Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

Bestiality is the practice of sexual intercourse between a human and a non-human being. Some people who enjoy acts of, or thoughts of, bestiality call themselves zoophiles and their sexuality is often referred to as zoophilia. The word, however, is NOT the thing. A zoophile IS NOT a good or bad being just because of the descriptive verb; good or bad depends upon the individual, not the word one uses to describe oneself.

This topic can be very emotional and confusing, and well it should be, for there is great potential here for ulterior motive and abuse. On the other paw, bestiality is as old as the human species; it's been a part of human nature since well before recorded history, and the earliest cave paintings detail human beings copulating with non-humans.

As sex became an issue for control, as well as other animalistic drives, bestiality was included, along with homosexuality and witchcraft, in the list of taboos to be regarded as depraved and evil. My wolf does not believe that bestiality is, in and of itself, evil, and that this act, if entered into honorably, can create very strong and intimate bonds between human and non-human beings.

I do not see a borderline between myself and an animal being, for I am an animal being. All animals share the same fundamental biology. All animals fear, anger, love, seek pleasure, and respond to a great variety of mental and physical stimuli in much the same way. All animals think and have the ability to reason and accept, disregard, or avoid situations; unless they are being forced. All sentient beings love and often seek close relationships with other creatures. Typically, it is humans who divide and categorize everything; break everything down into mental paradigms and apply ideas of proper and improper to them. Non-human beings tend to live in reality and decide at the time if something happening is proper or not and then react accordingly.

The unfortunate side of the coin is that there are always evil people who will use others for their own gratification; there are those who take pleasure in abuse and in holding power over other beings. I find creatures such as these contemptible and lowly. Their souls are primitive and they have a great many hard lessons to struggle through in their spiritual evolution.

I am intolerant of those who abuse others. It's so easy to be cruel. I will not condone nor support abuse in any form. I will report abusers to the authorities and I suggest that others do the same. I am an activist for animals and I seek legislation that makes animal abuse a serious crime that carries hard penalties, equal to like crimes committed against human beings.

I do not, however, believe moral issues should be made a matter of law when they do not actually involve harm against others. Bestiality should not be illegal. Intimate sexual contact between creatures can be a beautiful and inspiring thing. If sex becomes abusive then laws against abuse should already serve to penalize such activities. We do not need to tell beings what they can or cannot do into their private lives, unless they are causing tangible harm to others.

It has been this wolfs experience that human and non-human beings can enjoy sex together. Either one likes to be intimate and physical with another or not. It's not difficult to know when someone is disinterested or turned off by another's sexual advance. To proceed with a sexual act against another's will is immoral; it's ill virtue; it's disrespectful; it's damaging to the soul; it's rape; and it's evil. When both beings are enjoying the gentle touch, though, sex is a deep and beautifully intimate experience.

I advocate close, even sexual, relationships between human and non-human animals, so long as they are honest, mutually enjoyed acts of love.

From http://ebonlupus.org/#marriage

thoughts on this? I've seen this sort of thing written by furries before, and although its nice to see that they're thinking 'outside the box' and beyond taboos, I have been brought up to be utterly disgusted by the fact that anyone would want to have sex with a dog etc.
I feel that beastiality is quite similar to pedophilia even if the dog or whatever species is willing to be part of it. wouldn't you say animals and children are the same in this instance? I think it should be illegal.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Edit: Blah I need more, or less coffee. Fuck dissertations on dogfuckers.

Khroan · Qualificator Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 37

Bestiality is the practice of sexual intercourse between a human and a non-human being. Some people who enjoy acts of, or thoughts of, bestiality call themselves zoophiles and their sexuality is often referred to as zoophilia. The word, however, is NOT the thing. A zoophile IS NOT a good or bad being just because of the descriptive verb; good or bad depends upon the individual, not the word one uses to describe oneself.

This topic can be very emotional and confusing, and well it should be, for there is great potential here for ulterior motive and abuse. On the other paw, bestiality is as old as the human species; it's been a part of human nature since well before recorded history, and the earliest cave paintings detail human beings copulating with non-humans.

As sex became an issue for control, as well as other animalistic drives, bestiality was included, along with homosexuality and witchcraft, in the list of taboos to be regarded as depraved and evil. My wolf does not believe that bestiality is, in and of itself, evil, and that this act, if entered into honorably, can create very strong and intimate bonds between human and non-human beings.

