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m_estrugo · Prattler Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 189

I just have read this message on AFF:

Hi everyone

I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
some information?

Mike

Followed by this reply by Steve Gallacci:

A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his web site..

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

I just have read this message on AFF:

Hi everyone

I just got an email from Donna Barr that Paul Kidd is having some legal
problems in Australia vis a vis censorship. Can any Aussie furs contribute
some information?

Mike

Followed by this reply by Steve Gallacci:

A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his web site..

LOL! I just knew that all that stuff about Itbit (a five year old mousie slavegirl from Fangs of Kaath) talking about having "happywriggles" with a grown man was sure to get his ass into trouble sooner or later.

Paul Kidd is a DICK. His ego actually rates as huge as Eric Schwartz's, and he deserves all the lousy karma that's coming to him.

Watch the few publishers that would touch his drek run away as if Paul were the plague.

Buh bye, Paul Kidd. Buh bye.

Rankin · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 727

...I just knew that all that stuff about Itbit (a five year old mousie slavegirl from Fangs of Kaath) talking about having "happywriggles" with a grown man was sure to get his ass into trouble sooner or later.

Er... WHAT? I'm entirely unfamiliar with Kidd's work, other than being suggested that I 'look at tank vixens'. Considering this was from the same person who just looooooved ASB, I gave it a pass.

One down, several, eh, a shitload to go. Next on the roster: Steve Martin and William "INTERNETTTT" Shaw.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Step by step... inch by inch.....

I had to Google his name to remember who he was. I had him confused with Jeremy Kidd. I came across his website and found this:

University was a place to wear kilts to tutorials, stage massive waterfights in the agora and interfere with women sexually. I think there were some classes in there somewhere, too.

My BA degree specialized in Aztec History, English Civil War History, and had occasional sashays into Early Chinese History and English lit. In the years Since University, I have applied myself far more deeply to history, philosophy and myth. Everyone has a weird pedantic speciality or two: My ones are arms and armour, and military history.

Readers of my work will notice my ongoing insistence that fantasy should pass the test of logic. Fights are things I portray realistically. When I create a ‘fantasy’ society, it has a proper structure.

I know if you can make a living at something you love, more power to you... but........ Aztec history as a major? I suppose if you're going to be a college professor, you could have such a specialized focus. But, if you're planning on being out in the non-university workforce, I just don't get the guys that go for majors in philosophy or mythology or such. I can see a double major, pairing those with something a little more....... employable.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 81

But, if you're planning on being out in the non-university workforce, I just don't get the guys that go for majors in philosophy or mythology or such. I can see a double major, pairing those with something a little more....... employable.

Put it this way-- if you can crank out hardcopy on such an esoteric subject, you can crank out hardcopy on anything. That's an incredibly marketable skill...

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

LOL! I just knew that all that stuff about Itbit (a five year old mousie slavegirl from Fangs of Kaath) talking about having "happywriggles" with a grown man was sure to get his ass into trouble sooner or later.

whaaaaaaaaaaaat

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Put it this way-- if you can crank out hardcopy on such an esoteric subject, you can crank out hardcopy on anything. That's an incredibly marketable skill...

Okay, yeah.. I definitely have to grant you that.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

LOL! I just knew that all that stuff about Itbit (a five year old mousie slavegirl from Fangs of Kaath) talking about having "happywriggles" with a grown man was sure to get his ass into trouble sooner or later.

whaaaaaaaaaaaat

I be shitting you not. In fact, he even had that art whore Terrie Smith draw the whole scene up in comic format. I think I might have a copy of that notorious page somewhere.

The_Censorship_Nazi · Rasophore Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 59

Excuse me for being ignorant, but WHO THE HELL IS PAUL KIDD?!?!

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Excuse me for being ignorant, but WHO THE HELL IS PAUL KIDD?!?!

Soon to be dead meat in the Australian prison system, by the looks of it.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

I be shitting you not. In fact, he even had that art whore Terrie Smith draw the whole scene up in comic format. I think I might have a copy of that notorious page somewhere.

Good grief, what is UP with that dialogue? It makes me want to hit myself in the head with a ball peen hammer. That's so bad, it almost can't be attributed to bad writing... like it's an offshoot of some personal fetish of his or something.

More and more I fail to understand why folks worship Terrie Smith (other than the fact that she's apparently an art whore that gives the furries their boytoy quota). Every freaking character freaking looks the freaking same. If you lined every character of hers up, I probably couldn't tell half of them apart and would assume they were the same character in different costumes.

Gay, gay, gay, ghey, fey, ghey, fag, fag, Elfquest fag, Elfquest gay, fey Elfquest elf, wolf boi, wolf boi, wolf boi, wolf boi, Chester, Chester, Chester, Chester, Elfquest Chester, Elfquest wolf boi, Red Shetland, mouse version of Red Shetland, Elfquest mouse.....

Lube up, Paul...

And say hello to your husbands

Donotsue · Venter Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 209

Tried to seek what's this fuzz all about, on Kidd's page... but I didn't see anything there that'd alert the fuzz..=)

Thougth Aussies were more sensible than yankees with their morals.. But.. Does this 5 year old mousie actually do ...stuff in the comic?
*Gak!*

Nimbl once gave me his old issues of Tankvixens.. four of them... They're not drawn too badly! =)

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Caveat emptor. Coitus interruptus. Mitzi Gaynor ad nauseum, Amen!

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

Good grief, what is UP with that dialogue? It makes me want to hit myself in the head with a ball peen hammer. That's so bad, it almost can't be attributed to bad writing...

Yeah, actually that was almost painful to read.

I havent read tons of Kidd's stuff but it seems he is usually a good writer. I thought that Fangs of Ka'ath was actually a good comic book, but I never read it myself.

Tried to seek what's this fuzz all about, on Kidd's page... but I didn't see anything there that'd alert the fuzz..=)

Thougth Aussies were more sensible than yankees with their morals.. But.. Does this 5 year old mousie actually do ...stuff in the comic?
*Gak!*

Nimbl once gave me his old issues of Tankvixens.. four of them... They're not drawn too badly! =)

Well, all the info out there right now is like 3rd or 4th degree so who knows why they actually busted him...maybe he had actual kiddie porn..who knows. I doubt it was anything from fangs of kaath though... that was published like 10 years ago?

I have the collected tank vixens and that was pretty cool, although since the entire thing was based on one joke.. by default it was sort of drawn out (IMO)

Even if paul Kidd is an egomaniac I don't think he should be in jail unless he really did something wrong. That comic page that was posted is..uh.. awkward but not outright horrifying. This most likely is some sort of censorship or some overzealous prosecutor.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

Guys, when you post AFF links, actually link to them.

also: what the fuck

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

I just have read this message on AFF:

.....

Followed by this reply by Steve Gallacci:

A friend, Cindy Murata, got an email from Paul, saying he is being prosecuted for kiddy porn by having sexy furry art, presumably on his web site..

He's so PWNED.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

I be shitting you not. In fact, he even had that art whore Terrie Smith draw the whole scene up in comic format. I think I might have a copy of that notorious page somewhere.

MEMO TO FURRIES: PLAYING AROUND ON MUCKS SINCE AGE 14 DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF DEVELOPING GOOD WRITING SKILLS

EDIT AHAHAHAHA

Rankin · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 727

EDIT AHAHAHAHA

No. No no no. NO! THIS DOES NOT EXIST.

I managed the first, part of the fifth, and the pictures of the last page. I don't think I've been quite so annoyed and disturbed by another's fantasies - and this includes Steve Martin's 'shiny happy fuck me pre-teens'.

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

I be shitting you not. In fact, he even had that art whore Terrie Smith draw the whole scene up in comic format. I think I might have a copy of that notorious page somewhere.

Wow, a pedophile's fantasy - the kid takes the initiative! That page is just wrong, wrong, wrong! And the dialogue is indeed a pain to read.

EDIT AHAHAHAHA

And so is this, although it's mostly painfully unfunny in it's attempt to make a funny presentation of the same fetishes it wallows in.

In conclusion: BLARGH.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Nimbl once gave me his old issues of Tankvixens.. four of them... They're not drawn too badly! =)

Well, THIS issues were drawn by Mike Sagara. An artist has for the most part left furry (gee, I wonder why?).

At the mo, Paul's got Greg Panovich to do his best Sagara impression on TV.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Even if paul Kidd is an egomaniac I don't think he should be in jail unless he really did something wrong. That comic page that was posted is..uh.. awkward but not outright horrifying. This most likely is some sort of censorship or some overzealous prosecutor.

Well true. Maybe we should be glad Kidd isn't passing out cans of "Jesus Juice" out to kids.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

He's so PWNED.

Yeah. He's owned all right, but I'm sure his master will be generous enough to rent Paul out to the other cons for a few cartons of cigarrettes.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

No. No no no. NO! THIS DOES NOT EXIST.

Heh heh. You've never seen Paul's portfolio called "Hot Buttered Mice", have you?

Rankin · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 727

Heh heh. You've never seen Paul's portfolio called "Hot Buttered Mice", have you?

I've seen some fucked up things in my time, but I'm quite proud to give this a nice glowing red NO.

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

Uhm...whats the big deal with the Christmas comic, now?

Yeah, its stupid, but I personally found it mildly amusing
Its not like its that explicit or anything ... :?

