Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

This poor, tortured soul posted this on Furcentral.net:

I also saw this episode in channel 9 when i was in a Melbourne rehab center (not a psycho house), and my reaction, simply put, was that i felt like throwing up. Why? Not because of the "misplaced animal spirit" topic that you guys mentioned lately, but because of the fact that the whole furry fandom world with the conventions was portrayed very innaccurately. One things of which was what one of my friends told me while i was chatting to him:

"... the thing about how the racoon guy was depicted as a loser who had no friends." Or so he'd say. Bad memory. He's a furre dude too, so don't getcher .45s at 'im.

Now you guys would be springing up to me to ask why the hell i would be so sick to the stomach because of that. Well, it's obvious... i think.

The furry fandom and/or the general concept of anthromorphs are a real fascination ever since i was a bratty lil lifeling. Because i was an art junkie who likes to draw all the time, I just got tired of drawing humans, so i started to draw the very first anthros in 7th grade (now i'm in the 11th, with 3 months to go till i'm sweet 16). So i guess that's about more than 3 years ever since i got into the ever growing community of furry artists. Well, sure, i did get some misunderstanding about my "unusual" fascination, but that's not the point as to why i'm posting for the first time here in furcentral.

My point is that i've already seen enough of my fellow furry artists being needlessly harassed, put down, bashed, or whatever the bloody hell it is, during the past few years of officially being a community dude because of things that make people think that we furres are just "Libido scavengers from an edenial sodom" (hey, i'm just being honest, m'kay?), despite the fact that i've been in the game for a short time. Like with the crazy rumors i heard about "fursuited sex" or whatever the crap them whippersnappers yammerblabber. I have an attribute in my personality of over-protection in dearest friends and allies. Especially with that CSI episode that got aired in TV, i feel very afraid of what the public will think further about the furry community in outcome. Heh. Silly paranoid me.

Ironically, just because my RL name means "salvation", i can't even afford to save myself from self-destruction.

Bah, I'll stop here. If i go on any further, you'll just think that i'm some crazy old coot who wants to say this and that. I'm trying to be honest in this matter, but i can't speak my mind well, as usual from my diagnosis.

So 'ave peace, m'lads. Either i'll be a real golden dragon, or just a fake bronze lizard, who knows? Let's just look forward in respect of each others' tongues. Someday i'll make the tension ease, one life after the next.

~ Raven

PS: Interested to know about what my junkish scribblage of horror looks like? Go here: http://wrexodus.deviantart.com

There's some great displays of classic furry patterns here:

Now you guys would be springing up to me to ask why the hell i would be so sick to the stomach because of that. Well, it's obvious... i think.

Of course. I see it now.... I was under the impression I was a human, rather than a misplaced animal spirit, because I wasn't thinking hard enough. I bow to your superiority. (This is also a classic teen foible that is unsurprising, given the kid is 15.)

Ironically, just because my RL name means "salvation", i can't even afford to save myself from self-destruction.

And, of course, the quiet, self-depreciating plea for help that has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the topic. I wonder if this person has discovered how VCL is a great forum for all of their suicide fantasy furry art yet. Actually, I feel bad for these folks. These kinds of comments reflect real problems. Still, why the hell is it that furry is such a magnet for these folks?

Like with the crazy rumors i heard about "fursuited sex" or whatever the crap them whippersnappers yammerblabber. I have an attribute in my personality of over-protection in dearest friends and allies. Especially with that CSI episode that got aired in TV, i feel very afraid of what the public will think further about the furry community in outcome. Heh. Silly paranoid me.

Yep, kid, fursuit sex was just the product of some writer's imagination. The CSI episode is as bad as media coverage gets for furrydom.

Man....... how I'd love to be a fly on the wall when this kid starts to see tht light.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Good stuff. I, too, would like to see what happens when this joker gets a little taste of the real world.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

It'll be a hilarious watch.

Frankly, I laugh at his angst. Never did have much sympathy for pathetic, angsty wittwe teens. Oh yes, kid, the world is so cruel, and everyone's out to get you and your "people". Yeah, and I have 8 fingers on each hand... Pathetic puss....

When will these people realise that being a human is so much better?! We're the ones that kill, capture, wear, and eat animals. We're the king! It's a marvelous existance, they really oughta try it.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

You know something.

That guy made no sense to me whatsoever. I tried reading his rantings, I honestly tried, but he seemed to go into a thousand different directions.

Of course, if he's a 15 year old, then it's explainable. *coughAOHellercough*

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

I think he's sad about life, and he's a furry. That much I got from that.

