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Big-E6

Posted: 7/18/2003 7:04:24 PM     Post subject: I like this place  

First, I'd like to saw that after looking through this webpage and forum, I know ALOT more about about the subject of furries that I have and the past. even though, I have been familear with the subject for years now, I just happened to find this site soon after the feelings I begin to feel like I resent the fandom a bit, And this is when I knew almost nothing. Bacically.

I'm A furry Fan, I just feel pretty icky to be called "a furry" because it basically like being called an Otaku in Japan, and I'm sure most people do. The only aspect of the fandom that has even garnished my attention was the art, g rated or otherwise.

I kind of know how you guys feel here, but I still don't agree with everything. Alot of people see to have it in for very well know artist, like Eric Schwartz easily. That people was very present in the community but seemed as though he wasn't there. So basically, I just made my own picture of him as a very odinarly looking person that everyone liked, for his comics and porn on the side. Now that I go to this site, I find out people actually don't like him and I see images if his appearance. He really seems to portray the steriotypes assoisated to the whole thing to be honest. I still havent judge him from the information here, because I need more than a webside that talks about a parson to know him. However, this does confirm that feeling that I would not wan't to be in the power of influeance that he has now, which I thought would be a cool thing breifly in the past but it's really a big mistake. I'll say Eric is the only human being that can handle the kind of title he works.

Anyways I guess I'll show some of the work I have been doing. Some anime, and some furry. I think my art
will describe myself even further.
http://big-e6.deviantart.com/

A basic oppinion on my work would be appreciated if you got any.

This site here (devinatart) is actually where anrtho/furry fans began to bother me a bit. Not all people though. It's just some of the very radical people though that defend every last thing, even if the opposers make some logical points for not likeing it, which thay even have the right to say, so it does spawn arguments that the can be a bit entertaining. basically the fans in this one site is a micro comparison to the fans to the entire internet, In my oppinion.


Here some images that caused alot of discussion underneath them.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1520287
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1575174


I should probably not type so much. I think I shared about as much as I could. feel free to ask questions.

Tussan

Posted: 7/18/2003 7:30:26 PM     Post subject:  

lets see..

the second pic u displayed looked mildly erotic.. but not as disturbing.
the first one did a little.

the humaniod furry art don't really get interesting for me..

DA

Posted: 7/18/2003 7:34:47 PM     Post subject: I like your art.  

The first one's a riot and the second one is charmingly playful.

You defintely have talent, though you could do with a little firming up of your anatomy :)

Big-E6

Posted: 7/18/2003 7:45:21 PM     Post subject: Re: I like your art.  

The first one's a riot and the second one is charmingly playful.

You defintely have talent, though you could do with a little firming up of your anatomy :)


Thanks. Just to make sure everyone else knows, Those two images were just examples of peoples feelings and interactions among each other. Those two pics were not in my own portfolio.

Big-E6

Posted: 7/18/2003 7:47:53 PM     Post subject:  

lets see..


the humaniod furry art don't really get interesting for me..


That's almost the only thing that can possably be most serious about anything furry. I wonder why you like this forum though, just curious.

mouse

Posted: 7/18/2003 9:28:46 PM     Post subject:  

i thought the first one you posted was cool, probably because it makes a statement, which for the most part i agree with , and the pictures funny

i understand what people mean about the 2nd...
but i dunno, i dont like anime

you see, me and anime had a falling out in the late 90's

dont get me wrong at first things were great
akira, bean bandit, ninja scroll

then all this bullshit started ninja scroll 2, gundam wing, giant robots, empty storylines the list goes on and on, i just couldnt take it

needless to say we dont talk at all anymore,
occasionally we see each other at the mall , but theres the restraining order and everything else

anime...that bitch

Swipecat

Posted: 7/18/2003 9:57:01 PM     Post subject:  

Big-E6, it's actually a bit pointless resenting the fandom - the real image problem lies in the fact that you're an adult that likes anthropomorphics. My experience of furry fandom is that they're mostly professional types that treat the conventions as an excuse to let their hair down and have a party. Sure there are weirdos, but they're not significantly greater in proportion than with many other fandoms.

