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Posted: 3/15/2004 7:28:22 PM     Post subject: Psionics  

Are there any psions around? :)
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Posted: 3/15/2004 7:35:44 PM     Post subject:  

Oooh, I am! I have the amazing ability to make food and women dissapear with my very presence!

...that's a psionic ability, right? ;)
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Posted: 3/15/2004 7:46:35 PM     Post subject: Re: Psionics  

Are there any psions around? :)

Yeah, I have one which I hate very much. Unless of course "psions" is some new fangled furry slang.
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Posted: 3/15/2004 7:48:51 PM     Post subject:  

Beaten by Mitch. :(
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Posted: 3/15/2004 8:12:43 PM     Post subject:  

DatdudeGil, I dont think Randi would agree :P
Mitch, I dont have a good definition for it, try reading at www.psipog.net if you are interested.
I want to hear peoples (preferably psions :P) opinions on telekinese. Ive found an explanation for it I can belieave in.
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:02:44 PM     Post subject: Re: Psionics  

Are there any psions around? :)


Uggghhhhhhh! PLEASE don't mention that word. I still get the heebie-jeebies every time I hear about Mark Merlino ranting about how omnipotent and psionic his race of "Skiltaires" are, and how the whole universe revolves around those fucking space weasels of his.
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:34:52 PM     Post subject:  

DatdudeGil, I dont think Randi would agree :P
Mitch, I dont have a good definition for it, try reading at www.psipog.net if you are interested.
I want to hear peoples (preferably psions :P) opinions on telekinese. Ive found an explanation for it I can belieave in.


*Froths at the mouth due to the sheer Bullshit content of that site*

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

That's just as bad as the "I am a magic wolf" brigade.
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:39:02 PM     Post subject:  

That's just as bad as the "I am a magic wolf" brigade.


BUT I AM A MAGIC WOLF!
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:44:44 PM     Post subject:  

David, if you dont belieave in it thats ok. But do understand that some people, (actually quite a lot) experiences stuff they cannot find explanations for. Often they wont even tell about them to their closest friends because they might get labeled as crazy and imagining stuff.
I do belieave you cannot understand it if you have not experienced it.
I am such a person, I have experienced stuff I hesitate to tell about even to my closest friend.
I know there are stuff happening around science has no answer for, like, precognition and gravity :)
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:45:07 PM     Post subject:  

That's just as bad as the "I am a magic wolf" brigade.


BUT I AM A MAGIC WOLF!

HELO I AM A GAY SPACE WEASEL

HONK BONK YIFF YIFF MEEP
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Posted: 3/15/2004 9:48:03 PM     Post subject:  

http://www.psipog.net/


What's really scary is that there are people that will actually believe that crap.

Shall I gather the energy crystals? /sarcasm
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Posted: 3/16/2004 12:11:06 AM     Post subject:  

HONK BONK YIFF YIFF MEEP


This had the effect of making me lol, for some reason.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 1:29:58 AM     Post subject:  

All I have to say on the subject is that I've experienced some pretty strange shit that I can't fully explain and while I'm not expecting anyone to line up to believe what I've experienced, I'm not lining up to buy into most others' beliefs either. So live and let live and all...

I can say that I've had extreme deja vu ALL my life. We're not talking simple "feels familiar", we're talking about going from "I've already done this before" to "I know what is going to happen exactly for the next five minutes" to "oh shit, do I have to do this yet again?!". It feels like disjointed Groundhog Day(Bill Murray film for those who don't get the reference) and strikes on average once a month.

You can scoff, but it has allowed me to remain nicely unventilated by flying steel-jacketed lead core objects, keep from being hit by vehicles, and allowed me to anticipate what people are about to do and mess them up. Problem is, it's not remotely controllable and strikes without rhyme or reason.