I do not see a borderline between myself and an animal being, for I am an animal being. All animals share the same fundamental biology. All animals fear, anger, love, seek pleasure, and respond to a great variety of mental and physical stimuli in much the same way. All animals think and have the ability to reason and accept, disregard, or avoid situations; unless they are being forced. All sentient beings love and often seek close relationships with other creatures. Typically, it is humans who divide and categorize everything; break everything down into mental paradigms and apply ideas of proper and improper to them. Non-human beings tend to live in reality and decide at the time if something happening is proper or not and then react accordingly.

The unfortunate side of the coin is that there are always evil people who will use others for their own gratification; there are those who take pleasure in abuse and in holding power over other beings. I find creatures such as these contemptible and lowly. Their souls are primitive and they have a great many hard lessons to struggle through in their spiritual evolution.

I am intolerant of those who abuse others. It's so easy to be cruel. I will not condone nor support abuse in any form. I will report abusers to the authorities and I suggest that others do the same. I am an activist for animals and I seek legislation that makes animal abuse a serious crime that carries hard penalties, equal to like crimes committed against human beings.

I do not, however, believe moral issues should be made a matter of law when they do not actually involve harm against others. Bestiality should not be illegal. Intimate sexual contact between creatures can be a beautiful and inspiring thing. If sex becomes abusive then laws against abuse should already serve to penalize such activities. We do not need to tell beings what they can or cannot do into their private lives, unless they are causing tangible harm to others.

It has been this wolfs experience that human and non-human beings can enjoy sex together. Either one likes to be intimate and physical with another or not. It's not difficult to know when someone is disinterested or turned off by another's sexual advance. To proceed with a sexual act against another's will is immoral; it's ill virtue; it's disrespectful; it's damaging to the soul; it's rape; and it's evil. When both beings are enjoying the gentle touch, though, sex is a deep and beautifully intimate experience.

I advocate close, even sexual, relationships between human and non-human animals, so long as they are honest, mutually enjoyed acts of love.

From http://ebonlupus.org/#marriage

thoughts on this? I've seen this sort of thing written by furries before, and although its nice to see that they're thinking 'outside the box' and beyond taboos, I have been brought up to be utterly disgusted by the fact that anyone would want to have sex with a dog etc.
I feel that beastiality is quite similar to pedophilia even if the dog or whatever species is willing to be part of it. wouldn't you say animals and children are the same in this instance? I think it should be illegal.

what is this doing on the internet

Zeis Montero · Apocrisiary Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 49

NO

YOU DO NOT DO THAT

thegunman · Qualificator Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 37

i sorry, but if you fuck your family pet your a sick bastard in my book.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

As I've always said since the notorious "unbroadcastable" episode of Jerry Springer was first brought up, "It's okay to love your pet. Just don't love your pet.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

I've just done a bit of research and Ebon, who wrote the above essay is actually a 41 year old man. His wolf art is so realistically gorgeous, but when I got to the 'porn', the fact that it looked so realistic wasn't so pleasing anymore. But it turns out that he's quite a nice guy. Wether or not I agree with his 'sexuality' is another matter.

What I don't understand is wether he can actually get anywhere in his battle against DA and their cencorship policies. I don't know what pics he had up, but DA didn't agree with them very much and now he's complaining about violations of his sexual orientation (which is actually against DA rules!)

I don't think these crimes against our freedom of expression and individuality should be taken lightly. They are bigotry... they are oppression... they are the guardians of morality out to protect their own morality at the cost of our individuality. They are controlling us... trying to shape us in their image... trying to be God.

http://ebonlupus.deviantart.com/

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

DeviantArt is a private site, he signed up and accepted the rules which state no pornography and that the admins reserve the right to delete any deviation they feel to not obey the rules, so he hasn't got much room to whine and they aren't even violating anything of his, they've not stopped him from posting it anywhere on the net he can just on their private server.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

What I don't understand is wether he can actually get anywhere in his battle against DA and their cencorship policies. I don't know what pics he had up, but DA didn't agree with them very much and now he's complaining about violations of his sexual orientation (which is actually against DA rules!)

Say WHAT? I haven't read DeviantArt's policies, but I suspect the owners own the site and have full control and discrection about what goes on and what's to be deleted, like in any other privately owned public service.
The -only- appliable criteria is the one of the owners of the site because, while it's a public service, it's privately owned. As in any public gallery, they've got the right to censor whatever they please and by whatever reason it is.
Transforming this into a free speech baroohah is like complaining that you've got banned from a site for saying 'everybody should be able to have sex with kids', something that could also be interpreted as a violation of a sexual orientation.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

DeviantArt is a private site, he signed up and accepted the rules which state no pornography and that the admins reserve the right to delete any deviation they feel to not obey the rules, so he hasn't got much room to whine and they aren't even violating anything of his, they've not stopped him from posting it anywhere on the net he can just on their private server.

