Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

http://www.4chan.org/bbs/test/read.php/sug/1083439469/

Most of you know about 4chan, a fantastically huge, high-traffic image posting board where EVERY CONCIEVABLE PICTURE gets uploaded at one time or another. Of course, a lot of those pickshures happen to be of the cartoon pornography variety. The stuff that gets posted there is, of course, often so fucked-up that the question of "so why isn't there a furry section" gets asked periodically. Chris Baird's answer deserves a repost here:

Fuck No, with a Captial P.

Like what happened at 5chan, once it becomes an established place for ZOMG COPYRIGHT RAPE, the likes of
sexyfur.com would be threatening moot with legal action every other day.

It'd become another VCL/DA. Fuckwits like 'Nightcrawler' would come here, and likely infest the other
imgboards.

Furry artists' WILL try to use the board to commercially advertise their FurBid crap by posting low-res
watermarked pics that're just a waste of bandwidth and time. Those same artists will NEVER send a cent
from their profits in moot's direction. And if you complain about that unfairness, whiney cocksucking furry
syncophants will flood-flame about how the artists are doing moot a favour (somehow) by their posting any
of their art at all...

The irony of that statement has yet to wear off (but to be fair it hasn't had much time to do so). Folks, this is a board with a lolicon section, a board where posting the most insane shit the law will allow is the rule of the day. And yet, furries can't play along, because they're dramawhoring supernovas of utter fagosity who destroy everything they touch. For this reason and this reason alone, they're lower on the internet ladder then people who beat off to Card Captor Sakura porn. We all need to think about that for a second, if we haven't already.

You know, ever since the Burned Fur debacle happened, it's been clear as day that furry just fails utterly as a legitimate cartooning sub-genre. Now, on top of that I'm starting to think that it fares just as poorly as a fetish culture. It's as if the furries insist on being so pathetic and insane soley as a method of consciously resisting any attempt at any sort of classification.

creature · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 132

I honestly have to agree. So many furry artists get their undies in a knot about their copyright or some other BS, they forget things like the fact that most of the Internet doesn't give a shit about copyrights.

I do agree with him about the FurBid posting, as I've seen a couple decent LJ art groups turn into that and eBay ripoff sites. Just tons and tons of "BUYZ ME ARTZ!!!!!!" Fucking drives me nuts.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Just to add a bit of a stupid, yet ironic twist, someone is bitching that 'b' is generally filled up with furry shit.

On the front page of this section, who's there? Why, it's non-other than that silly misanthrope of his own accord, Fredryk Phox.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I think this little image is pretty ironic and the very phrase self-contradictory. Of course, just scroll down and you'll see which one.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I think this little image is pretty ironic and the very phrase self-contradictory. Of course, just scroll down and you'll see which one.

Did you mean this?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I think this little image is pretty ironic and the very phrase self-contradictory. Of course, just scroll down and you'll see which one.

Did you mean this?

Yup. Damn 4chan doesn't allow straight linking.

If Japanese lolita porn outranks furry, you know furry has reached a new low. This site just says so much about so much.

Thanks to Comp for pointing this out.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

http://www.4chan.org/bbs/test/read.php/sug/1083439469/

Most of you know about 4chan,

Actually, I always see links to cartoon porn at 4chan and 5chan

what exactly are these sites? Are they discussion boards for images or are they archives?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Chris Baird occasionally used to pop up on Fur.Artwork.erotica to piss and moan about how the group is filled up with crap and furbid stuff.

Though, he never actually tried to do anything about it, except pissing and moaning.

piss piss, moan moan.

So he can piss and moan from now till judgement day, and it won’t make any difference whatsoever.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

The irony of that statement has yet to wear off (but to be fair it hasn't had much time to do so). Folks, this is a board with a lolicon section, a board where posting the most insane shit the law will allow is the rule of the day. And yet, furries can't play along, because they're dramawhoring supernovas of utter fagosity who destroy everything they touch. For this reason and this reason alone, they're lower on the internet ladder then people who beat off to Card Captor Sakura porn. We all need to think about that for a second, if we haven't already.