I choose to take it as a sign that whatever is going to happen pretty much already has and I'm just along for the ride. I hope I won the lottery. It's going to suck if I have to keep brown bagging it for eternity.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 2:00:47 AM     Post subject: Re: Psionics  

Uggghhhhhhh! PLEASE don't mention that word. I still get the heebie-jeebies every time I hear about Mark Merlino ranting about how omnipotent and psionic his race of "Skiltaires" are, and how the whole universe revolves around those fucking space weasels of his.

Does this remind anyone else of the "Mary Sue" characters so common in bad fanfiction? You know, the "This person can do this and this and this and this and also this and has these abilities and is superior to every other character in every way shape and form and oh yeah this is a self insertion go me!" types?
Why the hell is every single race and/or character in the entire fucking fandom some sort of fucking ubercreature of doom? Seriously, even if it is some bullshit power fantasy thing, it's not going to work too well when every other fucking creature in the entire fucking fandom is equally overpowered.

I know this is way off topic, but this is a rant that has been a long time coming, and I've barely even got started on the subject - so I'll shut up now and save it for another time.

I've also been playing Mario Sunshine for the last half an hour in a futile attempt to do the JUMPING PUZZLE FROM HELL, so if I seem more prone to let the phrases "christing fuck on a cunt" or "cocksucking twatbadger" enter my vocabulary, that's why.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 6:50:51 AM     Post subject:  

David, if you dont belieave in it thats ok. But do understand that some people, (actually quite a lot) experiences stuff they cannot find explanations for. Often they wont even tell about them to their closest friends because they might get labeled as crazy and imagining stuff.
I do belieave you cannot understand it if you have not experienced it.
I am such a person, I have experienced stuff I hesitate to tell about even to my closest friend.
I know there are stuff happening around science has no answer for, like, precognition and gravity :)



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Posted: 3/16/2004 9:00:50 AM     Post subject:  

Micheal Hirtes, Its not about 'enlightenment' or a 'superior race'. Thats just bullshit from somone probably with a need of feeling special. Its like drawing, common belieaf says some few of us are born good at drawing while others can not learn it. I think that is wrong, anyone can get good a drawing if they have motivation, and I think motivation is the only thing required to learn telekinese.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 9:30:15 AM     Post subject:  

I think that is wrong, anyone can get good a drawing if they have motivation, and I think motivation is the only thing required to learn telekinese.


I'm really at a loss as to why you even bothered to post something like this on here...its just weird

regardless, if you really believe you can learn or practice telekinesis

Maybe you should purchase or construct one of these experiments:



Basically it is a needle, flat on one end, pointed on the other, the plastic jewel case has a small piece of plastic with the needle sized hole in it, and the hole is drilled in the same spot through the lid of the case. (this just holds the needle verticle) Then using a very thin light-weight metal - in this case very thin tin, dimpled in the center rests atop the pin. the 4 blades are angles slightly downward so that gravity holds it to the pin head. Basically its very easy for this to spin on top of the pin. The idea is you then cover this under a glass, or otherwise isolate it from as much outside influences as possible (temperature change, moving air, etc).
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Posted: 3/16/2004 11:58:44 AM     Post subject:  

Let's just see here, if we don't support people fantasizing about cows means automatically that we're some kind of magic psi-aliens?

WRONG ADDRESS, COMPADRE!
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Posted: 3/16/2004 12:12:15 PM     Post subject: hmmm...  

Odd choice of topic for such a sceptical board.

I'd say out of every ten people online who witter on about psionic powers/any kind of powers, 9 have no idea what they are talking about and are only doing it to be 'a special cupcake' ie the furries with ten or more spirit guides including 2 who are total opposites and who would cause havoc in their lives if they really had those two as guides, the other one is probably someone with a small gift but no real understanding, it's the ones who don't make a huge fuss that should be worried about.

My experience is that there are some things that science has a hard time explaining away and I suspect there a depths to the human psyche that we can't even begin to guess at yet. Overall though I am sceptical when someone starts wittering about otherkin/spirit guide/powers...especially when it's a furry seeing as most just use it as a 'look at me aren't I special' attention seeking ploy.

