran fifty/fifty "adult" and non adult, and most of it non adult by nature of having a "G", or is that "GEE!" string.
I even related a few of my horror stories. Somehow, in a handful of minutes, I managed to relate the horrifing reality of Furry.
SPH's and Furry's habit of imitating an ostrich and shoving its head in the sand, or somewhere else dark.
I said as how CSI may be only representive of a fraction of the fandom, but too many of the rest where so open minded their brains were slopping out on the sidewalk.
Deary, deary me... I might have over done it...
Naw...
CSI, and Horrifying Look only condensed the horrors, drew them all together. But the evil is still there.
From the "X-Files", "The Truth is out there" and I was handed the most enjoyable golden moment. Straight from the works of a forties murder mystery writer. "Vengenence is mine, sayeth the Lord, but it looks like he has handed a handful over to you to use."
As an aside, I know a gent who knows some ex Furry artists and writers, and why they are ex...
Pardon my smug look...
Ah... Karma... it had been a truly ugly week, until that wonderful, golden moment in front of the dumpster.
Ole Sparky

I'm sorry, was this going somewhere?

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

It's a putrid abomination. There's nothing more I can add I guess.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

Just Another Furry Mary-Jane Comic Strip...

Fisk's actions throughout are all just wish-fulfilment, making the comic a rant, rather than a story. (Protect Mother from the wannabe-Rapist Principal... the Principal being bashed by the Old Army Buddies in a hospital with security cameras and staff everywhere....right...)

Shit, Naylor, you're into your 30s now... Having a story where child abuse case lives in a Crack House, and the Hyena/Negro Father is killed by storming FBI grunts, is like something a 13 year old who has never experenced the real world would write. Don't whinge to us if everyone in the Fandom gets the impression you're insular couch-potato Tard and people automatically laugh at your views.

Plus of course hyenas have certain negative connotations like being cowardly scavengers, who only show courage when in a pack, even though we now know this isn't accurate.
When Nikki first appeared, I was worried he was going to go the hermaphorite angle... :-P

BTW, this bash script gets around his annoying web server:
#!/bin/bash
for i in `itoa 1 80`
do
echo $i
wget -U "(Mozilla; CBM64; 6510)" \
--referer=http://www.furrymilitia.net/better.php?dt=2004-1-28 \
http://www.furrymilitia.net/getdat.php?id=$i \
-o betterdays_$i.gif
done
The "itoa" command it refers to is this:
#!/usr/bin/perl
@ARGV == 2 || die ("usage: $0 botnum topnum\n");
foreach $n ($ARGV[0]..$ARGV[1]) { printf ("$n\n"); }
exit 0;
(Oh, and Wayd mentioned his bisexualty and Linux users again! Time to write a CYD drinking game! :p)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

BTW, this bash script gets around his annoying web server:
#!/bin/bash
for i in `itoa 1 80`
do
echo $i
wget -U "(Mozilla; CBM64; 6510)" \
--referer=http://www.furrymilitia.net/better.php?dt=2004-1-28 \
http://www.furrymilitia.net/getdat.php?id=$i \
-o betterdays_$i.gif
done
The "itoa" command it refers to is this:
#!/usr/bin/perl
@ARGV == 2 || die ("usage: $0 botnum topnum\n");
foreach $n ($ARGV[0]..$ARGV[1]) { printf ("$n\n"); }
exit 0;

Ohhh. Magic.
What does it all mean?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

(snip)

I don't know why the animosity towards me from you but it's getting old Chris. Give it a rest already.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

(snip)

I don't know why the animosity towards me from you but it's getting old Chris. Give it a rest already.

Yeah, Chris, besides, everyone knows Wayd doesn't talk about Linux all the time. He talks about his wife's breasts.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

Yeah, Chris, besides, everyone knows Wayd doesn't talk about Linux all the time. He talks about his wife's breasts.

Heh.

Wayd, just stop caring.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

(snip)

I don't know why the animosity towards me from you but it's getting old Chris. Give it a rest already.

Yeah, Chris, besides, everyone knows Wayd doesn't talk about Linux all the time. He talks about his wife's breasts.

Which he NEVER posts pics of here, the selfish BASTARD! Why doesn't he post pics so we all can have a look at these wonderful, delicious, squeezable ta-ta's he keeps bragging to us about?? I'll bet they don't really exist. Come on Wayd! Show us pictures of her boobies or you're a dirty no-good stinking liar!! Come on!!!! Prove to us that you're right, or you're wrong!

Oh waitasec. That's how a typical furry would react. Always expecting people to cater to them.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

(snip)

I don't know why the animosity towards me from you but it's getting old Chris. Give it a rest already.

Yeah, Chris, besides, everyone knows Wayd doesn't talk about Linux all the time. He talks about his wife's breasts.

Which he NEVER posts pics of here, the selfish BASTARD! Why doesn't he post pics so we all can have a look at these wonderful, delicious, squeezable ta-ta's he keeps bragging to us about?? I'll bet they don't really exist. Come on Wayd! Show us pictures of her boobies or you're a dirty no-good stinking liar!! Come on!!!! Prove to us that you're right, or you're wrong!

Oh waitasec. That's how a typical furry would react. Always expecting people to cater to them.

LOL. Yeah, that's the way furries can be. I used to get pic requests quite a bit from people I'd never heard of. I've sent them only to the closest friends who she'd approved of. She's kind of grown out of her exhibitionist streak and settled down as a housewife. She plays games on Yahoo these days and that's about all for her online activity anymore.

With regards to Linux...

