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The New Meat · Posted: 7/31/2003 10:54:32 AM Post subject: Disney's next cartoon

I just saw "Finding Nemo" last weekend and got to see the trailer for Disney's next feature. It's about an Eskimo hunter who goes hunting up in the mountains and gets blasted by Northern Light magic or something and randomly turns into a bear. So then he becomes friends with the animals and they teach him how hyoomans and their hunting are bad and evil and stuff.

I'm finding it very hard to believe that there weren't any furries involved in coming up with this idea. But maybe that's just me.

Computolio · Posted: 7/31/2003 7:41:52 PM Post subject: Re: Disney's next cartoon

I just saw "Finding Nemo" last weekend and got to see the trailer for Disney's next feature. It's about an Eskimo hunter who goes hunting up in the mountains and gets blasted by Northern Light magic or something and randomly turns into a bear. So then he becomes friends with the animals and they teach him how hyoomans and their hunting are bad and evil and stuff.

I'm finding it very hard to believe that there weren't any furries involved in coming up with this idea. But maybe that's just me.

Marketing to a new and growing audience, no doubt.

More realistically, Disney's writing teams are getting so incompetent and are so out of ideas that they've stumbled into going forward with a plot idea that is hackneyed, cliche and stupid enough to be readily mistaken for something a furry would come up with.

And people wonder why American 2D theatrical animation has been allowed to die.

-duncan

David · Posted: 7/31/2003 8:32:25 PM Post subject:

I bet It’ll stuff wishy-washy new age BS spiritualism down the throat of the viewer too.

And it may well even be anti-science and anti-industrial revolution.
“dark satanic mills” et al.

New-age Fashionable paganism seems to be really popular at the moment, Not only among furries (relevant!) but also amongst would be rebellious teenagers (sometimes furries of course)

And I bet disnee will try to push it. Alas.

Anonymous · Posted: 7/31/2003 8:56:07 PM Post subject: you bet there out of ideas!

those stupid ignorant people! They steal to get new movies! I have to hide my fox! so they don't steal it! I hate disney! they where once so good! now the're movies just are totally bumors :cry: ! Dreamworks! Now those are good humor movie's !!!!!!!!!

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Computolio · Posted: 8/1/2003 3:44:00 AM Post subject: Re: you bet there out of ideas!

those stupid ignorant people! They steal to get new movies! I have to hide my fox! so they don't steal it! I hate disney! they where once so good! now the're movies just are totally bumors :cry: ! Dreamworks! Now those are good humor movie's !!!!!!!!!

http://www.marinelandfloridadolphincam.com/
Anyone loves this like I do?

what

The New Meat · Posted: 8/1/2003 7:05:48 AM Post subject:

And it may well even be anti-science and anti-industrial revolution.
“dark satanic mills” et al.

That wouldn't be surprising in the least, although the commercial made it look like the flick will take place in the way, way old days before the white man came with his fire water and forked tongue to rape and despoil the pristine beauty of AMERICA.

Actually, I did find it strange that the movie seems to be about an eskimo hunter learning the error of his ways rather than a white fur trapper/ farmer/ robber baron/ whatever. Since I would think that an eskimo would be justified in hunting, seeing as how he's a WISE STEWARD OF THE LAND and needs fur for warmth and food for, well, food. And I really can't see him putting any sizeable dent in the animal population when he's out hunting with his spear or whatever. But I'm sure that after his spiritual growth as a bear, he goes back to teach his people the error of their hunting ways and maybe they can eat pinecones instead and take up basket weaving or something.

Angel-Paws: That's a joke, right?

mouse · Posted: 8/1/2003 9:29:29 AM Post subject:

That wouldn't be surprising in the least, although the commercial made it look like the flick will take place in the way, way old days before the white man came with his fire water and forked tongue to rape and despoil the pristine beauty of AMERICA.