I really should type up an article exploring this stuff since spirit guides and that junk seem to be a major staple of the furry fandom.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 12:49:45 PM     Post subject:  

All I have to say on the subject is that I've experienced some pretty strange shit that I can't fully explain


I knew, (And saw) a man who managed, under the influence of alcohol, to get vomit on the CEILING!!!!!!!

Now that's mysterious.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 3:06:26 PM     Post subject:  

DA, Im not doing this for attention, Im doing it by interest. Noone likes to be made fun of, and if you want to me made fun of or labeled crazy I cant see a better thing to do then get interested in supernatural stuff.
This whole things is like 'taboo', there are much more stereotypes about people belieaving in the 'supernatural' then there are about furries.
I dont like that, I think its stupid, so I am trying to be as open as I can about it. Im not hiding my beliefs. Roughly 90% of forum people laugh at the very idea of telekinese, some others get interested, while some people msg me and tell me about their supernatural experiences. Im not in any way brainwashed, I am trying to find truth.
I know precognition is possible as I have experienced it, this is the foundation wich I build some of my belieafs on.
I jugde people by why they belieave in things, not what they belieave in.
SLaitila, Everyone is born with 'psychic' skills. Few people try do develop them, but many experience weird stuff like telepathy or empathy occasionally.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 6:07:36 PM     Post subject:  

SLaitila, Everyone is born with 'psychic' skills. Few people try do develop them, but many experience weird stuff like telepathy or empathy occasionally.


I just couldn't get the catch. Psionic powers... on CYD?

Although I get the: mindless babble about US politics... On CYD? Again? Every god damn day.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 7:05:42 PM     Post subject:  

All I have to say on the subject is that I've experienced some pretty strange shit that I can't fully explain


I knew, (And saw) a man who managed, under the influence of alcohol, to get vomit on the CEILING!!!!!!!

Now that's mysterious.


I used to know a guy who saw it done in front of him in an out of the way bar in Australia and when he remarked as to how unusual it was, someone shrugged and told him not a week goes by someone didn't "chunder" and nail an odd spot like that.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 7:20:57 PM     Post subject:  


I know precognition is possible as I have experienced it, this is the foundation wich I build some of my belieafs on.
I jugde people by why they belieave in things, not what they belieave in.
SLaitila, Everyone is born with 'psychic' skills. Few people try do develop them, but many experience weird stuff like telepathy or empathy occasionally.


People can laugh all they want and people who make wild claims to have controllable "powers" who then can't reproduce it and haughtily refuse to try and get all self-righteous make it easier to laugh.

HOWEVER, the human brain is an EXTREMELY COMPLICATED piece of organic hardware and reacts to almost everything that it encounters and senses. We evolved on a planet with a reasonably strong magnetic field and we KNOW that certain animals respond to it. We have no reason to believe that we are any different than other life on Earth and would for any reason not be attuned to ALL the energies around us we may not consciously perceive or understand.

We DO NOT KNOW how gravity, inertia, light, and so forth work. For instance, one quantum mechanical interpretation results in one transverse and two longitudinal modes of electromagnetic waves. The transverse waves are easily seen as the known spectrum, i.e. light, x-rays, ultraviolet, etc. We DON'T have a full idea of what a longitudinal electromagnetic wave would look like to us so we might be surrounded by them and not even know it. The math says they are there, but we don't know what we're looking for. BTW, a longitudinal wave is what sound waves are, i.e. compression waves. What is the medium for an electromagnetic compression wave? The quantum vacuum? We know that that's there but we aren't good at detecting it easily. See Aharanov-Bohm, and Casimir Effect for more on this subject.

To complicate matters, we know that rigorously, electromagnetic fields descend from more basic fields called scalar and vector potential fields, and again, see Aharanov-Bohm for more on those. We're not sure if those would support waves of their own, if so how, and how to interact with them easily and efficiently.

