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The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Hey, I just heard a rumor that some SA goons crashed a Texas furry convention and raised hell. Anyone else hear about that?

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Didnt hear anything, it was probably TexasFurryCon.org if anything...that was held over the weekend.

"raising hell" probably consisted of goons (possibly furry-goons) making fun of someone, getting caught without con badges, and mouthing off to con security as hotel security unceremoniously threw them out on thier asses

seriously, there is way better shit to do at a hotel than crashing a furry con. Hell, Im into some of this stuff and I wont dare go to one in case Vanity Fair is waiting to burst out of hiding and take my picture getting hugged by some fursuiter or something.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

It's true. The stories of the "perpetrators" are interesting. It was a last-minute, poorly planned excercise where they went in to talk to some friends of theirs (without paying admission) while wearing SomethingAwful T-shirts. They barely had time to take any pictures before the organizers flipped out, stuck them in a room where they signed some crazy "confession" promising never again to defame The Fandom, and berated them all the way to their car.

I'd cut n' paste a better account, BUT I AM LE TIRED.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Basically, a couple of goons went along with a couple of artists, and left a sketch of the SA logo with "WE ARE WATCHING" underneath. Inspired by this, a couple of different goons decided to have a look, infiltrated the "Horse-patality Room," generally mixed quietly with the furs and chatted a bit, and then unfortunately the SA shirt one of them was wearing attracted notice... Nothing violent happened, just that their car was blocked in for a couple of hours by the furs before they signed some kind of crazy "apology" and were allowed to leave.

See this chatlog (thx to Verix), also some LJ reactions:

someone posted posters with a handgrenade saying that SA.com was watching. The folks running SA should be VERY glad we didn't call the police and report the terrorist threat, especially since we were just across the street from the airport.

But if I had known, I would have gotten the two cops that were there, and pointed out the poster, and the website, and gotten it into a serious matter. I don't put up with that kinda stuff myself. I'd have them look into it as a terrorist threat, and when the SA guys tried to leave when challenged, I would have tried to get them arrested for it. Woulda been great. They're not so tough when they're out of their precious forum.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

just that their car was blocked in for a couple of hours by the furs before they signed some kind of crazy "apology" and were allowed to leave.

If that ever happens to you all you gotta do is get a couple guys jumping on the front bumper (on a front-drive car) until the car is hopping and another guy leaning into the fender, and on each hop the car will shift about an inch. You can rotate a vehicle 360 degrees doing this (me and some guys used to do this in high school all the time - but in reverse, to block people in :) im sure it would work the other way around)

stuck them in a room where they signed some crazy "confession" promising never again to defame The Fandom

...thats fuckin weird

christ, they are lucky they didnt dragged into the reprogramming lounge..

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

From what I understand they didn't even DO anything. It's just that as soon as they found out they were from the forums the furries pulled them out of there. They ganged up on the goons and forced them to do things by blocking their path. They did nothing wrong and yet the goons were treated like criminals. Gee, that sounds like bigotry to me... in fact... you could even say... they were terrorists?

hahahahahahahahaha

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

They did nothing wrong and yet the goons were treated like criminals. Gee, that sounds like bigotry to me... in fact... you could even say... they were terrorists?

The best part is that stuff like this happens all the time. Not usually on that scale of sheer crazy, but the "they may be haters, we must GET THEM! Who cares if our methods are illegal and unethical, GET THEM!" mindset is surprisingly common.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

From what I understand they didn't even DO anything. It's just that as soon as they found out they were from the forums the furries pulled them out of there. They ganged up on the goons and forced them to do things by blocking their path. They did nothing wrong and yet the goons were treated like criminals. Gee, that sounds like bigotry to me... in fact... you could even say... they were terrorists?

IMO, at ANY furry con where Shon Howell is a bigshot, I take allegience with the other side by default.

And Texas? Phht. Freakin' dump should be called Dubyastan as far as I'm concerned.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Yes, the classic furry heavy-handed approach of weeding out all who are or may be one of the infidels. I remember during my FurryMUCK days I feel in with a crowd that did little things to try and be a thorn in furrydom's side. I can't confidently assert that we had a hand in the incident where a hotel hosting a con required Post-It notes be placed over all naughty bits, but it's very possible. We did have a hand in "inspiring" the operators of VCL at the time to remove and restrict artwork depicting copyrighted characters in furry porn... such as Lola Bunny, Fifi LaFume, Rocko's Modern Life characters and even <shudder> Sebulba from Star Wars Episode I (the champion pod racer that looked like a dessicated camel corpse). Apparently, Warner Brothers, Nickelodeon, Lucasfilm and others heard about this stuff......... somehow. <ahem>

We would discuss these kinds of things, as well as just poke fun at furrydom in general, in a private room in one of the "houses" one of the group members had on FM. I don't know if you remember a fellow that called himself Random on FurryMUCK, but he was a part of the group off and on. Unfortunately, his tactics were mostly making an ass of himself. He had been banned from FM for a while. Well, one day, I get pulled aside by some of the wizzes saying they had been going over logs from those "private" discussions (naturally, nothing on a MUCK is private from the wizzes), and it was their suspicion that I had let Random's player use some of my character accounts (I only had 2). Of course, a simple look at ISP info and all of where Random logged in from, and where any of my characters came from, would have easily demonstrated that I was the only one using my characters. But.. since when has factual evidence ever swayed furry opinion? So, my alleged transgression, coupled with my suspected involvement in the hotel scandal..... based on what they could tell of our conversations, which were monitored... I was likewise banned from FurryMUCK. I was invited to submit an apology for an abbretivated term of banishment, but I just told them to <bleep> themselves. I told them in an email that banishment from FM wasn't punishment, it was liberation. I said they forgot the first rule of espionage... keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, and that, by banning me, they lost their means of keeping tabs on what I might do to stick in the craw of the furry pornsters. Word was it had them a little worried, but I doubt much.

Anyway, that's furry justice for you. Destroy the guilty, and even the suspicious, just in case they do something that challenges the furry view of the world.

Kinda interesting from a fandom that has a notorious persecution complex.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Anyway, that's furry justice for you. Destroy the guilty, and even the suspicious, just in case they do something that challenges the furry view of the world.

That's one way of putting it - the goons in question, as far as I can tell, didn't have any intentions towards actually doing anything to the furries - if anything, they were simply curious given all the weird shit that has been said about the fandom and wanted to see what the real deal was. Of course, the furries inadvertantly obliged, and demonstrated that the real deal was a massive persecution complex coupled with an overbearing eagerness to "get back at the haters".
In any case, if gathering a 50-1 numerical advantage and standing in front of a car for hours looking like idiots counts as a victory, then I suppose the furries "won". They still look like idiots though.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

The SA goons should have simply sat back with their arms folded across their chests, called the local police, and had the furries in question arrested for illegal restraint and harassment.

Simple, quick, to-the-point, and endlessly more damaging to furrydumb than anything they could put on SA, because when it comes right down to it, the furry fandom is infinitely more goon-like and mob-mental than all the SA, PoE, CYD, etc. people combined.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Kinda interesting from a fandom that has a notorious persecution complex.

FURSECUTION!

Perhaps some Something awful goons should gatecrash a con and stage an impromtu performence of "The Crucible".

That would educate em'.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Can you say...

Unlawful Detainment?

I figured so. That con won't be happening next year, because I can bet you some laywers are gonna have a field day with this one.

You know anything those "goons" could have done physically would have been considered self defense?

That, and anything they signed is not binding. It was signed under duress.

I hope they tell the world what happened. I hope the furries get such a black eye over this, that it starts the ball rolling for cleaning up the mess that is the fandumb.

Kalluxe · Recusant Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4

Those of you with an SA Forum account should find these threads relevant:

Thread 1
Thread 2

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Oh great. You gotta pay to play with them, huh?

Nice.

Pretty much they've had to deal with trolls already. Looks like SA is just as paranoid as the fat boys over at that Texas convention.

Kalluxe · Recusant Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4

Oh great. You gotta pay to play with them, huh?

I've found my account to be well worth the paltry $10 that it costs. Bandwidth isn't free, kids.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Those of you with an SA Forum account should find these threads relevant:

Thread 1
Thread 2

And for those of us who don't it would have been nice to copy/paste the discussion (and no, I don't think it would be "theft of intellectual property" if you did).

And no, I refuse to shell out money for any subscription over the net. As many a pr0nmonger has found out, these subscriptions are a serious bitch to cancel, and they keep getting their credit cards cornholed once a month.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

^^^ edit: it's a one-time fee, over pay pal. No credit card, no recurring payments. And it's worth it.

