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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 3/21/2004 10:45:49 AM     Post subject: The Furry House of Hell  

The recent mentioning about Nekobe made me think about furrydumb's most infamous wackjobs, and wondered what it would be like if some of them shared a household together.

What would be your idea of what those six members of "The Furry World" be?

MY choices would be:

-- Brian O'Connell
-- Ashryn
-- Bondage Bob
-- Mark Merlino
-- Nekobe
-- Jim Groat
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Posted: 3/21/2004 3:32:05 PM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  

I have too little knowledge of persons within the fandumb to put forth any nominations, but how about this: Rather than just have six furries share a household, a reality tv show could be made out of it. The six furries would be locked up in a house for, say, three months, have free access to food, fursuits and furry porn, and everything that went on would be broadcast on tv... Once in a while the least "yiffy" of the them would be voted out and leave the house... Who'd be the winner???

(Could something as potentially disgusting as this even be shown on tv?)
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Posted: 3/21/2004 4:13:38 PM     Post subject:  

Here's a Hellhouse, of a man named Merlino
Who was busy with a furcon of his own,
They were six furs, living all together...
-Yet they didn't yiff alone. =)
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Posted: 3/21/2004 6:57:09 PM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  

You know, I'd stick up for Ashryn if she didn't hate me because I use a urinal.
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Posted: 3/21/2004 7:20:58 PM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  

I have too little knowledge of persons within the fandumb to put forth any nominations, but how about this: Rather than just have six furries share a household, a reality tv show could be made out of it. The six furries would be locked up in a house for, say, three months, have free access to food, fursuits and furry porn, and everything that went on would be broadcast on tv... Once in a while the least "yiffy" of the them would be voted out and leave the house... Who'd be the winner???

(Could something as potentially disgusting as this even be shown on tv?)


The TV show idea was what I was thinking, but with a different twist.......

Put them all in a house together, with all the KY, food, and furry "BHAWWWWNDAGE!" they want.

Then as the tension increases, let them discover "special items" throughout the house, one at a time. Little things like, ohhhhhhhhh.........a printout of an email where another member was talking shit about them, a live video feed of a masturbation session of one of the residents being replayed on all the household monitors (HA! Bet'cha thought the bathrooms didn't have cameras, did'ja??), and near the end of the season, start sneaking in various bladed weapons.
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Posted: 3/21/2004 7:23:28 PM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  

You know, I'd stick up for Ashryn if she didn't hate me because I use a urinal.


Funny thing is, she doesn't even seem to get along very well with the lesbians either, as several former roomates have proven.
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Posted: 3/21/2004 8:16:54 PM     Post subject:  

Nekobe might need a ton of useless computer parts to tinker with.. and
Mark'd need some giant bluebottle flies as pets...=)

And throughout the season .. there would be no toiletpaper..=)
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Posted: 3/21/2004 8:44:43 PM     Post subject:  

Nekobe might need a ton of useless computer parts to tinker with.. and
Mark'd need some giant bluebottle flies as pets...=)

And throughout the season .. there would be no toiletpaper..=)


As far as Merlino would be concerned, "You can't get dirt to stick where there's lots of lubricant."

Ewwwwwwwww!
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Posted: 3/22/2004 4:33:07 AM     Post subject:  

http://tails.animaltracks.net/i/

Here you are, gents...just browse around there and you'll see what hell is really like.
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Posted: 3/22/2004 4:55:12 AM     Post subject:  

http://tails.animaltracks.net/i/

Here you are, gents...just browse around there and you'll see what hell is really like.


Let's see......

Mattress on floor instead of proper bed: Check
Lots of plushies: Check
Filthy look of room as if it were 14 year-old's: Check
Big bloaty fatass: OH DEAR GOD! THE GOGGLES! THEY DO NOTHING! Check
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Posted: 3/22/2004 7:44:00 AM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  


What would be your idea of what those six members of "The Furry World" be?

