Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

zillford · Recusant Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 5

Hello all,

once again, I would like to tip my hat to the creators of CYD as well as a majority of the forum posters. great work, funny site, good links, and none of that Awful hatred that you see so much on the web.

I post this asking for any and all opinions on my situation from you level headed, yet quasi-anti-fur folk. I do not feel I am undecided about my behavior, so I don't ask in hopes of finding direction, I am merely curious to have a NON furry perspective. without further ado, here goes:

first, and most importantly, I am a Furry. by this, I mean I enjoy anthro media (everything from classic Disney/WB to some of the erotica/nasty prawn), practice minimal, non-sexual fursuiting (wearing a set of cheap ears to a con here and there) and I attend conventions. I also am an artist. I draw everything from portraiture and still life, to hardcore furry smut (staying, of course, within legality as well as my own personal morals).

now here's the part that's of interest to this query: unlike a large portion of Furry-fandom (ANY fandom) I am athletic and fit, bereft of any other physical marrings (acne, third arm, etc.) and am not by any means 'ugly' (I'll settle for 'average'). I feel I am socially skilled as I can make friends with a broad spectrum of personalities, deal well with people in a work place setting, and bear a modicum of standard social basics (a few key ones many 'geeks' lack: showing interest in other's, being able to tell if you're annoying someone, talking in a reserved conversational tone, etc. I don't claim to be ambassador material, but I feel a cut above the 'geek' archetype).

I would feel comfortable making the statement that I could pass for a non-geek/furry, though I happily claim both titles. I feel that after a one hour conversation with me, I would drop no hints as to my nature, as easily being a 'jock' type as a 'geek'.

but, as I stated before, I draw yiff. I draw fairly hardcore yiff (explicit spooge, anal, oral, multi-partners, etc.). I draw it largely for the money, but I don't hide behind that. I will state that I do find it erotic, not enough that it's a fetish (dictionary definition being somewhat along the lines of: can't get off without it) as I'm likewise a fan of 'normal' pornography. I'd call it a 'kink' for lack of a definite definition.

ok, sorry that prefacing took so long, if you're still hanging in there, here's my question: if one is to accept my statements as true, and agree that if you removed the 'spooge artist' from it I would be no different (on the social level) than any one of you, then what do you find inherently wrong with the yiff aspect?

I guess what I'm getting at is that BESIDES the fact that many Furries are loopy as hell, how do you separate yiff(and I'll include the act of fursuit sex here, though remember, NOT the people that one typically associates with it) from any of MANY acceptable 'kinks' (if you accept anything besides basic, procreative, missionary sex as a kink. excluding, of course, illegal acts). what is different, on a Freudian sexuality level, between yiff and handcuffs? yiff and oral sex? yiff and *ahem* 'doggystyle'? what makes yiff, in your mind, inherently unusual? do you even?

this is something I've always pondered, but never had a non-pro-biased opinion on. I'd love to hear all of yours! also, feel free to ask for clarification on any points listed and, of course, if you're just going to reply with, "yOur'E fuxxored up, dood! stop fkukin' those damn aminals and get a girlfriend!" then don't even bothorz... *ahem* bother.

-the 'well adjusted(?)' Furry,
Zillford

P.S.
I'll wear your shirt to Midwest Furfest if you want... just be warned, I'll be drawing spooge while wearing it...

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I am athletic and fit, bereft of any other physical marrings (acne, third arm, etc.) and am not by any means 'ugly' (I'll settle for 'average'). I feel I am socially skilled as I can make friends with a broad spectrum of personalities, deal well with people in a work place setting, and bear a modicum of standard social basics (a few key ones many 'geeks' lack: showing interest in other's, being able to tell if you're annoying someone, talking in a reserved conversational tone, etc. I don't claim to be ambassador material, but I feel a cut above the 'geek' archetype).

Why do you feel you need to "prove" that you're not the "geek archetype"?

Does it make you feel better knowing that you're a "cut above" other people?

Why did you choose to use the words "cut above"?

I would feel comfortable making the statement that I could pass for a non-geek/furry, though I happily claim both titles. I feel that after a one hour conversation with me, I would drop no hints as to my nature, as easily being a 'jock' type as a 'geek'.

Why would you want to "pass for a non-geek/furry" though?

What do you consider yourself to be?