We could very well be immersed in a sea of energies we barely interact with, and in fact know we are, but do to some statistical amount and have evolved some subconscious sense of we don't understand because we don't understand the media by which things are transmitted in the first place or how the brain interacts and on what levels.

Don't discount psionics right off the bat. You can chuckle at unfounded claims that can't be backed up, but consider this. If such things as telekinesis are real, and we figure a way to replicate them electronically/mechanically, how much more power can we throw at them that way than the measly brain? Not too hard to see where you could move planets with a thought and some mechnism with the energy of a power plant behind it.

Who's to say we didn't already achieve this technology and the seeming world where we haven't is just cover to keep us from knowing what really happened? You know, like The Matrix.

If you're given to paranoia, you might just end up in a padded room obsessing over it.

Better to not worry too much, and keep with more everyday things.

Like planting a suggestion in that hot redhead at the bar to come back to your place.
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Posted: 3/16/2004 7:54:13 PM     Post subject:  

HOWEVER, the human brain is an EXTREMELY COMPLICATED piece of organic hardware and reacts to almost everything that it encounters and senses.


Let's just say that the same race that can create these:


Is the same race capable of creating these:

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Posted: 3/16/2004 7:55:04 PM     Post subject:  

I knew, (And saw) a man who managed, under the influence of alcohol, to get vomit on the CEILING!!!!!!!


Yeah, sorry... that was me. I did learn that cheap vodka and OJ is never, ever, ever, ever, ever entering my diet again. :oops:
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Posted: 3/16/2004 7:57:40 PM     Post subject:  

Let's just say that the same race that can create these:


A brain, a spaced-out dude, and a plagarist

Is the same race capable of creating these:


...against a good ol' boy, a child's entertainer, and our beloved leader?

What the hell are you on, boy? :wink:
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Posted: 3/16/2004 8:14:03 PM     Post subject:  

...against a good ol' boy, a child's entertainer, and our beloved leader?


Actually, what you see is a redneck & a serial killer, preceded by a pic of a naked guy on a toilet and a pic of a clown.

<g>
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Posted: 3/16/2004 11:07:01 PM     Post subject:  

You know who else believed that psychic powers exist?
...
THAT'S RIGHT.

Everyone is born with 'psychic' skills. Few people try do develop them, but many experience weird stuff like telepathy or empathy occasionally.


gb2EFF
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Posted: 3/16/2004 11:25:28 PM     Post subject:  

DA, Im not doing this for attention, Im doing it by interest. Noone likes to be made fun of, and if you want to me made fun of or labeled crazy I cant see a better thing to do then get interested in supernatural stuff.
This whole things is like 'taboo', there are much more stereotypes about people belieaving in the 'supernatural' then there are about furries.
I dont like that, I think its stupid, so I am trying to be as open as I can about it. Im not hiding my beliefs. Roughly 90% of forum people laugh at the very idea of telekinese, some others get interested, while some people msg me and tell me about their supernatural experiences. Im not in any way brainwashed, I am trying to find truth.
I know precognition is possible as I have experienced it, this is the foundation wich I build some of my belieafs on.


Okay I'll bite, I didn't say you were doing it for attention, you misunderstood me, it is just my experience that most of those who go off about having awesome psychic powers and stuff haven't got them or couldn't get a reading from a crystal ball if you engraved it.
It's taboo? tell that to the thousands of craft websites out there, or maybe people like Silver Ravenwolf, it's far more acceptable than saying you get a stiffy from the idea of being yiffed by a fox hermtaur ;)
I didn't say you were brainwashed, I know quite a bit about psychic powers and how they work myself, I just prefer not to advertise that fact.