MY choices would be:

-- Brian O'Connell


Mostly Jerry Collins' problem, but still a jerkass nonetheless.

-- Ashryn


Who?

-- Bondage Bob


That litle video clip you've got of him is rather frightening, so yeah....

-- Mark Merlino


OH yeah.

-- Nekobe


He's only slightly scarier than the (billions of) people he's slept with.

-- Jim Groat


Not THAT important in the grand scheme of stupidity.


Also: Minus a million points for you for not including Manawolf.
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Posted: 3/22/2004 7:43:24 PM     Post subject: boo.....yawn....hoo.  

Lemme get this straight,is Ashryn that thinks I'M a jerkass?or computolio?Gee...either way....big deal....like this is uhhh,'sposed to hurt me ?hanh?WhuAH?oh well,life goes on....
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Posted: 3/22/2004 7:46:58 PM     Post subject: opps!uh,ooops!  

OH! I get it now,Brian's the Jerk ass!sorry kids,'must be the Alzheimers again!...uh...what was I saying?
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Posted: 3/28/2004 6:04:32 AM     Post subject: Re: The Furry House of Hell  

The recent mentioning about Nekobe made me think about furrydumb's most infamous wackjobs, and wondered what it would be like if some of them shared a household together.

What would be your idea of what those six members of "The Furry World" be?

MY choices would be:

-- Brian O'Connell
-- Ashryn
-- Bondage Bob
-- Mark Merlino
-- Nekobe
-- Jim Groat


You left a few out I would suggest adding the following to the list.

Kurt "Motormouth" Miller
Kevin "Burn the Chair" Dwain.

There are so many more I just can't think of their names...

Later

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Posted: 3/28/2004 7:52:38 AM     Post subject:  

Wait, wait, we're forgetting the obvious ones...

-- Compuholio
-- Mitch
-- Mouse
-- Donotsue
-- Jerry
-- IceCat

Oh, wait, wait, this isn't role call? Nevermind.
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Posted: 4/8/2004 6:24:24 AM     Post subject:  

Steve Martin, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie.

Oh, wait...
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Posted: 4/8/2004 7:14:31 AM     Post subject:  

Steve Martin, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie.

Oh, wait...


You win the thread.

Also: BEST POTENTIAL SITCOM EVER. EVER.
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Posted: 4/8/2004 10:59:29 AM     Post subject:  

Steve Martin, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie

But I have already seen that show... in -97 it must've been... =)

They had Duane as a Guest star! =)
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Posted: 4/8/2004 11:14:26 AM     Post subject:  

Steve Martin, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie.

Oh, wait...


You win the thread.

Also: BEST POTENTIAL SITCOM EVER. EVER.


You shoulda seen the place when there was a particular raving shitclown by the name of Paul Dale (aka "Captain Cartoon"), who's only claim to any real fame was when he did some work on "Captian Simian". Don't know if he ever got named in any credits because I never got the show in my area.
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Posted: 4/8/2004 11:17:56 AM     Post subject:  

Steve Martin, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie.

Oh, wait...



Actually, It's "This Furry House's Mess"

It wouldn't kill the guys to stop drawing fer a few minutes, and help with the house's maintenance and upkeep. Weeell, Doug does help with all the vehicles' servicing and repair, maintaining the House's computer systems up (He is the house IT guy,) does the dishes, assist on bathroom care, etc...(*)

Allright, It wouldn't kill Steve to stop drawing naked bunnies fer a few minutes to help with the house's maintenance.


(*) (And all these at a cost of two daily pack of cigs!.)(**) :D
(**) (Oh, and Jewish Rye bread and Kosher hot dogs, too...)
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Posted: 4/8/2004 11:34:01 AM     Post subject:  

You shoulda seen the place when there was a particular raving shitclown by the name of Paul Dale (aka "Captain Cartoon"), who's only claim to any real fame was when he did some work on "Captian Simian". Don't know if he ever got named in any credits because I never got the show in my area.