Heh heh. You've never seen Paul's portfolio called "Hot Buttered Mice", have you?

I thought Kidd didnt/couldn't draw? or it just a collection of pieces he directed/commissioned?

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

I thought Kidd didnt/couldn't draw? or it just a collection of pieces he directed/commissioned?

Yeah. He got Monika Livingstone to draw it up for him. Was meant as a satire for the way Steve Martin always draws his characters to look like they were freshly painted.

viron · Rasophore Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 52

Excuse me for being ignorant, but WHO THE HELL IS PAUL KIDD?!?!

very popular furry writer from about 10+ years ago.

Coolest thing he ever said to me - any dumbass could draw furry art. Then he proceeded to draw a furry by looking at terrie smith or michele light - or someone's - art. took him a while but he did it and it looked just like any other so-called "good" furry artist's porno drawing, and he had no art skill whatsoever, or so he claimed.

i wasn't too familiar with him tho. i knew he wrote pervo stuff but i never paid him any mind. He did do some primo funny stuff, tho. some of his writing was genuinely inspired. he wrote some book i read. back then he says to me go buy his new book that was just released.. some forgotten realms book published by TSR, and it was HILARIOUS, on par with terry pratchett. oh, i remember it was called "the council of blades"

his ego must have been great because unlike other people in the furry fandom, he actually had real novels to his name that were published by actual publishers. iow, he actually did real shit as opposed to the fake fan shit that all furries do. i've seen his books at the bookstore on many occasions.

the few emails i had with him, he certainly seemed like a crazy bastard but i never suspected something like this off him. but i never followed his career much.

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

He's so PWNED.

Yeah. He's owned all right, but I'm sure his master will be generous enough to rent Paul out to the other cons for a few cartons of cigarrettes.

Uh, he's not worth even one cig.

In fact, types like him usually end up shanked with a filed-down toothbrush or something.

Sucks to be him.

EDIT AHAHAHAHA

*squirms in seat*

Oh god no... please... Not... Right... :cry: :cry: :cry:

*curls up in a fetus position...*

(Edited for spelling (God I need sleep... If I can sleep after seeing THAT))

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

He's owned all right, but I'm sure his master will be generous enough to rent Paul out to the other cons for a few cartons of cigarrettes.

Which con master is this, pray tell?

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

He's owned all right, but I'm sure his master will be generous enough to rent Paul out to the other cons for a few cartons of cigarrettes.

Which con master is this, pray tell?

"Con" as in "convict", not "convention".

(Although it seems that some fanboys seem to think of themselves above the law and end up in cons AND being convicts, such as Ed Kramer and soon, Paul Kidd)

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

"Con" as in "convict", not "convention".

Oh. *slaps forehead*

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 87

EDIT AHAHAHAHA

That's nothing new saw it in print years ago, big deal...

Later

IceCat

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

It's new to me.

Yes, I'm a newb. New Blood. Unsoiled (barely) by the phandumb.

m_estrugo · Prattler Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 189

Myself, I'd wait for a little until I get more first-hand information before jumping to conclussions.

I don't know if in this case Mr. Paul Kidd has been accused because of his -furry- stuff, and I rather think that it could have been something -else- he could have had; something that -COULD- have reflected on his furry works.

Once again, in Victoria, the law states that child pornography 'means a film, photograph, publication or computer game that describes or depicts a person who is, or who looks like, a minor under 16 engaging in sexual activity or depicted in an indecent manner or context' (Crimes Act, 67A). Under this law, 'publications' also include stories, poems, essays, drawings and cartoons. Under this context, 'cub art' would be deemed illegal and could result on accusation under a pedophilia charge.

But, as I said before, I still know too little to do such conjectures. In any case, and supposing he's found guilty of child pornography, it's most likely that he will be sentenced to three years of prison.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

But, as I said before, I still know too little to do such conjectures. In any case, and supposing he's found guilty of child pornography, it's most likely that he will be sentenced to three years of prison.

And being registered as a sex offender, having his passport revoked (no more going to US/UK furry cons), no publisher outside of the NAMBLA Newsletter would ever touch his work, and he can most certainly kiss good-bye any hopes of finding financial support for that dreamed-for animation studio of his.

The schadenfreude feels absolutely great, baby! :twisted:

viron · Rasophore Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 52

Myself, I'd wait for a little until I get more first-hand information before jumping to conclussions.

And we should not. Some furry people have been mumbling about this and apparently the supposed child pornography of Kidd's is basically a really stupid mistake on his part. The rumor is he took pictures of his children playing in the bathtub, like every parent on earth usually does. But like an idiot he posted on a website or something because he was all coo coo cutesy proud of his kids. This is like 5th-hand information, from friend of a friend x 4 who knows Paul. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true, though. Internet rumors are always so much more devious and dramatic than the real story.

If this is the case, you all are going apeshit over some supposed furry antics when it was not furry-related at all and merely a silly misunderstanding that's led to a serious charge, something that historically happens to unfortunate souls all the time. I'm not a paul kidd defender, i barely know the guy, as we emailed each other for a week sometime in 98 or 99, that being the extent of my relationship with him. But all this guesswork on here and on AFF just makes people just look like gossipy old women.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

I be shitting you not. In fact, he even had that art whore Terrie Smith draw the whole scene up in comic format. I think I might have a copy of that notorious page somewhere.

maybe I'm misinterpreting that page... uh... ugh.

Sorry I tried playing devil's advocate here for once but I don't think I can.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

Myself, I'd wait for a little until I get more first-hand information before jumping to conclussions.

And we should not. Some furry people have been mumbling about this and apparently the supposed child pornography of Kidd's is basically a really stupid mistake on his part. The rumor is he took pictures of his children playing in the bathtub, like every parent on earth usually does. But like an idiot he posted on a website or something because he was all coo coo cutesy proud of his kids. This is like 5th-hand information, from friend of a friend x 4 who knows Paul. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true, though. Internet rumors are always so much more devious and dramatic than the real story.

If this is the case, you all are going apeshit over some supposed furry antics when it was not furry-related at all and merely a silly misunderstanding that's led to a serious charge, something that historically happens to unfortunate souls all the time. I'm not a paul kidd defender, i barely know the guy, as we emailed each other for a week sometime in 98 or 99, that being the extent of my relationship with him. But all this guesswork on here and on AFF just makes people just look like gossipy old women.

That sounds the most likely explanation for Paul Kidd's misfortune; people have landed in hot water here in the UK for the same thing; in fact, some have even been arrested just for sending bathtime photos of their kids for processing. Hopefully someone will mention this on a.f.f. and quash the bonkers speculations.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Looking at that one page with that Itbit character, it's possible that could fall under laws such as m_estrugo described, if other parts of the comic or related novel clearly establish the character is underage. I'm not sure what it's like overseas. The U.S. has decided that it's okay to draw such stuff, but not have depictions of actual people. So, that kinda schluck would be protected here.

Personally, I've never bought the idea furries use as a defense that that one can write/draw/RP something without really having at least a passing curiosity about it. Still, drawing is a far cry from committing... but it conveys a latent possibility of someday taking the next step.

Anyway, regardless, if having an underaged harem mouse would qualifiy as child porn in Australia, then that was just a stupid thing to do. But, since the real scoop hasn't been fleshed out, I'll try to withhold judgement. I'd hate to see someone wrongfully accused of something, no matter how big a numbnuts they were.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

Vague-borderline-maybe cartoon pedophilia and horrible writing aside, I fail to see any real evidence of this man being that much of an asshole. At least, not quite on a Schwartz-esque scale. I never saw any dumbass "character guidelines" on his site, nor have I seen any irrational attempts to maintain a clean or even normal appearance.

So Hirtes, what did the guy exactly DO to you? I mean, sure, he's probably a prick but I really don't see any evidence of him going above and beyond the call of average furry prick-ness.

Rankin · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 727

...Hirtes, what did the guy exactly DO to you? I mean, sure, he's probably a prick but I really don't see any evidence of him going above and beyond the call of average furry prick-ness.

Wait, wait, wait... hold the phone. You're asking Hirtes for a reason to dislike someone? This surely is more of your candid wit, right, Compy? ;)

Shmeckopolis · Prattler Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 140

Wow. This thread's just a cavalcade of pages of drawings of fuckdupadness. Not the usual porno stuff, but "hey, he's got deep issues, lookit 'im, heheheh" links. Whether this guy did anything or not, I'd still like to see him put away for my own amusement. And I want a monthly prison update where he cries over the tortures of the hy00man prison.

And that unplacable, mach-ancient dialogue from the "attack of the promiscuous toddler" comic just cracks me up. Makes me wanna speak it just for shits n' giggles....

Now if thou will be to excuse me, I be must go to some placeth and seeing thou later.

Heheheheheh....

viron · Rasophore Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 52

Wow. This thread's just a cavalcade of pages of drawings of fuckdupadness. Not the usual porno stuff, but "hey, he's got deep issues, lookit 'im, heheheh" links. Whether this guy did anything or not, I'd still like to see him put away for my own amusement. And I want a monthly prison update where he cries over the tortures of the hy00man prison.