You know, ever since the Burned Fur debacle happened, it's been clear as day that furry just fails utterly as a legitimate cartooning sub-genre. Now, on top of that I'm starting to think that it fares just as poorly as a fetish culture. It's as if the furries insist on being so pathetic and insane soley as a method of consciously resisting any attempt at any sort of classification.

I've broadened my concept of the furry lack of discretion. I've pretty much always held that this characteristic lack of discretion led furries to put on BDSM displays in hotel lobbies, spray elevators with spooge, and talk incessantly about their delusions and fetishes any time a television camera is pointed at them. But now, that view has broadened to suggest that this same lack of discretion is precisely what chokes places like VCL up with crap. The same lack of discretion that causes a system failure in their "Gee, maybe I shouldn't do this in public" breaks down when something in their brain starts to suggest, "You know I have 100+ images in my archive, most of them dating back to stuff I drew in the 80s. Maybe it's time to thin the herd a little."

It's understandable why no image-hosting archive would want to forbid them from posting. Bandwidth is precious, and furries will suck up every bit they can like Homer Simpson schlucking spilled beer out of a plush-pile carpet.

I'm with you on the whole idea that furry basically fails as any coherent group. We've all been involved with.. or at least witness to.. discussions on trying to define just what furry is. The fact that no one can come up with a coherent answer is really a pretty powerful indication that furry fandom suffers from a lack of focus. With any established fandom, group, culture, etc., you typically have something that members can point to and say "This is what it's all about."

It's pretty obvious what defines African Americans as a race.

It's pretty obvious what defines a Jewish person as a member of the Jewish faith (and even the culture that grows out of it).

It's reasonably obvious what defines someone of the Greek culture.

It's pretty obvious what defines the common bond among Trekkies.

But when you get down to furrydom, the interest in animals is just a bit too broad. For some, it's cartoon animals in comics and animation. For some, it's the belief that they are a dragon trapped in a human body. For others, it's subscribing to animal-based philosophies from shamanistic religions. For others, it's the desire to have a dolphin dry hump them on a trip to Sea World. Most people like animals to one degree or another. That really isn't a focused enough core to really bring people together. If it is, it's usually more specific. PETA folks all like animals, but are very adamant about animal rights and how a hamburger is the tool of the devil. Folks may form a club to go out and watch bears... at least they have ONE animal and a specific activity their group is focused on.

And as you said, it's not even like they succeed as being a collection of fetishists. They're not all there because they like BDSM, or vinyl, or feet, or diapers, or any one real thing to unite them all. If there's any one true common thread that brings them all together, it's that many of them come to the cons, the mucks, the forums, etc. for the simple desire for human contact. (Yeah, I said HY00MAN contact.) The interest in animals or morphs is simply the gateway, I think. Once they discover other people that have a similar interest, then the whole furry thing really kind of falls by the wayside.. which may be why it's so easy to attach things to furry that really don't have anything at all to do with it.

You could send a bunch of them out for pizza and, despite the fact that pizza has nothing to do with furrydom, it's still a furry outing. You have a more cohesive bond with a left-handers club.

Furrydom sees its broad scope as a testament to how open and accepting a furry utopian society should and could work. But, really, that "broad scope" is testament to the fact that they just can't get their act together and say "This is what furry is about... this stuff over here is stuff furry fans may be into, but it's not what furry fandom is about."

What if Trekkies were to start having Admiral Ackbar look-alike contests? I'm sure there's plenty of Trekkies that are Star Wars fanatics as well, but it's not like they go to a Trek con dressed as an X-wing pilot and try to convince the Trekkies that their interests are simply broader in scope.

When you get down to it, it really seems the stuff that furrydom tauts as making it strong is really what weakens it.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

A very insightful post, zenzhu. I'm going to show it to some geek friends. The only common thread for furry is the concept of anthropomorphism or personification of animals. A fascination man merged with beast in some manner. Otherwise, it's all out in the open. There is no show or anything like that they can base themselves on. There isn't really a good base for fan art either, to reference your other thread, so the art from furry has nothing to aspire or compare to, which is another reason the art is so bad.