It makes no difference - outsiders are always going think it's strange. I'm also only into the artistic side of the furry fandom, but I'd not gain much by giving myself a different label - "Anthro fan" or some such. This link is the best explanation for the reason that I've come across:
[url>http://slumbering.lungfish.com/index.php?p=entry.1030122463

Anonymous

Posted: 7/18/2003 11:13:45 PM     Post subject:  

Big-E6, it's actually a bit pointless resenting the fandom - the real image problem lies in the fact that you're an adult that likes anthropomorphics. My experience of furry fandom is that they're mostly professional types that treat the conventions as an excuse to let their hair down and have a party. Sure there are weirdos, but they're not significantly greater in proportion than with many other fandoms.


That's true. The only way it won't bother me is if I wanted out, But I don't feel like I want to do that right now, so basically I'll have to grit through the short comings.

Anonymous

Posted: 7/18/2003 11:18:14 PM     Post subject:  

i thought the first one you posted was cool, probably because it makes a statement, which for the most part i agree with , and the pictures funny

i understand what people mean about the 2nd...
but i dunno, i dont like anime

you see, me and anime had a falling out in the late 90's

dont get me wrong at first things were great
akira, bean bandit, ninja scroll

then all this bullshit started ninja scroll 2, gundam wing, giant robots, empty storylines the list goes on and on, i just couldnt take it

needless to say we dont talk at all anymore,
occasionally we see each other at the mall , but theres the restraining order and everything else

anime...that bitch


Looking at the titles that you seem to like alot, I can seen why you no longer do anime. They have changed and the shows like those aren't created anymore. I think the part of the problem is that there's possably too much anime these days showing up.

discojesus

Posted: 7/19/2003 4:41:47 AM     Post subject:  

There's lots of good anime if you're willing to dig for it. The shit that gets released stateside on Cartoon Network usually leaves a little something to be desired, but I personally haven't seen any huge changes on the anime front for a while.

Of course, I always thought <i>Ninja Scroll</i> was a piece of shit, and the only anime I've watched in the last few years has been fansubbed. If you're looking for anime that doesn't suck, join an anime club and see what they come up with. I'm no expert, but I don't think anime has changed all that much in Japan in the past 10 years. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, I mostly just want to say that anime fans scare me more than furries. That is all.

mouse

Posted: 7/19/2003 6:11:18 AM     Post subject: discojeebus  

dont get me wrong ninja scroll *2* was the worst piece of shit ive ever wasted money renting
it was long 15 minutes long, bizarre , stupid, involved some weird christion shit
i cant even remember most of it

i was unaware of and dont reallycare about any ninja scroll fans i guess
cuz apperently who ever created it flushed it down the toilet,

but as far as looking for anime i dunno
id rather just keep it to that triple entente listed there, thats all i need
i got some backup stuff which would be liek wicked city maybe, i been away from it for a while so its hard to remember some of the other stuff

vampire hunter D, and a shorter one i think it was called running man , bout a race car driver in the future. it was very surreal , pretty cool stuff

maybe this is all in my head but i started getting the feeling when id talk about akira (since damn near everyone has seen akira) that "elitist" anime fans, kind of shun it or its liek that since they watch other stuff blahl blah
or a lot of non-anime fans liek akira

and it just put me int he mindset of, hey , akira is so damn popular because it is clearly a work of absolute genius , it should be your BASE, your FOUNDATION from which everythign else is built on ...fuckers

real contemporary-timeperiod-setting stuff seems to me to be few and far between , (bean bandit is really the only thing i ever seen...)other than lupin the 3rd, which i guess is ok too, but its got that old speed-racer animation style which im not totally in love with
and ninja scroll is really the only feudal japan-timeperiod one ive seen
with monsters magic etc

inuyashsa aint bad but dont have time to watch a series
dragonball z was pretty awesome..altho this is the type of thing for me thats starting to wear out its welcome, they should have ended a little earlier
when you got a guy cutting a fucking PLANET in half, i just dont wanna see anyone more powerful than that, that should have been last dbz episode EVER and i would be happy with that

hmm the more i post the more anime i realize i like
im gonna stop now

mouse

Posted: 7/19/2003 7:21:00 AM     Post subject: here (a little bit off topic)  

before i forget here is something you all may find interesting

[url>http://www.24fightingchickens.com/japan/index.html

rob redmond's story of his trip to japan, he lived there for a few years
gives ALOT of insight into the culture

it appears hes a writing a book now so most of the chapters are gone (i think, you can look for yourself)...but i read all that was here before (14 chapters) and if this thing gets published i highly recommend it

my bro's teaching himself written japanese thinks maybe one day gonna live there (japan) for a little while and was looking into stuff like this. he had me check it out, its very well written. this is a very good resource if you ever want to visit or live in japan

(this guys into martial arts so its nothing about animation, go read it anyway)

Inazuma

Posted: 7/19/2003 7:32:15 AM     Post subject: The Evil of Anime! (and mebbe Japan!)  