I am under the impression Paul Kidd is just an art/story fancier, not a lifestyler or furry fag or whatever it is you guys call spiritual type furries who want to be animals. To my knowledge he's never done drama-whoring in online furry communities.. in fact i dont' ever recall him ever participating in any type of furry internet forum. He's never made any indication he has a fursona or anything stupid that furries usually do like that. As far as I know he's just a pervert who likes cartoon women. Other than writing up stories about furry character sexual escapades, which is nothing incredible, as far as i know he's done nothing that retardo furries are usually guilty of. Like computolio said, i also haven't seen much if any evidence at all of him being a huge furry twinkie, so what's the deal? I mean gosh, didn't he write Tank Vixens which was basically a satirical furryfans.com-esque treatment of the fandom? If he's innocent he'll still be cool in my book. If not, oh well, let him burn in hell.

Kadius · Venter Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 254

I'm just wondering if pedo furry art would be counted as evidence.

Heh, just a thought.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

...Hirtes, what did the guy exactly DO to you? I mean, sure, he's probably a prick but I really don't see any evidence of him going above and beyond the call of average furry prick-ness.

Wait, wait, wait... hold the phone. You're asking Hirtes for a reason to dislike someone? This surely is more of your candid wit, right, Compy? ;)

It's very simple really. After years of Paul acting like he's your friend, you discover later on that he's been dissing you behind your back and being just as much of a dick as most of the others in furrydumb have been.

There. Long story made mercifully short.

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 762

...Hirtes, what did the guy exactly DO to you? I mean, sure, he's probably a prick but I really don't see any evidence of him going above and beyond the call of average furry prick-ness.

Wait, wait, wait... hold the phone. You're asking Hirtes for a reason to dislike someone? This surely is more of your candid wit, right, Compy? ;)

It's very simple really. After years of Paul acting like he's your friend, you discover later on that he's been dissing you behind your back and being just as much of a dick as most of the others in furrydumb have been.

There. Long story made mercifully short.

A SPOONFUL OF GAY!!!!!!

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

And that unplacable, mach-ancient dialogue from the "attack of the promiscuous toddler" comic just cracks me up. Makes me wanna speak it just for shits n' giggles....

Now if thou will be to excuse me, I be must go to some placeth and seeing thou later.

Heheheheheh....

It's not just that it's mock-ancient, but that it's cutsey, too. It's like Barney and The Wiggles at a Renaissance faire. So it'd come out something like

"Now, if forumfriends will be to excuse Shmeckopolissy, Shmeckopolissy must go walkies to some placeth and have dinnernummynums and will be peekypeekyseeing forumfriends later."

It's like someone dressed Jar Jar Binks up as Henry VIII.

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

Of course, Paul Kidd doesn't deserve prosecution and imprisonment unless he actually did something illegal and damaging. But he does deserve to be on the receiving end of something mildly unpleasant simply for making up "happywriggles" as a euphemism for sexual intercourse and letting an underage character say it. I repeat: BLARGH.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

Of course, Paul Kidd doesn't deserve prosecution and imprisonment unless he actually did something illegal and damaging. But he does deserve to be on the receiving end of something mildly unpleasant simply for making up "happywriggles" as a euphemism for sexual intercourse and letting an underage character say it. I repeat: BLARGH.

Yeah that page was really horrifying but I still don't want to condemn him until I know the truth.

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 762

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"Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest." wrote:
>
> >From: "unidyne" unidyne@cox.net
>
> >Not from what I've heard.
> >He had taken a photo of one of his kids in the tub, someone from the
> >photolab called the cops (erroniously presuming kiddie porn).
> >
> >If anyone has any details, please let me know!
>
> Which essentially brings us back to where we started these threads. As someone
> who participated in them, myself, I think our collective information on the
> matter has been mined of all it's usefulness and relevancy, and anything more
> is now entirely (instead of partially) speculation.
>
> If anyone gets something more that is solid and they care to share, I'm sure
> we'll all be waiting; until then, I think the person who posted the original
> query can be assured we've given all we have for now.
>
From my sources, while he may have attracted the attention of
authorities for something fairly harmless, it opened the investigation
that went fishing via searches of his home and computers, including
those of which he had no oversight, and didn't stop until it found
something, anything, to build a case on. The impression is that it was
no "worse" than anything that anyone may have peeked at on line (and
didn't include actual kiddy porn), but since there were naughty images
under his roof, he was charged and convicted of some sort of pornography
crime. Sentencing and appeals to come.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

This latest sack of blather comes courtesy of the Paul Kidd
Yahoo Group (how did I get a hold of this message?
Wouldn't they like to know. Hee Hee Hee!):

From: "Robert Deighton" <crobd@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 9, 2004 9:49 am
Subject: Re: Breaking New!

--- In FangsOfKaath@yahoogroups.com, "E.S.S. GRAPHICS" <essgps@s...>
wrote:
> >Just saw a post about Paul on alt.fan.furry. Seems that Paul may
be
> >in a bit of legal trouble with the Australian Gov. I haven't
found
> >any independent confirmation of the news yet, but the sources are
good.
> >
> >As fans of his work I think we should all try and support him in
any
> >way we can. I've no idea what we could do at this point other
than
> >sending him emails of encouragement. If anyone finds out more
please
> >post.
> >
> >We're here for ya Paul!
>
> "Furry-dislike" site Crushyiffdestroy.com has a thread on this:
>
> http://crushyiffdestroy.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?
t=445&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Heyas,

Heard the scurrilous rumour about the Kiddmeister (especially that
on crushyiffdestroy.com)- If people're accusing Paul of being a
paedophile because of Itbit mentioning 'happywriggles' to Raschid,
why has no-one done the same to Kenichi Sonoda, and his Minnie-May
Hopkins character in the "Gunsmith Cats" anime (she being a brothel-
worker from a young age, before she met Rally Vincent & joining her
in her eponymous gunshop)? It's clear Paul's accusers are
reminiscent of the Muslims (here in the UK) who flew in a rage
because of 'things' that 'offended' them in Salman
Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" several years ago. Almost ALL to a man
had never even read said tome (it's almost like the screenplay for
an episode of "Twilight Zone" or "Outer Limits"), but was due
to 'others' telling them it was offensive to Islam (my doctor who is
Muslim has read it, and said there wasn't anything remotely
offensive, and found it intriguing, almost sci-fi-esque; that's what
comes from being educated & having a mind of one's own). If they'd
read "Fangs of K'aath", they'd realise Itbit was asking Raschid if
he'd been having 'happywriggles' with Sandhri. But then it's obvious
they haven't even SEEN a copy of this book, let alone READ it!! The
only conclusion is that those on CYD are uneducated neanderthals who
believe what's told to them in whatever way (like those Muslims
& "Satanic Verses"), they don't examine the facts for themselves &
blindly follow & add to this gossip (which, when spread, is a
disease worse than AIDS IMO), ergo they are inferior subhumans & not
the enlightened types like you & I (and believe me, I'd LOVE to see
genuine paedophiles tortured to death, using methods that'd make a
Cenobite die of terror!!)

That's my 20p's wort on the matter.

Cheers,

Rob.

PS- unlike these CYD types, I've met Paulie twice during furry
gatherings here in the UK, and he's one of the most decent chaps
I've met - and certainly someone that completely destroys the Aussie
stereotype.

What is the "Aussie stereotype", anyway?

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

From: "Robert Deighton"
Heard the scurrilous rumour about the Kiddmeister (especially that
on crushyiffdestroy.com)- If people're accusing Paul of being a
paedophile because of Itbit mentioning 'happywriggles' to Raschid,

Actually, I've seen a lot of speculation here, but no one flat-out accusing him of being a pedophile (interesing that the pic on the "notorious page" has been pulled from FN). The overall sentiment I see here is that it wouldn't surprise anyone in the least. No one seems to really be calling for Kidd to be burned at the stake.. rather, a few have voiced their hesitation to draw any conclusions on specious data. That doesn't stop some of us from at least experiencing glee at the idea of furry getting yet another black eye in the public view... but I don't think anyone here would want to see a guy jailed simply for taking pictures of his kids in the tub or on the sole count of a child harem girl that talks like Jar-Jar Binks.

that's what comes from being educated & having a mind of one's own).

If it means becoming a furry yes-man that insists furry is as pure as the driven snow despite all of the fruits and nuts, I'll stay "unenlightened."

If they'd read "Fangs of K'aath", they'd realise Itbit was asking Raschid if he'd been having 'happywriggles' with Sandhri. But then it's obvious they haven't even SEEN a copy of this book, let alone READ it!!

Lesse.. an underaged mouse talking about wanting to be in a harem so she could carb out all day and fuck all night. Yeah... the subtleties there multi-faceted and elusive to those not in touch with our inner sea cucumber. On top of which, I dunno about anyone else, but if I'm going to take the time to enjoy a book, I'd prefer to read something that doesn't involve words like "happywriggles"... you know.. something good.

The only conclusion is that those on CYD are uneducated neanderthals who believe what's told to them in whatever way (like those Muslims & "Satanic Verses"), they don't examine the facts for themselves & blindly follow & add to this gossip (which, when spread, is a disease worse than AIDS IMO), ergo they are inferior subhumans & not the enlightened types like you & I (and believe me, I'd LOVE to see genuine paedophiles tortured to death, using methods that'd make a Cenobite die of terror!!)

CYD I5 T3H ST00P1D! FURR13 15 G00D! FURR13 15 PUR3! FURR13 15 N0T @B0UT T3H S3XX0RZ!!! Uneducated.. inferior.. unenlightened.. you're right. Let me go find a Meeko plushie with an SPH and use it as a zafu to attain satori so that I, too, may understand the intellectual intricacies of "happywriggles."