Since you seem to say that you are a furry cum geek type person, then you say that you're not.

but, as I stated before, I draw yiff. I draw fairly hardcore yiff (explicit spooge, anal, oral, multi-partners, etc.). I draw it largely for the money, but I don't hide behind that. I will state that I do find it erotic, not enough that it's a fetish (dictionary definition being somewhat along the lines of: can't get off without it) as I'm likewise a fan of 'normal' pornography. I'd call it a 'kink' for lack of a definite definition.

Sex, Smut et al plays a very large role in "furry fandom" and no one can deny that,

But hey, It's not like it's as bad as selling arms to africa or something like that.

MANY acceptable 'kinks' (

What is an "acceptable kink"?

Since ideals of what is acceptable changes over time, for example, Today, no one would care if people had oral sex, yet 800 years ago, it was (in theory) phrohibited to do anything bu the missionary position and even then, only on certain days.

Do you mean "kinks that I condsider acceptable"?

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I guess what I'm getting at is that BESIDES the fact that many Furries are loopy as hell, how do you separate yiff(and I'll include the act of fursuit sex here, though remember, NOT the people that one typically associates with it) from any of MANY acceptable 'kinks' (if you accept anything besides basic, procreative, missionary sex as a kink. excluding, of course, illegal acts). what is different, on a Freudian sexuality level, between yiff and handcuffs? yiff and oral sex? yiff and *ahem* 'doggystyle'? what makes yiff, in your mind, inherently unusual? do you even?

It's only unusual in the way that xenophilia in general is odd to a certain percentage of people but not to others. Furry is very unusual in that it is all about xenophilia, and I was planning to pen a few words on the subject, to be called "F****** the Alien" (tho' I might tone that down) which will explore the idea in more detail, so watch the front page.

Or if you mean from the p0rnography aspect, I'm personally left cold by the skank-with-wet-split-beaver-gynaecological-exam type (non-furry) p0rn myself, likewise the outrageous type stuff that seems to be trying to be as extreme as possible. But I suppose that's just a matter of taste. Or densitisation. Of course if it's been created for laffs and isn't deadpan serious that's another story.

By "acceptable kinks" I suppose you mean "acceptable to society at large"?

P.S.
I'll wear your shirt to Midwest Furfest if you want... just be warned, I'll be drawing spooge while wearing it...

Please..... don't.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

this is something I've always pondered, but never had a non-pro-biased opinion on.

I personally believe it's not anything to do with kink. IMO, nothing about pron of any kind is bad, it's just that it's dominating the furry fandom in particular. I dont understand why that is, lots of other groups have the same kind of hardcore art but the problem is those groups aren't immediately associated with sex art like furry is. To me, it's the idea that the furry fandom has a worse image and has a larger % of this kind of thing than other fannish groups and THAT is the problem.

as for why people might think it's strange, i believe that xenophilia as the other person said is definitely a reason. but also add to that it is animals. from a non-furry standpoint, what are you looking at? animals having sex. From someone outside the fandom, it looks like whoever is drawing this is interested in beastiality. I recall in college I had some furry porn laying around and EVERYONE who saw it thought that.

and going back to my first point, I also recall in college a very very long time ago, that having the stuff was still ok. i wasn't afraid of showing it around because furry wasn't known, but now i'd have to burn all of it and never want to be associated with it for fear of being labelled a sick freako. Everyone in the "geek" cultures has heard of furry these days, and they don't like it. They immediately associate furry with deviant sex. That just doesn't happen to other geek groups regardless of the fact that they too have the same porn art.

But if i had any of that other porn you are talking about, handcuffs and other kinky stuff, no one else thinks it is too strange. "normal" people indulge in that stuff sometimes.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

<...>then what do you find inherently wrong with the yiff aspect?

I don't speak for anyone else, but I think the main problem is

Too much, and too far. Of all the things that could be fostered inside furry fandom, look what is there instead. Its not the fact it exists, its just why so much? I think its funny to compare both critical comics: Skunk and Shawn Keller's

Skunk was mainly bitching about big titties on cartoon characters, and basically saying people are just losers and spending too much time on Furry RP chat boards...stupid shit basically. Although the things people were pointing out back then, did turn out to be big trouble later on. Things got a lot worse (far as I can tell).

Then look at something more recent like Keller's comic (or just any recent commentary on furry fandom) and whats its making fun of is how intensely fucked up everyone is.

(also, just as a side note, I dont like the word yiff because I think its stupid. I think the reason a lot of other people react negatively - especially towards just the word is thats its jargon. And not well defined either. The fact that furries use it frequently and replace words - Im sure infuriates people.)