Yeah, the furries stepped way over the line. I read the thread, and I can't say they were any sort of justified in doing what they did.

Terrorist threat. Please. :roll:

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

^^^ edit: it's a one-time fee, over pay pal. No credit card, no recurring payments. And it's worth it.

Yeah, the furries stepped way over the line. I read the thread, and I can't say they were any sort of justified in doing what they did.

Terrorist threat. Please. :roll:

Now, if I was in that vehicle, I wouldn't be so intimidated. In fact, I'd be more concerned that as the car is being rocked around, my foot might land on the gas pedal........several times.

Oh yeah. Teh furries would NOT want to pull any of that "surround his car!" shit with me. Yes indeedy.

Kalluxe · Recusant Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4

And for those of us who don't it would have been nice to copy/paste the discussion (and no, I don't think it would be "theft of intellectual property" if you did).

I have no inclination to quote 20+ pages of forum material.

And no, I refuse to shell out money for any subscription over the net. As many a pr0nmonger has found out, these subscriptions are a serious bitch to cancel, and they keep getting their credit cards cornholed once a month.

Wait, haven't I seen you kissing SA's ass every time they post so much of a scrap of anti-furry material? And you can't be bothered to shell out for one miserable account?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I have no inclination to quote 20+ pages of forum material.

Well then, please don't expect us to all have SA accounts when you post something like that.

Wait, haven't I seen you kissing SA's ass every time they post so much of a scrap of anti-furry material? And you can't be bothered to shell out for one miserable account?

So, you now regard yourself as someone who can tell me how to spend my money, eh?

Besides, I had a friend who subbed onto SA forums once. For that whole month it was nothing but lame stuff written by goon wannabes. Wasn't worth the ten spot at all.

And uh, how is posting a pic link is seen as "kissing SA's ass"? I don't see where you're coming from. At least in my SA links, those links are 100% open and don't require any subscription.

Just out of curiousity, SA has a policy where referrals get you some sort of discount or free subscription service, doesn't it? :wink:

Back to the reeking Hellpits of AFF with you, flamer.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

And no, I refuse to shell out money for any subscription over the net. As many a pr0nmonger has found out, these subscriptions are a serious bitch to cancel, and they keep getting their credit cards cornholed once a month.

It depends on the service and site. Some are a bitch to KEEP recurring. adultbouncer.com is a good example. Some sites you can make nice with the owner. Some sites the owner is personally involved at all times. erotic4u, a celeb/porn site is one such place. Depends on where you go.

I have a problem using any place that DOESN'T go through iBill or CCBill.

Kalluxe · Recusant Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 4

Well then, please don't expect us to all have SA accounts when you post something like that.

Let's review: "Those of you with a SA Forum account should find these threads relevant."

It seems to follow if you want to follow the story about the SA users being harassed you might want to read the threads I posted, and yes, that requires registration.

If you like the front page material (which by your volume of posting links to, would seem to be the case), you'll find more of it in the forums.

And again, there's no monthly fee.

Sulaco · Rasophore Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 61

I heard about this from some goon friends. Pretty funny stuff.

I just hope the furries in question realize they played right into SA's hands with this by acting like complete morons and handling the situation as if there were missiles hurtling toward the con building that very instant. It just goes further to prove that the fandom wigs out at the dumbest things ever, and that they take themselves too seriously to be taken seriously by anyone else.

Also, this contract they made the goons sign saying they'll never defame the fandom again has no legal binding whatsoever. I can't believe they're even THAT stupid.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I have a problem using any place that DOESN'T go through iBill or CCBill.

I once tried subscribing to a site that uses iBill. However, iBill not only charges you the fee to access the site, but they also help themselves to some extra money for themselves, under the bullshit excuse as a "charitable donation" (all without even telling you until you've already sent money to the website, and by then it's too late). Was not happy about getting scammed like that, and even the guy who webmasters the site in question wasn't happy with the shit that iBill had pulled (because it also looks bad on him and makes people wary of going to any iBill type sites again. And he's right because I never signed onto another one since).

Once tried a year's subscription to Adult Pass. What they DON'T tell you is that 99.99% of the sites you can access via AP are just frontdoors trying to get you to upgrade to Adult Pass Gold. And I've heard testimony from the fools who shelled out the extra money for that upgrade will only encounter yet another door that's asking them to send them even more money to subscribe to that particular site.

Just too much bullshit to put up with, IMO. I don't even subscribe for a TotalFark subscription, and they charge half of what SA does.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Wait, haven't I seen you kissing SA's ass every time they post so much of a scrap of anti-furry material? And you can't be bothered to shell out for one miserable account?

So, you now regard yourself as someone who can tell me how to spend my money, eh?

Why do goons have to try to drum up SA Forum subscriptions every fucking place they go?

Its like watching PBS

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Its like watching PBS

"Membership Week was pure irony on public radio: you tried to raise money to pay for your wonderful programs by interrupting your wonderful programs and making this horrible scraping and whining and wheedling noise -- it was truly dreadful...."
-- from "Wobegone Boy", by Garrison Keillor

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Besides, I had a friend who subbed onto SA forums once. For that whole month it was nothing but lame stuff written by goon wannabes. Wasn't worth the ten spot at all.

....

Just out of curiousity, SA has a policy where referrals get you some sort of discount or free subscription service, doesn't it? :wink:

SA doesn't have any referral bonus thingie as far as I remember. I got in back before Lowtax started charging for forum accounts, and I can assure you that it is not a subscription service. In fact I have yet to spend a dime on the site. The initial $10 charge is all you need, unless you want to change your avatar or get banned. Charging for accounts was instituted primarily as a means of keeping SomethingAwful's Slashdot-dwarfing bandwidth requirements down to a point where it's operators can afford them.

Lowtax has been on the business end of many huge internet scams throughout the history of his site. He's as wary as you are; I have yet to read a credible story of him ripping someone off. For this reason, I feel that I can reasonably trust him in this regard.

I'm not in the business of telling people I don't know how to spend their money. However, a front-row seat to stuff like the crashing of that furry convention could be considered one of the benefits of having an account on the SA forums. In the end, it all comes down to a cost/benefit decision that is entirely up to you.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Forgive us for being paranoid.

In my personal opinion, I am very leery when SA is spoken of in high regard. It smells of "agent" activity.

But, then again, first impressions decide everything most of the time. It's usually the judgement of the person who gets a first impression is wrong, and the person being judged isn't anywhere near.

I would reccomend for those that can afford to toss 10 bucks into a forum that isn't of much intrest beyond the occaisional furry bash, to go ahead and do so. I do not have that luxury.

Although I'd be more than happy to hear the occasional contraversy. ~.^

Singing Circus Dog · Recusant Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 2

I heard about this whole fiasco from an SA goon buddy. I am so amused by the whole thing. Oh, furry fandom, way to far exceed our expectations in the worst possible way.

The furries seem quite proud of themselves for having SAVED THE WORLD FROM EVIL TERRORISTS. And by "saving the world from evil terrorists," I mean "wigging out, peeing everywhere, and otherwise being the most violently insecure people in the whole world."

This whole thing kind of makes me want to buy an SA Forums account, actually. Can any of you guys who have them give me a percentage ratio of hilarity to FYAD crap (the latter of which is most of what I've been exposed to from the forums)? 'Cause, I mean, if I want to deal with FYAD-style asshats, I can go to PoE.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

The initial $10 charge is all you need, unless you want to change your avatar or get banned.

I do know that being "outted" as a furry can get you baninated from SA. Dunno if being an ex-furry is OK, but at any rate. As mentioned I'm down to my last dollah so it's all kinda moot unto someone just ptfa from the forums.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

I do know that being "outted" as a furry can get you baninated from SA. Dunno if being an ex-furry is OK, but at any rate. As mentioned I'm down to my last dollah so it's all kinda moot unto someone just ptfa from the forums.

Nobody really gives a shit if you're a furry as long as you don't bring it up every five seconds or seriously refer to people as "mundanes", or any of that other crap.

Can any of you guys who have them give me a percentage ratio of hilarity to FYAD crap (the latter of which is most of what I've been exposed to from the forums)? 'Cause, I mean, if I want to deal with FYAD-style asshats, I can go to PoE.

FYAD crap is mostly confined to FYAD - and trust me, PoE is nothing like FYAD.

J · Recusant Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 1

Oh, furry fandom, way to far exceed our expectations in the worst possible way.

I registered just to second this statement.

Much love for the Furries complaining about terrorism in their livejournals, it's truely one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Oh, furry fandom, way to far exceed our expectations in the worst possible way.

I registered just to second this statement.

Much love for the Furries complaining about terrorism in their livejournals, it's truely one of the most heartwarming things I've ever seen.