Of course, one could argue that in the time period the comic is set in, Itbit wouldn't have been considered underage.... depending on whatever her age is supposed to be. (Or is it a him... hard to tell with Terrie Smith's work.. most of her females look like gaybois without a dick.) Still, if it's the kind of thing that can be called into question under Australian law, it was a bad idea to begin with. Sonoda is not as likely to be called into question since that stuff is, I believe, allowed in Japan (at least in hentai and such.. not actual photographic depictions).

Of course, even if Kidd had asserted some kind of disclaimer with the comic/book that the nature of Itbit's age is related to the values of the time the story is set in, it wouldn't have necessarily made it okay under modern laws concerning such works, nor would it have negated the fact that it appears to be very painful to read..... I stand by my Jar-Jar Binks in Henry VIII garb... but maybe with some Barney thrown in.

PS- unlike these CYD types, I've met Paulie twice during furry
gatherings here in the UK, and he's one of the most decent chaps
I've met - and certainly someone that completely destroys the Aussie
stereotype.

What's funny is I've always seen the Aussie stereotype to be laid-back and overly friendly, if a tad rough around the edges. So, he destroys the stereotype of someone that's nice to a fault?

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

Can someone just fucking post the rest of the comic somewhere? I'm sure someone from the 8===SIBE KREW===D has scanned it in at some point.

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

What cowards.

They start smashing CYD, then they set memberships for moderator approval only.

In other words, they want their little place to scheme against the outside world. Insulting everyone around them with impunity.

Of course, I'm only saying what they say about us, I mean after all, it should go both ways.

Oh, and thanks for comparing CYD with radical Islam, you nutters.

Why is it whenever someone states an opinion about your phurraies, you immediately resort to cries of racisim and persecution, when there is nothing of the kind being stated?

My god, I hate to see these adult children deal with ACTUAL REAL-LIFE problems.

Shmeckopolis · Prattler Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 140

Aside from what ZenZhu stated (he tends to rip the words from my mouth, but more articulate), I find it amazing that the act of twisting one's body like a worm can be seen as a sign of affection AND can feel the emotion of happiness! Gotta love 'dem rediculous fur-terms. That word keeps giving the the image of some douche-bag writhing and flopping their body around with a big grin, yelling "happywrigles! Happywrigles!" It's a funny image, though.

And if those freaks are pure, then damn, being impure and tainted kicks many amounts of ass. They can keep their inner wolves, skunks, and foxes, I like my inner animal better. It goes by the genus "homo sapien". So while they're licking themselves, making animal noises, and combining words that don't go together to make "cutesy" terms, I get the abilty to use logic, and that whole "ruling the world" thing thrown in. Yeah yeah, you're a "noble" wolf. Hey, look, I'm hungry and I've got a gun!

Truth is, furries don't like animals for the animals, they like the animals for their symbolism, or the cartoon characters based off them, but mostly the symbolism (hence the overflow of foxes and wolves). They don't realise wolves are NOT noble or "proud"--they lick their asses and fall for the same stupid shit as any other dog.

However, if honesty was factored into the choice of animal personas for furries, there'd be an influx of pigs, turtles, dung beatles, and Platipi (Platipuses, whatever). And oddly enough, just as many skunks (though for a different reason).

Honesty's fun! =)

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Another one is lions. Furries use them for their symbolism of courage, strength, etc... and because they can copy the Lion King style really easily. In truth, lions are inbred and the males to very little besides lie around, clobber another male on occasion, and screw their cousins. They're like the rednecks of the savanna.

The very things they like the animals for is all of the attributes humans have characterized the animal with. Some of the furries may be more up on the realities of a certain animal's behavior and all, but few of them. In all, animals have it a lot tougher than we do. But, their life looks a lot easier to human eyes. Mainly, they seem to have no cares about responsibilities such as house payments, employment, etc. I think, in a way, it's this perceived freedom from responsibility that holds such an allure to furries. It's small wonder it is increasing in its appeal to teens, as the life of an animal/furry is a fantasy about escaping all of the cares and worries that weigh down on any teen as they mature.

Of course, animals are not free from responsibility. Whereas we may face reprocussions like arguments, having to go without that CD we really wanted, a scolding from our boss, or other things, animals typically pay the price for their responsibilities with their lives.

The furry perception of the animal world is idealized and humanized, and far from the reality. Of course, many of these folks are not too in tune with reality to begin with. But, if you remove the characteristics that humans imbue animals with, you really have nothing left that holds any appeal to furries.

As much as they'd like to shed their human skin, run with the pack, and think about a world without icky hy00mans, without humans.... there'd be no furrydom.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Very true, sure the fantasy image of an animal is doing whatever you want without any consiqences and no responsbilities, but in reality, nature is brutal, just ask anyone that's ever seen their cat kill a mouse, bird or rabbit mercilously (or a fox go after their dog or cat). Animals are bullies, always picking on others smaller then them and not just picking on them, more like attacking and even killing them. Nature is brutal, the ultimate example of only the strongest survive.

What's even more is that, from my observations (so this next part of post is admitently more observation and opinion) most furries have led very privleged lives rife with opportunity, tons of material things etc (why is this btw? Why does it seem like a lot of these people come from upper middle class to upper class families?). A lot of them also seem to have no idea how lucky they are. I just can't imagine any of them actually wanting to be an animal let alone living as one. I mean, if they just stay on the so called straight and narrow (er is that how that saying goes?) then they have very promicing lives, so I just don't get how they would ever want to throw it all away to run into the wild and be an animal.

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

Lesse.. an underaged mouse talking about wanting to be in a harem so she could carb out all day and fuck all night. Yeah... the subtleties there multi-faceted and elusive to those not in touch with our inner sea cucumber. On top of which, I dunno about anyone else, but if I'm going to take the time to enjoy a book, I'd prefer to read something that doesn't involve words like "happywriggles"... you know.. something good.

I dunno, I read that page again, and if you read it, there is no sex occuring (or going to occur) between the characters. I think the dialect written into it is stupid...but outside of that , I fail to see the problem. I dont think anyone here has read Fangs of Ka'ath so techinically this guy is right...

Like I said before I was going to get but never did...and I probably still will at some point.

What cowards.

They start smashing CYD, then they set memberships for moderator approval only.

And, actually most yahoo groups are like this. I joined Moldy Marvin's Rat Fink e-group a while ago and he wants to talk to you through email before your even approved, so its not unusual.

A lot of people join Yahoo groups just to spam.

Shmeckopolis · Prattler Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 140

There's 2 hilarious ironies here. One is that for a group of people who think humans are inferior, it's the images created by humans that they idolize. I see it like a whiny, angsty teenager who hates their parents, regardless of the fact that they owe basically everything to them.

The other is that most furries are those kids who got picked on alot in school, and yet they wanna be part of a world where bullying is prevalent, and taken to the next level. Like if the bully at school who picks on you for, let's say, being fat, had permission to kill you. Yeah, furry douche-bags, big step up...

I love being a "mundane".

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

I dunno, I read that page again, and if you read it, there is no sex occuring (or going to occur) between the characters. I think the dialect written into it is stupid...but outside of that , I fail to see the problem. I dont think anyone here has read Fangs of Ka'ath so techinically this guy is right...

Not in the immediate future, but it reads like Itbit wants to join the guy's harem. So.. cha-ching... carb all day, fuck all night. Maybe I just couldn't decipher the pseudo-ancient Jar-Jar talk, but it looks pretty much like she's setting herself up to be his fucktoy. But there is that language barrier to contend with, since I don't speak or read furry English.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

From Donna Barr's blog:

I don't have all the details, but I'll be getting them: Paul Kidd (the writer of the game LACE AND STEEL, which I illustrated) is an Australian. His wife photographed their kids in the bath. the developer turned them in. (And again, I need to get details): when Paul attempted to explain drawings seized in his home, clarifying their details as being part of drawings done in a fandom, the prosecutor said that fandom as a group did not exist, that it was a lie.

And also this (emphasis mine):

Paul Kidd is what we used to call a Furry Artists. These people have, in the past, driven me out of my head. I mostly don't think much of their art. So what? My opinion of what they do, or my personal likes or dislikes, is not important. Just because Paul Kidd is part of this fandom is not an excuse to use what he puts on paper as evidence to convict him for child abuse, regardless of content, irregardless of how the content is intended or interpreted.

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 762

And also this (emphasis mine):

Paul Kidd is what we used to call a Furry Artists. These people have, in the past, driven me out of my head. I mostly don't think much of their art. So what? My opinion of what they do, or my personal likes or dislikes, is not important. Just because Paul Kidd is part of this fandom is not an excuse to use what he puts on paper as evidence to convict him for child abuse, regardless of content, irregardless of how the content is intended or interpreted.

Awwww. No Lynching today.

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

Just because Paul Kidd is part of this fandom is not an excuse to use what he puts on paper as evidence to convict him for child abuse, regardless of content, irregardless of how the content is intended or interpreted.

Kidd won't be prosecuted because he's part of the furry fandom; the prosecutor probably doesn't give a hoot about that. But maybe that's not what Barr meant, maybe it's just bad phrasing?

And no, what people write or draw should not get them convicted of child abuse, but it might get them convicted of producing child pornography, depending on how the laws of the land define pornography.