No, I won't do that to you. :lol:

I mentioned my sexuality only because it's fairly common to have anyone who criticizes any pet group of the left be tarred and feathered. It's a little harder when it's plain you're NOT the stereotypical "straight white Christian male of privilege" that they like to whack and since it was a political thread you sometimes have to lay out that to prevent the usual crappy "you're a racist/homophone/sexist/bigot!" slam.

And as to my wife's boobs, I'm rubbing it in to the FURRIES who lurk through here because I've found a lot of these sad screwed up people DO have an interest in getting a girl of their own and I'd rather dangle that in front of them instead of just idle talk that they need to meet people. Nothing like beating into them what they're MISSING OUT ON. Then they wouldn't have to hit me up on IM to ask for pics of my wife, they'd have their own.

I'd rant on with more explanations of my beliefs on furry and how to attack the cancer but not here and now. Some other time maybe.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

And as to my wife's boobs, I'm rubbing it in to the FURRIES who lurk through here because I've found a lot of these sad screwed up people DO have an interest in getting a girl of their own and I'd rather dangle that in front of them instead of just idle talk that they need to meet people. Nothing like beating into them what they're MISSING OUT ON. Then they wouldn't have to hit me up on IM to ask for pics of my wife, they'd have their own.

That's what I always figured. Still, you do it a little too much and that gives the sane people who lurk through here a different impression.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

And as to my wife's boobs, I'm rubbing it in to the FURRIES who lurk through here because I've found a lot of these sad screwed up people DO have an interest in getting a girl of their own and I'd rather dangle that in front of them instead of just idle talk that they need to meet people. Nothing like beating into them what they're MISSING OUT ON. Then they wouldn't have to hit me up on IM to ask for pics of my wife, they'd have their own.

That's what I always figured. Still, you do it a little too much and that gives the sane people who lurk through here a different impression.

Yeah, I know. Hazard of aiming intellectually at a target. Like when I'd rail at the scumbags at a.f.f all those who DIDN'T resemble what I said took umbrage as if I was aiming at them when I clearly wasn't. With respect to the wife, I've had the closer to the line discussions at work with the guys who think I'm crazy to be married while they're playing the field all week. I only wish furries were that close. I'm still trying to convince them of the rightness of umpteen thousand years of human life: getting and maintaining a relationship with someone other than your right hand and imagination.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

Still, you do it a little too much and that gives the sane people who lurk through here a different impression.

It sounds too much like he's pushing the adolescent idea that "happiness = long-term relationship with a female with large tits and an active sex life", and sounds especially cheap using it as rhetoric in a flame. I've been there (imagine a girl like Ally Sheedy + 45-36-38 figure + long hair + glasses + 3 Bachelor degrees + 4 years together!), and imho anyone who could even suggest thinking like that is way on the bottom side of the curve... (and probably needs to know that most people only have 5 toes on each foot..)

(Pics?!? They're somewhere... Treat it as an IQ test to find them...)

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

It sounds too much like he's pushing the adolescent idea that "happiness = long-term relationship with a female with large tits and an active sex life", and sounds especially cheap using it as rhetoric in a flame. I've been there (imagine a girl like Ally Sheedy + 45-36-38 figure + long hair + glasses + 3 Bachelor degrees + 4 years together!), and imho anyone who could even suggest thinking like that is way on the bottom side of the curve... (and probably needs to know that most people only have 5 toes on each foot..)

That's not anything to do with it, I said so, and you're still obsessing with trying to nail me. Do you think of anything else? Between this and your noise about CYD becoming a "defend your furry lifestyle" site something is obviously eating you. Is something off the board getting your goat or do you just want CYD to be a nasty gang stomp the target of the day affair? Or are you just trying to make me an enemy? Give it up already.

Once again, to get it through to the cheap seats, I'm trying to get it across to LURKING FURRIES who DO come through here, that ANYONE can make their life work and hold a relationship IF THEY FUCKING TRY. How the Hell do you think those furries were born?

Do you EVER pay attention to ANYTHING? Ever notice the obsession with giant boobs that furries have in spooge pics? Ever get the idea they only wish they could get someone like that, but just don't have the courage to even TALK to someone else much less interact on a personal level with ANYONE? Or maybe their obsession with sex might be something to take into account?

Obviously, one good tactic is to offer up an example they can relate to.

BASIC HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY.

Why is this so fucking hard for you to grasp?

I make a much better friend than an enemy. If you've got something you need to get off your chest, then take it to private message and I'll talk nicely with you. I've been known to converse nicely with, and listen with caring to people who've beforehand been just as nasty.

I turn the other cheek so much I'm rapidly becoming nothing but cheek. If I made a list of people who've honked me off to the point that a beating with a tire iron would be seen as justified by the Pope, it would stretch five miles and I KEEP ON BEING NICE to them. Furries, non-furries, coworkers, friends, family, total strangers. Not because I'm afraid of going toe-to-toe just in case you're cynically thinking that, but because it's a principle of my life. I prefer to be mellow while people are wasting their time instead of wasting my time being obsessed with getting at them.

Heck, you want to meet me for a drink when we're in the same town, I'LL BUY. But enough of the lame attempts on assassinating whatever it is you think of my character.

And for anyone who thinks they know what I look like, here's clarification.
Wayd on vacation Adolescent? Yeah, right. I wish. I'd LOVE to be able to have my teen years back being well on my way to middle age.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

That's not anything to do with it, I said so, and you're still obsessing with trying to nail me. Do you think of anything else?

...