I have been noticing this trend in the furry fandom lately. Seems that they're so pissed off about not being congratulated by boinking plushies and jerk off to dreadful doodlings of Dot Warner, and the shame and isolation has finally made them become more militant than ever before.

I mean, just drop a mere mention of an article about furry on AFF, and the first reaction will be something on the lines of "What they say against us now? When a guilty conscience wrestles with a sense of furry supremacy and an uncontrollable urge to yiff, hilarity will always ensue.

Between the incident where "Sibe" got booted from a furry con this year to the SA Goons getting surrounded by a gang of slobbering sweaty retards, I do think furrydom may have finally doomed whatever hope it may have had at redeeming itself. It's gone from a case of a Frodo struggling with the corruption of Ring to becoming a twitchy stinky greasy Gollum.

It's one thing to be notorious as a bunch of sad perverts. Another to be known as a near-violent bunch of sad perverts. Just wait until the stories about furry lynch mobs reaches the ears of all the other genres around fandom in general.

God. I can only imagine the lynch mob that would ensue if I ever showed up at one of these fondlefests. I wish someone that goes to one would spread a "Hey! I think I saw Hirtes checking in a little while ago." rumor just to see what sort of bees-nest it turns into.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I'm not going to AC this year due to priorities(sex and drinking with a few friends versus putting first, last, and security down on an apartment on the cape) but if I were, I'd strongly be tempted to wear three different t-shirts. One with the CYD logo, another from SA, and a third saying, "Another friend of Mike Hirtes".

Violence? I've been warning the putzes of furry about the Columbine types within their midst and how their own abuse at the hands of groups and bullies, real or more likely imagined, has them doing the same damn thing to others when they get into groups. This SA blocking event was just proof. Sooner or later, with all their sick sadistic enjoyment of fucking with the hearts and minds of others, hurting feelings to assuage their own wounded feelings, purposeful soap-opera-like behaviour on the mucks, etc., someone WILL flip out.

But furries for all their talk of being in touch with their animal sides are the farthest thing from it. Unlike them, I AM in touch with my animal side and had they attempted to fuck with me like that, a number of them would have left the area on stretchers with bloody wounds for their troubles. You DO NOT attempt to unlawfully restrain ANYBODY short of the most serious reasons(they just committed rape or murder and you're performing a citizen's arrest).

Being in touch with your animal side means knowing who is the superior predator in the mix and how to deal with that situation. Furries will fuck with other people oblivious to that low growl, that furrowed brow, and that blood-lust glare of anger on the other persons face and... one less furry outside the emergency room.

Will they ever wake up and grow up? Nope. I think it could be brought to an accellarated point by having a biker club hold a get-together the same weekend at the same hotel as a furry con. Just wait till some idiot furry twit mouths off about mundanes and hyoomans within earshot of the bikers. Remember kids, don't say shit to people unless you can back it up or you might end up on the dinner plate.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Being in touch with your animal side means knowing who is the superior predator in the mix and how to deal with that situation. Furries will fuck with other people oblivious to that low growl, that furrowed brow, and that blood-lust glare of anger on the other persons face and... one less furry outside the emergency room.

Well, furries are often in touch with their schlongs, but I dunno about their animal sides for most of them. One of the things that always amused me with furries was the overabundance of stereotypically powerful and "noble" animals, like wolves and big cats, that furries "discover" are their "true selves." But, when you look at these folks and interact with them, you get more the sense that their "animal totem" is.. I dunno.. a bowl weevil.. a banana slug... a sea cucumber......

I'd rather be more in touch with my inner ninja.

I mean, just drop a mere mention of an article about furry on AFF, and the first reaction will be something on the lines of "What they say against us now? When a guilty conscience wrestles with a sense of furry supremacy and an uncontrollable urge to yiff, hilarity will always ensue.

Speaking of this sort of thing, what was the backlash from CSI's "Fur and Loathing in Las Vegas?" The only thing I saw anything about it on was Furcentral.net, and the response was rather tepid.

In any case, if gathering a 50-1 numerical advantage and standing in front of a car for hours looking like idiots counts as a victory, then I suppose the furries "won". They still look like idiots though.

This has been said about discussions on the net in general.. but just replace "on the internet" with "with a furry" and you have....

Arguing with a furry is a lot like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard. :)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I do know that being "outted" as a furry can get you baninated from SA. Dunno if being an ex-furry is OK, but at any rate. As mentioned I'm down to my last dollah so it's all kinda moot unto someone just ptfa from the forums.
Nobody really gives a shit if you're a furry as long as you don't bring it up every five seconds or seriously refer to people as "mundanes", or any of that other crap.

Exactly. Just look at Doodles - he's a classic furry but he's well accepted on SA.

KnightRaider · Recusant Joined: 18 Dec 2003 Posts: 6

I was at that con, being I live in Del Vale, about a half a mile from the hotel where it was held, figured why not. Left early saturday after my fuzball tolerance reached it's limit, so I missed the SA bunch, but had I seen them being held by the 'cuddly fweindly fuwwies' I would have happily dialed 911 and reported that some fat cultists with fake ears and tails are holding people hostage at the Holiday Inn. Too bad I left the con to go back to that Real Life thing that bothers hard core furries so much.

Zeis Montero · Apocrisiary Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

Good lord there's some funny shit in there. A friend let me use her SA forum account to read the thread...you don't know what you're missing.

Sulaco · Rasophore Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 61

Between the incident where "Sibe" got booted from a furry con this year to the SA Goons getting surrounded by a gang of slobbering sweaty retards, I do think furrydom may have finally doomed whatever hope it may have had at redeeming itself. It's gone from a case of a Frodo struggling with the corruption of Ring to becoming a twitchy stinky greasy Gollum.

Actually, Sibe wasn't even booted out, according to the video footage I saw from him. He was just harassed by the Furry Police a few times and spent the majority of the event getting sketches and hiding in people's rooms. The hotel even gave him a shuttle ride out when the con was over.

So yeah, some of these people would just as well organize a victory rally for stepping on a roach that got into one of the con suites. What little they accomplish as human beings is celebrated louder than a mediterranean wedding.

Blair · Rasophore Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 52

What the fuck. Another reason why im staying away from the fandom and doing my own thing. One con a year is enough for me, and damn the money i make from it.

But shit, this is criminal stuff, there should be some sort of lawsuit brewing from this, not that i like to encourage lawsuits, but it seems needed here.

The sa thread IS damn hilarious thou.

Singing Circus Dog · Recusant Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 2

I actually would have paid to be at a furry convention for that. I would have documented the incident FOR POSTERITY. And also for the police.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Michael Hirtes, speaking with sagely wisdom:
I do think furrydom may have finally doomed whatever hope it may have had at redeeming itself.
It's gone from a case of a Frodo struggling with the corruption of Ring to becoming a twitchy stinky greasy Gollum.

If that is the case Michael, then the Burned Furs must be the fallen kings of man, turned wraiths.

Trust me, there have been attempts to save the Furries from the inside. They've failed. Now anyone that calls out the problems inherent to their fandom are labled "nazis", "racists", "bigots", or many other hot-button terms, and summarily hunted down.

The only way it can be saved is if the current "Furdom" dies out. Then those who actually are what originated this whole mess, can clean it up and get it to fly right again.

I guess that makes me Aragorn. ;)

And by the way, your words rang so true to me, I now have it as a Sig-Quote.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

But furries for all their talk of being in touch with their animal sides are the farthest thing from it. Unlike them, I AM in touch with my animal side and had they attempted to fuck with me like that, a number of them would have left the area on stretchers with bloody wounds for their troubles. You DO NOT attempt to unlawfully restrain ANYBODY short of the most serious reasons(they just committed rape or murder and you're performing a citizen's arrest).

I would say they were within their rights to a point. I think they had the right to restrain them if they were going to call the police and have them arrested for being on private property.

Personally, I don't give a shit either way. I think both sides of this BS are in need of a lot of growing up. I think SA goons are pathetic at best in their attempts to harass (and yes, they do) others, and most furries in general are a little too into their own selves to understand that if you are an adult you can ignore it.

Personally, I also think a lot of the folks here take themselves a little too seriously and need to grow up.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Taking ourselves too seriously?

Quite frankly, I take none of this seriously. But, wouldn't you be dissapointed and miffed that a group of leeches has attached themselves to something you enjoy, or at the very least consider a "hobby"?

The Furry community is dysfunctional. Look at their behavior.

We don't take ourselves seriously at all. If we did, we'd be howling at every convention and trolling every bulletin board we came across.

And yes, I consider SA a bunch of rabble. I know the type. They're teh same that shoot down people for even using the wrong label to describe their interests.