Personally, I'm inclined to agree with Barr, though: Drawings or text, however twisted, should not be enough to put people behind bars; they need to have actually hurt someone to deserve that.

Sandstar1 · Recusant Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 4

Yeah, but the problem with that is that, quite often, drawings and writing about isn't enough to satisfy the person anymore, and they have to escalate to doing it. However, I'm not saying that we have to persecute people who just have drawings and writings, but they might bare keeping an eye on.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

I don't have all the details, but I'll be getting them: Paul Kidd (the writer of the game LACE AND STEEL, which I illustrated) is an Australian. His wife photographed their kids in the bath. the developer turned them in. (And again, I need to get details): when Paul attempted to explain drawings seized in his home, clarifying their details as being part of drawings done in a fandom, the prosecutor said that fandom as a group did not exist, that it was a lie.

Well, if he wanted to prove to them furry existed, he could just take them online and show them what a sterling, upstanding group of people furries are by surfing the cops through some of their websites.

I have to concur with the notion that just because someone drew a preteen harem girl doesn't necessarily imply they want to find some 11-year old piece of ass. Likewise, however, people that do commit abuse crimes such as molestation start with stories and drawings, then actual porn, then often move to something like animals, and on to kids.

Still, in this case, it sounds like Kidd created an inane piece of drek that was a dumb thing to do under the laws of his country in the first place, and is now suffering for his lack of foresight.

While we might know that taking pictures of your kids in the bathtub and multiple copies of Genus and such might have no real relation, to the eyes of someone in law enforcement.... it looks pretty dim. Hopefully he won't bear the brunt of undeserved punishment.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

The latest word. This time from Paul himself who finally comes out of hiding long enough to get a message passed along to all of the happywrigglers at his Yahoo Group.

Again, I have my ways. :

Subject: Re: Is this True?
Date: 6/8/2004 7:18:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: paul@p...
Reply To:
To: Armyworm2@a...

Hi hi.

Yeah - the AFF stuff is confusing to me, since none of them have ever
been spoken to, so they're making up all sorts of things for
themselves. But there is no problem with my work, with my books, with
tank vixens or with websites, copyrights or anything else i've ever
created.

Do keep it to yourself - don't put it up on bulletin boards yet -
but....
There IS a problem. Literally shattering. It has nothing to do with
my work, but it does cast horrific aspersions on fandom as a whole.
So I've been fighting the good fight for all of us.

- And losing!

I guess the only positive news is that I have not yet committed
suicide. I am standing and fighting for the fandom i love.

I hope to somehow see everyone soon.

Ever yours - ever writing:
Paul

"but it does cast horrific aspersions on fandom as a whole."?

"So I've been fighting the good fight for all of us."?

Is this guy involved with the furry fandom we know all too well, or some furry fandom in an alternate universe where the fans aren't disgusting militant slobs who will hold you hostage in your car if they think you're with some web site they don't like? You know. The alternate universe where Merlino became a war hero in Afghanistan and Digital IMP is listed as a top stock at the NYSE?

What I'd like to know is, if the cops aren't threatening to send Paul off to pound-you-up-the-ass prison over any of his works and it's not over those bathtub photos that started this hilarity, just what do they have on the guy? Like I've said, there' seems to be some details that Paul's not revealing to his minions, probably because furrydumb's all he's got left on his side.

Oh, and that comment about not committing suicide yet has got to be the most cheesy & thinly-disguised act of pity-solicitation that would make an angsty-laden teengrrl's DA site look sane and cheery. Paul Kidd thinks he's being nailed to the cross for all of furry fandumb's sins. Whatta drama queen!

Having Paul Kidd fighting for furry fandom is like having Michael Jackson speaking out against child abuse or David Koresh talking about fire safety.

Paul? I know that you're gonna read this (your goons will make sure of it), so let me say this to you. Give up on trying to be the social champion of furry fandom, OK? You've got a large enough assload of trouble to deal with just in keeping your own self out of trouble.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Yeah - the AFF stuff is confusing to me, since none of them have ever
been spoken to, so they're making up all sorts of things for
themselves. But there is no problem with my work, with my books, with
tank vixens or with websites, copyrights or anything else i've ever
created.

Do keep it to yourself - don't put it up on bulletin boards yet -
but....
There IS a problem. Literally shattering. It has nothing to do with
my work, but it does cast horrific aspersions on fandom as a whole.
So I've been fighting the good fight for all of us.

What I'd like to know is, if the cops aren't threatening to send Paul off to pound-you-up-the-ass prison over any of his works and it's not over those bathtub photos that started this hilarity, just what do they have on the guy? Like I've said, there' seems to be some details that Paul's not revealing to his minions, probably because furrydumb's all he's got left on his side.

This is a question that popped into my mind early on when the reports and rumors started flying. If the issue with the kids in the bathtub is easily dismissed, and if the Fangs of Ka'rap business with Itbit wanting to be a carb-crunching fucktoy was taken "out of context," then WHY is there a persistent problem in the first place.

Of course, at this point, it's all speculation, but let's face it... most of folks that have stepped up the freak factor in furrydom enough to make a name for themselves, such as Kidd... do not usually keep their interests isolated to furry art. If you've got someone that collects a lot of "cub art," you can't immediately assume he's likely to have a stash of kiddie porn on his hard drive............. but it's hideously unsurprising to discover he does.

His text, however, does say that whatever the issue is casts "hideous aspersions" on furrydom. It doesn't necessarily state that whatever it is will have any direct impact on him. This is furry drama we're talking about, too... so the fact-to-bullshit ratio on these "hideous aspersions" could be pretty high. It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact this does have on furrydom, if truly any.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

Remember Donna Barr's words:

(And again, I need to get details): when Paul attempted to explain drawings seized in his home, clarifying their details as being part of drawings done in a fandom, the prosecutor said that fandom as a group did not exist, that it was a lie.

That kind of backs up what Mikey posted there. Also check out this link on Australia's censorship laws. It is entirely possible that whatever has got Paul Kidd in trouble is something that would be of no signifcance legal-wise in the US or the UK.

Also Googled (from a page about Aussie law):

The law says that any depiction of a child under the age of 16 that 'offends a reasonable adult' is child pornography and must be banned.

"Reasonable adult" in this connexion probably meaning "uptight stickybeak Christian closet case".

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Eeeeeeenteresting. Kudos for recalling that tidbit. So maybe what would be considered fairly standard in the eyes of furry freaks and those who know about what freaks many furries are.... though relatively harmless ones..... is going to be construed as something else entirely indicative of Paul's mental state and.... "hobbies?" Perhaps the judge, who does not believe in the concept of furry fandom, is going to assume foxes in bondage gear is the product of an imagination more seriously disturbed than it really is? Will the judge consider stuff like Tank Vixens to be a smoking gun, even if Paul merely picked the gun up up, but didn't fire the shot?

Hmm... I hate to add to his martyr complex, but if this is the case, does this mean Paul may be punished for the sins of furrydom, since the judge does not believe this "furrydom" really exists? If so, will Paul attempt to save his skin by educating the judge by pointing him to VCL, Furnation, and sites for plushies, Tim O'Rourke and all? If so, what might this do as the media, on whatever scale.. large to small... catches wind of furrydom and whatever nefarios ties are made to it in the courtroom?

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

Eeeeeeenteresting. Kudos for recalling that tidbit. So maybe what would be considered fairly standard in the eyes of furry freaks and those who know about what freaks many furries are.... though relatively harmless ones..... is going to be construed as something else entirely indicative of Paul's mental state and.... "hobbies?"

I meant that it might be something that even US/UK legal types or the "man in the street" would consider insignificant (if kinky and/or puzzling), not just us. Bear in mind that from what I hear (and you can Google) Australia's censorship laws are in some cases pretty draconian and their legislature has a high percentage of bugfuck rightwing Xtian fundies.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Yeah. After looking through that article you linked, it became more apparent that these "horrible" implications on furrydom may be limited in scope to Australia.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Australia's censorship laws are in some cases pretty draconian and their legislature has a high percentage of bugfuck rightwing Xtian fundies.

Could be worse. The place could be run by furries.

And before you know it, Australia would turn into a post-nuclear wasteland, with gangs of fursuit-wearing bandits driving their methane-powered vehicles across the scorched earth looking for any remaining lifeforms to yiff.

Kadius · Venter Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 254

There IS a problem. Literally shattering. It has nothing to do with
my work, but it does cast horrific aspersions on fandom as a whole.

You know, from what Paul Kidd is saying. It sounds as if he's gotten in trouble for just what everyone though. Pedophile-esque pictures/drawings. From his wording, it could go two ways: Something someone else did/drew, or two; something he had drawn for him by someone else.

Which brings me back to my previous question from this thread: Could he be in trouble over artwork of an underage furry?

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

I meant that it might be something that even US/UK legal types or the "man in the street" would consider insignificant (if kinky and/or puzzling), not just us. Bear in mind that from what I hear (and you can Google) Australia's censorship laws are in some cases pretty draconian and their legislature has a high percentage of bugfuck rightwing Xtian fundies.

That sounds about right. I'm gonna have to side with Kidd on this one, even though he's playing the Fursecution Card for all it's worth (at least it almost makes sense in this context). I mean think about it- apparently typical kids-in-bathtub lead, cops randomly decide to see if there's a chance to nail a child molestor, they eventually raid his home and OMFG CARTOON PORN HOLY SHIT WE'VE GOT THE BIGGEST PREVERT THIS SIDE OF PEWEE HERMAN HERE.