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

Your willing to buy beer? Wish I knew that BEFORE the superbowl! :}

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

And for anyone who thinks they know what I look like, here's clarification.
Wayd on vacation Adolescent? Yeah, right. I wish. I'd LOVE to be able to have my teen years back being well on my way to middle age.

http://quizilla.com/users/Galago/quizzes/What%20Kind%20of%20Internet%20Loser%20are%20you%3F

You're the creepy guy in every nerd grouping, the guy that no one really likes but everyone's too polite to say so. Your taste in clothes leans toward camo gear and black trench coats. You pick your religious and political beliefs based on what's most likely to tweak the squares. When you're amongst liberals, you're a die-hard, dumbass Republican and you're not above contradicting anything you might have said yesterday to follow the party line. In most other situations, you're likely to spout anarchist or Libertarian dogma. You are really an atheist, but pretend to worship either Satan or Cthulhu in a kitschy, tongue-in-cheek sorta way. You know that you're better than other nerds because you wear a stupid out-of-date hat, probably a fedora or ten gallon cowboy hat. You cultivate a scraggly high school beard, and take great pride in your drinking and smoking abilities. Cigarettes will do in a pinch, but you much prefer the pretension of cigars and pipes. You once drank a bottle of absinthe and make sure to mention this at least once in every conversation.

I know, it's dumb and not especially funny or accurate, but I can't resist when I see the hat.

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

And for anyone who thinks they know what I look like, here's clarification.

I just HAVE to get sunglasses like that.

Ooh... pictures of people...

Slaitila on random zombie rampage...
http://www.cc.puv.fi/~e0300312/kuvat/4.jpg

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

And as to my wife's boobs, I'm rubbing it in to the FURRIES who lurk through here because I've found a lot of these sad screwed up people DO have an interest in getting a girl of their own and I'd rather dangle that in front of them instead of just idle talk that they need to meet people. Nothing like beating into them what they're MISSING OUT ON. Then they wouldn't have to hit me up on IM to ask for pics of my wife, they'd have their own.

Perhaps for the sake of public service these boobies of your wife SHOULD be posted for all to see (and tell her I say "thank you, brave lady. <g>), especially by the furries. Perhaps at least that way they can get a good idea what REAL breasts look like instead of porn star silicone waterballoons or the gravity-defying monster jugs that you'd see on any given Scott Alson character.

At least it might encourage them to make their furry pr0n a little more believable.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I know, it's dumb and not especially funny or accurate, but I can't resist when I see the hat.

Very inaccurate but passing funny, Meat.

I've always been a hat wearer and used to buy fedoras from a now defunct haberdasher in Hartford. I've got a couple leathers and of course the one that matches the zoot suit. You want a zoot that is its own furry reference? Tiger Zoot Wish I had the money but right now I have to manage a road trip to a wedding in Raleigh. (You can ask furs as they frown, "I'm sorry, was this a relative of yours?" I've even thought about buying some wolf pelts off a Russian dealer and having a suit made from those to up the ante.)

The trench was a Christmas present from family and a replacement for the black canvas trench that just got too worn out and didn't match the suit underneath anymore and project managers are usually kind of edgy about offending the client's fashion taste. They WILL comment if your socks don't match exactly in some companies.

The sunglasses? Well that shows my age right there. They're first generation(more or less) Solarshields. You know, the wrap-arounds for people who wear glasses which block almost all peripheral UV, especially handed out by opthamologists after eye work. Generally sold in drug stores that specialize in recuperative and convalescent products for the elderly. I wear them because I'm hypoglycemic and sometimes sensitivity to the light is so great, I get massive headaches. No fashion statement is intended, when you ride the red line in Boston, you go from dark tunnels to brightly lit outside without much warning and hitting Boylston streetside is like a nova in the face.

If I was in my youth again, I'd probably have gotten contacts and bought a nicer pair that wasn't so large. Thanks to the red eye of lens flare, I look like the bastard offspring of the Terminator and Jerry Garcia. *sigh*

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

And as to my wife's boobs, I'm rubbing it in to the FURRIES who lurk through here because I've found a lot of these sad screwed up people DO have an interest in getting a girl of their own and I'd rather dangle that in front of them instead of just idle talk that they need to meet people. Nothing like beating into them what they're MISSING OUT ON. Then they wouldn't have to hit me up on IM to ask for pics of my wife, they'd have their own.

Perhaps for the sake of public service these boobies of your wife SHOULD be posted for all to see (and tell her I say "thank you, brave lady. <g>), especially by the furries. Perhaps at least that way they can get a good idea what REAL breasts look like instead of porn star silicone waterballoons or the gravity-defying monster jugs that you'd see on any given Scott Alson character.

At least it might encourage them to make their furry pr0n a little more believable.

The freaking strange thing is, that when female furs do that, the guys STILL pay it no mind. I mean, you can't get any more accurate with regard to the physics of breasts than someone like Lisa Jennings doing her rendtion of Omaha not to mention in the face of furry. But do they care?

There's that artist herd mentality also that you know so well Mike. If Winger draws giant boobs then all his fans who are also artists draw giant boobs... Habit becomes cartoony reflex... Even some who try hard not to end up doing a furry rendition of a fitness supermodel.

What grinds my gears and harshes my mellow is when furries who have relationships, who can interact properly with others, do the social give and take, then turn around and defend the numbskulls and try to prevent them from seeing the light that they saw at some point. If it is okay for let's say Mike and Carol Curtis to be married, why is it okay to encourage the continued run from interpersonal competence among so many of their Shanda readers?