I made the mistake of defending the fandumb. I bear the scars right now. I got chased off of a forum for it. Of course I made the mistake of not reading their posts first before joining. But they made it sort of hard to lurk on thier page. They even ban lurkers there.

I'm sick and tired of catching a black eye that should be directed towards the dumbasses that have connected with the genere.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

Taking ourselves too seriously?

Quite frankly, I take none of this seriously. But, wouldn't you be dissapointed and miffed that a group of leeches has attached themselves to something you enjoy, or at the very least consider a "hobby"?

Considering I've been in the furry fandom going on 8 years now, and consider it just as much a hobby fandom as anime or comic books, then no. I've been in the comic book fandom for nearly 20 years now, and see damn near the exact same BS. Every fandom has it's whiners, losers, and rabble rousers.

The comic book fandom has taken the route on making fun of itself, which is what I honestly think the furry fandom should do. You take yourself too seriously you start to act like religions, and considering how much your average furry fan hates religion (aside from the rabid spiritualist) that could be sad.

The Furry community is dysfunctional. Look at their behavior.

I agree whole heartedly on that. I think a lot of people in the furry fandom aren't even really into the fandom as much as looking for someone willing to pat their heads and rub their bellies and tell them what they are doing is ok and they are a good person for it. Also a lot of folks have either been stuck with themselves too long or have such a small pool of friends that you can see the mental inbreeding that that causes. Too many people in their own heads for too long and not actually out trying to enjoy life.

We don't take ourselves seriously at all. If we did, we'd be howling at every convention and trolling every bulletin board we came across.

I don't mean you, but there are several people on this board who do take themselves a little too seriously. That are so rabidly anti-furry that they attack anyone in the furry fandom and not individuals that are fuckups. I personally prefer to attack each moron in turn and not just groups, expect for the babyfurs. I have defended some people, like Xydexx, because they are decent folks.

I'm sick and tired of catching a black eye that should be directed towards the dumbasses that have connected with the genere.

Then do what I do, defend yourself and defend those worth defending. If you can't do that then you deserve what you get.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Then, to steal a quote from a favorite anime of mine...

We have come to terms.

Peeps like Xydexx and the lot I like. They have fun and most of the time keep it real and clean. I've stil alot to explore in this whole genere talked about here, but I have heard... stories. Some that could strip paint off of the walls.

Yeah, I do defend people, but only if they actually don't deserve the flames that come their way.

To use analogies from other generes: If you dress and act like a klingon, don't expect me to be a witness if you get your drunken butt whupped.

There's many f-ups in different generes, it just seems that "TEH FHURRIEZ" are a magnet for them.

Quite frankly there is alot I don't understand, even reading articles here leaves me wanting.

Like the fact that before a certain point there were no Fursuiters, Lifestylers, Zoophiles, or Spiritualists rolling with the real McCoy.

Now we have to deal with the bed made for us because we'd been caught sleeping. While the Burnt Furs were right, they were too late to save the fandom.

And while I think SA has a valid target, I have beefs with them in other issues. Things I won't bring up here because it'd be off topic. Let me sum it up though. SA thinks that Anime=Porn. That's in a nutshell folks. It don't describe the sheer magnitude of other things they rip.

Sometimes I laugh, and sometimes... I want to ring their throat and twist untill I hear a snap. >.<

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

Peeps like Xydexx and the lot I like. They have fun and most of the time keep it real and clean. I've stil alot to explore in this whole genere talked about here, but I have heard... stories. Some that could strip paint off of the walls.

Having been in the furry fandom for as long as I have, and having been in fandoms in general for a very long time, I will tell you it's like a school yard when it comes to stories. Each person that hears it adds to it when they tell it to the next person. It mutates as it passes from lips to ears.

Yeah, there is a lot of shit in the furry fandom that deserves to get called to the mat for. Hell, I'll be the first one in line to say how I see it.

Quite frankly there is alot I don't understand, even reading articles here leaves me wanting.

Best thing I can say is ignore what you read. It's always from one side of the other. Don't freak out about something until you see it.

I've seen the guys running around cons in bondage gear in front of 12 year olds. I've smelt the adults in diapers running around cons and malls near cons. I've felt sorry for the people who make their living dealing with the idiots of every fandom. Until you deal with it and see it in person, don't worry about it.

Like the fact that before a certain point there were no Fursuiters, Lifestylers, Zoophiles, or Spiritualists rolling with the real McCoy.

That's honestly the worst part, there isn't a real McCoy furry. Each group, subcult, what have you, can claim they are part of the furry fandom because there isn't one true unifying thing about the furry fandom. Anime has something to rally around, anime, manga, and video games. Furries rally around pretty much all of those things and go nuts for anything with a little talking animal in it.

Now we have to deal with the bed made for us because we'd been caught sleeping. While the Burnt Furs were right, they were too late to save the fandom.

And that's where being your own person comes in. I've seen a hell of a lot of zombies who follow one person and then get pissed when they are called on the fact that they are just being a sheep.

And while I think SA has a valid target, I have beefs with them in other issues. Things I won't bring up here because it'd be off topic. Let me sum it up though. SA thinks that Anime=Porn. That's in a nutshell folks. It don't describe the sheer magnitude of other things they rip.

Sometimes I laugh, and sometimes... I want to ring their throat and twist untill I hear a snap. >.<

SA isn't worth it. Lowtax is just trying to make a buck of trying desperately to be a bad George Carlin of the Internet. All the goons want to be witty, quick on their feet, and end up falling on their faces.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Michael Hirtes, speaking with sagely wisdom:
I do think furrydom may have finally doomed whatever hope it may have had at redeeming itself.
It's gone from a case of a Frodo struggling with the corruption of Ring to becoming a twitchy stinky greasy Gollum.

If that is the case Michael, then the Burned Furs must be the fallen kings of man, turned wraiths.

Trust me, there have been attempts to save the Furries from the inside. They've failed. Now anyone that calls out the problems inherent to their fandom are labled "nazis", "racists", "bigots", or many other hot-button terms, and summarily hunted down.

The only way it can be saved is if the current "Furdom" dies out. Then those who actually are what originated this whole mess, can clean it up and get it to fly right again.

I guess that makes me Aragorn. ;)

And by the way, your words rang so true to me, I now have it as a Sig-Quote.

Well, just make sure you correct my typo and have it as "I do think furrydom may have finally doomed whatever hope it may have had at redeeming itself. t's gone from a case of a Frodo struggling with the corruption of the Ring to becoming a twitchy stinky greasy Gollum."

(Was writen very early in the morning, with little sleep)

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

Tolerate everything or be a nazi.. thass how the world works allover these days! =)

Be PC and obay!

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I say we'll round them up... Put them in a field....And bomb the bastaaaaaarrrds! =)

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Mous3_Zero wrote:

Trust me, there have been attempts to save the Furries from the inside. They've failed. Now anyone that calls out the problems inherent to their fandom are labled "nazis", "racists", "bigots", or many other hot-button terms, and summarily hunted down.

The opinion I've come to is that furrydom is, as an entity, like an alcoholic. Part of him wants to stop drinking, but the hedonistic and addicted parts of him is just too strong. The change has to come from within, and from the majority of the person, so those cravings to return to his old habits can be fought off.

Peripheral groups aside, furrydom, as an entity, can't be saved, IMO, because it doesn't want to be. The zoophiles, plushophiles, BDSMers and such want to be welcomed with open arms by non-furry society, but the want to be able to parade in their BDSM fursuits, carrying their plushies with SPHs in full view of the public as well. The either can't or refuse to recognize that you can't have it both ways. There's a time and a place for everything, and that place is not always in full view of the public.

The majority of furry has to want to save itself. And, frankly, I don't see that happening. A small sect of furrydom trying to "save" the fandom is kind of like trying to rock climb using only your index fingers.

creature wrote:

I agree whole heartedly on that. I think a lot of people in the furry fandom aren't even really into the fandom as much as looking for someone willing to pat their heads and rub their bellies and tell them what they are doing is ok and they are a good person for it.

That's something I've noticed drives a lot of the furries I encountered... external validation. The make a good show about reveling in their "freak" status. But, in truth, they're pining for folks to tell them that society doesn't think they're looney for insisting they were meant to be born as a dragon, or that they're a good person and that it's perfectly normal to want to stuff their schlong in a Meeko plushie instead of a real person.

I mean, humping a plushie isn't the end of the world. It's about as safe sex as you can get without using your hand. I'm not gonna denounce someone as a waste of DNA for stuffing their hoody-hoo into a Fivel doll...... but I'm certainly not going to give them a medal for it, either.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

The opinion I've come to is that furrydom is, as an entity, like an alcoholic. Part of him wants to stop drinking, but the hedonistic and addicted parts of him is just too strong. The change has to come from within, and from the majority of the person, so those cravings to return to his old habits can be fought off.