Oh, Gods, him,... Captain "Why can't i S***!." Six months of him yelling from the loo, at odd hours of the morning about his inability to take a cr*p (Semi-blockage in the colon area, which he would also "inform" the house about from inside the bathroom,)...

He landed the "Captain Simian" gig after he left the house, and after two weeks of employment, he sent us a OMGIAMWORKINGONTEHTOONSLOLISYOU letter, with an issue of "Animation Magazine" about the show, which had his name listed,...

...That same week, he got fired ("Incompatabilities with the crew,"...) Never heard his name in animation circles ever again. :roll:

Him, and Kevin Duane's 3 months, 3 weeks, 3 days "I'm only staying a couple days" visit in 1997, as Karri pointed out above, have been the house's only "truly weird experiences." Scratch that, add the time a whole squad of Japanese Kemono artists (Trump, some other Nippon furs/artists, and their translator,) swooped down on Steve's house after a con. It ended up with them slap-fighting each other (literally) over a little bottle of Tabasco sauce from one of my old US Navy survival kits (They wanted it for their pizzas we ordered that night,)...

Surreal.
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Posted: 4/8/2004 5:09:11 PM     Post subject:  

Oh, Hey Bob! =)

Yeah.. twas a fun visit... not as hellish as all the other places I've heard rumors of...or then y'all were on yer best behaviour. =)

And Googly Kevin too.. =)

Oh and...You really should get that "Paul Dale -the angry fanboy" answering machine tape into digital... for our enjoyment...
Haven't heard it for.. 5 years at least..

Never have heard anyone being so mad over... well something trivial for sure... It'd be great to animate to that soundtrack! =)
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Posted: 4/8/2004 5:41:19 PM     Post subject:  

Oh, Hey Bob! =)


Hallo Karri. Nice to see you around again. :)

You really should get that "Paul Dale -the angry fanboy" answering machine tape into digital... for our enjoyment...
Haven't heard it for.. 5 years at least..


Oh Jeebus H. Khrist, I totally forgot about that tape!. God, i don't even know were the hell that thing would after all these years, but MP3ing it would be a great idea. I will ask Steve or Doug about it.

Never have I heard anyone being so mad over... well something trivial for sure... It'd be great to animate to that soundtrack! =)


The angriest fanboy rant in the world...I will look around for it, but I think that Michael Hirtes also taped that outburst on his camera at San Diego Comic Con (Can you confirm that, Mike?.)
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Posted: 4/8/2004 5:59:03 PM     Post subject:  

Well...It was Michael who sent me a video of that Comic Con... loong, long ago when I was just starting this wacky fur-hobby.. =D
It's been packed away for some years...but still safe.

I especially laughed at the plans about the animated show... And the special offers ya guys made....
When ya pre-order your tape now ya also get a Sample Platter..or was it cross-section of Paul Dale's feces... =)

Got my first glimpse on sketchbook culture and fursuits too on that vid... Some chick was dressed as Omaha.. =)

Little did I know where it would all end 10 years later... in a flaming furry war!
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Posted: 4/8/2004 6:13:03 PM     Post subject:  

Little did I know where it would all end 12 years later... in a flaming furry war!


I visualize it more as walking thru a dense minefield, flanked by both opposing sides,... Having to watch your step, and both camps' stray rounds everyday,...

Fun...
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Posted: 4/8/2004 6:40:29 PM     Post subject:  

Scratch that, add the time a whole squad of Japanese Kemono artists (Trump, some other Nippon furs/artists, and their translator,) swooped down on Steve's house after a con. It ended up with them slap-fighting each other (literally) over a little bottle of Tabasco sauce from one of my old US Navy survival kits (They wanted it for their pizzas we ordered that night,)...

Surreal.