"Well marriage isn't for everyone." No, it isn't. But that isn't the point. Among furries, attacking and undermining every aspect of so-called "mundane life" is almost a pathology and that includes the institutions of marriage AND friendship. We're not talking failing to encourage marriage or relationships one way or the other, we're talking giving encouragement to the mindset that you don't have to be even remotely capable of those things in the first place is okay and cool. No it ain't. Being a total social dipshit is just as bad as being a crack-head. And if furries actually cared about each other, they'd encourage better. But instead, the encouragement is to basically say "fuck off" to the whole notion of reasonable interpersonal relationships.

Anyone else notice the astounding regularity of furries using and abusing the hearts and minds of others constantly? It's as if furries set out to do and be those things that would get them shunned completely in normal society. Yet, still they yearn for it. It's in their blood. Their parents mated. Had friends. Could be trusted farther than you could throw them. Got along relatively well in society. They want that normality on some level too as can be seen in their art and writings. But furry has become some twisted co-dependant enabler(sorry for the twelve step crap) festival of shelter from being normal.

This more than any furversion spectacles is why people DO NOT EVER TRUST KNOWN FURRIES. In general, they can't be counted on to have your back and be there for you and appreciate when you have their back and are there for them and get out of it what they should, that sense of the old Golden Rule. To far too many, life is a game, people aren't real with their own feelings, and only the fur's feelings matter. It's all about them and nothing about anyone else. Well, the world looks down on that. And those who don't exactly match, who are socially non-inept, who can manage in the big real world, are going to be ultimately tarred and feathered with the bad reputation of those they shelter.

Time for some tough love for the dipshits.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

I know, it's dumb and not especially funny or accurate, but I can't resist when I see the hat.

Very inaccurate but passing funny, Meat.

I've always been a hat wearer and used to buy fedoras from a now defunct haberdasher in Hartford. I've got a couple leathers and of course the one that matches the zoot suit. You want a zoot that is its own furry reference? Tiger Zoot Wish I had the money but right now I have to manage a road trip to a wedding in Raleigh. (You can ask furs as they frown, "I'm sorry, was this a relative of yours?" I've even thought about buying some wolf pelts off a Russian dealer and having a suit made from those to up the ante.)

The trench was a Christmas present from family and a replacement for the black canvas trench that just got too worn out and didn't match the suit underneath anymore and project managers are usually kind of edgy about offending the client's fashion taste. They WILL comment if your socks don't match exactly in some companies.

The sunglasses? Well that shows my age right there. They're first generation(more or less) Solarshields. You know, the wrap-arounds for people who wear glasses which block almost all peripheral UV, especially handed out by opthamologists after eye work. Generally sold in drug stores that specialize in recuperative and convalescent products for the elderly. I wear them because I'm hypoglycemic and sometimes sensitivity to the light is so great, I get massive headaches. No fashion statement is intended, when you ride the red line in Boston, you go from dark tunnels to brightly lit outside without much warning and hitting Boylston streetside is like a nova in the face.

If I was in my youth again, I'd probably have gotten contacts and bought a nicer pair that wasn't so large. Thanks to the red eye of lens flare, I look like the bastard offspring of the Terminator and Jerry Garcia. *sigh*

The thrilling history of Wayd's hat and sunglasses has me on the edge of my seat. WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT?

Paul · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 138

Perhaps for the sake of public service these boobies of your wife SHOULD be posted for all to see (and tell her I say "thank you, brave lady. <g>), especially by the furries. Perhaps at least that way they can get a good idea what REAL breasts look like instead of porn star silicone waterballoons or the gravity-defying monster jugs that you'd see on any given Scott Alson character.

At least it might encourage them to make their furry pr0n a little more believable.

Even incorporating convincingly-drawn breasts, "believable furry p0rn" will likely remain a contradiction in terms... :wink:

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Uh, Wayd..Im not gonna bash on you but..

you really gotta lose those sunglasses. Those are the sort that 80 year old guys wear. In fact I've never seen anyone else wear them...maybe an old lady with a walker once in a while.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

"post-cataract glasses"

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

Wears beer goggles.

bobby · Rasophore Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 70

I think I last looked at this thread when it had like 6 replies. What is wrong with you people

Natenate · Recusant Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 19

I think I last looked at this thread when it had like 6 replies. What is wrong with you people

Fins · Qualificator Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 25

I've never, ever understood why I see any right-wing views among the furries AT ALL. If you're a furry, that kind of ideological slant makes no sense whatsoever, especially seeing as how the crowd you're cuddling up to is going to think (without fail) that you are a Sexual Deviant and will forever consider you to be The Enemy based on that judgement alone.

The way I see it, furries aren't exactly politically correct. And that means politically incorrect views can surface more easily here than in some other places. It only makes sense to me that this would make furry an ideal format in which to express views that might otherwise be silenced by the "left wing."

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

To return to the topic of Mr Naylor and his enlightened worldview (and also the subtopic of TEH FURIE RIGHT).... some dastardly child-killing leftist scum had the brazen gall to send him a mildly critical email! How dare he!

The ensuing comments after he posted it in his Livejournal are something else.

Don't bring that Bush-bashing bullshit to my journal. Jesus Christ. What a childish thing to say. I'd hope that the intellect of those who partake of this journal would be of a higher caliber than usual. Take it back to your friends on your favorite MUCK or IRC, or wherever those kinds of comments go unchallenged. It's not welcome here.

Words fail me. hlaughlaugurfglub *thud*

tiberian36 · Recusant Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 4

Jay Naylor wrote:
Don't bring that Bush-bashing bullshit to my journal. Jesus Christ. What a childish thing to say. I'd hope that the intellect of those who partake of this journal would be of a higher caliber than usual. Take it back to your friends on your favorite MUCK or IRC, or wherever those kinds of comments go unchallenged. It's not welcome here.

and saying

Jay Naylor wrote:

I'm thankful for the ham in the fridge that will last me for days, and I'm thankful for Jesus who lets me eat the ham, while Jews cannot.

isnt a childish thing to say . This guy is so full of it , his eyes are brown . He's a gay , artist who draws furry porn about cats screwing other cats in the ass ( his earlyer work ) ... and hes Republican ??!? betcha , he dosnt bring up any of those facts around his Republican pals .