Peripheral groups aside, furrydom, as an entity, can't be saved, IMO, because it doesn't want to be. The zoophiles, plushophiles, BDSMers and such want to be welcomed with open arms by non-furry society, but the want to be able to parade in their BDSM fursuits, carrying their plushies with SPHs in full view of the public as well. The either can't or refuse to recognize that you can't have it both ways. There's a time and a place for everything, and that place is not always in full view of the public.

What is there to save? I don't see anything in need of saving.

It ("furry") provides me with All the anthro animal smut that I want and even the occasional piece of non-erotic interest ;o)

Sure, There are a lot of idiots. But hey, you got those everywhere, and idiots usually get what they deserve in the end.

Reap what you sow and all that.

That's something I've noticed drives a lot of the furries I encountered... external validation. The make a good show about reveling in their "freak" status. But, in truth, they're pining for folks to tell them that society doesn't

TRUE!

Humans are diverse, and it's silly to rely on or hope for validation of your beliefs from others.

Though this doesn't mean we should totally ignore what others think, but its bad to rely on others for your sense of self worth.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

Peripheral groups aside, furrydom, as an entity, can't be saved, IMO, because it doesn't want to be. The zoophiles, plushophiles, BDSMers and such want to be welcomed with open arms by non-furry society, but the want to be able to parade in their BDSM fursuits, carrying their plushies with SPHs in full view of the public as well. The either can't or refuse to recognize that you can't have it both ways. There's a time and a place for everything, and that place is not always in full view of the public.

A lot of the supposed BSDM people in the furry fandom aren't. They refuse to follow the rules set forth by the real BSDM community and are just sadists and masochists looking for victims and doers. Knowing real, true BSDM people, I laugh at a good 90% of the people in the furry fandom that stroll around in gear in public view (and by public view I don't mean just inside the hotel, I mean walking down the street to MickeyD's and in front of childern in a public park).

I've been to Black Rose and Fetish Fair Fleamarket, where the rules are in full force. You don't go outside the hotel(s) in gear, hell half the time you don't even go out of your room in gear. Sure, there are women and men in skin tight clothing, but that's far easier to deal with then some jackass running around in a harness, straps, and a ball gag.

That's something I've noticed drives a lot of the furries I encountered... external validation. The make a good show about reveling in their "freak" status. But, in truth, they're pining for folks to tell them that society doesn't think they're looney for insisting they were meant to be born as a dragon, or that they're a good person and that it's perfectly normal to want to stuff their schlong in a Meeko plushie instead of a real person.

You know, at the end of the day I don't care what people think they should have been born as. Monkey, dragon, slug, guy down the street named Fritz, I don't care. Just don't expect me to be involved in your version of reality. Mine is interesting enough.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Sorta sounds like the situation at CONvergence (A mish-mash of every phanboi genere on earth...)

You see, every year, a BDSM group in our state rents out a floor in the hotel. Occasionally (especially on the second night when everyone's practically in costume after the Masquerade) there are times around the elevators when you see more vynl and rubber than a raincoat factory.

Although, it's not as much of a problem because the conworkers are quite vigilant about trying to keep "the genie in the bottle" with that group.

As for the drinking... :( -o- :(

I guess getting 1 for 1 is better than a 0 for 2.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

All I have to say is: Thank you. ^.^

That will provide hours of cheap entertainment!

Get in ze car!

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Utterly, utterly freaking amazing. I always knew that furries tended to go ballistic any time someone came near their little bubble of existence with a pointy object, but it just continues to get worse. They are really, really lucky the folks who, apparently, are not even SA goons, but SA forumites, did not call the cops. I don't know if they didn't think to, or simply decided not to. It would have been a pleasant black mark on the fandumb. But, if they opted not to, they get kudos for not making a bad situation worse.

I wonder if they were hoping for something like this, for the thrill of some kind of Jackass-like or Punk'd type stunt.

And as far as what some person fancies themselves beneath their human "shell" I really don't care.... I just don't like it when they expect me to tell them I think it's a perfectly viable notion. I can respect the idea if it's what gets them through each day without putting a slug in their brain.... but I don't have to give them a gift certificate to Outback in recognition of the idea of species dysphoria itself as a valid theory.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

You know something, they do deserve a gift.

A nice 5-knuckle salute to the nut sack so they don't reproduce.

Honestly, if you think thait it's a valid condition not to identify with human beings, then you got one major slipped gene somewhere in your chromosomes. You don't deserve to breed.

Species dysphoria... what a crock.

Look, I like funny animals, I like well done and tasteful artwork. But when I see a guy in a fursuit believing, not cosplaying, believing he's a raccoon... Sorry, I must draw the line.

My mind doesn't wrap around that pole without violent force. Then it liquifies. >.<

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

...when I see a guy in a fursuit believing, not cosplaying, believing he's a raccoon... Sorry, I must draw the line.

Fuck you, Law and Order. Now all furries are raccoons, and all people who like raccoons are furries who vomit civet oil.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

O.o;

His prospects don't look good. >.<

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I can understand gender dysphoria given what we have come to understand about what role brain chemistry plays in helping to determine gender. I can see how wires get crossed in that sense. But, it's not like two wolves did the nasty and popped out a human.

Of course, this is just my perspective, but the whole "wolf spirit in an human body" just never made sense. I can understand how the idea of a wolf or even imaginary creatures like a dragon might have a "spirit" that is a simplar concept to a Jungian archetype. This could be a similar phenomenon to how lawyers are classed as sharks or weasels or other animal-human comparisons. But, I personally think the idea of a soul that was destined for a wolf's body getting crossed over at the bus station and winding up in a human body is, in my opinion, BS.

I discussed this recently on Furcentral.net. IMO, a "soul," or whatever you may perceive that intangible part of us as, is like water.... it has the form of the vessel it is contained in. So, a wolf soul in a human body is, IMO, like saying you accidentally poured square water into a round glass. But, that's just my take. I'm not saying I'm undeniably right... just that I find the species dysphoria concept difficult to swallow.

Even if it was a credible concept.. guess what.. you're stuck. It's not like you can go to Sweden and get an operation. You're gonna be a human until the day you die. Get used to it, or open a vein or something. Be glad you get HBO and Playstation instead of fleas and mange.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I discussed this recently on Furcentral.net. IMO, a "soul," or whatever you may perceive that intangible part of us as, is like water.... it has the form of the vessel it is contained in. So, a wolf soul in a human body is, IMO, like saying you accidentally poured square water into a round glass. But, that's just my take. I'm not saying I'm undeniably right... just that I find the species dysphoria concept difficult to swallow.

If there is no evidence, there is no problem.

No evidence?

No souls!

AND ESP. NO WOLF SOULS!

The worst thing are "furry Christians" who claim to have "animal souls", because The most common promulgation by popes, vicars, theologians et al is that animals themselves do not have any souls at all and will simply turn to dust on the day of judgment.

Of course that, like all theology, that was just completely arbitrary. But it stopped the arguments theologians were having about whether it was sinful for a goat to butt another goat or for a predator to kill and eat it's prey.

There’s just something indubitably regressive about such superstition at all In this day and age.

However, I suppose in the end, someone who claims that they have a wolf soul has just as much evidence in their favour as does the Vicar who denies that this Is so.

I.e. NONE.

Raptavio · Recusant Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 2

Consulted with the mother o' mah children, who knows Minnesota law.

Unlawful arrest or possibly kidnapping could be the charges that mob would have faced in Minnesota. God knows what the laws'd be like in Texas.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Then, if I was driving, and it was Minnesota, I would have hit the accelerator.

It would have been self defense.

I so hope their con gets kicked out of the hotel they're in, and they cannot find a new one because of this incident. They won the battle, but they will now lose the war.

Some furs need to read the Art of War.

Oh, and I finally got a chance to see the video that made it out of that Fur convention. All I have to say is, there's alot of faces on that video tape. ~.^

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

THANK YOU for this link! I wish I was able to play the .avi however, which won't work for me for some reason. Can anyone send me something like a .mov or .mpg version of this plz?!

Behold my new avator now. :twisted:

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

You know something, they do deserve a gift.

A nice 5-knuckle salute to the nut sack so they don't reproduce.

Or better still, nuke them from orbit (the only way to be sure).

OH NO! I just made some hate speech! I better get myself down into the bunker before the fat angry fangirl comes and tries to sit on me!!

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

THANK YOU for this link! I wish I was able to play the .avi however, which won't work for me for some reason. Can anyone send me something like a .mov or .mpg version of this plz?!

