Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Reparte · Recusant Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 1

What the hell, people. I've seen blips of this site here and there, but I never really paid much attention. I finally got the urge to see what it was about... and I'm rather disappointed, to put it lightly. Come on-- furry bashing? Doesn't it seem just a tad cliche? Did the conversation that created this waste of space sound something like this:

"I'm bored. I wanna stir something up."
"Yeah, but what is there to do?"
"Hey, why don't we build a site that is all about bashing junk that we hate just because it's weird?"
"Okay, but what do we bash?"
"How about Trekkies?"
"Nah, there's tons of those sites."
"Star Wars?"
"No."
"Anime!"
"Gets old."
"D&D?"
"Dude, that game is the bomb! Leave it alone."
"Pansy. Anyway... how about furries?"
"Yeah! I've always hated how they have hobbies they enjoy and can draw worth a sh*t. Let's do it!"
"Yeah. Stupid people with actual skills."

I can only imagine the reasoning behind such a venture, though I wouldn't be surprised if some of the previous dialogue took place. What are you guys thinking? Are you thinking at all?

Okay, now that I've ranted a bit, I'd like to make a few lucid comments. You can respond as you like, I probably won't return to this site--only joined up to say my piece.
First of all, couldn't you guys find something better to do with your time than shredding something that someone else enjoys? I've read several of your posts/responses to other topics, and it's obvious that you aren't idiots. Ply your abilities and intelligence to something more constuctive. This entire site could be compared to a neanderthalic juvenile delinquent swatting the ice cream cone from the hands of a little kid because he didn't like the color. You're free to dislike whatever you want--so inversely, shouldn't others be allowed to like what they want, even if it is something to which you do not subscribe?
Secondly, I will readily admit that there are swarms of n00bs, twinks, and many other derrogatory stereotypes that do their best to ruin the fandom for others. Those of us who actually have something of value to offer dislike these people almost as much as you claim to. And unfortunately, thanks to the ever-sprawling reach of technology, such people are more and more pervasive and harder to block out. Seems like anyone with a pencil and a scanner thinks he or she can be a furry artist overnight. And yes, many of them attempt to draw furry porn, either out of immaturity or as a joke. Most of it sucks, and adds to the generally perverse appareance of the fandom. However, claiming that the entire fandom is a bad thing would be synonymous to proclaiming that all caucasians are stupid because Alabama rednecks are uneducated, inbred morons. The association is far too generalized-- totally non sequitur. Some individuals can successfully draw furry porn, simply because their skill in art belies the subject material. Ken Sample and Mark Parsons are two examples; not everyone is into macros, hermaphrodites, or hyper-endowments, but Sample and Parsons are incredible artists in their own right, regardless of the content.
I'll conclude by saying that even considered with due regard to freedom of speech, this site disinterests me far more than would a site of extreme furry fetishes that I do not care for. Why? Because this is a site designed around a message of hate. You hate what you consider to be a perverse and degenerate fandom; you hate the people who subscribe to it because they like what you don't; you hate the whole thing enough to gather others to you with like sentiments, solely for the purpose of ridiculing that which you do not wish to understand. All of these are obvious, and very sad. I wonder when someone will start a website dedicated to ridiculing moderators and members of web sites that can think of nothing better to do than hate.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I'll conclude by saying that even considered with due regard to freedom of speech, this site disinterests me far more than would a site of extreme furry fetishes that I do not care for.

Apparently, you have totally missed the entire point of why CYD exists in the first place.

Back to AFF with you now. Buh Bye.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Man... that misses the point of CYD so magnificently, a prize should be awarded.. like a big gold trophy depicting a person's head with an airplane flying waaaay over it. I'd try to respond to the general theme of the post, but 1) I don't want to speak on behalf of those who created the site and 2)I'm not sure it's worth the keystrokes.

You gotta love furry logic:

Discussing, albeit often glibly, where furrydom went from a fandom about enjoying anthropomorphic characters to a fandom about enjoying anthropomorphic characters with 6 boobs with dicks for each nipple tentacle raping Lola Bunny and calling it a lifestyle = TEH H8! Man... that would make Insomniac with Dave Attel a huge hatefest.. and Comedy Central is the channel of the new Nazi uprising. Poking fun at people? THE H8!

I particularly love the imaginary scenario of two Beavis and Butthead-esque anti-furs discussing who to subject to acts of fursecution and mundane terrorism.... almost as good as envisioning some gaunt figure in a tophat and cloak twirling his handlebar moustache.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Man... that misses the point of CYD so magnificently, a prize should be awarded.. like a big gold trophy depicting a person's head with an airplane flying waaaay over it.