Oh please. Tell us more about this. Provide pictures if you can. I just cannot fathom the idea of a bunch of kemono artists acting like the Three Stooges over an MRE Tabasco bottle.
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Posted: 4/8/2004 6:46:44 PM     Post subject:  

Oh and...You really should get that "Paul Dale -the angry fanboy" answering machine tape into digital... for our enjoyment...
Haven't heard it for.. 5 years at least..

Never have heard anyone being so mad over... well something trivial for sure... It'd be great to animate to that soundtrack! =)


I have the audio on one of my videocassettes as it was played at San Diego Comic Con '94 (a lot of background noise of over 30,000 fanboys in one massive room, but I could make out the words).

The one bit that still cracks me up:

PAUL: ".....NOBODY EVER TALKS THAT WAY TO ME!!!!"

BOB (not on tape but speaking as it's being played): "I do."

Martin did wish that Mike Judge would do an animated version (back before Judge got sucky and started doing King of the Hill), but I could really imagine what a Shmorkyfied version would look like.

Since then, all of my videos are now archived down onto DVD-R (although I still keep only the most important (to me) cassettes in storage, "just in case". I'm still trying to collect more stuff for my "Sick Sad World of Furry" compilation project, IF a certain someone would finally get his new VCR and get that much needed copy he has sent off to me (gently nudges with a cattleprod).
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Posted: 4/8/2004 11:20:12 PM     Post subject:  

Should I even ask.. but remenecing all the old stuff brought in mind ... whatever's happened to Robert Hill, if anything ?
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Posted: 4/9/2004 2:07:56 AM     Post subject:  

Scratch that, add the time a whole squad of Japanese Kemono artists (Trump, some other Nippon furs/artists, and their translator,) swooped down on Steve's house after a con. It ended up with them slap-fighting each other (literally) over a little bottle of Tabasco sauce from one of my old US Navy survival kits (They wanted it for their pizzas we ordered that night,)...

Surreal.


Oh please. Tell us more about this. Provide pictures if you can. I just cannot fathom the idea of a bunch of kemono artists acting like the Three Stooges over an MRE Tabasco bottle.


You got it pegged more or less, Mike. During one of the last Confurences being held in Orange County, the whole Japanese Kemono group attending it decided to show up at Steve's house (Plus all their tag-a-longs, and their host/translator.) Come dinner time, they ask if we could order pizza in. Pizza came, and they ask if we had any hot sauce, specially Tobasco. We looked around, couldn't find any, then I remember the tiny Tobasco bottle that i had as a souvenir from my US Navy service time.

Gave it to them, walked to the kitchen, heard some obviously angry back-and-forth japanese coursing/shouting, and walked back in time to witness a few of the Japanese guys bitch-slapping each other Stooge style. That lasted about 10 seconds, followed by a pause, and an awkward silent moment. Never saw who finally got the bottle.

There has been two large bottles of Tobasco sauce in the spice cabinet ever since, just in case. Multimedia?, Mike, it was so fast and wacky, even if I had a digital camera back them, i would just be standing there, mouth open, just trying to comprehend WTF was going on, just like the rest of the people not involved were doing... :shock:
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Posted: 4/9/2004 2:10:53 AM     Post subject:  

Should I even ask.. but remenecing all the old stuff brought in mind ... whatever's happened to Robert Hill, if anything ?


I guess that's directed to me?. Don't know, really... Steve writes to him sometimes, and Doug told me a while back he was doing something artwise with Kevin "Burn the Chair" Duane. :?
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Posted: 4/9/2004 2:32:07 AM     Post subject:  

This is starting to sound more and more like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

I <3 it.

Especially the stuff about the Japanese Artists. Pure comedy gold.
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You got it pegged more or less, Mike. During one of the last Confurences being held in Orange County, the whole Japanese Kemono group attending it decided to show up at Steve's house (Plus all their tag-a-longs, and their host/translator.) Come dinner time, they ask if we could order pizza in. Pizza came, and they ask if we had any hot sauce, specially Tobasco. We looked around, couldn't find any, then I remember the tiny Tobasco bottle that i had as a souvenir from my US Navy service time.