If you're on OSX, try the VLC multimedia player

Raptavio · Recusant Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 2

Yeah, I'm not at all impressed.

I may have to coordinate with some folks and register for Midwest FurFest AND wear a SomethingAwful T-shirt while I'm there.

Being six and a half feet tall and not slight of build ought to make things interesting.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

And if they get pissy about you wearing a shirt like that, just tell them they're "intolerant."

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

THANK YOU for this link! I wish I was able to play the .avi however, which won't work for me for some reason. Can anyone send me something like a .mov or .mpg version of this plz?!

If you're on OSX, try the VLC multimedia player

Thanks again.

You know, I'm kinda wondering who that fanboy was (the one you see with the black shirt with no sleeves, who is also seen trying to keep the car from leaving)? Or, that ubber-cow who was acting like a crude drawing of a grenade was "terrorism" (now there's twisting logic like a pound of taffy, eh?)?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

THANK YOU for this link! I wish I was able to play the .avi however, which won't work for me for some reason. Can anyone send me something like a .mov or .mpg version of this plz?!

Behold my new avator now. :twisted:

What avatar?

And Mitch is right about VideoLAN. It will play partial files on eMule no problem which is good to see if what you're downloading is legit or worth finishing. Excellent little player.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Mike, if you want a small, free, and kludgeless player, here's the favorite of mine:
Media Player Classic

nothingkat · Recusant Joined: 30 Mar 2004 Posts: 7

I went ahead and changed the avi file into a windows media video file. It looks more or less the same but at least you don't have to worry about codec problems. I had a few people tell me they couldn't see it either.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

I spent a few days digesting this situation, and here's what finally came out.

1: They used terrorism as a way to get cops over there, in case the people in the car got smart and defended themselves from a possible kidnap attempt. (Through hitting the gas...)
2: The thing they signed has no legal bearing.
3: The things tken from them were stolen and charges should be filed against those responsible.
4: That video that is out there is evidence. Against the Convention staff and the con goers who aided and abetted the crime.
5: If I'm ever at one of these cons, I'm going to punch first, ask questions later. (Correction, I just won't go to a fur con.)

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Found via the EatAllFurries board - a rundown on the SA thing here which includes some pix.

You know, before I saw this, I was beginning to wonder if the majority of furries really were fat, fugly, and , but that video pretty much confirmed it. The little posse from the first vid had me rolling. Looked like some new, awful street gang, like a geeky version of the crips or bloods.

Though I can't help wondering if that particular con, or more precisely the folks behind it, are in any kind of deep doo-doo. Hell, word's spread pretty fast, so I wonder if they're banned from returning to that particular place or som'm...

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Though I can't help wondering if that particular con, or more precisely the folks behind it, are in any kind of deep doo-doo. Hell, word's spread pretty fast, so I wonder if they're banned from returning to that particular place or som'm...

I doubt it. Getting cops and lawyers involved in something this stupid would be totally lame. Technically if those guys didnt leave security would have literally thrown them out (hotel security - not con security)

You cant wander around a hotel you are not staying at and you cannot attend a convention you do not have membership for. You also cant detain people..but they werent detained by force so its all really a moot point. Its all way to far into a gray area - there would definatly be a worthless time consuming trial.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

True, but I was mostly referring to Hotel staff not allowing that con to be held there in the future because of this incident. Something along those lines.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Not detained by force?

In that first video, there was a prime example of applying force through intimidation and sheer numbers. (Three people walking down the hallway shoulder to shoulder and a VERY LARGE bouncer like person bringing the rear in a flying wedge formation.)

The second, they phisically blocked the car. Another show of force. Then others came out and helped.

They were detained by force, and anyone who sees otherwise in those videos are blind. They have a case. Besides, if they weren't supposed to be in there, howcome they weren't badged when they were in the common convention area? You can't get more than 10 feet at CONvergence without some security guard asking you where your badge is if your badge isn't very visible.

There were reports that the SA "invaders were actually talking to different people at the con. Leisurely. In the common areas. If that is the case, they would have been caught easily. But with teh apparent lack of them getting caught, they entraped the SA "goons" and pretty much ensured their Con's own doom.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

True, but I was mostly referring to Hotel staff not allowing that con to be held there in the future because of this incident. Something along those lines.

I seriously doubt the hotel gives a shit. It comes down to dollar bills. The convention paid to be there...the gate crashers did not.

Not detained by force?

In that first video, there was a prime example of applying force through intimidation and sheer numbers. (Three people walking down the hallway shoulder to shoulder and a VERY LARGE bouncer like person bringing the rear in a flying wedge formation.)

The second, they phisically blocked the car. Another show of force. Then others came out and helped.

A bouncer can kick your ass, a furry can't (or wont....or at least HASNT)

Sitting on a car is differnt than holding someone to the ground or handcuffing/restraining them. They were not struck or maced. Someone could have called the cops and let them assess the situation. No one did. Thats a good thing. If these guys want to make this a legal issue, they can - but they need lawyers now because did not report the incident to the police (unless theres more to this story - I havent been following it and I dont have the bandwidth to watch a movie online.)

Besides, if they weren't supposed to be in there, howcome they weren't badged when they were in the common convention area? You can't get more than 10 feet at CONvergence without some security guard asking you where your badge is if your badge isn't very visible.

If they werent supposed to be? You know they weren't supposed to be. Thats a fact, there is no arguement here. They were not staying at the hotel and they were not paying members of the convention. If these guys would have paid for a day pass no one could have done shit to them if they werent doing anything wrong. in the first post I made on this thread I posted a link to infiltration.org hotel files. Its well known you are not allowed to walk around a hotel you are not a guest of.

and pretty much ensured their Con's own doom.

Is the con doomed and how so? It was my understanding they were making fun of this on the SA forums and elsewhere - and thats about it, not trying to turn it into Rodney King. I really doubt the hotel gives a shit about some gate crashers getting thier cars blocked in for a little while.

The furries looked like retards, leave it at that...Its funny - not a grave injustice

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

When I first saw the piles of fat rummaging through the corridor, I couldn't help myself thinking that a fur con should most definitely get Richard Simmons as a GOH.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Except that that festive little whippet has problems of his own enough right now.

I guess that might be the one place in a nice hotel you could go to get away from the furries... the exercise room.

nothingkat · Recusant Joined: 30 Mar 2004 Posts: 7

Well the real furs who are stuck and lost in the fandom are the ones who can not take a joke. I'm glad people who read the article I posted can clearly see that. I had more good replies than bad ones. :twisted:

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Well the real furs who are stuck and lost in the fandom are the ones who can not take a joke. I'm glad people who read the article I posted can clearly see that. I had more good replies than bad ones. :twisted:

Yes, real furries have no sense of humor at all. And 99% of the emails I get are good ones, too, strangely enough.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Maybe it's just a case of a few bad apples seeming like a larger group. I mean... you get 5 of the hardcore, can't-laugh-at-themselves furries together and you often have the same square footage taken up as a group of maybe 10 or 15 people.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Zing! Good one!

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

They were not staying at the hotel and they were not paying members of the convention. If these guys would have paid for a day pass no one could have done shit to them if they werent doing anything wrong. in the first post I made on this thread I posted a link to infiltration.org hotel files. Its well known you are not allowed to walk around a hotel you are not a guest of.

I'll agree with mouse on this entire issue. Interestingly enough, in my younger days I would do hotel exploring. And as a matter of fact I still do it these days on occassion. Usually it's because I'm visiting a con I'm not a dealer/attendee at just to see it, although I have purposefully gone into hotels 'just to see them' (some are quite pretty) and also peruse the advertising pamphlets (sounds corny, but it's amazing the deals you'll find in those). Although I was always under the impression that walking around a hotel you are not a guest of is perfectly fine as long as you don't go into 'paid' areas of the hotel, ie: room corridors and recreation facilities. I was also under the impression that the rules differ depending on each hotel.

Getting back to the issue at hand, yes, paying $15 for a pass is negligible if you wanted to have the right to post fliers and mingle in members-areas of a convention. In that case, what the SAers did would just have to be tolerated, perhaps addressed as harassment by the staff, though. I think that both sides did some serious wrong doing here. I mean, the SA folks, as "innocent" as they may seem, put those fliers up. And while that is a joke and nothing more, that really should be taken seriously by the staff, that is technically a form of harrassment. I wouldn't go so far as to say "terrorism", I think that is just drama queen furs talking. But there is a line between freedom of speech and harrassment, and the issue in this case is extremely grey. If the SAers had worded their literature differently and did certain other things differently, they maybe could seriously gotten away with certain stuff and been protected by their civil rights, but alas, they were retarded about it. They were also party crashing. Now, they didn't do anything bad and they just walked about friendly-like according to everyone, but still, the uninvited/unpaid presence and the flyers were not kosher. But at the same time, the furries were totally out of line in what they did as well. If the SA fellows were leaving, they really should have just watched them go, maybe asked them to leave and escort them out, as is their right, to make sure they didnt try nothing, but then nothing more. And I'm really curious as to what this document they signed really said on it. And they made them sign it? I mean, what were they thinking? That really is going too far. That's total BS. I wish I really knew what happened because I find these situations very interesting from a debate standpoint. Are there any places online where furries are talking about this issue, and what are they saying?