Ummmmmm, Mitch? You think it's time to show that pic now? ;)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I like pie. I rather enjoy the taste of it; the succulence of that sugary treat upon my mouth with the light pastry crust.

I had a slice of "Gooseberry" pie on Sunday. It was delicious. 8)

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I have coconut cream pie sitting in my fridge. The coconut and custardey goodness are not to be missed. For real taste enjoyment, prease enjoy our pies. They will love to your intestines.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

Isn't it kinda ironoic that this guy gets on our case for trashing furries, yet joins the CYD message board to trash CYD? I think so, anyway...

...Like the Enquirer bitching about how filthy tabloids are...

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Because this is a site designed around a message of hate. You hate what you consider to be a perverse and degenerate fandom; you hate the people who subscribe to it because they like what you don't; you hate the whole thing enough to gather others to you with like sentiments, solely for the purpose of ridiculing that which you do not wish to understand

Sir, I would just like to say that you've hit the nail on your head exactly. We DO hate you because you're different. This IS a hate site, and we ARE unfair. We're also an entire internet away from you, so fucking deal with it.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I haven't even seen anything that's really TEH H8.... there's stuff that is disliked about the state of furrydom at present, but nothing that constitutes hate.

But... furry logic again... anything less than wholeheartedly embracing or at least apathetically accepting is HAYTE!

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

blah blah hate group blah blah nothing better to do with your time blah blah yif yiff blah blah

I love oriental people
I love black people
I love hispanic people
I love caucasian people
I love homos
I love lesbians
I love bisexuals
I love transexuals
I love midgets
I love giants

But I fucking hate overly sensitive, overweight, foul smelling skunk fuckers like the selected few of the furries we laugh at are.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

You guys got trolled dude. His post had all the hallmarks. He's watching us, and laughing.

The best way to deal with a troll, is not to respond to him.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Finally, someone who gets it! I'm sick of all these new people coming with their "You guys are so cool with your-telling-it-like-it-is blah blah I'm a furry but not a crazy one no no BTW allow me to regale you with a long-winded story about the history of furry fandom, beginning with its genesis as a cartoon fandom and ending with its degeneration into WANK, because Lord knows nobody's explained THAT before see I know my history LOVE ME."

Please stay.

Sehvekah · Qualificator Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 22

I have coconut cream pie sitting in my fridge. The coconut and custardey goodness are not to be missed. For real taste enjoyment, prease enjoy our pies. They will love to your intestines.

You're making me hungry... I can't rember what it was called, but I had a really nice peach cake, with slices of peaches everywhere... Damn, now that was a cake that takes the cake!

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Because this is a site designed around a message of hate. You hate what you consider to be a perverse and degenerate fandom; you hate the people who subscribe to it because they like what you don't; you hate the whole thing enough to gather others to you with like sentiments, solely for the purpose of ridiculing that which you do not wish to understand.

Well, at least you didn't accuse us of being closet furries who secretly spank it to Sabrina skunk smut, so kudos I suppose. Personally, I don't hate any of it or the fans. I am in fact intensely fascinated by it all. Yes, and amused by much of it, too. The closest I get to hate is an intense frustration with the sizable percentage of fans who appear to be totally lacking in any recognizable sense of humour or irony. Like you, you chucklehead.

Damn, go read the About page, I'm repeating myself here.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

The only thing I come close to genuine hate for is how knowledge of furry has forever tainted my perception of anthro characters in the media and Disney movies.

Case in point - Brother Bear. I went to see it, yes. Enjoyable, yes. Visually stunning, yes. Sick of Phil Collins cramming a song in at every turn like a schoolyard bully shoving dirt into a nerd's mouth, yes (Also known as the Spirit Syndrome as Bryan Adams did the same thing in that movie).

But, the moment I saw the trailers for it, I thought "Aw shit... I wonder how long it's gonna be before the furries start generating Brother Bear porn." Answer... not long. And then the hippie bear commune scene.... oh jeez... it's like an animated utopia for all of the fat, gay, hairy furries (a.k.a., the "bears".. though that's not an exclusively furry term). I could just imagine how many greasy furs were popping a boner at that scene.

I try not to dwell on that sort of thing, but if there's anything I could genuinely hate about furrydom, it's how such concepts were made known to me.

Beyond that, I'd have to agree that finding the whole thing fascinating is an apt description. I personally don't have any stake in the whole thing. So long as no one's getting hurt, and no kids or animals are molested in the process, then huzza. But to follow what furry started as to what it has become, and to watch the rise and fall of events in it is just really amazing. It's almost like Survivor... the fandom has spoken, gather your things and leave the con.

