Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

I really really really really hate mentioning politics on this messageboard (JAY NAYLOR NEVER FORGET), but I feel that I must at least once mention former Burned Fur celebrity Ralph Hayes and his Dittoheadedly insane goodness. His LJ is an amazing place where evolution is just a theory, gays will RULE THE WORLD and possibly also convert our very society if gay marriage is accepted, and other craziness I can't be bothered to point out 'cause it's late.

So here's the trillion dollar question: why is someone like him still hanging out in the furry scene? I have no fucking idea; maybe it's because his crushing banality only finds appreciation there, maybe it's something else. GOD ONLY KNOWS.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

So here's the trillion dollar question: why is someone like him still hanging out in the furry scene? I have no fucking idea; maybe it's because his crushing banality only finds appreciation there, maybe it's something else. GOD ONLY KNOWS.

Because people still stroke his ego for Nip and Tuck & Under The Lemon Tree & whatever his other comic strip are. He probably still thinks he can make money off the furry fandom as well.

Also the fact that he can find other right wing furs (He's on there on irc.anthrochat.net whenever he comes onto #furry. He retreats to there whenever he is smacked down off his high horse.) he can talk to.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

I don't understand how anyone sane can associate with him without thinking "You know this guy is kind of nuts"

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

I don't understand how anyone sane can associate with him without thinking "You know this guy is kind of nuts"

He is kind of like dealing with a retarded Rush Limbaugh. You know you shouldn't poke him with a stick, but you got to.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

I don't understand how anyone sane can associate with him without thinking "You know this guy is kind of nuts"

He is kind of like dealing with a retarded Rush Limbaugh. You know you shouldn't poke him with a stick, but you got to.

I mean, what about other furries that I KNOW are fruity as they come, yet they adore this guy? Is it another one of those messed up furry things? Like they'd rather jump at the throat of PoE regulars or SA Goons rather than hate some bigoted nutjob just because he's "one of them (a furry.)"

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

And it's okay for furry to be full of elitst leftist dipshits who spout their own condescending prejudiced bigotry?

Might want to close the thread before we actually have a discussion that uncovers the massive pot-kettle-black nature of politics in furry where complaining about conservatives is okay while complaining about loony lefties is not.

Is CYD aligning more with furrydom lately or is it just me?

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

If you want, I could start up a thread dealing with real politics involving the real world-dom. :}

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Might want to close the thread before we actually have a discussion that uncovers the massive pot-kettle-black nature of politics in furry where complaining about conservatives is okay while complaining about loony lefties is not.

Last I checked, it was OK to complain about Manawolf and that "Tigerwolf" dude.

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

And it's okay for furry to be full of elitst leftist dipshits who spout their own condescending prejudiced bigotry?

Might want to close the thread before we actually have a discussion that uncovers the massive pot-kettle-black nature of politics in furry where complaining about conservatives is okay while complaining about loony lefties is not.

Is CYD aligning more with furrydom lately or is it just me?

Uhh, Wayd, do you KNOW this guy?

I'm thinking you don't, because if you did, even YOU would find him scary.

Just TRUST me on this one, okay?

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I've actually had this conversation before. My roommate, (for the libeals - a guntoating homophobe), thinks Hayes is more than a bit over the edge.

Personally, I think the truth is that as much as Hayes hates the fandom, he's obsessed with it, much as we all seem to have been at some point. Hayes, however, must have been taught that sex is bad, and forbid it not be for procreation in the Lord's name, or whatnot. Looking at his comics (I read a few in the past, but not as a fan, more as a spectator), I noticed how he hinted to his character, otherwise known as "Some bear", taking in a girlfriend. I must have spent a half hour reading his 'wholesome' comic where his character was too shy to kiss, snuggle, or create otherwise actions which are *shock* found in non-furry comics. He's just another manchild who is insecure within himself, his self worth, and his identity.