The end result is the kind of scenario the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund encounters in some Texas shithole on a regular basis, only this time it's in Australia and this time a furry is involved. That's pretty much all that makes this case out of the ordinary for me.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Although, for all we know, it could be non-cartoon, non-furry stuff he's in hot water for. We can't say that he may have stuff regulated by the Australian government... like pictures of 13 year old Korean prostitutes or something.... but it may be something like that. We'll just have to wait and see as details unfold.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Latest post as seen at AFF:

From: joestrike422@hotmail.com (That wascally miscweant Joe Strike)
Subject: Paul Kidd found guilty - needs character reference letters
Date: 21 Jun 2004 20:59:00 -0700
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Message-ID: <972e8999.0406211959.761f97e5@posting.google.com>

I just spoke with Marc Schirmeister who tells me Paul has been found
guilty of the child porn charges he was hit with. Marc says Paul is in
desperate need of character reference letters ("To Whom It May
Concern") testifying to his upright moral character & basic decency
for an appeal he's putting together. I've only spoken with him once or
twice on the phone, so there's nothing much I can say, but anyone who
knows him personally should sit down & compose something in his favor
that he can submit.

Marc didn't have contact info for me, but I dug up the following on an
old (1996!) aff post:

PO box 965 Eltham Victoria 3095 AUSTRALIA, or via e-mail at
<furball@netspace.net.au>

I have no idea whether it's still good or completely out of date.
Anybody who can confirm or update this info please do so. Being
laughed at because of CSI or MTV is one thing; Paul Kidd winding up in
jail because he's got furry art (hardcore or otherwise) on his
computer is a tragedy.

PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kadius · Venter Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 254

Score one for the CYD crew, wonder what those ass kissing morons on AFF have to say now?

Indeed, PWN'D

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

You know, it looks like he's stuck furry shit on his wall. That's something so profoundly retarded that he probably deserves whatever he's getting for that alone.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

Woah. Through the whole thing I kept bouncing back and forth on the issue, not sure to believe. I think I have a clear picture now... uh, I think.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 81

Indeed, PWN'D

So.... does this also mean that Terrie Smith now officially draws kiddy porn...? (Caveat on the material in question, of course.)

Spent a while searching the Court listings trying to find a link to the prosecution details. No luck. Anyone know exactly when and where?

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

Indeed, PWN'D

So.... does this also mean that Terrie Smith now officially draws kiddy porn...? (Caveat on the material in question, of course.)

Actually, judging by a post Captain Chipmunk just made to A.F.F (not on google yet) It seems that it was actually some sort of child porn, that supposedly someone else had downloaded to his computer. It seems it might not have had anything to do with 'furry art' of any kind at all.

As for the computer, that was a gift from a friend, of Paul's. Trouble was,
the friend, was the person who was into child porn. Seems that whenever the
person would visit Paul and his family, he would ask to use the computer and
he would download the kiddie porn. The person was slick, use a friend's
computer to get the porn, that way if anyone traced it, they were in the
clear and your 'friend' would take the heat. Kind of a sick friend, but
Micheal Hirtes should know all about that.

Which, even if that's true (and its just as likely as it is unlikely) its impossible to prove. I think Kidd is definatly fucked, even if he is completely innocent.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

I thought I'd quote Captain Chipmunk's a.f.f. post in full since it appears to offer some actual facts at last.

Subject: Paul Kidd's arrest and conviction
From: Captain Chipmunk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry

I am new to this newsgroup thing, but after reading the bilge that has
spilled from Micheal Hirtes mouth, I have to step in and fill in a few gaps.

First off. Yes, it is true that Paul Kidd was arrested and convicted of, so
called, "Child Porn." If having photos of you kids naked, engaged in
everyday activites, like running through lawn sprinklers, taking a bath,
playing in a swimming pool, or just running through the house; then I
seriously suggest that all of you with kids, go through your family photo
albums and destroy those precious, irreplaceable photos, that have your kids
laughing, playing and running around without the protection of clothes on.
Otherwise you too can be charged and convicted on 'Child Porn.'

As for the computer, that was a gift from a friend, of Paul's. Trouble was,
the friend, was the person who was into child porn. Seems that whenever the
person would visit Paul and his family, he would ask to use the computer and
he would download the kiddie porn. The person was slick, use a friend's
computer to get the porn, that way if anyone traced it, they were in the
clear and your 'friend' would take the heat. Kind of a sick friend, but
Micheal Hirtes should know all about that.

There is hope for an appeal of the conviction, but Paul will need $50,000 to
file it.

As for how do I know all of this, I am a good friend of Paul and his family.
I have know Paul for over 15 years and a nicer guy you will not meet. I
seriously doubt that he would have put at risk his family for kiddie porn,
when I know what Paul and his wife to had to go through and how long they
took to have their kids.

Here is the info if you want to write a letter to assist Paul Kidd.

Send a rough draft to this e-mail:

ian@purehubris.com

Send the finish letter to this address.

PAUL KIDD
10 WATERSIDE RETREAT
WILSON PERTH WA6107
AUSTRALIA

Even if you can't write a letter of reference to personal character, you
could write him and wish him the best and even contribute to his appeal. I
know he will enjoy hearing from you.

This warning to all of you would collect japanese anime too. There is a lot
of what is considered "kiddie porn" within it, if you get overexhuberant
police, prosecutors and judges involved. You too could be joining Paul
Kidd.

Like one other person mentioned, "What is on your computer, Mike?"

Capt Chipmunk

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Subject: Paul Kidd's arrest and conviction
From: Captain Chipmunk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry

I am new to this newsgroup thing, but after reading the bilge that has
spilled from Micheal Hirtes mouth, I have to step in and fill in a few gaps.

LOL! Bilge. Bile. Hirtes has plenty of both it seems. "Come on down to Mike's Bilge Outlet. We have bilge, Bilge, BILGE! Free balloons and hot dogs all Saturday. And while you're here, stop by and visit the newly-remodeled Bile R Us. Hope to see you there."

Still, I'm not the one who's heading to "da Big House".

Too bad Paul's one of those rare furries who isn't a rampant faggot. I could see a guy like Lance Rund or Merlino having a blast in prison.

Shmeckopolis · Prattler Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 140

Too bad Paul's one of those rare furries who isn't a rampant faggot. I could see a guy like Lance Rund or Merlino having a blast in prison.

Similar to the Buddy Cole In Prison sketch from the Kids In The Hall

"My cellmate have a little game we play. I pretend that he rapes me, and he rapes me."

But seriously, the Cap'n's remarks were a laugh a minute. Dunno which makes me laugh more, the excuses aplenty, or the constant jabs at Hirtes that were akin to a spitefull, 12-year-old girl who didn't get that pink tote bag they wanted.

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

But seriously, the Cap'n's remarks were a laugh a minute. Dunno which makes me laugh more, the excuses aplenty, or the constant jabs at Hirtes that were akin to a spitefull, 12-year-old girl who didn't get that pink tote bag they wanted.

Well 'Captain Chipmunk' shouldn't be anyone's first choice as a character witness when you are trying to appeal the sort of heavy-duty conviction Paul Kidd has.

IIRC, he is Al Fishbeck, 'the other guy' with Quozl who was harrassing Babs Bunny voice actress, Tress MacNeill (sp?)

You can check Computolio's "Terror From The Year 1994" article though, Im pretty sure he is mentioned in there.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Behold the latest act of chest-beating from the AFFholes. This one can't decide if she wants to have me framed or have me wacked. LOL!

This is my reply to that brave little coward:

In article <4ArCc.97745$Sw.85993@attbi_s51>,
"Tashta" <tashta@comcast.net> wrote:

> Okay, calling kids larvae and your nasty words toward Paul treatment of his
> children...that's just too much.Yes you pushed buttons. Shall I start
> mentioning your mother, Michael and what you enjoyed with her?
>
> You live where was it? Council Bluff's, Iowa?
>
> If I were you, I'd start cleaning out my computers NOW. You DO know that
> it's very *very* difficult to clean stuff like that from your computer,
> right? I've spoken to a few hackers that just grin about it. "Nothing
> disappears" is what they told me...

You don't need to clean out what you never got in the first place, you
nasty little shit.

You make me laugh! Somehow you seem to think you know more about what's
on my computer than I do? Do you have some sort of hack into my system
right now? Can you see me laughing at you as I type this?

Guess what Dearie? I hardly even USE my computer much anymore! Now that
PS2 has online gaming ability, I only use my comp for email and to drive
you psychotics crazy with the occasional dosage of Reality.

Like I said before, IF you mental cases had ANYTHING on me, we BOTH know
that you would have used it against LONG before now. I'm still here.
You've got JACK. End of story. So stop acting like a pack of
spoiled-rotten third graders going "I'm gonna tell teacher on you!" and
fucking grow up already!

And before you pull any shit, bear in mind that I can also go out and
make mention of places like VCL and Rabbit Valley (to name a few) for
them to browse through. Can you imagine the fucking HOLOCAUST that I
could unleash upon furry fandom if you idiotic retards really want to
take things THAT far? Oh yeah. I'll talk and you KNOW I won't be able to
shut up. Think about that Doomsday Scenario before you send Mulder &
Scully my way.