Besides, it's not like the people calling CYD a hate site don't have their own people that they dislike... soccer moms, cops, authority figures, politicians, whatever. You can dislike and mock something without hating it. Hell, you can mock it and not even dislike it.

CYD, the way it seems to me, isn't about hate... it's more about "Damn... did you see that? Tell me you saw that! I know I wasn't the only one that saw that. Damn.. just.... damn."

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

to the furry, and all other interested furries, a real and concrete answer to your question:

this and most other places that bash on furries or claim to be anti-furry.. or whatever you want to call it.. are populated by a certain type of person. furry, or cartoons, or funny animals, or any of those things.. was or is important to most people here. But they are talking about the harsh truth that the fandom is getting or already got ruined, probably by people like you - a fandom we used to actually like a lot. A different fandom you probably didn't even know existed before you came into it. I'm not a big poster here and I dont' even know anyone here personally nor am i friends with anyone here. they are all strange names to me. BUT I'm willing to bet big bucks that 90% of the people here were in the fandom a good 10-20 years before you ever even heard of it. honestly, who else would participate in such a group?

i've met several furries irl who don't understand why people make fun of furries on a site like this. the people here obviously have real reasons or real axes to grind, otherwise they wouldn't be here. no average internet passerby is going to even bother with furry bashing no matter how strange they think furry is.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Just a few minutes ago, I made a post on Furcentral.net where I likened stated you're a furry, but not a furry freak, to stating you read Playboy mainly for the articles. Granted, there are people that do read it largely for the articles, and the nekkid babes is just icing on the cake. But, be that as it may, you try explaining that to someone, and they're gonna say "Uh-huh... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight <wink wink>"

Same thing with furry these days. To most of the outside world, it has a bad image. To many people in the know.. like the folks here.. it has a tarnished image. I can't really see how that's going to change. So, getting uppity and defending the honor of the fandom, particularly by calling people that do sites like CYD asses, doesn't do a hell of a lot other than make the accuser look like they've had a nerve struck.

The damage is done... and now folks just need to admit that to say "I'm a furry" is potentially troublesome statement, regardless of whether or not they're a "furry freak" or not.

Of course, the response to this is often "So you're daring to say I should hide my furryness?!" Hide what... what you like to draw? If being a furry is so integral to your being that you'd have to make an serious effort to "hide" that fact.. you're probably into freak territory anyway. What some furries, even those that are more innocent, but still avid fans, fail to get, however, is that you don't have to share it with everyone. Yes.. it's a sad state of affairs.. but furry seems to have become a "don't ask, don't tell" situation among the general populace. I'm not gonna accost a person for drawing a hermtaur in their sketchbook... I'll just walk on by.... but I don't need to know how discovering you were a dragon-lemur hybrid trapped in a human body made your life complete while you're handing my peanut-butter shake across the cashier's counter to me.

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 81

What can I say in reply?
Wel having been involved in furry fandom, from the mid 80's, a time when you new most furry fans by name, to what it has evolved into now. I got to watch the slow inevitable downhill slide as time goes by, I was at the BayCon when the now infamous/historical "Skunk Fuckers" incedent, that should tell you something, heard all about it, saw some of the altered furry party flyers too, I should have snagged one it would have made an interesting document to have on hand.
But anyway I do not have a hatred for the fandom, for the most part there really are'nt alot of problesm with it, It's like I hav said before, and will do so again the assorted freaks, perverts, and other troublemakers that have attached themselves to, and seem to draw the most attention to themselves.
And from the looks of your post, you have not been around long enough to spot, most of the negative aspects of the fandom that will not go away, they have been around for years now and still remain, and the thing is nobody seems to really want to do anything about them.

That's all I have to say.

Later

IceCat

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I think the main thing I've always hoped to see come to pass was not so much that something was done about the small concentration of freaks, but that folks would just admit they were there.

Take The Purple Nurple on FurryMUCK. I don't know if it's age-locked now, but it wasn't back in my mucking days. If you're familiar with this place, you know it's someplace that should be age-locked. But, in my time, the admins were insisting that it was a kid-friendly place, and nothing inappropriate went on in the publically-accessable rooms.

My great aunt fanny.

But, in the furry view of a utopian world, a transexual heroin addict taking a horse up the ass would be considered kid-friendly.

I don't wish furry would shrivel up and die, leaving all of the misplaced animal spirits to pine away.... I just wish they'd admit that the freaks are there to stay, and take appropriate measures.

But that would be intolerant.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Funny thing is I'm probably the youngest person on here at 22 years and I don't see CYD as a hate site, really Furry needs to be mocked because it needs the sense of reality that mocking gives it otherwise most of the fandom would be living in lala land, not that they aren't anyway but CYD just brings them down to earth with a bump now and then.