I guess what I'm getting at is that BESIDES the fact that many Furries are loopy as hell, how do you separate yiff(and I'll include the act of fursuit sex here, though remember, NOT the people that one typically associates with it) from any of MANY acceptable 'kinks'

I really dont, at least not as much.

If people are drawing certain things that WOULD be illegal - then to me - thats kind of an indicator...I really DONT think there is anything wrong with simple erotica, in and of itself. I go back to what I said further up, is that its just way too damn much. I really dont see how people can look at porn ALL the time, I get so sick of it (any kind).

The way I look at it, is what these characters are is usually a lens

Mitch mentioned the Xenophilia thing, which basically I agree with. Funny animals, anthromorphs, whatever you want to call them, basically are aliens - The key being they have a familiar element to them. They just have physical qualities of terrestrial animals.

Re: what viron said, the bestiality thing really falls flat under close scrutiny, because if a being has sentience - then the element that makes bestiality immoral is gone - regardless of how animal-like the being in question is. It might sound like here some people use it as a sort of subconscious justification but I really doubt that. Im sure it happens...theres plently of questionable art out there, but thats really one of those case-by-case basis scenarios.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

I don't speak for anyone else, but I think the main problem is Too much, and too far (spooge).

I totally agree with this affirmation, and this is one of the reasons why I left furry fandom and continued my own way.

It's a real shame, because I've loved drawing my lil' cute animals all my life. And I continue loving them, and will probably keep on drawing them for many more years, because I prefer them to other characters I could draw. Alas, there is no room for bland, cartoony stuff like mine in furry fandom. Not anymore.

I thought furry fandom was the natural audience for my drawings and comics, but it isn't. I don't think it's a matter of styles or subjects. The sad truth is that my pictures aren't sexy enough for the majority of the fandom.

There was a time when I tried to make them sexy and at least sensual, to appeal furry fans. I thought that was what the furry fandom wanted, and that was what I tried to draw. I wanted to fit within furry fandom, even if that meant drawing pics like these, or even worse, and more explicit if needed.

However, in my particular case, I dislike drawing smut. I just feel uncomfortable. I have a peculiar, very personal relationship with my own characters (and I consider anything drawn by me as my characters), that are nothing but a part of myself; so drawing them with the purpose of arousing people makes me feel like I'm prostituting myself, saving the differences between the fictional characters they are and the real person I am.

On the other side, I realized about how small and limited furry fandom is as a market, so I asked to myself if it did really worth the try. And was doubting for many years, until I took the decision to follow my own way and interests and leaving furry fandom beside.

WHether if this was the right decision to follow, from a professional and personal point of view, is something that only time will say.

zillford · Recusant Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 5

hey, first off,thanks everyone for taking the time to post such in depth replies.

David:
I was setting the distinction to attempt to set up a control aspect to my question. I don't have any problems with being labeled a geek/furry, and in the right situations I can fully thrill to that roll.

I don't feel a need to hide from it. as to why I WOULDN'T want to be considered it, I can only picture a few rare instances where I'd be cautious about it. while I usually have no problem with the confrontation/ridicule that it can garner, sometimes I'm just not in an evironment/mood to want to deal with it.

as to "smut playing a large role in furry" is a frustratingly difficult aspect to pin down. one that I'm still trying to figure out. I meet countless furries at conventions who are against/not interested in the porn(the largest part being other artists, actually), and indeed the cons aren't BASED around smut (well, at least not Midwest Furfest and Anthrocon) as the only adult oriented aspects are the adult section of the art show/dealers. obviously if you can fill 72 hours (multiplied by however many different tracks running at the same time) with family friendly activities, THAT aspect can't be called "based around porn".

on the OTHER hand, I could never deny that porn is an aspect as, hell, that's where I make the $$$.

I agree with you all that the sex aspect has gone too far (like I said above, I don't think it's RUNNING the cons...) especially, as you said, when it takes away from the art market. it's hard to attract your target group if they are the type of people who avoid the art, fear it's seemingly ALWAYS adult nature. like I said, I draw it, but I wish I could just as easily sell PG rated stuff.

now, this all missed my question, however, being this:
what is INHERANTLY wrong(or different from other kinks) with furry smut/fursuit sex?

I'm asking the question DEVOID of the situation that's surrounded it. I'm curious to know if you think there's a problem INHERANT to it.

you also all bring up a good point with the 'Xenophilia' aspect. I take it from your posts that you feel that the attraction in furry porn is to non-human creatures, correct?