Pycnopodia · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 72

"Still, why the hell is it that furry is such a magnet for these folks?"
I have been thinking about this as well.
Worth mentioning is that furry is not the only magnet for "these folks" - computer with internet seems to be something just about anyone with social problems overuse. Of course its not the computer or furry-interest that make you a social wreck, its just that social wrecks are attracted by this.
When some people see someone they define as ugly or stupid doing something they seem to think "My god! If I do what he/she is doing I might end up stupid or ugly, or people will think I am stupid or ugly because I am doing it!" - this also works the other way around: "Wow, look at that cool (attractive?) guy/girl doing wallflips over there! Wallflips are cool, I want to learn it.". - Its sad, but I think this is how prejudices work.
We all know wich furries are getting the most attention, and maybe this explains why some are so afraid of getting labeled a "furry".
I dont want everyone to get furry-fans, but I do think many people are overly negative to furry.
I am lucky enough to have some friends that knows about furry and hates it, I cant speak for all furry-haters but its from them I get most of my thoughts and ideas about furry-haters.
To be brutally honest, I like arguing/discussing with them about furry, and Im pretty sure they dont actually hate furry, at least not as much as they claim. And I think this goes for many other furry-haters out there, their main motivation for hating furry is making sure noone will call or label them a furry.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I think a lot of people do take an overly negative view of furry stuff very quickly without really trying to understand it. They don't bother to take the time to see that for a lot of people it's simply an enjoyment of funny animal characters in media, and just go with what they see in stuff like that CSI episode or other sensationalist spotlights.

Then there are those, like a lot here, that have been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, tried to launder it, and found the stains just won't come out. Some folks, like the occasional Sibe-type person, just needle furries like a kid with an anthill and a magnifying glass on a sunny day. Others, though, are more retaliating for what I think are 2 reasons. At first, there's the shock of "Oh my gawd... I was part of THAT!?" At this stage, it's often more a recoiling from themselves than furry as a whole. As they calm down and gain perspective, however, they begin to see how furry has really spiraled into the toilet. At this point, I think the motivation is more a sense of "Can't you see what you're doing to yourselves!!!??" They don't "reform" and begin to hate furries... though some do. But I think most that manage to climb up out of the toilet bowl and see he world on the other side of the rim have a phase where they'd like to help the other furries climb out as well. This is where the attempt to "save" the fandom might come from. After a while, though, I think most relax into being comfortable with what furry is for them... be it quiet enjoyment of Tom & Jerry, or going to cons and orbiting the "clean" stuff, or whatever.

The guy I quoted seems like a trip, though. He's got the makings of a great furry.... the dialogue interspersed with the wailings of self-pity that attempt to invite the reader to pity him as well, the belief that furry is somehow the "thinking man's" bridge between entertainment and enlightenment, the undertones of furrydom being a persecuted group like Jews or blacks, and the very important powers of denial (or just general cluelessness... i.e., the "crazy rumors" of how someone would want to have sex in a fursuit). He might very well be the next Merlino.

I love this part:

Especially with that CSI episode that got aired in TV, i feel very afraid of what the public will think further about the furry community in outcome.

It almost sounds like this guy is huddled in a closet, stroking his Meeko plushie, fearing goose-stepping legions of mundanes herding him and his kin up into concentration camps where they'll be forced to look at human porn and watch movies that don't feature a single talking animal, denied Internet access, and forced to have conversations with real members of the opposite sex. One of the amusing things about furry persecution complex is the notion that the entire non-furry world is out to get them, when, really, most of the world likely isn't even aware of furrydom, and much of it that does doesn't care. It's almost like they want the world to be aware of it and despise them.

Another thing that suggests to me that he is likely an AOLer is that he uses "furre" instead of "fur" to refer to a fan. From what I've seen, this is often the product of someone who has gotten most of their exposure to furrydom through Furcadia. I dunno how many folks here have ventured there, but it is definitely a breeding ground for AOLers.

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

He lives in Nazi Furmany--ARGH THE PUN!

But seriously (and I apologize for that), this crap's getting old, fast. Ok, kid, your little animal-sex group got riffed on CSI. Whoopedy doo. TV makes fun of people. It's how it is. Hell, this damn fandom gets a light treatment compared to how Celebrities, Jews, White People, Old People, etc. get made fun of, and they're gonna play Anne Frank over one show? Okay, maybe two, but how many furries watch the Drew Carey Show? Obviously not many, haven't seen much whining about when THAT show made fun of furries (hilarious episode, by-the-by).

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Yeah, just look at how much Star Trek and it's fans are made fun of by the media, yet I'm not ashamed to say I watch Star Trek. Why? Because I know the vast majority of Trek fans arn't like that, I know I'm certainlly not like that. I'm also sure that most of the people watching shows that make fun of it know that it's all in good fun and isn't meant to represent the fandom as a whole, rather the steryiotypical view of really hard core fans.

It's almost like they want the world to be aware of it and despise them.

Maybe they do. I'm no psycolgist; but it sounds like they don't like their participation in the fandom and perhaps even are embarssed by their enjoyment of anthro art. So, maybe they want to be caught because they want someone to take it away from them but don't want to leave it themsevles. I would guess the reason for this is if someone forces them to leave the fandom, they are not betraying it in their eyes but if they leave on their own, they feel they are betraying it.

That make any sence?