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

I think I last looked at this thread when it had like 6 replies. What is wrong with you people

Do you really want an answer to that?

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

You know, that e-mail really wasn't all that solid or smart a criticism (something to be expected coming from another furry and all that). Naylor isn't overtly racist and he may not be racist period. He's just tactless and clueless; being prejudiced without ever realising it. After all, the jewish pork thing comment may have been a joke, but since jokes like that are such solid chunks of anti-funny it's easy to assume the worst.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Naylor isn't overtly racist and he may not be racist period. He's just tactless and clueless; being prejudiced without ever realising it. After all, the jewish pork thing comment may have been a joke, but since jokes like that are such solid chunks of anti-funny it's easy to assume the worst.

It seems to me he is a christian though, right?

I'm sure you know that small percentage of christians that get hung up on the whole 'Jews killed Jesus' idea. Its actually pretty common. If its not overt hostility its usually this subdued disdain or distrustful attitude towards Jews in general.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

It seems to me he is a christian though, right?

Very much so (or, at least he tries to put out that image). As I mentioned, he gets off on that whole old testement "Angel of the Lord Thy God's wrath", flaming swords, and shit like that. His god seems to be part Drill Sargent Hartmann from FULL METAL JACKET, part "Blank-Headed Jehovah" from the Jack Chick comic tracts.

I guess he thinks that if he gets tight with JAY-ZUSS, it'll be OK for him to draw all sorts of shemale furry pr0n. Jeezoids are weird and illogical.

As for the ham comment, judging from what I know about the guy (from personal encounters and conversations), I think he wasn't joking when he said that. I don't think he's a nazi or anything, but he would seem to think that jews will find it harder to get into Heaven than he will.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

Isn't it so odd that some phurries are (A) sicko sleezebags that would make Clive Barker cenobytes nervous ,or (B)Nazis for Jayzus.(It's this kind of narrow psudeo "tolorance"i.e. My beliefs are real,yours suck!-But love me anyway crap that made me such a bitter agnostic in my youth)thank Jah I started hanging around Hippy christians,Jewish pot-heads,and Rastafarians..these folks showed me that you can be a believer without becomming a squinched-up fearful hypocrite! Ireally feel sorry for guys like Jay and "newt" and the other ultra-right big cry babies...poor,lost,foolish little souls.(Jerry)

tiberian36 · Recusant Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 4

he wants to cry and whine about his "Character Flaws" in his livejournal but the moment you show one or say somthing contray to what he thinks , your a leftist loser . this dude is headed for a break down someday .

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

A little off-topic here, but where in heaven's name can you find those wonderful space moose classics. The www.spacemoose.com server has been down for ages.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

A little off-topic here, but where in heaven's name can you find those wonderful space moose classics. The www.spacemoose.com server has been down for ages.

Adam had kept the archives up... Er, shit, they're gone. I just checked my local machine, and can't find them, either. :(

Ah, here ya go.

(Is CYD run on an old pentium? This is like the 10th refresh I've had to do today due to mysql being down - for two posts, and 3 reads!)

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

I think we should have a betting pool to see when exactly Eric Schwartz loses it:10 to one freaks out and shoots a lot of folks,5 to one gets busted by the federales for some tax thingy,50/50 for getting the crap beaten out of him by a lady biker.(Jerry)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I think we should have a betting pool to see when exactly Eric Schwartz loses it:10 to one freaks out and shoots a lot of folks,5 to one gets busted by the federales for some tax thingy,50/50 for getting the crap beaten out of him by a lady biker.(Jerry)

Speaking of the Schwartzmeister, here he is at FC04, and to veer drunkenly back ontopic, here's Jay Naylor, also at FC04. I don't know, I wasn't expecting him to be so young and innocent looking.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

50/50 for getting the crap beaten out of him by a lady biker.(Jerry)

Im gonna have to go with this one just because its the funniest. (well... provided he isnt 'into that' anyway)

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Speaking of the Schwartzmeister, here he is at FC04,

Yep, I'm not surprised to see Singshow or Karabiner (yep, that's him) hanging out with Schwartz. Seems that every friend I ever had that comes across someone like Schwartz, Rund, or Groat sooner or later starts to turn on me shortly after their encounters with either of these guys. Coincidence?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I think we should have a betting pool to see when exactly Eric Schwartz loses it:10 to one freaks out and shoots a lot of folks,5 to one gets busted by the federales for some tax thingy,50/50 for getting the crap beaten out of him by a lady biker.(Jerry)

Speaking of the Schwartzmeister, here he is at FC04, and to veer drunkenly back ontopic, here's Jay Naylor, also at FC04. I don't know, I wasn't expecting him to be so young and innocent looking.

While browsing through the other 2004 Fondlefest pix, one of them made me think of another person:

Yeah! I *knew* he had to be from another planet!

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

Now now, at least the folks getting fondled aren't 12 year old boys. (I hope.)

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Yep, I'm not surprised to see Singshow or Karabiner (yep, that's him) hanging out with Schwartz. Seems that every friend I ever had that comes across someone like Schwartz, Rund, or Groat sooner or later starts to turn on me shortly after their encounters with either of these guys. Coincidence?

quoted for angst

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Yep, I'm not surprised to see Singshow or Karabiner (yep, that's him) hanging out with Schwartz. Seems that every friend I ever had that comes across someone like Schwartz, Rund, or Groat sooner or later starts to turn on me shortly after their encounters with either of these guys. Coincidence?

quoted for angst

Not angst. Fact. Once-good friends coming across one or all of these guys, and they get "infected".