Welcome to Hotel Furifornia. You may check out at any time, but you may never leave.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Might want to close the thread before we actually have a discussion that uncovers the massive pot-kettle-black nature of politics in furry where complaining about conservatives is okay while complaining about loony lefties is not.

Your average conservative will assfuck you without so much as a by-your-fucking-leave, but will inform you in deep and manly tones that it's for the good of the nation and the world, and of course he'll be wrapped in the flag while he does so. He will also reassure you that yes, of course you are entitled to possess firearms to defend yourself against thieves and robbers and vile criminals, except of course the brute who is currently ramrodding you, and don't even think about defending yourself against him or he'll call the FBI or the DEA to put a gun to your head.

The left, on the other hand, would endeavour to persuade you to offer up your own ass for the good of democracy, and of course charge you handsomely for the privilege, will tell you most sincerely that "we're all in this together", and would likely have the good grace to give you a reach-round while plumbing your nether regions in order to demonstrate how he differs from those loathesome Republicans.

In essence: whichever way you turn, right or left, someone is bound to be fucked in the ass, and whatever happens, it won't be the government.

Is CYD aligning more with furrydom lately or is it just me?

How do you mean "aligning more with furrydom"? Are we too much to the left? Too fond of funny animals? Too tolerant?

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Might want to close the thread before we actually have a discussion that uncovers the massive pot-kettle-black nature of politics in furry where complaining about conservatives is okay while complaining about loony lefties is not.

stuffstuffstuffstuff

This is why I've abandoned conservatism and still loathe the left. I'm really not interested in our government anymore.

I'm not anarchic, mind you, just extremely moderate.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

Please answer my question, I'm still confused. How can your average joe skunkplushfucker pass off what he's saying as just a "political opinion" and still be his friend? It's hurting my head.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Please answer my question, I'm still confused. How can your average joe skunkplushfucker pass off what he's saying as just a "political opinion" and still be his friend? It's hurting my head.

I guess the simple answer is just: for the same reason I can hang out with punks, anarchists, vegans, rednecks, hippies, auto mechanics, straightedges, freaks, goths, guys with 1930's nazi memoribilia welded to thier motorcycles,

If I was solely looking for friends completely identical to me I would be wasting my time. Sometimes you just have to overlook certain aspects that you dont agree with someone on. (i always hope the same courtesy is extended to me and it usually is.)

As for RHJunior, these people might like his art..or they might not find his politics as insane/incorrect/whatever as lot of people would.

The_Censorship_Nazi · Rasophore Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 59

Hooboy, this is a big one...

Well, Hayes does seem to be a bit on edge, that's true. However, you have to realize that in the religious department, he's not alone. There are quite literally tens of thousands of people who believe evolution does not actually exist and is an affront to God. (If you want an interesting account on this movement, check out "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Michael Shermer. He also covers Holocaust Denial, Ayn Rand, and other delightful nonsense!)

Hayes is not as absurd as he might seem tho. If you take a chance to talk with him, he can actually provide some interesting insight. For instance, he is against gun control, citing the practical applications of a gun for self defense - just the image can cause quite a stir. A lot of furry fans enjoy Hayes for the simple reason that in their minds, Hayes does some good stuff. He deals with a lot of tricky questions in his comics (although not to such an extent as to make it "adult"), and also has cute characters. He even takes a bit of a middle road when it comes to various fandoms - he deals with both extremes of the general scifi fandom, both the media (furries usually chuckle at the references to a Jimmy Kimmel show done at the last Confurence) and the seriously disturbed (a person who believes he has an invisible unicorn protecting him...). Besides, there are quite a few sickening and odd sex comics about today, or ones with excessive amounts of violence - some people go to quite a length to find something that's more wholesome, and choose to disregard any personal problems that the author of the material may have.

(If this seems like a lot of defense for Hayes, I apologize. The fact that I regularly read all three of his comics - Under the Lemon Tree, Nip & Tuck, and Tales of the Questor - probably makes me biased.)

In the end, the whole thing is pretty moot since most of you will either never meet Hayes or actively avoid him. 'tis a weird business we're in...