Actually, I did find it strange that the movie seems to be about an eskimo hunter learning the error of his ways rather than a white fur trapper/ farmer/ robber baron/ whatever. Since I would think that an eskimo would be justified in hunting, seeing as how he's a WISE STEWARD OF THE LAND and needs fur for warmth and food for, well, food. And I really can't see him putting any sizeable dent in the animal population when he's out hunting with his spear or whatever. But I'm sure that after his spiritual growth as a bear, he goes back to teach his people the error of their hunting ways and maybe they can eat pinecones instead and take up basket weaving or something.

ya that is really strange that they would do that , when they were writing this thing they should have just bumped the time period and changed some characters (even tho i really dont necessarily disagree with this TYPE of message in the first place...in fact i kinda think that people who bitch about people who care about animal welfare - need to have thier TESTICLES CONCAVED, AND IT WILL BE MY LEATHER STEEL TOE BOOTS THAT DO IT)

disney should just go back to fantasia/mickey mouse/donald duck and knock off the pseudo historical shit (pocohontas etc etc etc)

in fact the "historical stuff" is probably just them taking the easy way out:
lets face it, disney's movies sell because of the way they look, not for content

dreamworks / pixar did ice age right? i did enjoy ice age, i thought it was well done.

but as far as im concerned it looks like its gonna be a long long time before anyone catches up to roger rabbit

i will stand firm on my belief it probably took more effort and acting skill and just plain technical wizardry to do this movie than jurassic park (SUCKED) or whatever usually makes the top of this type of list.

edit: btw new meat, i been meaning to ask you, is that avatar of yours a picture of one of your rats?? she looks weird to me somehow, like she is soaking wet or something.

Dixie Square Mallrat · Posted: 8/1/2003 11:01:26 AM Post subject:

This is the company that put out Ice Age.

And here's some info on their next upn'coming. :D

Anonymous · Posted: 8/1/2003 1:25:12 PM Post subject:

disney should just go back to fantasia/mickey mouse/donald duck and knock off the pseudo historical shit (pocohontas etc etc etc)

No that's not a joke, I wish it where though. I don' t lie, I think of the internet folks around the world that I belong to the part that doesn't lie to anyone... :cry:

David · Posted: 8/1/2003 8:18:07 PM Post subject:

Since I would think that an eskimo would be justified in hunting, seeing as how he's a WISE STEWARD OF THE LAND and needs fur for warmth

SPIRTIUAL AND AT ONE WITH NATURE American indians, Hunted the native american horses and some other large mammels to extinction long before colonists, the vikeings and some random irish bloke ever went to america.

saying: Yes, we are people. And we do bad things, is good.

talking about mystical wolves and being at one with the MAGIC OF NATURE is a little noughty to my mind.

Although, Perhaps it is in part guilt over the american indians which made people make films like Planet of the apes, Deep impact and stuff.

mouse · Posted: 8/2/2003 5:24:50 AM Post subject:

This is the company that put out Ice Age.

And here's some info on their next upn'coming. :D

ah ok, blue sky, i originally thought that was a small team that was working with pixars money or something like that...i have no idea why i came to this conclusion either

i read that article, that "robots" looks like it could be good
ill have to follow up on that

i really liked that short: "bunny" ...surreal cartoons like that are usually top favorites of mine (not always). most of the shorts i seen like this that were real good were on - liquid tv, cartoon sushi , all those animation showcase programs that used to be on..
(to this day i still remember neitzche pops cereal)

there were some minor problems with ice age, but overall i think it was really enjoyable.

Wedge hasn't totally put talking animals on ice, however. He is co-producing a sequel to Ice Age and the original's popular breakout, the nut-obsessing Scrat, could go solo. Says the man who sniffs, scratches and screeches for the jittery critter, "There is new Scrat potential out there."

i bought that dvd as soon as it came out, it had the extras including Bunny and the short scrat cartoon ...and heres the thing, i really like scrat, hes my favorite character. he put the finishing touch on ice age ...but realisticly, hes just a one-gag character and i dont ever want to see him again ...at least not for a while...maybe he can make a super short cameo in some other blue sky movie years from now but i definatly dont wanna see him get his own movie or show...that would suck, sorry scrat

the short scrat cartoon on the dvd is evidence of why , i mean its funny -sort of - kids would enjoy it, which is the point, but the same acorn thing again cmon

it aint wiley coyote and roadrunner, there really isnt anywhere to go with it
they can try and best of luck to em, but i think its a bad idea

its really just economics in a way, people like characters like scrat cuz they ARE really funny, but you hardly ever see them in the movie
i think scrat was probably on screen a total of 5 minutes
supply and demand, see?

(all this is nullified if they REALLY do some serious writing and character development - i mean REALLY try thier asses off on this. scrat doesnt talk , so they are gonna have to go jerry lewis - the bellhop type of story. its gotta be completely pantomime AND be fucking hilarious or its gonna fall flat on its face.)