That's what happened with Wolf Kidd (nice guy pre-Rund, became an asshole post-Rund), and I actually remember Chuck "Ferris" Davies BEFORE he started wearing dog collars in public and getting all "yiffy after spending a few weeks with Rund in Cupertino.

And when I spotted some Karabiner ASB art, I knew what was going to happen with him.

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

I have the impression that good artists rarely make good friends, regardless of genre or amount of perversity.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Yep, I'm not surprised to see Singshow or Karabiner (yep, that's him) hanging out with Schwartz. Seems that every friend I ever had that comes across someone like Schwartz, Rund, or Groat sooner or later starts to turn on me shortly after their encounters with either of these guys. Coincidence?

quoted for angst

Yeah, no shit.

I fail to see exactly what your point, or indeed, your statement is here. I know Singshow, and he's quite the nice guy; down to earth, and nothing but a gentleman. Karabiner, I don't know, but he's rather polite.

Singshow and Schwartz have shared tables for as long as I've known them to frequent the same con; that way there's always someone to watch over stuff.

I must say, even back in my "OMG I LOVE SABEEENA ITS AMIGA AND AMIGA IS COOL" phase, I met EWS at, er, what was most likely FC01, I was less than impressed. He smelled horrible; which, being a con, wasn't overly suprising, but he was also covered in filth - I went to purchase a shirt from him in way of 'thanks', and every shirt he had was covered with what's best described as 'lint and other debris'. It looked like someone literally drug them across a filthy floor; and these were the ones that weren't sitting out, but were stacked nicely in a cardboard. Of course, the folios were equally messy. Perhaps he's the real-life reincarnation of pig pen?

When I saw his TDK artistry, though, the 'squeaky clean' image became more than a little tarnished. I believe it was the "Fifi giving Santa head" which did me in.

I have the impression that good artists rarely make good friends, regardless of genre or amount of perversity.

Yes, and no. Of course, everyone has their own issues, hangups, and so forth - the biggest part to being a friend is not to get caught up in their shit; this includes fanboyism. You're doing no one: Yourself, or them a favor, by being a drooling stain of shit who licks their ass.

I know Remes, Aronen, and Singshow, and consider them all to be good friends. They're also quite accomplished artists in their field of furry debaucher - regardless, I'm certain the only reason we may remain friends is that I'm not drooling over their shit, and it (our friendship) has absolutely nothing to do with their abilities.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Yeah, no shit.

I fail to see exactly what your point, or indeed, your statement is here. I know Singshow, and he's quite the nice guy; down to earth, and nothing but a gentleman.

Of course, you've never been backstabbed by them and seen the side of them that they don't want the furry masses to see, so that might be why you're not relating.

Karabiner, I don't know, but he's rather polite.

See my previous quote.

Singshow and Schwartz have shared tables for as long as I've known them to frequent the same con; that way there's always someone to watch over stuff.

I must say, even back in my "OMG I LOVE SABEEENA ITS AMIGA AND AMIGA IS COOL" phase, I met EWS at, er, what was most likely FC01, I was less than impressed. He smelled horrible; which, being a con, wasn't overly suprising, but he was also covered in filth - I went to purchase a shirt from him in way of 'thanks', and every shirt he had was covered with what's best described as 'lint and other debris'. It looked like someone literally drug them across a filthy floor; and these were the ones that weren't sitting out, but were stacked nicely in a cardboard. Of course, the folios were equally messy. Perhaps he's the real-life reincarnation of pig pen?

Never thought that Eric was a slob. Bloaty? Yes. Conceited? Obviously! But it never occured to me that the guy could also smell as much like a swine as he resembles one. I guess I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Now my already-low opinion of the guy has crashed through Satan's ceiling and landed on top of his pool table.

When I saw his TDK artistry, though, the 'squeaky clean' image became more than a little tarnished. I believe it was the "Fifi giving Santa head" which did me in.

It was the "Gadget being used like a wankrag by a full-sized human" pic that did me in.

Of course, Eric probably though he was exempt from any standards that other toon pr0n artists have to bear, because he's ERIC FREAKING SCHWARTZ. (Or should I say, his evil twin, TDK).

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Of course, Eric probably though HE was exempt from any standards that other toon pr0n artists have to bear, because he's ERIC FREAKING SCHWARTZ.

That's pretty much my assessment. "I'm so squeaky clean that by doing this, I can not only unleash a monster, but it'll never come back to bite me on the ass! I mean, I draw Sabrina On-Line, dammit! Who cares if I just do one, two, er, ok, maybe a few more underage characters in my fantasies? Oooh, this one needs more tentacles... and Gadget needs to get screwed... SCREWED! WITH A SCREW! THAT'S BRILLIANT!"

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Continuing on in the Naylor saga: I've decided that he is setting the character's species based upon "ethnicities"; at least in "Better Days".

Cats are the all-powerful creature, came over from Europe. :roll:
Mice are the Jews.
Hyenas are his wonderful take on Black folk.
So, what're we going to have for Orientals? Carp?