I will be writing that articles since I do have some experience in the field, anyone who wants to contribute please message me ;) even if it's just a story about the weirder claims made by furries.
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Posted: 3/17/2004 12:00:34 PM     Post subject:  

I dont have any psychic 'powers', I think of them more as abilities! :D
Seriously speaking, I got interested in psychic stuff two months ago. I belieave in this stuff because I have experienced it. I have experienced something I have not even told my closest family. Someone in my family died 6 years ago, and I still feel guilty for it. I could have prevented what happened, and I feel like I should have done that to.
I experienced a precognition. This makes me wonder if any other 'psychic' skills are possible to, despite the fact I have for 17-years been laughing at anyone belieaving in anything supernatural and denying my own experiences.
Two months ago I put the pieces together and I thought maybe psychic stuff was real after all, now I am trying out stuff, giving even the most far-out stuff a chance.
I dont think believing in supernatural stuff has anything to do with personality or intelligence, I think you have either experienced it or not.

I was not counting getting a stiff one from the idea of being yiffed by a fox hermtaur, thats definately much worse then belieaving in supernatural stuff. :)
About attention, maybe you are right and most 'psychic' people are just lying to get it. If that is the case I think its sad.
And about advertising, Ive been thinking if I am doing 'the right thing' when Im advertising about psi on forums. Most people think its stupid, on the other hand, some thank me for showing them they are not alone and such. What I am sure about, is I dont think it should be nessesary to hide any beliefs, but on the other hand again, advertising about it on forums may be taking it a step to far..
You mean an article on psychic stuff?
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Posted: 3/17/2004 1:48:03 PM     Post subject:  


I know precognition is possible as I have experienced it, this is the foundation wich I build some of my belieafs on.
I jugde people by why they belieave in things, not what they belieave in.
SLaitila, Everyone is born with 'psychic' skills. Few people try do develop them, but many experience weird stuff like telepathy or empathy occasionally.


People can laugh all they want and people who make wild claims to have controllable "powers" who then can't reproduce it and haughtily refuse to try and get all self-righteous make it easier to laugh.

HOWEVER, the human brain is an EXTREMELY COMPLICATED piece of organic hardware and reacts to almost everything that it encounters and senses. We evolved on a planet with a reasonably strong magnetic field and we KNOW that certain animals respond to it. We have no reason to believe that we are any different than other life on Earth and would for any reason not be attuned to ALL the energies around us we may not consciously perceive or understand.

We DO NOT KNOW how gravity, inertia, light, and so forth work. For instance, one quantum mechanical interpretation results in one transverse and two longitudinal modes of electromagnetic waves. The transverse waves are easily seen as the known spectrum, i.e. light, x-rays, ultraviolet, etc. We DON'T have a full idea of what a longitudinal electromagnetic wave would look like to us so we might be surrounded by them and not even know it. The math says they are there, but we don't know what we're looking for. BTW, a longitudinal wave is what sound waves are, i.e. compression waves. What is the medium for an electromagnetic compression wave? The quantum vacuum? We know that that's there but we aren't good at detecting it easily. See Aharanov-Bohm, and Casimir Effect for more on this subject.

To complicate matters, we know that rigorously, electromagnetic fields descend from more basic fields called scalar and vector potential fields, and again, see Aharanov-Bohm for more on those. We're not sure if those would support waves of their own, if so how, and how to interact with them easily and efficiently.

We could very well be immersed in a sea of energies we barely interact with, and in fact know we are, but do to some statistical amount and have evolved some subconscious sense of we don't understand because we don't understand the media by which things are transmitted in the first place or how the brain interacts and on what levels.

Don't discount psionics right off the bat. You can chuckle at unfounded claims that can't be backed up, but consider this. If such things as telekinesis are real, and we figure a way to replicate them electronically/mechanically, how much more power can we throw at them that way than the measly brain? Not too hard to see where you could move planets with a thought and some mechnism with the energy of a power plant behind it.

Who's to say we didn't already achieve this technology and the seeming world where we haven't is just cover to keep us from knowing what really happened? You know, like The Matrix.

If you're given to paranoia, you might just end up in a padded room obsessing over it.

Better to not worry too much, and keep with more everyday things.

Like planting a suggestion in that hot redhead at the bar to come back to your place.