>
> Oh, and I have a friend that is willing to go to Iowa if anyone want so pay
> for his train/plane ticket...*chuckle*

Sure. Send that buddy over on a coach fare. If he's suicidal enough to
try to attack me, I'll be sure to UPS back what's left of him to you.
(What can Brown do for you? Teach you not to fuck with Hirtes. LOL!)

Now, let's STFU about this "Let's get Hirtes" crap before you do
something that may bite YOU on the ass worse than it may do to mine, and
you'll WISH the only ones paying attention to furrydumb were the
reporters from LOADED.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

New forums catchphrase:

Guess what Dearie? I hardly even USE my computer much anymore! Now that PS2 has online gaming ability

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

New forums catchphrase:

Well, it's true. I got this machine back in early '99 in order to help publish my zine. And when I stopped doing that I mainly used it for online gaming. When the system requirements of the newer games were more than what my machine could handle and the PS2 had started going online, I use that for my online games and only use the old Mac for email, CYD, and laughing at the AFFholes.

Some people just can't afford buying a whole new PC every other year.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

New forums catchphrase:

Well, it's true. I got this machine back in early '99 in order to help publish my zine. And when I stopped doing that I mainly used it for online gaming. When the system requirements of the newer games were more than what my machine could handle and the PS2 had started going online, I use that for my online games and only use the old Mac for email, CYD, and laughing at the AFFholes.

Some people just can't afford buying a whole new PC every other year.

I'm just teasing you.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

New forums catchphrase:

Well, it's true. I got this machine back in early '99 in order to help publish my zine. And when I stopped doing that I mainly used it for online gaming. When the system requirements of the newer games were more than what my machine could handle and the PS2 had started going online, I use that for my online games and only use the old Mac for email, CYD, and laughing at the AFFholes.

Some people just can't afford buying a whole new PC every other year.

I'm just teasing you.

I know you are (if you were tearing me a 2nd one, oh dear Lord I would know it! <g>). I was just explaining it to the AFF loons who come here to "spy on teh enemy". Sometime you have to go over it in fine detail in order for it to finally sink into their thick skulls.

One day, I hope to be finally able to convince them that I don't publish a zine anymore. They only seem to remember just long enough to try to make me feel like a failure because it's no longer being published, and yet they also at the same time try to pretend that I'm still doing a zine whenever they feel the need to accuse me of committing some sort of hypocrisy.

Every time I try to "think" like a furry does, I end up getting the willies and backing out of it quickly. You know the saying "Don't make those faces or it might get stuck that way"? That's what I'm scared of if I try to actually "think" with the same sort of "logic" that a furry would do.

PS: Another forwarded post from Kidd got posted up on AFF, but I decided not to repost it here because it's just more of the same old martyr complex about Paul thinking that he's being crucified for the sins of furry fandumb (but waitasec! I thought it was supposed to be kiddie pix that "Uncle Sticky" downloaded onto Paul's computer. I wish this guy would make up his mind on what alibi he wants). He told his minions to hold off on sending letters attesting to his character. Considerring that the majority of these letters would no doubt be written by loons who would say things like "HOW DARE YOU FURSECUTE MY FAVORITE MOUSIE WRITER!? HOW MUCH IS HIRTES PAYING YOU?? HUH?? HUH???? Signed, Foxyufflieyipsquiggle", it's probably the smartest legal move Paul has made in defense of his case so far.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 208

Accusing someone of pedophilia is very serious so that's why I been kind of walkin' on glass with this issue here. I don't know all the facts, but I do know that he doesn't have a good alibi and that's the most damning thing for his case here. The story changed so much that I KNOW something is not right here, but I'm not sure what.

LaughCo · Recusant Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 13

Subject: Paul Kidd's arrest and conviction
From: Captain Chipmunk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry

I am new to this newsgroup thing, but after reading the bilge that has
spilled from Micheal Hirtes mouth, I have to step in and fill in a few gaps.

Translation: I'm going to jump on the Hirtes bashing bandwagon to score some fanboy points!

I know from experience that Chipmunk is an ass in person and now we have proof his assitude extends online.

As for the computer, that was a gift from a friend, of Paul's. Trouble was,
the friend, was the person who was into child porn. Seems that whenever the
person would visit Paul and his family, he would ask to use the computer and
he would download the kiddie porn. The person was slick, use a friend's
computer to get the porn, that way if anyone traced it, they were in the
clear and your 'friend' would take the heat.

Please. The old 'It wasn't me officer! It was my friend that did it!' excuse. Have you ever watched Cops or any other reality cop show? Criminals caught red-handed usually try the 'friend' excuse.

I find it hard to believe that this 'friend' gave his kiddie porn access point to Kidd. Even if that were true, how did he get his porn stash home after supposedly duping the Kidds into letting him access the internet from their house? It's extremely unlikely that any kiddie porn addict is going to go through all the effort to cover his tracks and not take his stash home.

Now, if I'm completely wrong and the 'friend' did in fact mastermind this Machiavellian frame up, why is there no information on this 'friend' being investigated by the police? Any competent prosecutor would have this hot lead checked out.

There is hope for an appeal of the conviction, but Paul will need $50,000 to
file it

I smell a donate money to Paul Kidd scam brewing...

I have know Paul for over 15 years and a nicer guy you will not meet. I
seriously doubt that he would have put at risk his family for kiddie porn

How many times do people get convicted of heinous stuff only to have their friends and family say "He was always a nice guy. We never suspected he could be capable of anything like this."? Nice guy or not, Kidd was convicted based on evidence. Unless additional evidence can be obtained to verify his 'friend' defense, personal doubts and opinions equal squat.

Even if you can't write a letter of reference to personal character, you
could write him and wish him the best and even contribute to his appeal

I was right, here's the donate money pitch.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

The whole thing sounds weak. Now, I definitely would not want to see a man imprisoned because of something he is innocent of. However, his story really doesn't hold up. It's too much like the aforementioned "it wasn't me officer.. I let my friend use this car... he must have stashed to pot in the glove compartment."

Again, I want to stress that if he is innocent, I'd hate to see anything happen to him. On the other hand, it's not uncommon for someone that draws/writes certain subjects (pedo stuff, zoo stuff, etc.) to have more than a passing interest in them. So, for someone to create this whole Itbit fantasy, it would come as no surprise if they really did have genuine child pornography (not just pictures of their kids playing in the back yard sprinkler, but actual porn designed to arouse or depict sexual activity) in their possession.

If the story is true, he'll probably need to produce the "friend" in question, which will likely be hard... assuming this person exists... since they'd have to confess their crime to clear him, or be subject to investigation which could establish they are the more likely culprit. Still, dummy points for Paul for not checking where this person was going by making sure everything was kosher in the temp folders and cookies and all.

Still, the whole thing sounds weak... but, I'll hold off deciding either way until more details become available.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Again, I want to stress that if he is innocent, I'd hate to see anything happen to him.

As the saying goes, "Innocent until proven guilty"? Paul Kidd's already been proven guilty. Now he's trying to launch an appeal with an "Uncle Sticky did it" defense, and the moment he heard about the furries trying to get "letters of character" sent he finally came out of hiding long enough to tell the furries to stay away and go back to sticking their heads in the sand.

As of late, the AFFholes stopped talking about Paul and just wanna flame guess who instead (remember, "no matter what is wrong or who is wrong, blame and flame Hirtes, for he is the Unclean One who is the source of all evil that is wrought against furrydom"*)? Hell, even O'Connell thinks he can try to regain some fanboy points by dissing me in front of the herd of furries.

*Okay, so I will take credit for passing along that Phredyk Phox video to Consumption Junction. :twisted:

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

By stressing that, I was mostly trying to dodge the idea that I'm screaming for his incarceration based on the scant information that we've been provided here. I would not want him to bear the stigma of child porn for simply having furry porn.

It sounds like the issue of actual child porn has arisen, however, and separated the issue of his guilt from furry-related stuff.... that is to say, it looks like this isn't a case of someone screaming "child porn" when it's really just furry porn. It's shaping up like this is honest-to-gosh child porn... the question now being whether or not he actually acquired it. Of course, either way, he's responsible for the content of his computer and being aware of what's on it.. especially with people other than himself using it.

My stance at present boils down to the fact that I would be utterly unsurprised if it were conclusively demonstrated that he has child porn in his possession of his own doing. But, since all I have to go on is second-hand information, I won't root for either team.. I'll just see what unfolds.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

By stressing that, I was mostly trying to dodge the idea that I'm screaming for his incarceration based on the scant information that we've been provided here. I would not want him to bear the stigma of child porn for simply having furry porn.

That's the point. I doubt that this has anything to do with furry porn (unless it's "cub art"). I think Paul's just wanting to try to make himself look innocent in front of the only fans he has by acting like he's being oppressed by ignorant mundanes that aren't able to appreciate/understand the beauty that is a foxtaur shemale with a ten foot hardon.

From what little I can process through the bullshit filter, Paul did take some bathtub photos of his naked kid (Strike One), took them to be developed (Strike Two), and when the developer went nutzo and the constables went through Paul's computer they found a stash of kiddie pr0n (Strike Three). I would have hoped that for all of Paul's alleged creative talent, he would have at least cooked up a better alibi than "um, some other guy came into my house and downloaded it. I swear!".