Well I put the word porn in quotation marks because his pics arn't classed as porn to necessarily everone. I think they were pics of wolves mating or pissing etc. I think they were banned mostly because they were obviously intended to be sexual as you can see anything like that on Discovery Channel.

I do believe that DA have a right to ban what they want without the law getting involved as I think he's going to try and do! Its their site and he can always keep his pics on his own site without a problem.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Um, Charisma?

The Ebon Lupus guy is a dogfucking trainwreck, pure and simple. Think Manawolf, but apparently practicing in addition to advocating. The very idea of him passing his stuff off as "art" is almost entertainingly dodgy, ESPECIALLY because of this.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Well I put the word porn in quotation marks because his pics arn't classed as porn to necessarily everone. I think they were pics of wolves mating or pissing etc. I think they were banned mostly because they were obviously intended to be sexual as you can see anything like that on Discovery Channel.

Porn is defined as an image that is intended to be sexual so ergo, his 'art' is porn if it's intended as sexual.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

Well I put the word porn in quotation marks because his pics arn't classed as porn to necessarily everone. I think they were pics of wolves mating or pissing etc. I think they were banned mostly because they were obviously intended to be sexual as you can see anything like that on Discovery Channel.

Porn is defined as an image that is intended to be sexual so ergo, his 'art' is porn if it's intended as sexual.

I can't agree with that entirely, although it brings up an interesting debate!
If someone has an extreme shoe fetish and everytime he sees a shoe he gets turned on, and then draws a shoe...is that then porn?
If an artist draws five women in a lesbian fisting orgy but then claims they drew it because it was 'emotional' and not intended to be porn, is it then not classed as porn?

Khroan · Qualificator Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 37

Well I put the word porn in quotation marks because his pics arn't classed as porn to necessarily everone. I think they were pics of wolves mating or pissing etc. I think they were banned mostly because they were obviously intended to be sexual as you can see anything like that on Discovery Channel.

Porn is defined as an image that is intended to be sexual so ergo, his 'art' is porn if it's intended as sexual.

I can't agree with that entirely, although it brings up an interesting debate!
If someone has an extreme shoe fetish and everytime he sees a shoe he gets turned on, and then draws a shoe...is that then porn?
If an artist draws five women in a lesbian fisting orgy but then claims they drew it because it was 'emotional' and not intended to be porn, is it then not classed as porn?

yes

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

So shoes should be banned and orgies should be 'faved' on DA?
People don't always state their intentions in the image descriptions.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Porn is generally accepted as anything that most normal people count as a turn on, IE shots of masturbation, fetish gear.

Regardless of whether the shoe turns someone on or not, it isn't porn unless a deliberate attempt to sexualise it has been made.

Sexual acts can be considered pron 90% of the time, good erotica/emotional art does not need to depict sex in detail and usually doesn't.

Pycnopodia · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 72

Well, Id say beastiality is ok as long as I dont have to watch and no animals are hurt :)

Donotsue · Coadjutor Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 106

Hear hear!

Now let's go shoot some wabbits and ducks.. and hunt foxes and let dogs tear em to shreads. =)

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

OMG!

Is beastiality wrong? Uhhh... YEAH!

Geez, the sheer fact that he is questioning this proves he is messed up in the head. My god, he needs to be set straight. What he needs is a weekend in Amsterdam touring the "Red Light" district. The government of Holland assures that those women are safe. I should know, I forked over 50 euros for one of them (Standard price) a couple weeks ago.

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

...I should know, I forked over 50 euros for one of them (Standard price) a couple weeks ago.

I found it odd that I went in with $10, and came back out with $20.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Hear hear!

Now let's go shoot some wabbits and ducks.. and hunt foxes and let dogs tear em to shreads. =)

Or howzabout Prarie Dogs with explosive rounds? That's fun!

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

Or howzabout Prarie Dogs with explosive rounds? That's fun!