Since "Flounce" is his semi-faggy-yet-not-totally-faggy character which many see is a personification of himself; does this mean on off days, he's a gay Jew? :twisted:

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

WTF? Did I miss something? This is way over my head.

tiberian36 · Recusant Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 4

naw , Flounce is jay Naylor’s boy-toy / gay mouse character he draws . And yes in his comic he seems to draw ethnic groups according animal race. Blacks being those violent hyenas. ( lol original ) . And while we are on the subject on Naylor . Anyone just notice, he deleted the post from the guy that said he was Delusional from his live journal ? wow this guy is said ( he’s a furry , duh ) he couldn’t take some one getting a jab in at him . so he deletes part of the tread to make it look like he Verbally dominated the guy .

gezzzzzz....

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

wow this guy is said ( he’s a furry , duh ) he couldn’t take some one getting a jab in at him . so he deletes part of the tread to make it look like he Verbally dominated the guy .

sorta recently 2_gryphon tried pulling the same shit on Harpold and that crowd on his livejournal, and came out lookin like a dumbass

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

naw , Flounce is jay Naylor’s boy-toy / gay mouse character he draws . And yes in his comic he seems to draw ethnic groups according animal race. Blacks being those violent hyenas. ( lol original )

Ah. All I noticed was one day, Flounce was some gay mouse, and in the next advertisment for his folio, whatever it was called, had it and some femme cat thing. It's hard to tell, though; Naylor's creations are almost more transparently interchangable than O'Connell.

sorta recently 2_gryphon tried pulling the same shit on Harpold and that crowd on his livejournal, and came out lookin like a dumbass

Making a loudmouth furry look stupid is kind of pointless, though; they'll do it themselves, give 'em ten minutes.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

:roll: You are still mentioning me in your posts after all this time Collins?
Damn son, why don't you move on with your life.(Such as it is)

However, oh Wizard of Welfare, if you miss me and long for my return
to CYD then just say so.
Don't be coy about it sweetie:)

Doubt that I would do so, but at least you know I care!!
OXOXOXOX

Newt

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

Yes, and no. Of course, everyone has their own issues, hangups, and so forth - the biggest part to being a friend is not to get caught up in their shit; this includes fanboyism. You're doing no one: Yourself, or them a favor, by being a drooling stain of shit who licks their ass.

I know Remes, Aronen, and Singshow, and consider them all to be good friends. They're also quite accomplished artists in their field of furry debaucher - regardless, I'm certain the only reason we may remain friends is that I'm not drooling over their shit, and it (our friendship) has absolutely nothing to do with their abilities.

1.Singshow I do not know, but Remes and Aronen are considered also my good friends, as I would say, the ones you encounter rarely.

2.And I don't like suck-ups either. There is a thin red line between a drooling browntongue and a backstabber.

3.The nasty part in an artist being anus grande is that they're too caught up in their own shit.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

:roll: You are still mentioning me in your posts after all this time Collins?
Damn son, why don't you move on with your life.(Such as it is)

However, oh Wizard of Welfare, if you miss me and long for my return
to CYD then just say so.
Don't be coy about it sweetie:)

Doubt that I would do so, but at least you know I care!!
OXOXOXOX

Newt

Ummm… Why are you still reading his posts and this BBS if you've moved on?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

:roll: You are still mentioning me in your posts after all this time Collins?
Damn son, why don't you move on with your life.(Such as it is)

However, oh Wizard of Welfare, if you miss me and long for my return
to CYD then just say so.
Don't be coy about it sweetie:)

Doubt that I would do so, but at least you know I care!!
OXOXOXOX

Newt

Is it okay to feed a troll like you if I lace it with cyanide?

tiberian36 · Recusant Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 4

You are still mentioning me in your posts after all this time Collins?
Damn son, why don't you move on with your life.(Such as it is)

However, oh Wizard of Welfare, if you miss me and long for my return
to CYD then just say so.
Don't be coy about it sweetie:)

Doubt that I would do so, but at least you know I care!!
OXOXOXOX

who is this masked retard ? and why is bothering jerry ?

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

who is this masked retard ? and why is bothering jerry ?

He's the guy who threw a berserk fit and stormed out of the forums because we insulted minerva mink. And yes, that is completely fucking pathetic.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

1.Singshow I do not know, but Remes and Aronen are considered also my good friends, as I would say, the ones you encounter rarely.

3.The nasty part in an artist being anus grande is that they're too caught up in their own shit.

8) so, can you make me a wolf ok

No, but seriously, I've noticed that. People getting swept up so deeply within their own bullshit drama of their own invention; which is usually persecution of some sort - it used to amuse me somewhat, but when it's a globalised issue, it's just fucking pathetic.

2's rants that people hate him because he 'speaks his mind'; rather, is a retarded shit-spewing wankstain who should generally just shut the fuck up once in awhile. I don't know him personally, but after listening to his attempts at a 'broadcast' over a few weeks; I reserve the right to dislike his views. Reverand Ivan Stang, you are not.

FredrykPhox's self-depreciating flash, mpegs, and such are the only ones I can stomach, because he makes it obvious that he's just being a fucking retard - to the point of coming out and saying, "It's just a joke, people." An amusing troll's quite a bit more enjoyable than a whiny retard.

He's the guy who threw a berserk fit and stormed out of the forums because we insulted minerva mink. And yes, that is completely fucking pathetic.

What? I mean... what the fuck? Minerva was a bit character, with two shows in the entire run of Animaniacs. The rest were cameos, and were few and far between. What's next? A new stalker because I said "People who worship that Foxglove thing really need to turn off the tube and get out more?"

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

Could you link me to 2's site or something please? He's a good friend of Pink Fairy Lotus so I've heard alot about him over the past 2 or 3 years.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Could you link me to 2's site or something please? He's a good friend of Pink Fairy Lotus so I've heard alot about him over the past 2 or 3 years.

http://www.werewolves.org/~two/

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

so, can you make me a wolf ok

Andrew Rinaldi, ah. He was the subject on a thread some time back and I thought that the picture and his quotations were very very LOL and a perfect forum user theme.