Don't try to live in Japan unless you're really, really serious and have a LOT of money. e.e;
Sounds discouraging, but this way you can make plans faster. It's best to take those VISA-trips and stay for a few months and stuff.
But while you're there, why not visit Korea and China! ... The non-dangerous parts!

Anyway, the reason Anime is beginning to falter is the same reason for the demand. It's all business. As much as it seems like it, Asia doesn't respect or like America much (all countries copy things, so that doesn't have anything to do with opinion or emotion) - and America sure loves it's Anime.

It doesn't matter that some people don't - it's one of the most massive trends to hit the US and therefore one of the greatest chances to make easy money. Hell, if you can scribble in a decent Anime-style you could sell that too.

The result? Half-assed quality being pumped out because they know it'll at least make a little more money than what was put in it. Plus because of Korean companies, animation is growing a great deal cheaper.

I sound like a know-it-all do I!? Well fie on you, just because I'm sharing knowledge in a non-elitist manner! Just kidding. I have to say that - you end up making precautions when one deals with too many of a particular type of peoples.

Anonymous

Posted: 7/19/2003 8:00:52 AM     Post subject:  

thats exactly what redmond has to say, they had $5000 and almost completely failed, they were worried about being completely stranded over there

i think when they landed in japan, it was right when the bubble burst, so theycouldnt get jobs, couldnt find a place to stay , they were staying in shelters, going through thier money at an unbelievable rate


hima nd his wife were amazingly lucky to have pulled it off

and he gets into all the other stuff that happened
racism, culture shock , etc

Jerry Collins

Posted: 7/19/2003 3:06:05 PM     Post subject: welcome Big E-6  

re:Japan:If I had the money and time,and a friend who could act as a translater,I'd love to visit..not stay....I had heard a lot of un-fun things about living there (If you think American society has some uptight,hypocritical,racist,sexist, jerks lording it over other people,theyr'e Far worse in Japan..Why do you think Tezuka,Matsumoto and Miyazaki"s works constantly prang against bigotry and snobbery? Even they were sick of it!It's not as bad as it used to be,but still prevelant.)No,if I had the chance..I'd probably try Austrailia or New Zeland instead,stiil it would be nice to visit with Miyazaki or Matsumoto,or give my respects at Tezuka's grave-site..but live in Japan?OWCH!Too exspensive,too many hassles.NO disrespect to the folks that do live there.It's just not worth my time,and certainly not the time of the Japanese.If I was rich as Bill Gates..maybe.though the Netherlands seems more fun (Amsterdam in particular)Vast art museums,great resturants,fun,inexpensive places to go, the "Coffee"shops(yeah buddy!)nice ,mellow tolorant folks (there's a few anti-foreigner types,but they make even the Dutch sick),REALLY CUTE GIRLS IN RUBBER(the fetish scene in Holland is a lot more frank and mellow and responsible than here in the states)and it's closer to home....that ,and I always wanted my own pair of wooden shoes!(yeah,I know..that's terminally touristy,but what the hey.(Jer)
The New Meat

Posted: 7/19/2003 6:46:23 PM     Post subject:  

One thing that always pisses me is the "OMG JAPAN HAS BUDDHA AND TENCHI AND IS GREAT AMERICA SUCKS" attitude that a lot of those damn kids have these day. I lived over there for a little while (Parents worked with the Foreign Service, you see, so the gubmint paid our way) and pretty much everything that's been said about the flaws in Japanese society was true in my experience.
Speaking as a stupid American yokel who blundered around there with no real understanding of the culture or its people, it's got to be the most insane country on earth. They pay people to pave riverbeds and hold San Rio theme weddings and everywhere you turn you just see fried squid and Hello Kitty Vibrators and anyone who's not totally Japanese is still a "foreign devil" and then you've got that whole war crime denial culture still going on. Pissed me off royally.

But I'm just ranting now. I'm sure there are plenty of good things about Japan, too. Like Godzilla.