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

howcome they weren't badged when they were in the common convention area? You can't get more than 10 feet at CONvergence without some security guard asking you where your badge is if your badge isn't very visible.

just quickly, i dont' know if you've not been to more relaxacons or smaller type cons, but usually it's extremely easy to walk around a convention hotel with no badge on. At anthrocon, I had a badge but I hid it the 90% of the time, no one ever suspected me. I've been to anime and furry cons without badges, walked into room parties and generally had a swell time without so much as a look. What are they going to do? If anyone asks, I'd say I'm a hotel guest or at least trying to find the reg desk or SOMETHING. In fact, I'd just as soon question any security guard at any con that asks you for a badge if you are walking in a common area. That is NOT kosher in my book. I only expect to be asked for my badge in specified con-secure areas such as dealer rooms and activity rooms. Con security is usually volunteers who dont' know what they're doing.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

I have never been to a relaxacon, but I can impart what happens at the con I haunt.

1: The first floor of the hotel is pretty much open game except for the panel rooms and the cabana sections around the garden court/pool area.
2: CONvergence owns the second floor practically. You come up the escalators or the elevators, you're in a security zone. (The registration section is on the second floor as well, you can get tehre easily. (That is the only place you can get to easily.)
3: There are some places you can go in the hotel proper (floor 3 on up) where the rooms are. Those are for CON participants and the few rooms left open for common use.
4: The 22nd floor is the LAN/Gaming room. No chance in hell you'll get in without a badge. (Security there is tighter than the first two, probably because the entrance is more easily guarded.)

That's the intel on CONvergence. Friendly people, tight security (Gotta be for such cheap insurance.)

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

I have never been to a relaxacon, but I can impart what happens at the con I haunt.

1: The first floor of the hotel is pretty much open game except for the panel rooms and the cabana sections around the garden court/pool area.
2: CONvergence owns the second floor practically. You come up the escalators or the elevators, you're in a security zone. (The registration section is on the second floor as well, you can get tehre easily. (That is the only place you can get to easily.)
3: There are some places you can go in the hotel proper (floor 3 on up) where the rooms are. Those are for CON participants and the few rooms left open for common use.
4: The 22nd floor is the LAN/Gaming room. No chance in hell you'll get in without a badge. (Security there is tighter than the first two, probably because the entrance is more easily guarded.)

That's the intel on CONvergence. Friendly people, tight security (Gotta be for such cheap insurance.)

I understand. I've been to similar conventions with that kind of layout.

Generally at any normal convention of ANY type that's in a hotel and dispersed across most of the floor space, the con happens in areas that are frequented by passersby from either other hotel guests or the general public. If you ever decide to, go to any con.. find a list of cons nearby at geocities.com/jengacons.. and walk in and see how much free reign you have. I've walked through cons for hours on end without registering, and frankly i've NEVER been asked for a con badge at any con i've been to unless going into a specified con room/area. 2 years ago I went to an anime con for 2 days, didn't pay to register, hung out, played with folks, got free stuff and a coupon 'for con goers' for the local stores by the staff, and even walked into a room and watched anime and walked into the art show - all without a badge in a very classy NYC hotel that supposedly was all corporate sponsored with security and stuff... and I made no attempts to be sneaky at all. For SA people to walk into any furry con and even walk down the halls and find a furry party is totally possible. I guarantee you if I went to anthrocon this year, I could walk right into the hotel without registering, get on elevator or stairs, walk around and find an open door and just join furries having a party. I'm surprised this kind of SA stunt doesn't happen with great frequency. Makes me think why don't I do something crazy at a furry con that i could get away with without getting in serious trouble. But me personally, i feel it's totally not worth it and i hate furries and will never go to convention unless you took me by gunpoint.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

And while that is a joke and nothing more, that really should be taken seriously by the staff, that is technically a form of harrassment. I wouldn't go so far as to say "terrorism", I think that is just drama queen furs talking. But there is a line between freedom of speech and harrassment, and the issue in this case is extremely grey. If the SAers had worded their literature differently and did certain other things differently, they maybe could seriously gotten away with certain stuff and been protected by their civil rights, but alas, they were retarded about it. They were also party crashing. Now, they didn't do anything bad and they just walked about friendly-like according to everyone, but still, the uninvited/unpaid presence and the flyers were not kosher. But at the same time, the furries were totally out of line in what they did as well. If the SA fellows were leaving, they really should have just watched them go, maybe asked them to leave and escort them out, as is their right, to make sure they didnt try nothing, but then nothing more. And I'm really curious as to what this document they signed really said on it. And they made them sign it? I mean, what were they thinking? That really is going too far. That's total BS. I wish I really knew what happened because I find these situations very interesting from a debate standpoint. Are there any places online where furries are talking about this issue, and what are they saying?

According to one of the SA guys in the second group (the ones who were 'detained'), this is what happened:

They arrived at the con hotel, got talking to some furries in the lobby and were invited upstairs to the "Horse-pitality Suite". They chatted a bit, had a beer, then decided to leave. They had reached the parking lot when they were ID'ed:

Hey, come back here!"

Fuck.

We turned around to see a behemoth stalking toward us.

"I need you to come with me."

I burst out laughing. "Why?"

"That t-shirt. We checked the website, and I need you to come with me."

"No."

So they ignored the irate furries, got in their car, and were promptly blocked in by con security wielding Maglites, and one large fellow sitting on their hood. Someone else sent some State Troopers over, who declared they were off duty and wanted nothing to do with it. And after 90 minutes or so of furries taking turns to stand in front of their car and taking photos of them and similar crap:

They brought out a clipboard with blank paper on it, and made us write some sort of apology and promise that we would not speak of those events in a negative manner, then sign and date it. This is not legal in any sense (mainly because the "confessions" were being written and signed under duress), but we'd do whatever it took to get the fuck out of there at that point, which included scrawling an illegible signature of a made-up name on a piece of paper.

NOTE: These guys didn't leave the infamous 'WE ARE WATCHING YOU' + grenade sketch or put up any flyers at all; that was left on a table by an earlier group of goons who dropped by the hotel.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

If that is the case, then I am on the side of the SA folks. They may not have paid or been hotel guests, but after all they were invited into someone's room. I have to take your word of the events since i was not there and i have yet to find any evidence of furries viewpoint that counters this.

At any rate, i know it has been brought up before, but why didn't they call the police? I've been talking to a good friend of mine, who's a furry BTW, about this issue, and he said if it was him he'd have called the police 10 minutes into it.

for some reason i can't see any of the text in that person's website that you linked to.

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

We should all be able to relate to the power rush when we feel something is right and there's lots of us! =)

How often can nerds get together and decide "Lets' get those guys *Hnnh hnnh*!!

Furs probably felt like the Arabs do... and SA people represented the great Satan!
Also... Cubfurs protect their cub porn furiously as a mother would their cubs.. =)

Verily You have opened the gates of hell! =D

What's the big deal bout the grenade note anyway?? I don't geddit.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

What's the big deal bout the grenade note anyway?? I don't geddit.

It's the SomethingAwful logo, or a crude representation thereof. Furries recognized it as belonging to a site that makes fun of their fetish and became incensed.

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

Yeah I know it's teh SA logo.. just asking is it somehow serious in this
post 9-11 world to leave pics of grenades around...?

Or is the logo just what US flag is to arabs? =)

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Yeah I know it's teh SA logo.. just asking is it somehow serious in this
post 9-11 world to leave pics of grenades around...?

Or is the logo just what US flag is to arabs? =)

I'm thinking a little from Column A and a lot from Column B.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

I'm thinking more from Column B, though A could be used by them to justify the "Attack of the 500lbs Fur-illas".

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

They brought out a clipboard with blank paper on it, and made us write some sort of apology and promise that we would not speak of those events in a negative manner, then sign and date it. This is not legal in any sense (mainly because the “confessions” were being written and signed under duress), but we’d do whatever it took to get the fuck out of there at that point, which included scrawling an illegible signature of a made-up name on a piece of paper.