Gave it to them, walked to the kitchen, heard some obviously angry back-and-forth japanese coursing/shouting, and walked back in time to witness a few of the Japanese guys bitch-slapping each other Stooge style. That lasted about 10 seconds, followed by a pause, and an awkward silent moment. Never saw who finally got the bottle.

There has been two large bottles of Tobasco sauce in the spice cabinet ever since, just in case. Multimedia?, Mike, it was so fast and wacky, even if I had a digital camera back them, i would just be standing there, mouth open, just trying to comprehend WTF was going on, just like the rest of the people not involved were doing... :shock:


Do you realise that this shatters my previous image of Japanese furry artists as ubercool badass motherfuckers? True, your average doujinshi creator is (by definition) fucked in the head to the MAXX, but I always pictured them as monocled beatnik-types who were calm, collected and cool in social situations, saving up every last drop of insanity and sexual frustration they ever experienced in their entire lifetimes for the drawing table.

In short I kinda had an impression of the Japanese furries similar to the one this Ecchi Attack article has of Uziga; people who've managed to roll the insanity counter over and wind up looking the opposite of what you'd expect when finally encountered in MEATSPACE.
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Posted: 4/9/2004 2:28:10 PM     Post subject:  

Just like the neigbors say as the cameras pan to the police rolling the body bags out of the house after emptying the contents of the walk-in freezer.....

"He was always such a quiet person."
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Posted: 4/9/2004 3:08:01 PM     Post subject:  

This is starting to sound more and more like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

Shit, there ought to be made a feature film making use of all the furry horror stories.

"Fur and Loathing": The story of an innocent, aspiring artist dragged down by a fandom she never understood: Furry convention scandals. Irate fanboys. Fursuit sex. Bitch-slapping. Cum-covered elevators. Tabasco sauce. In cinemas december 18th.

Made right, this could be brilliant.
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Posted: 4/9/2004 4:04:46 PM     Post subject:  

Make it all grainy and documentary-like like The Blair Witch Project.

On April 25, three filmmakers entered a convention in search of the legend of the Yiff Bitch. They were never heard from again. This film is all that remains. It has been titled The Yiff Bitch Project.

Hmm... in looking up the CF date for accuracy, I was not aware that 2003 was the last CF.

ConFurence is no more.

After ConFurence 2003, I can no longer afford to run the convention. I lost too much of my time, energy, money, and friendships along the way, and it's time to walk away from it.

A full explanation of my reasons is printed in the CF2003 Souvenir Program Book (See below, embedded Flash6 version). If you can't see flash o your computer, and want to read it, ask to borrow a copy from an attendee of ConFurence 2003, which was held in Burbank California on April 25-27, 2003.

Very soon now, I will post more information here regarding the future of The ConFurence Group which still exists as a business entity, dedicated to promoting anthropomorphic fandom related events. Until then, thank you for playing.

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Posted: 4/10/2004 1:43:57 AM     Post subject:  

Do you realise that this shatters my previous image of Japanese furry artists as ubercool badass motherfuckers? True, your average doujinshi creator is (by definition) fucked in the head to the MAXX, but I always pictured them as monocled beatnik-types who were calm, collected and cool in social situations, saving up every last drop of insanity and sexual frustration they ever experienced in their entire lifetimes for the drawing table.



Well, they were very polite, quiet, and did indeed carry themselves in an air I have only seen in true proffesionals, but after the incident, you came to realize they are just as human as the rest, faults and all. They are not Gods or vulcans, but I have indeed seen people, as you pointed out, propping them up on mighty pedestals, be it because of their art habilities, demure and/or the willingness to cater to the fanboy populace.