The New Meat · Posted: 8/2/2003 10:40:25 AM Post subject:

btw new meat, i been meaning to ask you, is that avatar of yours a picture of one of your rats?? she looks weird to me somehow, like she is soaking wet or something.

Yes, that's exactly what it is, a soaking wet rat. I snapped the pic right after giving her a bath and it seemed weirdly appropriate to use a half-drowned rat as an avatar here. And also, because I have a frightening need of almost fatbeard furry proportions to show them off.

mouse · Posted: 8/3/2003 5:48:13 AM Post subject:

Yes, that's exactly what it is, a soaking wet rat. I snapped the pic right after giving her a bath and it seemed weirdly appropriate to use a half-drowned rat as an avatar here. And also, because I have a frightening need of almost fatbeard furry proportions to show them off.

thats cool. im sure ill have pet rats at some point but im never home nowadays and i wouldnt want to leave them locked up all the time. id rather let them walk around the house or whatever

anyway i understand the part that you want to show them off but i dont get the "fatbeard furry proportions" reference

Inazuma · Posted: 8/3/2003 7:12:25 AM Post subject: Gyah!!

Oh MAN. That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the Trailer x.x

More than if any secret Furries were involved, I wondered how many Furries were going to.. I don't know, work with this material. It's like the ultimate fantasy, only, oh no! They don't retain any human shape at all (except that Bears are already kinda.. well, nevermind).

The New Meat · Posted: 8/3/2003 8:43:27 AM Post subject: Re: you bet there out of ideas!

thats cool. im sure ill have pet rats at some point but im never home nowadays and i wouldnt want to leave them locked up all the time. id rather let them walk around the house or whatever

anyway i understand the part that you want to show them off but i dont get the "fatbeard furry proportions" reference

Ah, well, the thing is I'm on a personal crusade to convince everyone I know (VIA INCESSANT WHINING) that rats are indeed wonderful, friendly, clean, smart animals that make much better pets than, say, cats and dogs. The furry fatbeard reference merely meant that the only people I've ever met who behaved similarly were people such as those we mock here: big fat bags of furry stupid. So I feel kind of ashamed to admit that. I'd like to point out that I have many other interests as well, such as posting on this board and masturbating to hermaphrodite-taurs pics. I mean, knitting.

Well, rats like being locked in a cage, oddly. Unlike mice and hamsters, they don't try to escape.The enclosed space t makes them feel secure. Although, yes, it's best to let them run free for an hour or two a day, just to give them some exercise and a change of surroundings. I'M SMART BECAUSE I READ RATS FOR DUMMIES HUR HUR HUR

those stupid ignorant people! They steal to get new movies! I have to hide my fox! so they don't steal it! I hate disney! they where once so good! now the're movies just are totally bumors :cry: ! Dreamworks! Now those are good humor movie's !!!!!!!!!

Disney's trying to steal your fox, what? Is that like when Hitler stole pink bunny?

David · Posted: 8/3/2003 12:17:30 PM Post subject: Re: you bet there out of ideas!

Ah, well, the thing is I'm on a personal crusade to convince everyone I know (VIA INCESSANT WHINING) that rats are indeed wonderful, friendly, clean, smart animals that make much better pets than, say, cats and dogs. The furry fatbeard reference merely meant that the only people I've ever met who behaved similarly were people such as those we mock here: big fat bags of furry stupid. So I feel kind of ashamed to admit that. I'd like to point out that I have many other interests as well, such as posting on this board and masturbating to hermaphrodite-taurs pics. I mean, knitting.

Well, rats like being locked in a cage, oddly. Unlike mice and hamsters, they don't try to escape.The enclosed space t makes them feel secure. Although, yes, it's best to let them run free for an hour or two a day, just to give them some exercise and a change of surroundings. I'M SMART BECAUSE I READ RATS FOR DUMMIES HUR HUR HUR

Do they stink though?
IIRC, mice either don’t have bladders, or have tiny bladders or something.
Since they pee everywhere, and stink.

I had some gerbils once, and even if you cleaned them out every few dayts, They'd still stink of ammonia bad enough to smell it from the other side of the room.

DA · Posted: 8/3/2003 6:20:08 PM Post subject: Don't believe they do...

My aunt kept rats, they didn't smell as far as I could tell. I want some myself.