As for anime, it's a mixed bag, just like US cartoons. Personally, I like the extremely stupid "Battle Athletes" style brain candy. Then again, my opinion probably doesn't mean much, seeing as I was the only person I know who didn't jizz himself over "Evangelion." WOW BLATANT JUDEO-CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM DEEP

Anonymous

Posted: 7/19/2003 7:30:18 PM     Post subject: Re: The Evil of Anime! (and mebbe Japan!)  

Don't try to live in Japan unless you're really, really serious and have a LOT of money. e.e;
Sounds discouraging, but this way you can make plans faster. It's best to take those VISA-trips and stay for a few months and stuff.
But while you're there, why not visit Korea and China! ... The non-dangerous parts!


One of the politicians in the ruling party of Japan just said something to the effect that Korea was not colonised, It was voluntarily unified in 1910 and the united nations approved (despite the fact it didn’t exist at that time) and so on and so on.

Of course here, too many British historians and columnists want to blabber about how wonderful the British empire was, When all that it really contributed to the world was the buggering up of Africa, the current problems in the middle east and the concentration camp (used in the boer war)

China is probably the world’s most free market capitalist country (Karl Marx would now be rotating so fast in his grave that you could hook a turbine up to him and generate enough electricity for the whole of south east England), which combines the free market attribute of making the poor poorer and the rich richer with the oppressive political control and institionalisted torture and execution (for example Falun gong) of communism.

The key is not going anywhere bad, That is to say, Staying at home. Unless you live in any country in the west, the third world or anywhere except for, The international space station, Although even that mind was built of the backs of the workers.
Perhaps the moon eh?

Big-E6

Posted: 7/21/2003 4:57:48 AM     Post subject: True.  

One thing that always pisses me is the "OMG JAPAN HAS BUDDHA AND TENCHI AND IS GREAT AMERICA SUCKS" attitude that a lot of those damn kids have these day. I lived over there for a little while (Parents worked with the Foreign Service, you see, so the gubmint paid our way) and pretty much everything that's been said about the flaws in Japanese society was true in my experience.


Someone I know who has visited Japan shorty Got tangled inbetween an incident when he noticed a guy next to him at some transport station trying to brush up on a young school girl improperly, but the guy accidelty touched my friend somehow and got a I'm going to beat you down look because of it (my friend said people thought he looks like a sumo wrestler in Japan). He said there was alot of people like that where he was. I kind of figured it was that way too, I know anime is a sad example, but alot of things in it has reflected on older men liking girls that are too young.

mouse

Posted: 7/21/2003 5:20:16 AM     Post subject:  

speaking of american cartoons

whats with tartakofsky's and mccracken's (sp??) hostile takeover of the cartoon network

i mean i liked thier stuff originally...right up until they started spinning off every single microscopic character in any program into thier own30 min show

damn


i dont have time to watch alot of tv, but what i would like to watch is a tex avery block of cartoons
ren and stimpy

GOOD stuff

tom and jerry, back when they had sort of almond shaped heads

before jerry got turned turned into a goon with a massive dome
(dont get me wrong i like them anyway)

an immediate halt to all uhm i dunno what youd even call it
pup named scooby doo, baby looney toons, tom n jerry kids

when they totally bastardize the original show

you knwo what im talkin about

Jerry Collins

Posted: 7/21/2003 5:37:30 AM     Post subject: kudos to all  

Thank you everybody for a fasinating exchange! Wonderful points and intelligent,mature,funny,thought provoking ideas!Thank you all again! THIS is why I got on this site,and I'm glad Newt didn't chase me off!I am so GLAD I decided to stay!JAH is good boys & girls!THANK YOU!THANK YOU! THANK YOU!This is the ol' fart hisself,signing off for the night(Jer)
Anonymous

Posted: 8/2/2003 6:27:46 AM     Post subject: Re: I like this place  

First, I'd like to saw that after looking through this webpage and forum, I know ALOT more about about the subject of furries that I have and the past. even though, I have been familear with the subject for years now, I just happened to find this site soon after the feelings I begin to feel like I resent the fandom a bit, And this is when I knew almost nothing. Bacically.

I'm A furry Fan, I just feel pretty icky to be called "a furry" because it basically like being called an Otaku in Japan, and I'm sure most people do. The only aspect of the fandom that has even garnished my attention was the art, g rated or otherwise.