I personally see any 'furry' that I'm drawing/interested in as being human at any sort of base level. not merely sentient, but largely human. I think of the animal aspects as fictionalized traits added onto a human character. in much the same way that countless cultures throughout history have animalized humans (native americans, egyptians, etc.) that's all that a furry is TO ME.

I definately agree that the Xenophilia aspect exists out there (plenty of furries wish they could have sex with a REAL furry. while I look at a fur-pic and then say "I'm already surrounded by these ")

I don't know how the statistical breakdown in the fandom is, but it would be something that could use further studying. if we are to accept it as 3 fold:

animalized-humans. Xenomorphes. true-animals.

I wonder how it would turn out (well, besides the obvious small percentage of zoophiles, thank god).

I hope I was clearer this time.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

Re: what viron said, the bestiality thing really falls flat under close scrutiny, because if a being has sentience - then the element that makes bestiality immoral is gone - regardless of how animal-like the being in question is. It might sound like here some people use it as a sort of subconscious justification but I really doubt that. Im sure it happens...theres plently of questionable art out there, but thats really one of those case-by-case basis scenarios.

I'm not talking about what characters are, cartoons or 'sentient' beings if you will... I'm talking about people who look at furry art or furries in general, people from outside the fandom. Furry is a kink that others very easily misinterpret, that is what I was getting at. Again i think the guy who talked about xenophilia hit the nail. Doing strange sexual acts is one thing, but dragging anything non-human into it seems like it would be the next level of screwy beyond that. furry porn art or fursuit sex, either way. for instance, tentacle rape/demon hentai is really fucked up in the same way, if you get my drift.

Is there anything inherently wrong with it? If you're looking for an answer, I personally don't think technically anything is inherently wrong with it when you compare to other fetishes, I just think society in general categorizes that kind of xenophilia as way stranger than other fetishes.

Paul · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 138

I thought furry fandom was the natural audience for my drawings and comics, but it isn't. I don't think it's a matter of styles or subjects. The sad truth is that my pictures aren't sexy enough for the majority of the fandom.

There was a time when I tried to make them sexy and at least sensual, to appeal furry fans. I thought that was what the furry fandom wanted, and that was what I tried to draw. I wanted to fit within furry fandom, even if that meant drawing pics like these, or even worse, and more explicit if needed.

I believe the "problem" with that picture is that your cute and cartoony art style makes it look as if you're poking fun at, or at least making a humorous version of, the sexual situation there. The furverts want stroke material, and humour and hard-ons rarely mix.

(...) I realized about how small and limited furry fandom is as a market, so I asked to myself if it did really worth the try. And was doubting for many years, until I took the decision to follow my own way and interests and leaving furry fandom beside.

WHether if this was the right decision to follow, from a professional and personal point of view, is something that only time will say.

I think you made a wise decision. As I wrote in another thread, there are plenty of people who aren't furries who make "anthro" art, and there a literally millions of people who aren't furries who like such art. It's a matter of finding an appropriate outlet (right publisher/website/tv channel/whatever). Good luck. For what it's worth, I really like your art style. :)

Doing strange sexual acts is one thing, but dragging anything non-human into it seems like it would be the next level of screwy beyond that. furry porn art or fursuit sex, either way. for instance, tentacle rape/demon hentai is really fucked up in the same way, if you get my drift.

Is there anything inherently wrong with it? If you're looking for an answer, I personally don't think technically anything is inherently wrong with it when you compare to other fetishes, I just think society in general categorizes that kind of xenophilia as way stranger than other fetishes.

Almost all sexual kinks are between consenting adult human beings. I think the strong negative reactions toward certain kinks, like pedophilia, zoophilia or rape fantasies come from the fact that they involve a sex partner who can't or won't consent to the act, and that's where the vast majority of people draw the line. You know: Be as screwy as you will, but don't force yourself on anyone - and if you admit you fantasize about doing just that, chances are people will think you're a sick fuck.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Often, it's not really the "yiff" stuff that anyone has a problem with. This post pretty much sums things up - it's not because they're furry, it's because they don't know when to shut the fuck up.

Why you're cooler than most

- You know that what you're doing is kinda goofy, but you don't make a big fucking crusade out of telling everyone how normal you are.

- You're having fun with it without making what you're doing into some big fucking crusade about how we must accept you or we're Nazis, klansmen, etc.

- You're not playing the victim card every five minute, or even at all that I've seen.