Landlord won't let me keep them, can't even get a blimming goldfish where I live. *sigh*

Genghis · Posted: 8/4/2003 12:51:50 AM Post subject: Re: you bet there out of ideas!

Do they stink though?
IIRC, mice either don’t have bladders, or have tiny bladders or something.
Since they pee everywhere, and stink.

I had some gerbils once, and even if you cleaned them out every few dayts, They'd still stink of ammonia bad enough to smell it from the other side of the room.

There is a simple answer to this - Peat moss. It's great stuff for them to burrow in and do whatever the hell they feel like with, yet it has funky biological niftiness that breaks down all the nastiness to the point where the smell really doesn't build up at all. At least, not before I changed their bedding anyway.

Best bedding material ever, and available at most garden stores.

The New Meat · Posted: 8/4/2003 11:08:15 AM Post subject: Re: you bet there out of ideas!

Do they stink though?
IIRC, mice either don’t have bladders, or have tiny bladders or something.
Since they pee everywhere, and stink.

I had some gerbils once, and even if you cleaned them out every few dayts, They'd still stink of ammonia bad enough to smell it from the other side of the room.

Like DA said, I've never had a problem with rats smelling. I kept mice for a little while and they always reeked no matter how often I changed the chage. I've got four female rats and I can usually go for about a week without changing the cage (although I do change it about every two to three days, since I have a finicky roommate who hates them.) Depends largely on the sensitivity of your nose, I guess. Male rats don't smell much worse in my experience, but they pee a lot more. It doesn't really smell, but it's annoying if you've got sitting on your shouler and it decides to relieve itself. Luckily, i's pretty easy to discourage that by just sticking them back in the cage whenever they pee on you. Since they like being out and exploring, they consider that a punishment and it'll learn them fairly quick to hold it in. I don't think that tricks works with many other rodents, though.

I'm probably saying stuff that half the people here already know and the other hal don't care about, but, sorry, this is just one of those things I like to pontificate on. Hooray!

Landlord won't let me keep them, can't even get a blimming goldfish where I live. *sigh*

That sucks. My sympathies indeed. Most landlords, even fairly open-minded ones, get squeamish with rats because, well, they're rats. I've had friends who get can get away with having all sorts of illegal animals in their houses - like ferrets, for example (I live in California. EVERYTHING's illegal here)- but can't bring home a rat. I just get away with it by not telling my landlord.

[quote=Genghis>There is a simple answer to this - Peat moss. It's great stuff for them to burrow in and do whatever the hell they feel like with, yet it has funky biological niftiness that breaks down all the nastiness to the point where the smell really doesn't build up at all. At least, not before I changed their bedding anyway.

That's news to me. Very useful, thanks! I usualluy just use carefresh, but I don't know if that works well for mice.

Anonymous · Posted: 8/6/2003 9:26:27 AM Post subject:

Someone was asking whether or not furries are at all involved in this flick.

Some are, and they're animators. "Brother Bear" has been promoted in recent episodes of "Funday Pawpet Theatre", an online ad-hoc puppet show that airs live every Sunday. They don't keep an archive of past shows (although their more recent one is available for download between airings), unfortunately. One of the regular actors on Pawpet was mentioning his role in the animation side of BB.

Mind you, even the Pawpet actors and fans have a rather low opinion of what the show is likely to be about, mirroring many of the points made in this very thread.

Dixie Square Mallrat · Posted: 8/6/2003 10:25:34 AM Post subject:

I know one of them is current diz-knee animator Lon Smart a.k.a. current hardcore furry "Herbie Bearclaw Hamill".

Yeah, I knew that for a while.

mouse · Posted: 8/7/2003 5:34:13 AM Post subject:

I know one of them is current diz-knee animator Lon Smart a.k.a. current hardcore furry "Herbie Bearclaw Hamill".

Yeah, I knew that for a while.

can you please clarify your use of the term "hardcore furry" ?

Dixie Square Mallrat · Posted: 8/7/2003 11:25:15 AM Post subject:

actually I was meaning "superwellknown" in the fandom.

scuse me there.

DA · Posted: 8/7/2003 6:11:15 PM Post subject:

New meat> my landlord would throw me out if they caught keeping pets without permission, according to them I can't have a snake cos of the threat of disease..after I spent two hours printing stuff that proves that you can get worse stuff and the actual chances of getting anything they still nixed it for disease reasons, *sigh* oh well at least I'll get to move soon.