We do not live in furry utopia, we live in the real world where some 40+ balding white guy dressed in a lion suit trying to have sex with another balding white guy in a pig suit is regarded as bizarre and mock-worthy.

I've only been around for five years online but I can still see what a cess pool furry has become over those years and it's getting worse by the day.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I think the curve plotting the decline of furry is pretty gradual over the first decade, then probably takes a sharp drop around the mid 90's.

Besides, it's not like all mockery is bad. Take Mad Magazine.. just because it parodies a movie doesn't mean everyone involved in the project hated the movie. Just because Weird Al did a song about The Phantom Menace to the tune of American Pie doesn't mean he doesn't own the original song and a DVD of the movie. Obviously, a lot of the mockery here is derisive, but not as derisive as the ruffled furs seem to think, IMO.

And it's not like a furry never mocked anyone else in their life.

Furry's gotta stay humble somehow.

Oh.. I just remembered the main thing that had gotten me banned from FurryMUCK.... emailing things like The Daily Show and the Jerry Springer Show and inviting them to take a look at furrydom and see if there was anything there they thought was worth looking at.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Guys, there's really no need for the massive "WE KNOW FURRIES DIFFER FROM INDIVIDUAL TO INVIVIDUAL" posts when a simple STFU FAG is sufficient.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

You know, I hear the Great Plain states are beautiful this time of year. Really a spectacle, with the fields and all.

Maine in summer beats it though. Personally, I think Maine's the most beautiful state here in the US, entire fields wild with Lupine, wildflowers, the trees are full and green, and the air smells sweet.

The little harbor towns look really cool with all of the lobster and fishing boats in the water, and the lobster traps piled up next to overgrown sheds, big coastal rock formations, and the lighthouses are awesome. I actually got to eat dinner at Bass Harbor Head Light, the coast guard commander of the entire coast of maine happens to be a family friend. 8)

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Guys, there's really no need for the massive "WE KNOW FURRIES DIFFER FROM INDIVIDUAL TO INVIVIDUAL" posts when a simple STFU FAG is sufficient.

I think it started as that, then turned more to an in-group discussion... but I see what you're saying.. something like:

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

You know, I hear the Great Plain states are beautiful this time of year. Really a spectacle, with the fields and all.

Maine in summer beats it though. Personally, I think Maine's the most beautiful state here in the US, entire fields wild with Lupine, wildflowers, the trees are full and green, and the air smells sweet.

The little harbor towns look really cool with all of the lobster and fishing boats in the water, and the lobster traps piled up next to overgrown sheds, big coastal rock formations, and the lighthouses are awesome. I actually got to eat dinner at Bass Harbor Head Light, the coast guard commander of the entire coast of maine happens to be a family friend. 8)

Raleigh, NC is the place. More than ten Starbucks in one place and despite the total caffeine-ization of the population, they're never too wired to say, "how are y'all?" in the nicest way. They sell the Bible and Shakespeare books in the porn shops next to the anal sex mags. And instead of talking about tractor parts, these days they're geek-ified and sit around the Tiger Direct outlet store discussing motherboards.

There's nothing finer than to wake up in Carolina in the morning...

DatdudeGil · Qualificator Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 36

You know, I hear the Great Plain states are beautiful this time of year. Really a spectacle, with the fields and all.

Maine in summer beats it though. Personally, I think Maine's the most beautiful state here in the US, entire fields wild with Lupine, wildflowers, the trees are full and green, and the air smells sweet.

The little harbor towns look really cool with all of the lobster and fishing boats in the water, and the lobster traps piled up next to overgrown sheds, big coastal rock formations, and the lighthouses are awesome. I actually got to eat dinner at Bass Harbor Head Light, the coast guard commander of the entire coast of maine happens to be a family friend. 8)

As much as I hate to say it, florida's nice this time of year. Great time to visit, see dolphin, etc. Just not good to live here now. ugh. Tourists.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Sunny Northern California is actually that right now - well, not at the hour, mind, but it has been beautiful all week. No one knows how to drive, but that's the state creed. This weekend looks tops! I'm considering driving around and just enjoying myself, but I'm torn. Not only am I getting ready to move (will be doing plenty of driving then), but the church/school nearby has a weekend carnival setup. They've got a few hokey old rides, but it's much closer than Santa Cruz. I think I deserve some play time. :)

MagKnightX · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 137

The D.C. Metro area is... well, I guess the sun... or maybe... ah, what the hell am I saying? It sucks. I guess I want to defend my area when you guys are praising yours, but it doesn't get good until summer or winter.

But hey, at least I can get better guns than you yoicks in CA (I live in NoVA, not DC proper).