(Why this alleged Mystery Pedo never deleted these pix from Paul's computer or why the cops aren't investigating this Mystery Man is also peculiar. Don't you think?)

My stance at present boils down to the fact that I would be utterly unsurprised if it were conclusively demonstrated that he has child porn in his possession of his own doing. But, since all I have to go on is second-hand information, I won't root for either team.. I'll just see what unfolds.

Well, just seeing that notorious "happywriggles" page isn't helping Paul's defense any, I'm sure.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

As of late, the AFFholes stopped talking about Paul and just wanna flame guess who instead (remember, "no matter what is wrong or who is wrong, blame and flame Hirtes, for he is the Unclean One who is the source of all evil that is wrought against furrydom"*)? Hell, even O'Connell thinks he can try to regain some fanboy points by dissing me in front of the herd of furries.

Well, I'll probably end up on your Nixon-style shitlist of backstabbers for saying this, but you did incite them a little with your gleeful schaedenfreude.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

(Why this alleged Mystery Pedo never deleted these pix from Paul's computer or why the cops aren't investigating this Mystery Man is also peculiar. Don't you think?)

IT WAS THE ONE-ARMED MAN WHAT DONE IT, YER HONOR!

"MUAHAHAHAHA.... NOW TO DOWNLOAD KIDDIE PORN TO PAUL'S COMPUTER!"

And he might have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Kidds.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

As of late, the AFFholes stopped talking about Paul and just wanna flame guess who instead (remember, "no matter what is wrong or who is wrong, blame and flame Hirtes, for he is the Unclean One who is the source of all evil that is wrought against furrydom"*)? Hell, even O'Connell thinks he can try to regain some fanboy points by dissing me in front of the herd of furries.

Well, I'll probably end up on your Nixon-style shitlist of backstabbers for saying this, but you did incite them a little with your gleeful schaedenfreude.

Why do you think that? Hell, merely daring to disagree with them incites them. I was there to try to give out a massive Nelsonesque "HA HA!" when one of their heroes screwed up. They don't like it when Reality retaliates against furrydumb's militant idiocy? Well, Tough!

Shmeckopolis · Prattler Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 140

(Why this alleged Mystery Pedo never deleted these pix from Paul's computer or why the cops aren't investigating this Mystery Man is also peculiar. Don't you think?)

IT WAS THE ONE-ARMED MAN WHAT DONE IT, YER HONOR!

"MUAHAHAHAHA.... NOW TO DOWNLOAD KIDDIE PORN TO PAUL'S COMPUTER!"

And he might have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Kidds.

Fucking hilarious.

Donotsue · Venter Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 209

So what's the latest development outside the prison?

-Reporting live from Sydney... somebody please? =)

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

So what's the latest development outside the prison?

-Reporting live from Sydney... somebody please? =)

Latest update (as I've heard it just now). Kidd has been sentenced to 18 months, sentence suspended, and on probation for 2 years. I wonder if Oz law means that the cops can stop by unannounced any time of the day, just to make sure that Paul's not been fapping off to pics of Mrs. Brisby lately?

Not even being satisfied with this slap on the wrist however, he's even trying to get that removed from his record. Hey Paul, Game Over! Jeez!

So it's now 100% official: one of furrydumb's "Most Likely To Succeed" has been tried, convicted, and now finally sentenced as a sex offender.

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

So what's the latest development outside the prison?

-Reporting live from Sydney... somebody please? =)

Latest update (as I've heard it just now). Kidd has been sentenced to 18 months, sentence suspended, and on probation for 2 years. I wonder if Oz law means that the cops can stop by unannounced any time of the day, just to make sure that Paul's not been fapping off to pics of Mrs. Brisby lately?

Not even being satisfied with this slap on the wrist however, he's even trying to get that removed from his record. Hey Paul, Game Over! Jeez!

So it's now 100% official: one of furrydumb's "Most Likely To Succeed" has been tried, convicted, and now finally sentenced as a sex offender.

Actually, depending on what he was convicted for, he may be banned from using the Internet altogether.

But damn, who can say what's what in this case? Everything anyone's heard has been second-hand "I heard from a friend..." reports. And we've heard different hearsay versions as well: it was all down to his pix of his kids in the bath; it was down to a friend browsing kiddy porn sites on his PC; he defended furry art in court; and any and all combinations thereof. Plus, no-one has been able to turn up any sort of mention in the Australian media whatsoever, which is odd since you'd think "Man convicted for taking photos of his kids' bathtime" would have been newsworthy.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Actually, depending on what he was convicted for, he may be banned from using the Internet altogether.

I'm not sure if Paul really uses the Internet himself. Even on his own Yahoo group, his messages are usually posted courtesy of the group's admin.

Who knows? Perhaps this criminal case might actually be the very reason why Paul hasn't been on the net for a while. It could have been a condition for being allowed to post/reduce bail, or legal advice from his lawyer.

Plus, no-one has been able to turn up any sort of mention in the Australian media whatsoever, which is odd since you'd think "Man convicted for taking photos of his kids' bathtime" would have been newsworthy.

It might be because these days, the case of something like this is getting to be as common as a house burglary, and may just get shoved near the back of the local paper.

Whatever the true circumstances, what we do know ids that Paul Kidd got busted (for something), because the cops found something, and Paul Kidd (and furry art, by Paul's own admission about "defending Erma Felna in court") got dragged through the mud for it.

Jerry Collins · Prattler Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 186

"Sic Exetuse auto probat"...you get what you give folks!

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 335

From The Daily Californian, Jan 13th 1995 (yes - 1995):

SAN DIEGO - An El Cajon child molester who was found to have violated probation by possessing a large quantity of bizarre pornography was sentenced this week to 10 years in state prison.

The parents of three El Cajon girls Smeltzer molested in 1991 attended the hearing and had long sought a prison term instead of the one-year county jail sentence, with 10 years of probation, given to him in 1992 by another judge. Smeltzer was found to be in possession of "furry art," which Stephenson said were black and white drawings of "half human, half animal" creatures who "engaged in sexually explicit activities."

The prosecutor conceded that "he did not offend that we know of," but said Smeltzer had not acknowledged to probation officials or therapists his "furry art" collection.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

1995..... Imagine what levels of depravity his art collection would host these days.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

From The Daily Californian, Jan 13th 1995 (yes - 1995):

SAN DIEGO - An El Cajon child molester who was found to have violated probation by possessing a large quantity of bizarre pornography was sentenced this week to 10 years in state prison.

The parents of three El Cajon girls Smeltzer molested in 1991 attended the hearing and had long sought a prison term instead of the one-year county jail sentence, with 10 years of probation, given to him in 1992 by another judge. Smeltzer was found to be in possession of "furry art," which Stephenson said were black and white drawings of "half human, half animal" creatures who "engaged in sexually explicit activities."

The prosecutor conceded that "he did not offend that we know of," but said Smeltzer had not acknowledged to probation officials or therapists his "furry art" collection.

I've searched up & down Google for any of this, and I'm seeing zilch. Do you have any links?

Rankin · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 727

I've searched up & down Google for any of this, and I'm seeing zilch. Do you have any links?

Still new at this internet thing, Hirtes? ;)

A followup by the original poster:

In reference to my last post....

The Daily Californian's address:
Box 1565
El Cajon, CA 92022
Fax: (619)447-6165

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Still new at this internet thing, Hirtes? ;)

Hey, I typed in all the keywords ("furry" "El Cajon" "Smeltzer"), and Google just went "Duh-uhhhh?" at me and farted. Not my fault your searches got luckier.

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 403

A followup by the original poster:

In reference to my last post....

The Daily Californian's address:
Box 1565
El Cajon, CA 92022
Fax: (619)447-6165

I was just about to flip out, thinking that the Daily Californian in question was the UC Berkeley student paper and that there once existed a furry pederast in my own backyard, but no.

Where the hell is El Cajon?

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 215

Where the hell is El Cajon?

A few miles East of San Diego.

Um,I don't speak Spanish, but doesn't "cajones" mean "testicles"? El Cajon = ?

Kadius · Venter Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 254

Where the hell is El Cajon?

A few miles East of San Diego.

Um,I don't speak Spanish, but doesn't "cajones" mean "testicles"? El Cajon = ?

According to babelfish, El Cajon means "The Drawer". Weird.

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

According to babelfish, El Cajon means "The Drawer". Weird.

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m_estrugo · Prattler Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 189

Where the hell is El Cajon?

A few miles East of San Diego.

Um,I don't speak Spanish, but doesn't "cajones" mean "testicles"? El Cajon = ?

According to babelfish, El Cajon means "The Drawer". Weird.

Yeah. Cajón means different things in Spanish. Cajón is a derivative from Caja, that means 'box', so it's both used as 'drawer' and 'box'. It's also used on geography to denomine those deep valleys closed on three of its sides by tall mountains, like the Cajón del Maipo, near Santiago.
The slang word used to say 'testicle' (or, rather, balls) is 'cojón', with an 'O', not an 'A'. The word is widely used on explressions like "¿Qué cojones es esto?" that has the exact same meaning than "what the fuck is that?"
So, in Spanish, "WTF?" would be "¿QC?" :)

Quantum Coyote · Coadjutor Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 89

m_estrugo Wrote:

So, in Spanish, "WTF?" would be "¿QC?" :)

Are you threatening me?!