...But concerning the incident, they were just hungry japanese guys having a silly argument over a bottle of Tobasco.
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Posted: 4/10/2004 6:39:50 AM     Post subject:  

I'd kill for a bottle of Tabasco.

BANZAI!!!!

F**K Wasabi! I want the Cajun JUICE, BIZATCH!
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Posted: 4/11/2004 12:20:54 AM     Post subject:  

I've always thought japanese act just as they do in Cannonball Run! =)

And now...this Furry House of Hell thread needs a few serious words about the life after yiff... =)
Just think.. if that recording of Nekobe having sex would trigger similar urban legend as the reported hole into hell...
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Posted: 4/11/2004 2:38:59 AM     Post subject:  

Make it all grainy and documentary-like like The Blair Witch Project.

On April 25, three filmmakers entered a convention in search of the legend of the Yiff Bitch. They were never heard from again. This film is all that remains. It has been titled The Yiff Bitch Project.

Hmm... in looking up the CF date for accuracy, I was not aware that 2003 was the last CF.

ConFurence is no more.

After ConFurence 2003, I can no longer afford to run the convention. I lost too much of my time, energy, money, and friendships along the way, and it's time to walk away from it.

A full explanation of my reasons is printed in the CF2003 Souvenir Program Book (See below, embedded Flash6 version). If you can't see flash o your computer, and want to read it, ask to borrow a copy from an attendee of ConFurence 2003, which was held in Burbank California on April 25-27, 2003.

Very soon now, I will post more information here regarding the future of The ConFurence Group which still exists as a business entity, dedicated to promoting anthropomorphic fandom related events. Until then, thank you for playing.

Darrel L. Exline
Director, The ConFurence Group


Holy shit! Darrel-Con is over and done, fork stuck in it and all?!

Now to count down until Kage-Con comes to a screeching halt.

Have any of these people noted the dearth of Trek conventions? With a dying core base, there's no really money. Furry is slowly croaking and shrinking around a rotten core. If Trek ain't making the money, furry sure isn't going to. They should just convert them over intro swingers' conventions but A) half the attendees you wouldn't want to fuck and B) the other half don't know how to fuck.

Never mind. Just end it all.
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Posted: 4/11/2004 4:06:10 AM     Post subject:  

Holy shit! Darrel-Con is over and done, fork stuck in it and all?!


Yep. Darell bought a tarnished con off of Mark Merlino, and after several years of dumping not only his life savings, the money from his mother's life insurance policy, AND taking out a 2nd mortgage on his house to fund it, he STILL closed the books being OVER SIXTY GRAND in the hole. Science needs to create a word truly worthy of such blithering stupidity as Darell Exline's.

And how did the snivelers in furrydumb take it? Well DUH! They whined and bitched about there not being any more CFs for them to spew their bodily fluids at, and wanted to hold a lynching on Darell because they found out that a film crew from the Jimmy Kimmel Show was going to be taping the con there.

Some gratitude, huh? It's like the opposite of the Special Olympics slogan "There are no winners here. Only losers."

Now to count down until Kage-Con comes to a screeching halt.


Sooner or later, they all go down. Just a matter of time.

Have any of these people noted the dearth of Trek conventions? With a dying core base, there's no really money. Furry is slowly croaking and shrinking around a rotten core. If Trek ain't making the money, furry sure isn't going to. They should just convert them over intro swingers' conventions but A) half the attendees you wouldn't want to fuck and B) the other half don't know how to fuck.


Well, Merlino did try to promote CF in a bunch of gay publications, thus the infamous ConFurence 8 came to be and is still spoken about to this day.
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Posted: 4/11/2004 4:19:40 PM     Post subject:  


Have any of these people noted the dearth of Trek conventions? With a dying core base, there's no really money. Furry is slowly croaking and shrinking around a rotten core. If Trek ain't making the money, furry sure isn't going to. They should just convert them over intro swingers' conventions but A) half the attendees you wouldn't want to fuck and B) the other half don't know how to fuck.