Furries latching onto any anthro or personified animal ANYTHING seems silly to me. I mean, if you have an interest in werewolves, that's one thing. But lots of furries out there just like anything mixed with animals: cartoon, music, literature, whatever. I find that ridiculous, a way of being a sheep to furry fandom. They're seeking these things out because of animals, not because of any prior interest in those particular media. And they aim to pervert it as well.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Furries latching onto any anthro or personified animal ANYTHING seems silly to me.

This is incorrect though, with all the bickering going on in the furry fandom in general, I cant believe for a minute that everyone likes the exact same thing. What are you seeing is different sectors of the same group that they all like different things.

I mean, if you have an interest in werewolves, that's one thing. But lots of furries out there just like anything mixed with animals: cartoon, music, literature, whatever. I find that ridiculous, a way of being a sheep to furry fandom.

This can be applied to absolutely any interest group though. It is in no way singular to furry fandom. In fact Anime fandom is a really good example. How many anime fans try picking up japanese language, eating the food , and everything else?

The only thing special I see in furry fandom is the amazing level of incompetence and chaos. Thats really it.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

So, we're performing psychoanalysis on a patient that's really just an idjit. :D

The_Censorship_Nazi · Rasophore Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 59

Which is really sad considering how many times psychoanalysis has been debunked anyway.

It's enough to make you want to take up chartered accounting as a career.

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

This can be applied to absolutely any interest group though. It is in no way singular to furry fandom. In fact Anime fandom is a really good example. How many anime fans try picking up japanese language, eating the food , and everything else?

The only thing special I see in furry fandom is the amazing level of incompetence and chaos. Thats really it.

how i long for the days when watching anime was just that... watching anime. fanboys... bleh.

at least the japanese is a real honest to god culture. i don't know much about japan, but i do like sushi.

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

Now I hear that in Japan everyone just lives in sin..
They pray to several gods and put needles in their skin...
and draw beauties like this. =)

http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1084390273715.jpg

Quantum Coyote · Qualificator Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 40

Notice they can show all that, but they genitals are blurred. I'll never understand Japanese obscenity laws..
And what the hell is that in her gut, a bomb? <confused>

viron · Apocrisiary Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

Notice they can show all that, but they genitals are blurred. I'll never understand Japanese obscenity laws..
And what the hell is that in her gut, a bomb? <confused>

That IS japanese obscenity laws: anything goes as long as actual sex organs are not shown. I think their tv or magazine laws are something like no organs or pubic hair, at least they used to be about 13 years ago when i read up on japanese/us culture differences in media (had to study that at one point).

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Notice they can show all that, but they genitals are blurred. I'll never understand Japanese obscenity laws..
And what the hell is that in her gut, a bomb? <confused>

That IS japanese obscenity laws: anything goes as long as actual sex organs are not shown. I think their tv or magazine laws are something like no organs or pubic hair, at least they used to be about 13 years ago when i read up on japanese/us culture differences in media (had to study that at one point).

That's where the tentacle fetish came from, they weren't allowed to show penis's so they had to substitute something for it.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Notice they can show all that, but they genitals are blurred. I'll never understand Japanese obscenity laws..
And what the hell is that in her gut, a bomb? <confused>

Uhm... that's not her gut.... that's her ass. :shock:

Mommy, I'm scared.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

That's where the tentacle fetish came from, they weren't allowed to show penis's so they had to substitute something for it.

No, those laws are modern, and somewhere some museum had a Japanese tentacle rape painting dating from the 1600's (seriously)

It was called "the fishermans wife" or something

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

That's where the tentacle fetish came from, they weren't allowed to show penis's so they had to substitute something for it.

No, those laws are modern, and somewhere some museum had a Japanese tentacle rape painting dating from the 1600's (seriously)

It was called "the fishermans wife" or something

Proto-tentacle-rape pic

and also...

Woman Diver and Octopus (carving).

... it is possible by locking between the parted tentacles of the octopus, to see that the skirt by no means completely covers the girl, and that the embraces of the mollusc are far from displeasing.

:shock:

Quantum Coyote · Qualificator Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 40

Holy shit, would you look at that... I had read the tenticle stuff was a result of the laws as well. Very interesting. I wonder what all that text is, a lurid description of the 'encounter'?
Ohwell, as long as the subject is only a WOMAN (translation: slab of meat to be treated with less kindess and given less liberty than livestock)

-QC