So the furries have scored a victory against "Heywood Jablome" , "Buster Hymen", and "Seymor Nuhtz". Big whoop!

What these furtards don't know is that now that it's known on the SA boards, SA is going to make certain that the next safari into WackyLand will be better organised, and may even have an SA member who's a practicing lawyer on hand to lay the legal smackdown on these morons who think that the world has to bow down and kiss their fat furry asses.

Ohhhhhh yeah. "Round 2" is gonna be a LOT more interesting. I gar-ron-tee. :twisted:

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Verily You have opened the gates of hell! =D

All the better to chuck a 100 kiloton warhead down into it, my dear.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

If that is the case, then I am on the side of the SA folks. They may not have paid or been hotel guests, but after all they were invited into someone's room. I have to take your word of the events since i was not there and i have yet to find any evidence of furries viewpoint that counters this.

At any rate, i know it has been brought up before, but why didn't they call the police? I've been talking to a good friend of mine, who's a furry BTW, about this issue, and he said if it was him he'd have called the police 10 minutes into it.

for some reason i can't see any of the text in that person's website that you linked to.

Try the Google cache of the page if you can't reach it.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

i didn't understand why this issue was disturbing me so much until recently. i read this dude's log of things, i got the page to work. as far as i'm concerned, the furries in this situation pulled off something very similar to racial profiling. they identified them as part of a group that they 'didn't like' and detained them. Then they accused them of all sorts of insane things. this really is NOT cool. I hate to sound full of myself, but how different is this from when whites did this kind of thing to blacks back in the 60s? How different is this from blaming every arab you see for 9/11 and intimidating them? well, i guess both sides are guilty, but still the furries came out way more aggressive.....

i wouldn't be so peeved if not for the fact that the people involved did not leave the flier. as well as the fact that i had no idea that the grenade was the logo anyway. i thought it was just a threatening picture at first. i guess it could be construed as threatening but in this case it's a logo with a message.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

as far as i'm concerned, the furries in this situation pulled off something very similar to racial profiling. they identified them as part of a group that they 'didn't like' and detained them. Then they accused them of all sorts of insane things. this really is NOT cool. I hate to sound full of myself, but how different is this from when whites did this kind of thing to blacks back in the 60s? How different is this from blaming every arab you see for 9/11 and intimidating them?

Holy shit.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

as far as i'm concerned, the furries in this situation pulled off something very similar to racial profiling. they identified them as part of a group that they 'didn't like' and detained them. Then they accused them of all sorts of insane things. this really is NOT cool. I hate to sound full of myself, but how different is this from when whites did this kind of thing to blacks back in the 60s? How different is this from blaming every arab you see for 9/11 and intimidating them?

Holy shit.

well, i didn't mean to make it sound so dramatic, but basically i'm just flabbergasted that furries could act in such an extreme way. I always pegged them as harmless shits. I figured i met some of them in the past, they didn't seem like they'd be like that. If those crazy bastards get to doing stupid shit like that all the time, man it just seems they are.. like the lowest form of low a fanboy can get. damn, my respect for furries just went from -10 to -1000. Alls i got left to say is, good job you stupid furry dumbfucks.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

They brought out a clipboard with blank paper on it, and made us write some sort of apology and promise that we would not speak of those events in a negative manner, then sign and date it. This is not legal in any sense (mainly because the confessions were being written and signed under duress), but wed do whatever it took to get the fuck out of there at that point, which included scrawling an illegible signature of a made-up name on a piece of paper.

So the furries have scored a victory against "Heywood Jablome" , "Buster Hymen", and "Seymor Nuhtz". Big whoop!

What these furtards don't know is that now that it's known on the SA boards, SA is going to make certain that the next safari into WackyLand will be better organised, and may even have an SA member who's a practicing lawyer on hand to lay the legal smackdown on these morons who think that the world has to bow down and kiss their fat furry asses.

Ohhhhhh yeah. "Round 2" is gonna be a LOT more interesting. I gar-ron-tee. :twisted:

:Twisted:

1: The Clipboard - It is to laugh.
2: The dumb*** furz - They didn't win. It was a tie.
3: SA's Round 2 - Tehre are small cameras that you can use for taking video. It's best in this next invasion to actually have some people register. That way, they have a "reason" to be there.
4: Lawyer - Hmmm. A little extreme, but just be sure to register this time.

Suggestion: Wear white SA T-Shirts under black shirts of the con. Then, at just the right moment, BAM! represent. During that time, be filming with as much stealth and guile as possible.
Then, get the hell out of dodge. This time they were just dumb, the next, they may get physical.

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

Then, get the hell out of dodge. This time they were just dumb, the next, they may get physical.

Physical? With those KFC+no excercise built laundry sack bodies?

I think they intend to play victims rather than form a mob to beat anyone up. Hell, even the adrenaline rush could have hazardous results combined with those cholesterol-stuffed veins.

Let's just say, it's as risky to get beaten up at a furry con than it is at a goth party.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

They could body-check you and crush you under their immense rolls.

Being suffocated and crushed is not a way to go.

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

Let's just say, it's as risky to get beaten up at a furry con than it is at a goth party.

Not true. At a goth party, you at least run the risk of being impaled on someone's clothes.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Can we stop talking about furry fighting? Unless you're prepared to kill or be killed, you have no business fighting or even talking about it. Ever. Spend your time being good people. Thinking about doing nice things. The alternative to "can't we all get along?" is the grave. So let the furs ruminate on kicking ass, showing how little they really know about the subject. Around here, I'd hope people were a little wiser, a little more mature, a little more worldly.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

I agree with Wade, those who can fight don't need to talk about it.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Yeah, I guess you're right guys.

I said what I did in fun, but I guess it was in bad taste. Sorry. *Looks at floor*

Hey! Izzat a quarter!!!

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Further Furry LJ Feedback on the SA thang

Honestly I don't get why that story is supposed to be so funny. It's the boringest story in the 'OH MAN ALL THIS CRAZY STUFF HAPPENED AT A FURRY CON' category of stories I've ever read. Aside from that other story about how somebody uh distributed fliers that said THE PORTAL OF EVIL WELCOMES YOU TO ANTHROCON at the last anthrocon. At least the portal of evil folks had enough sense to mercilessly make fun of the dork that thought it would be funny to do it and then brag about it on the forum.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Dumbass completely missed why it was funny....

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

This guy is my hero.

No, seriously.

I didn't know that some furs on the inside invited them in. Looks like a few furs will hang for this.

Sucks I don't walk about on IRC. I'd like to see the fallout as the furs bite eachother on who's fault it was letting *gasp* MUNDAYNEZ in the con...

*rubs out a headache on the forehead* this is just ohhhhh... Too many variables.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

If the only thing you can draw is exaggerated imaginary creatures, maybe it means that you simply CAN‘T DRAW

Quote of the century...

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Yes, there is so much good material coming from this.

Every time TEH FHURRIEZ even open their mouths, they dig themselves a bigger hole. And their art ain't any help either.

GG Furs, GG.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

And the term "art" is used very loosely. Very loosely. Like "we're bullshitting, that's not art" loosely. That kinda loosely.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Yep, that is just about right.

I think the same way, but I lacked a proper word that didn't sound vulgar.

I did intend to say art in it's loosest sense. Calling it shit would be an insult to good fertilizer.

Of course, I can't say shit because I haven't posted my work anywhere. Because I know I'm not good enough yet to do so.

Don't want to lay out 7 more tons of crap on the pile.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Of course, I can't say shit because I haven't posted my work anywhere. Because I know I'm not good enough yet to do so.

Obviously I can't comment on whether or not your view of your art is valid or humility, since I've never seen it. But, the concept IS lost on furries.

What what what???? You mean somepeople think it might be good to achieve a certain level of skill with a pencil before uploading 400 pics to an archive? Shocking!!!!!

And why is it that any furry that can draw a semi-coherent line with tits and a tail these days is suddenly a "studio?" You see pages like "Yifffire Studios" or something, and then the stuff inside is craptacular.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Of course, I can't say shit because I haven't posted my work anywhere. Because I know I'm not good enough yet to do so.

Obviously I can't comment on whether or not your view of your art is valid or humility, since I've never seen it. But, the concept IS lost on furries.

What what what???? You mean somepeople think it might be good to achieve a certain level of skill with a pencil before uploading 400 pics to an archive? Shocking!!!!!

And why is it that any furry that can draw a semi-coherent line with tits and a tail these days is suddenly a "studio?" You see pages like "Yifffire Studios" or something, and then the stuff inside is craptacular.

Probably for the same reason that amateur game makers, no matter how bad, refer to themselves as "... Inc.", even when their games are craptrulescent.