Well, Merlino did try to promote CF in a bunch of gay publications, thus the infamous ConFurence 8 came to be and is still spoken about to this day.


Oh yeah, I remember the flame festival that a.f.f became. I was still trying to play peacemaker and stand in the middle of the road back then. Of course, the infamous elevator incident is to this day denied by people who weren't there and claimed to have been mayo or something other than semen. I think Kline and Danielle could tell the difference.
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Posted: 4/11/2004 9:41:16 PM     Post subject:  

Oh yeah, I remember the flame festival that a.f.f became. I was still trying to play peacemaker and stand in the middle of the road back then. Of course, the infamous elevator incident is to this day denied by people who weren't there and claimed to have been mayo or something other than semen. I think Kline and Danielle could tell the difference.


To this day, I still think "The Semen Elevators" would be a great name for a punk/alternative band.
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Posted: 4/13/2004 4:00:11 AM     Post subject:  

Oh yeah, I remember the flame festival that a.f.f became. I was still trying to play peacemaker and stand in the middle of the road back then. Of course, the infamous elevator incident is to this day denied by people who weren't there and claimed to have been mayo or something other than semen. I think Kline and Danielle could tell the difference.


To this day, I still think "The Semen Elevators" would be a great name for a punk/alternative band.


Or for the Brits about, "The Cum Lift". Wouldn't have been out of place in the 80s and would now be a great thing to hear on those 80s flashback shows on the radio. "And leading into the hour we had The Cum Lift with Spooge".

Merlino down, Exeline down, who's next? How long till we hear the end of Mephit, CACE, etc.? We should have a Furry-Con Dead Pool.
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Posted: 4/13/2004 11:42:52 AM     Post subject:  




Holy shit! Darrel-Con is over and done, fork stuck in it and all?!

Now to count down until Kage-Con comes to a screeching halt.

Have any of these people noted the dearth of Trek conventions? With a dying core base, there's no really money. Furry is slowly croaking and shrinking around a rotten core. If Trek ain't making the money, furry sure isn't going to. They should just convert them over intro swingers' conventions but A) half the attendees you wouldn't want to fuck and B) the other half don't know how to fuck.

Never mind. Just end it all.


Actually, AC is one of the few conventions outside of Anime that is actually getting a substantial increase every year in newcomers to the convention. With a large number of Anime convention goers getting currious about the furry fandom, it's amazing the number of people who know me from the various anime cons I go to who see me at AC and freakout.

AC will be around for a while, though I think Kage may be running out of steam.
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Posted: 4/13/2004 11:50:41 AM     Post subject:  


Merlino down, Exeline down, who's next? How long till we hear the end of Mephit, CACE, etc.? We should have a Furry-Con Dead Pool.


Hmm... Well, I'd almost put money on MFM going away soon. Very few of the original folks are there, and I personally think TigerCowboy is running it for ego more then anything.

C-ACE I think has a chance of surviving for a while, since it's most about arts and music then centered around the furry fandom.

Midwest FurFest (MFF) will most likely end up completely taking over MFM, which it basically has already.

I figure a lot of the little, regional conventions will grow and shrink, die and be reborn, since most are run by one or two people and they are sure to get screwed over and/or burnt out pretty quickly. Cape May Furmeet, Furry Weekend Atlanta, the new one down near Virginia Tech, all will probably stay pretty small.

I find it interesting that a lot of sci-fi cons are getting "furry tracks" because of money. One thing you can say about furry is, the ones without money will always be poor but the ones with money at anytime will work their asses off to get it back if they get fucked over and taken advantage of.
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Posted: 4/13/2004 2:28:27 PM     Post subject:  

I know jack and squat about arranging, running, and funding cons, but I don't see how someone organizes 10+ cons and winds up personally in debt. Wouldn't the registration fees and such be calculated to cover the costs of the convention center, food, etc., so that the attendes wind up footing the bill, rather than those that arrange it?
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Posted: 4/13/2004 2:55:10 PM     Post subject:  

Wouldn't the registration fees and such be calculated to cover the costs of the convention center, food, etc., so that the attendes wind up footing the bill, rather than those that arrange it?
That would require economic sense though.