Interesting thoughts.
If telekinese can be replicated by some sort of machine I think it would be used as a weapon with the usual excuse it will save more lifes then it takes. Ive had dreams about telekinese in large scale, a city and a military base was attacked. I hope I am wrong but if it would be possible to replicate telekinese with a powerful machine I think it could be used for evil purposes.
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Posted: 3/17/2004 3:12:57 PM     Post subject:  

I dont have any psychic 'powers', I think of them Someone in my family died 6 years ago, and I still feel guilty for it.


See a counselor?


I experienced a precognition.


only one?!?!?!

Occams razor---> more likely that you guessed or extrapolated something.

Also, People naturally failure filterer, they remember when some that they "predicted" came true, precisely because they forget all the times when it did not, Cos nothing happened and they forget.


I was not counting getting a stiff one from the idea of being yiffed by a fox hermtaur, thats definately much worse then belieaving in supernatural stuff. :)


"Fear of things invisible is the natural seed
of that which everyone in himself calleth religion"


About attention, maybe you are right and most 'psychic' people are just lying to get it. If that is the case I think its sad.


I am sad for all the children dieing of starvation in afghanistan.
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Posted: 3/17/2004 5:32:54 PM     Post subject:  

I am sad for all the children dieing of starvation in afghanistan.


In the manner of all good socialists, such as yourself, I propose we give them the shirt off of someone else's back, namely yours, and send your food allotment for the next year to them.

No?

Okay then. 'Nuff said.
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Posted: 3/17/2004 8:52:35 PM     Post subject:  

In the manner of all good socialists, such as yourself, I propose we give them the shirt off of someone else's back, namely yours, and send your food allotment for the next year to them.


Better yet, why don't I tear off my arm and cook it up for them? Underpriveliged people such as them deserve everything we selfish greedy fuckers can give them, even if that means giving them our meaty and nutritious body parts. God himself knows that I don't use my left arm that much anyway, and they need food much more than I need my left arm, so why the hell not!? :) :) :) :)
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Posted: 3/17/2004 9:02:42 PM     Post subject:  

I dont feel like defending myself. Ill browse through the forums and find something else to write about.
But David,
"Also, People naturally failure filterer, they remember when some that they "predicted" came true, precisely because they forget all the times when it did not, Cos nothing happened and they forget. "
That was what I told myself for 6 years, I didnt want to belieave anything else, I kept ignoring it and trying to forget about it.
If there was some button I could push to make you feel what I felt that night, I would not push it. The feeling is horrible and different from any other feeling Ive felt.
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Posted: 3/17/2004 9:08:24 PM     Post subject:  

Pycnopodia, one non-proven suspected precognition does not equal having abilities. I suggest you take a good hard long think about this whole thing.
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Pycnopodia
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Posted: 3/18/2004 6:48:38 AM     Post subject:  

Pycnopodia, one non-proven suspected precognition does not equal having abilities. I suggest you take a good hard long think about this whole thing.


Maybe I would push that button anyway. :D
Lets just say what I have experienced is saying me its not very unlikely that all people may have some 'psychic' skills. I am trying to prove or disapprove this, currently I dont know what to think or expect, but Im not afraid of what I may or may not find. Ive got both feet planted on the ground.
But, I have experienced some weird stuff myself and close family have also experienced weird stuff. It will be impossible to 'talk me out of it', Im going to see for myself wether this stuff is possible or not.
I guess it will all boil down to "experienced it or not".
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Genghis
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Posted: 3/18/2004 12:07:50 PM     Post subject:  

hey guys, when i went out to pick up my lunch i used the big glass double doors at the main entrance to leave and they opened in front of me as i approached even though they arent electric
its TELEKINISIS i tells ya














Alternatively, it was a combination of wind and good timing. I suppose the point I'm trying to make here is that you can't point at every mildly odd thing that happens to you and call it a paranormal event. Hell, if that were the case my house would be spook central given the amount of weird shit that goes on there (see also: Ghost Cat versus Kitchen Ninja, circa this time last year)
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