I kind of know how you guys feel here, but I still don't agree with everything. Alot of people see to have it in for very well know artist, like Eric Schwartz easily. That people was very present in the community but seemed as though he wasn't there. So basically, I just made my own picture of him as a very odinarly looking person that everyone liked, for his comics and porn on the side. Now that I go to this site, I find out people actually don't like him and I see images if his appearance. He really seems to portray the steriotypes assoisated to the whole thing to be honest. I still havent judge him from the information here, because I need more than a webside that talks about a parson to know him. However, this does confirm that feeling that I would not wan't to be in the power of influeance that he has now, which I thought would be a cool thing breifly in the past but it's really a big mistake. I'll say Eric is the only human being that can handle the kind of title he works.

Anyways I guess I'll show some of the work I have been doing. Some anime, and some furry. I think my art
will describe myself even further.
http://big-e6.deviantart.com/

A basic oppinion on my work would be appreciated if you got any.

This site here (devinatart) is actually where anrtho/furry fans began to bother me a bit. Not all people though. It's just some of the very radical people though that defend every last thing, even if the opposers make some logical points for not likeing it, which thay even have the right to say, so it does spawn arguments that the can be a bit entertaining. basically the fans in this one site is a micro comparison to the fans to the entire internet, In my oppinion.


Here some images that caused alot of discussion underneath them.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1520287
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1575174


I should probably not type so much. I think I shared about as much as I could. feel free to ask questions.



Well this site is a good example of what happens when a person becomes too popular, you'll get folks ready to knock them down. Of course you have to take what those who write articles with a grain of salt since their own personal work is just as equal of not surpassing that of the person they are slamming (like a certain artists fetish for bondage deer).

The best way to actually make a judgement on someone is to actually meet them in person. If this site stock to just judging the person's work then their 'critiques' could be taken more seriously, but since many of their articles are laced with personal attacks on the person in question be it their character or physical appearance then its clear its just a rant site filled with childish jealousy.

Personally I always found it interesting how those who claim to hate something feel the need to not only create a website for it declaring how they hate something/someone but will give you (the viewing public) more links to that material they so hate than you probably would have even thought of or found on your own. If anything, they're only helping to spread the knowledge about such subject matters by giving us the links to stuff we probably didn't even know existed before hand. Good job guys.

mouse

Posted: 8/2/2003 7:16:28 AM     Post subject:  

Well this site is a good example of what happens when a person becomes too popular, you'll get folks ready to knock them down. Of course you have to take what those who write articles with a grain of salt since their own personal work is just as equal of not surpassing that of the person they are slamming (like a certain artists fetish for bondage deer).


I dont personally give a shit about schwartz either way, but it seems to me reasons have always been given for what is said.

btw, did you have to quote that whole fucking post to refer to such a small part of it? particularly when youre just draging this jerry collins grudge match across the board anyway? hes not here right now , so dont expect any responses from him for a while (read forum: suggestions-what not to wear to ac'04- post by m. hirtes)

Personally I always found it interesting how those who claim to hate something feel the need to not only create a website for it declaring how they hate something/someone but will give you (the viewing public) more links to that material they so hate than you probably would have even thought of or found on your own. If anything, they're only helping to spread the knowledge about such subject matters by giving us the links to stuff we probably didn't even know existed before hand. Good job guys.


well i kind of agree with you here, but i wouldnt classify CYD as a "rant" site, nor a "hate" site. how you ever managed to reach those conclusions is a mystery to me

i got bad news for you though...if your trying to hide "secrets" about the fandom ... dont bother - people WILL find out, and it will just make you look worse

Anonymous

Posted: 8/2/2003 4:45:19 PM     Post subject:  

Well this site is a good example of what happens when a person becomes too popular, you'll get folks ready to knock them down. Of course you have to take what those who write articles with a grain of salt since their own personal work is just as equal of not surpassing that of the person they are slamming (like a certain artists fetish for bondage deer).


I dont personally give a shit about schwartz either way, but it seems to me reasons have always been given for what is said.

btw, did you have to quote that whole fucking post to refer to such a small part of it? particularly when youre just draging this jerry collins grudge match across the board anyway? hes not here right now , so dont expect any responses from him for a while (read forum: suggestions-what not to wear to ac'04- post by m. hirtes)

Personally I always found it interesting how those who claim to hate something feel the need to not only create a website for it declaring how they hate something/someone but will give you (the viewing public) more links to that material they so hate than you probably would have even thought of or found on your own. If anything, they're only helping to spread the knowledge about such subject matters by giving us the links to stuff we probably didn't even know existed before hand. Good job guys.


well i kind of agree with you here, but i wouldnt classify CYD as a "rant" site, nor a "hate" site. how you ever managed to reach those conclusions is a mystery to me

i got bad news for you though...if your trying to hide "secrets" about the fandom ... dont bother - people WILL find out, and it will just make you look worse



Nah, not trying to hide anything just pointing out some kittles for these pots to date. And I came to that conclusion by simply reading the articles on the site. Not too hard. And why cut, let folks see everything that preceeded. This doesn't BOTHER you does it?