Besides, can you imagine what would happen if they did jack up the price rather than footing the bill out of the goodness of their hearts? Why, they'd be accused of being capitalist extortionist nazis on A.F.F. within 24 hours after the news came out...
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Posted: 4/13/2004 4:18:00 PM     Post subject:  

How silly of me. Everyone knows in the furry utopia that will someday be, everything is paid for in skritches and blowjobs.
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Posted: 4/14/2004 12:24:46 AM     Post subject:  

How silly of me. Everyone knows in the furry utopia that will someday be, everything is paid for in skritches and blowjobs.


No, just skritches. Furries generally don't know how to give anything remotely recognizable as a blowjob and "pawjobs" are not even close to what you'd call a handjob. Too bad because furry would be a whole lot more sane if they COULD on average fuck worth a damn. But first, they need therapy. YEARS of it. And if furries were wealthy, you'd see therapists lining up, Therefore, they never will get any better and furry will remain a very screwed up place full of neurotic nutcases.
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Posted: 4/14/2004 2:21:12 AM     Post subject:  

Ummm... Let's be fair with the furry conventions.

I think many factors participated on ConFurence's demise.

First factor: the rather misguided open-mindness that characterized the first confurences. Around the mid-90s, the con was almost a 3 day long drag queen show, and the only conexions to furry fandom were the infamous furstuits with SPHs and all that kind of stuff Shawn Keller shows on his site. Many people who enjoyed the fandom decided not to go, especially after the famous elevator episode.

Second factor: Darell Exline, chairman of the confurence from the mid 90s until its demise had an erratic trajectory that confused many would-be attendants. His lack of contol when submitting messages to newsgroups upset many people, and at the end rumors started to spread. Some of those rumors even considered him a Burned Fur, making his convention lose the favor of many lifestylers, too.

Third factor: the memorable restrictions to furry porn from 1999, that would make porn artists and their potential customer wary about Confurence, even if they changed the hotel shortly after. Confurence wouldn't recover from this anymore.

And the final straw was the intervention of a press team on the last confurence, after the terrible blows to the Furry Fandom that biased and cruel media had inflicted on Furrydom's reputation. The images I have seen of that show display empty corridors, little movement and very few people hanging around. The Confurence was doomed.

In fact, what made Confurence collapse down was a terribly bad management and the unability of Exline to keep a neutral position within the fandom.
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Posted: 4/14/2004 9:20:55 AM     Post subject:  

I know jack and squat about arranging, running, and funding cons, but I don't see how someone organizes 10+ cons and winds up personally in debt. Wouldn't the registration fees and such be calculated to cover the costs of the convention center, food, etc., so that the attendes wind up footing the bill, rather than those that arrange it?


According to the story as I've heard it, Darrel had a contract with the host hotel for X number of rooms to be booked in it's "block" of reservations. Any rooms not reserved by furries would be billed to Darrel. That's why at cons you tend to see stuff like "con suites", because it's just the committee trying to make some use out of space that might not get used but is being paid for anyway.

Darrel made his sweetheart deal back when the California economy was still booming, for a multi-year deal.

However.........

Each con saw less attendence than the one before it (no Merlino running the show, but there were still a lot of clowns like Duane showing up to give people the Oogies).

By now, Darrel was seriously in debt, but he had to stay duct-taped to the wheel of this sinking ship until the last year of that contract was completed. Once that was over he slammed down the lid and is now looking at a sixty grand debt.

And once that was that, guess who comes slithering back in from the past and is trying to start another furry fagfest in So. California, as if nothing ever happened?
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