- You're not bullshitting yourself into thinking you've found some profound inner truth from dressing up like you do (see also: big fucking crusade, lack thereof)

- You're not saying that everyone who doesn't accept you is somehow flawed.

Were every man who dresses up like a female rabbit and builds a webpage around this activity to follow your lead, the world would be a much better place.

Now, that last part might not apply to you directly, but the rest is close enough to apply to the general case.

zillford · Recusant Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 5

hey, perfect post-link Ghengis,

ever since finding this site, I've been thinking over the 'furry situation' more intensively and I think that the quote you mention DOES sum it up alot.

the biggest problem IS the wealth of militant, obsessive, can't-take-a-joke furs. when I think about my furry smut I realize how small a part of my life it is. I think about, to me, how little it matters what people think. I've never felt the need to explain myself to people in ANY matter, so I've never stopped to think that if I was the excuse/explainatory type, I STILL wouldn't about ANYTHING furry. It's so insignificant that I can't even fathom someone spending their time on it, starting a group over it (*ahem* burned furs), or getting pissed when people poke fun at it.

I think this page and forum has opened my mind to viewing the entire furry debacle from an entirely different perspective.

this also means I think I'll need to have a word with some of the furs I tend to meet an cons... maybe shut some yaps...

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

It's a real shame, because I've loved drawing my lil' cute animals all my life. And I continue loving them, and will probably keep on drawing them for many more years, because I prefer them to other characters I could draw. Alas, there is no room for bland, cartoony stuff like mine in furry fandom. Not anymore.

I thought furry fandom was the natural audience for my drawings and comics, but it isn't. I don't think it's a matter of styles or subjects. The sad truth is that my pictures aren't sexy enough for the majority of the fandom.

Don't forget the art snobs found all over furry fandom. The people pushing the 'fine art' aspect - which normally I would agree with , but usually these sorts of furries are so completely full of themselves they are way too good to have ever picked up a funny animal comic or watched a cartoon.

whats wrong with cartoon characters throwing bricks at each other...the shit is funny.

There was a time when I tried to make them sexy and at least sensual, to appeal furry fans. I thought that was what the furry fandom wanted, and that was what I tried to draw. I wanted to fit within furry fandom, even if that meant drawing pics like these, or even worse, and more explicit if needed.

Hmm, for some reason it seems like I've seen this pic before...It wasnt on yerf was it? Either way (as the other guys just said) it strikes me as way more humorous than erotic...

hehe, I dont know if that counts as a failure in any way or not

On the other side, I realized about how small and limited furry fandom is as a market, so I asked to myself if it did really worth the try. And was doubting for many years, until I took the decision to follow my own way and interests and leaving furry fandom beside.

WHether if this was the right decision to follow, from a professional and personal point of view, is something that only time will say.

Not as a slam against you or anyone else really (since its a common topic around here), but I kind of have a hard time getting the whole 'quitting furry' thing. I've never done anything within furry fandom that I have no interest in. Hence why I have very little contact with the fandom. When I first largely ran across the fandom , I thought it was going to be cool, then I started realizing...maybe not. There is still some stuff that overlaps..theres some things I found that I like within the boundaries of the fandom, or things I would not have come across otherwise. But short of that, Im the same person now as I was before. I never played on FurryMUCK because roleplay doesnt interest me, if Im on IRC ever, I usually just idle unless something is being discussed which I am interested in. Basically, what Im saying is, its furry fandom that can move in a different direction - not me.

There will never be an 'I quit' message from me because I never joined anything - there will only be a waxing or waning of interest.

what is INHERANTLY wrong(or different from other kinks) with furry smut/fursuit sex?

Inherently? Nothing (IMO).

The problem is most furries have all kinds of baggage, and well, you know the results. That basically what I was getting at when I was refering to furries being fucked up. Theres nothing inherently wrong with any of this stuff. Its the people largely involved that made it weirder than it is (at least weirder than it should be).