Anonymous

Posted: 8/2/2003 6:53:25 PM     Post subject: Re: I like this place  

Well this site is a good example of what happens when a person becomes too popular, you'll get folks ready to knock them down. Of course you have to take what those who write articles with a grain of salt since their own personal work is just as equal of not surpassing that of the person they are slamming (like a certain artists fetish for bondage deer).

Big dfference here - Jerry Collins has been pretty open about his kinky personal work, unlike your man Schwartz, and I can't see how the heck his deer babes can even get near -- never mind surpass -- jizz-gulping Tiny Toons characters. Unless that is the latter are acceptable to you and bondage deer are not in which case you have some pretty freaky standards.

mouse

Posted: 8/3/2003 4:42:02 AM     Post subject:  

Nah, not trying to hide anything just pointing out some kittles for these pots to date. And I came to that conclusion by simply reading the articles on the site. Not too hard. And why cut, let folks see everything that preceeded. This doesn't BOTHER you does it?


bother me? not at all, i point it out because Big-E6 started this thread to point out the large amount of discussion caused by 2 particular pieces of furry art on DeviantArt, and to get some input on his own anime stuff.

In fact, he even went on to clarify that in a later post.

as far as letting everyone read it...most of its irrelevant to your post and the message still exists in this thread, if they want to see it in context its not hard, its the first message in the thread

particularly when youre just draging this jerry collins grudge match across the board


you must have missed that part

you said the same stuff over in the help forum (the eric schwartz response thread)

edit: i might as well ask...

why do you keep refering to his stuff as bondage?

i dont recall ever seeing anything that i would actually call a "bondage" picture

usually his deers are wearing just black leather and standing there, and the dress is more similiar to a military uniform than bondage gear
in fact sometimes that exactly the context that its in (a military one)

some of them have a sort of dominatrix look but its not too often that you see his characters actually tied up, restrained or gagged or any of that shit (in fact i havent seen anythign that was that bad at all)

Anonymous

Posted: 8/3/2003 6:08:45 AM     Post subject:  

why do you keep refering to his stuff as bondage?

i dont recall ever seeing anything that i would actually call a "bondage" picture

usually his deers are wearing just black leather and standing there, and the dress is more similiar to a military uniform than bondage gear
in fact sometimes that exactly the context that its in (a military one)

some of them have a sort of dominatrix look but its not too often that you see his characters actually tied up, restrained or gagged or any of that shit (in fact i havent seen anythign that was that bad at all)

Because most of the stuff I have seen of his in old fanzines was indeed bondage stuff. Besides, he needs to learn how to clean up his work. Won't even go into the techincal things like anatomy. Though I do see Brian O-Connel selling his stuff on furbid and as surprised to see the were actually finished. Didn't know he had it in him (now if his characters just didn't have little round heads on long necks he'd be improving).

mouse

Posted: 8/4/2003 3:35:42 AM     Post subject:  

Because most of the stuff I have seen of his in old fanzines was indeed bondage stuff. Besides, he needs to learn how to clean up his work. Won't even go into the techincal things like anatomy. Though I do see Brian O-Connel selling his stuff on furbid and as surprised to see the were actually finished. Didn't know he had it in him (now if his characters just didn't have little round heads on long necks he'd be improving).


care to name any of the fanzines? you still havent named any of the comics i asked you to in the other thread...

i think you may be mistaking "cleaning up" artwork with someones particular style.

as for the last 2 sentences im assuming you mean o'connel sells jerry's artwork , and that jerry is the one drawing "little round heads on long necks"

btw, not all art has to look an exact certain way...not sure if you knew that or not

i dont see any problems with jerry collin's characters anatomy for the most part:

heres his art on the VCL:
[url>http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Jerry-Collins/index01-by-date.html

the onyl other places ive seen his art online is the few pictures he did for "blackberry"
[url>http://www.anthrobunny.com/
and his stuff here for CYD