No, but seriously, I've noticed that. People getting swept up so deeply within their own bullshit drama of their own invention; which is usually persecution of some sort - it used to amuse me somewhat, but when it's a globalised issue, it's just fucking pathetic.

I know, I've written some good songs (in my opinion and taste) and my ego has been growing ever since. But no drama involved. 2:s rants are just plain retarded, although I enjoy fredryk's flash animations.

Jerry Collins · Coadjutor Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 162

HERR HYNKLE HAS RETURNED TO TOMANIA!OH JOY!Well,NEWT,I didn't know you cared!I guess finding out your radio god Mr. Limbaugher cheezey is a bigger dope fiend than 9/10ths the populace of Amsterdam sent you over the edge?Nicht war ,Herr gruppen fuher?you need to get laid son!(Jerry)

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

But of course I care, Jerry. That is why I'm making this final
post, just for you:) I wouldnt do this for just anyone, so try
to show a tad of grace when or if you reply;)

As far as my man Rush,..um,..so the hell what? He became
addicted to pain killers given him by his doctors, as have
MANY people too. Uh,..what's YOUR excuse, sir?
For that matter,..what the fuck was my excuse for my own
excesses where drugs & booze were involved?
Huh,..the same as yours, Jerry C.
We both wanted to get HIGH!!
The difference between us is that I will admit my mistakes
in my choices in life, and at least make an attempt to
rectify them.
How about you?;)

Face it, o Wizard. You only attacked me (Via my favorite char)
due to my political views, & that's cool with me. I can't stand
your warped & dark vision of how you think the world should
be anymore than you can stomache my own correct & moral
conception of society as I would choose it if I had the power
to effect such a change.
You wrote you felt sorry for me,....no sir,...quite the opposite
I think.

Ya see, I really do care!!

Newt.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

But of course I care, Jerry. That is why I'm making this final
post, just for you:) I wouldnt do this for just anyone, so try
to show a tad of grace when or if you reply;)

As far as my man Rush,..um,..so the hell what? He became
addicted to pain killers given him by his doctors, as have
MANY people too. Uh,..what's YOUR excuse, sir?
For that matter,..what the fuck was my excuse for my own
excesses where drugs & booze were involved?
Huh,..the same as yours, Jerry C.
We both wanted to get HIGH!!
The difference between us is that I will admit my mistakes
in my choices in life, and at least make an attempt to
rectify them.
How about you?;)

Face it, o Wizard. You only attacked me (Via my favorite char)
due to my political views, & that's cool with me. I can't stand
your warped & dark vision of how you think the world should
be anymore than you can stomache my own correct & moral
conception of society as I would choose it if I had the power
to effect such a change.
You wrote you felt sorry for me,....no sir,...quite the opposite
I think.

Ya see, I really do care!!

Newt.

You're forgetting one important ting, Mr Newt, and that is the fact that the character known as Minerva Mink is a skank ho - a skank ho that you threw a hissy fit over last time we called her a skank ho, thereby nullifying anything intelligent you will ever have to say. You could discover a working unified field theory or pioneer a groundbreaking philosophical revolution for all I care, but it still won't change the fact that YOU WENT APESHIT WHEN WE MADE FUN OF A FICTIONAL CHARACTER.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

As far as my man Rush,..um,..so the hell what? He became
addicted to pain killers given him by his doctors, as have
MANY people too. Uh,..what's YOUR excuse, sir?

Ummm. Rush limbaugh forged prescritions and went to many doctors to falsely obtain prescription only drugs.

that's a CRIMINAL OFFENCE. HTH.

You only attacked me (Via my favorite char)

BRAVE MEN WILL BE LEAD TO DEATH LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER!!!

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

:?: Ah,..but Mr. Genghis, what is the more pathetic
of the two, defending a fictional character or calling
said character names, much like a child in a
schoolyard would do? Hmmmm?

Incidentally, I don't recall ever having sought nor
asking for your approval, sir.

Damn,..and I promised Jerry my previous post
would be my last!
Eh,..just like us right-wingers,...can't trust us to
ever keep our word;)

NOW I'm finished!

"Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of Heaven,
'cause it hasn't!"

Newt

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

But of course I care, Jerry. That is why I'm making this final
post,.

Can I be the one that gets to slam the door on Newt's butt? Huh? CanIcanIcanIcanI PLEEEEEEASE?

And BTW, you said that you were making your final post (and you were supposed to be dedicating it to Jerry), and there you go and belch out another one to Genghis too, ya HUSSY!).

You're officially proven a LIAR now. Why should we believe ANYthing you say from now on?

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

:?: Ah,..but Mr. Genghis, what is the more pathetic
of the two, defending a fictional character or calling
said character names, much like a child in a
schoolyard would do? Hmmmm?

Hmmmmmm... wait... almost got it...

Nope, I'm pretty sure getting defensive on behalf of something that doesn't exist is the more pathetic of the two.

Also: FAG.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Nope, I'm pretty sure getting defensive on behalf of something that doesn't exist is the more pathetic of the two.

My vote, wether asked for or not, is arguing about it on the internet. :twisted:

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

My vote, wether asked for or not, is arguing about it on the internet.

I'll definitely vote for that.

So, it seems as it's 3-0 for defending an imaginatory character.

Never take childrens tv too seriously, because if you do, you might either be working in the childrens animation field or be a RETARD.

Are you working in the childrens animation field, newton?

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

gah

...hate..that ..image

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

This thread is officially a disaster of epic proportions.