My official policy is if 'fursuit sex' involves a 'hot chick' then its A-OK (it never does)
fursuit..cop uniform...i dont care

also, recently I had a interesting conversation on ICQ that shows a REAL non-furry opinion..an opinion coming from someone who doesnt even have knowledge of the fandom...and also some other stuff..but I dont feel like diggin thru my ICQ history to find it right now

I will however point out, one part of this was (and this is someting I had just remembered recently..i had forgoten it for a long time) BEFORE I ran across furry fandom i *HAD* seen that MTV Sex2k...the funniest part is, thinking back on it ...I was barely even paying attention to it. I didnt even make the connection from that show to the fandom on the internet until a while afterward. I was sitting on a friends couch after carrying interior parts into the basement and I remember seeing that 'yote' kid...basically it just struck me more as some 'cute' thing gay college kids did than anything...I really didnt give a shit either way. It was someone else's life thousands of miles away from me. It might be the type of person I am, even 'laugh at the freaks' type of reporting does not tend to raise any malicious feelings in me, (when I happen to catch something like that, I really dont watch much tv..) unless the people are really tipping the scales somehow. Which, in that show, it just didnt come across to me like that at the time regardless of how Castro filmed it.

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

My official policy is if 'fursuit sex' involves a 'hot chick' then its A-OK (it never does)
fursuit..cop uniform...i dont care

If ANYTHING involves a hot chick it's A-OK.

The first post was kind of, well my brain melted. Please referate next time, and don't use the word yiff so much. But okay, you draw porn and you are normal and blablablabla. I DON'T JUDGE nor do I care. Go on.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I definately agree that the Xenophilia aspect exists out there (plenty of furries wish they could have sex with a REAL furry. while I look at a fur-pic and then say "I'm already surrounded by these ")

I always thought it was because “furries” have elements that make them attractive to humans, i.e. human style bipedal body et al.

But, Seeing as how they have animal’s heads, they don’t have “the baggage” that we might associate with “real” humans.

So, people can fantasise about them as a “blank slate”, the realities of human behaviour et al don’t have to intrude since we don’t’ associated many of those things with the non-human animals, of which we stick the heads upon the body.

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

Some like it when chicks dress up as a cop... nurse or... Batgirl! =9 Some like it if they dress up as a...
somekind of a furry...thing... with dicknipples...
Others like abusing horses on the field.. and others like to abuse altarboys...

Laws pretty much state us what's okay to do and what's not... and laws set somekinda norm.. for the "normals"... =)
Can't say the islam laws would be for the normals... but we westerners should share some kind of common morals.

It's a lost cause for us to be all PC about normality so no one would get hurt...
If you think someone is a complete sicko then tell the person so and be done with it... =)
No one loses! - He gets a piece of your mind.. and you don't haveta put up with the sicko anymore, for he's long gone
---because "you are not nice and cuddly" anymore.. =)

Ah *Boh-ring!*
Somebody post those fuzzy mini-bunnayhs again... or some new dirt on TDK... =)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

My official policy is if 'fursuit sex' involves a 'hot chick' then its A-OK (it never does)
fursuit..cop uniform...i dont care

Hot chick in fursuit (totally no sex involved, tho').

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

It's a real shame, because I've loved drawing my lil' cute animals all my life. And I continue loving them, and will probably keep on drawing them for many more years, because I prefer them to other characters I could draw. Alas, there is no room for bland, cartoony stuff like mine in furry fandom. Not anymore.

Is this how you view furry fandom as being, for the most part not a place for those who draw very cartoony things? Is everyone else here in agreement with this? I'm only curious.

I thought furry fandom was the natural audience for my drawings and comics, but it isn't. I don't think it's a matter of styles or subjects. The sad truth is that my pictures aren't sexy enough for the majority of the fandom.

Not only that, but the whole thing seems to not be about the art anymore anyway. i recall the days when the fandom was comic books and stuff like that. now it's all about being close to animals. that's totally not what we signed up for when the recruiter came by and showed us the pamphlets :)

However, in my particular case, I dislike drawing smut. I just feel uncomfortable... On the other side, I realized about how small and limited furry fandom is as a market, so I asked to myself if it did really worth the try. And was doubting for many years, until I took the decision to follow my own way and interests and leaving furry fandom beside.
WHether if this was the right decision to follow, from a professional and personal point of view, is something that only time will say.

I believe you couldn't have made a better choice, and the only thing better would have been you not getting involved with the fandom in the first place. It is a dead end for anyone interested in cartoons. The furry fandom will amount to nothing - ever. The only people it's good for are furries themselves, and let them live their dreams and have their fun on their own, more power for them. however, don't you even think for one moment the fandom will produce anything that is worthy of any critical success. If it does, it will be in spite of furry fandom and not because of it or from it directly.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

If ANYTHING involves a hot chick it's A-OK.

Hot chick in fursuit (totally no sex involved, tho').

oh yeah...speakin of hot chicks...

(technically its a 'porn' type site so dont click at work)