That's a waste. You want a cheap bolt action .22 for them. You know you've got them when they do a little twitch in the air. :lol:

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Personally, I don't see bestiality as a problem because of differing species. The problem is that you are dealing with interaction between to creatures that cannot suitably communicate consent. Sure, some furry nut can argue that his dog gives him all the signs that it wants some hot and heavy action, but we're talking about an animal that will get it on with a couch if the fancy strikes it. Maybe someday if we have some kind of universal translator where "Woof!" is correctly translated into "Yes, your honor, I was hoping I could bury my bone in Ms. Jones." then maybe we can start easing the constraints a little. But, until then, you cannot certify that sexual interaction between a human and an animal is concentual, so it's little more than 4-legged pedophilia. On top of which, most animals, even if they COULD talk, don't have much more intelligence than that of a child (though with the education system the way it is today, a chipmunk is quickly gaining more intelligence than your average 12-year-old). Even if they could communicate, their understanding of human sex wouldn't be any better than a child's, so, you're back to the similarity between bestiality and pedophilia.

Plus, I dunno how many beastie pics everyone has seen, but in the few I've seen, the dog always has bags or socks taped to its feet to keep from clawing the person as they grab on. You know how much a dog hates to have stuff put on its paws? That alone demonstrates they're having to do things the dog does not enjoy.

The funniest thing I ever saw was a video clip one of my former roommates pulled up with a woman bending over in front of a horse. The horse first whalloped her with its hoof as it tried to rear up, and then obviously surprised her with its strength as it "impaled" her and proceeded to repeatedly smash her body against the stall wall. Her cries of anguish and whoops of pained surprise, coupled with the fact that she pretty much deserved it for trying to get a horse to screw her, made it one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Took a little wander round his site...my god what a freak, gee someone ought to thank him on behalf of the human race for painting all of us as such evil freaks and remind him that wolves probably don't give a fuck about him and that he probably isn't a wolf in spirit really as he seems pretty much clueless about them judging from his waxing lyrical about how noble they are.

btw, I don't even thing his art is that good, it has anatomy flaws and is stiff and posed as if he was copying from a photograph.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

(though with the education system the way it is today, a chipmunk is quickly gaining more intelligence than your average 12-year-old).

Not sure I agree with that statement. There sure seems to be a lot of very intellgent people comming out of the American HS system. Or more so, when I look at the opportunities they're getting access to, the things they're learning and getting to, the equiptment they're getting to work with etc, well, let's just say it makes the HS I went to look like a piece of poop. Maybe I just happen to be talking to the lucky few that are going/went to a good HS system but from what I've observed, the American education system is really not all that bad.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Inspired by DA (damn you!), I poked around a little, too. The only thing that's really impressive is this Ebon fellow has the trick for doing fur down pretty good, but that's pretty easy once you know the tricks, particularly with a Wacom tablet or such. Looking at this pic, however, I'm struck by the amazing ability this wolf has to warp his farthest leg into the foreground with the others.

Not bad stuff, but overall, I'm struck by the amazingly vanilla quality of all of this stuff. This is right up there with the $25 carpets you see sold on the side of some highway out of van with pictures of wolves, leopards, Elvis, and Black Jesus. Although, you're not as likely to see this coming at you on a cheap rug.

Looking through the rest of the site, it's pretty typical furry fodder. A fellow has a few knocks in life, as we all do, and decides to convince himself that he's a reincarnated wolf that is so much nobler and wiser than TEH 1CK133 HY00MAN5. Opposes the "dogma" of marriage.. no surprise there... his views on sex reveal the typical furry discomfort with the whole thing, and the need to relate it to the animal kingdom to somehow justify it as okay in their minds..... you don't have considerations "on the other hand," but, "on the other paw." Folks don't talk... they "woof."

Lao Tzu woofed this lesson as follows...

Lao Tzu would probably deliver unto him a good ass-kicking if he could read this now.

And, the whole thing in kind of a nutshell....

What follows are my thoughts on a few things that I've struggled with; things that have tortured me and still do. Why am I writing about these things? Well... they're important to me. I think these things are important to everyone. I think people should be thinking about them. For so long as these things are not thought about, the problem, as I perceive it, can never be reconciled. Until we think about things, and decide how we truly feel about them, those who do not think nor feel shall dictate policies; dictate policies that destroy beauty; destroy what we treasure upon the earth. I'm going to write about our environment. I'm going to write about the truth as I see it. I'm going to write about animals, both human and non-human. I'm going to consider the nature of things; the oneness of things; of want verses need; of lust verses love.

I have been filled with such anger at the things I have seen. I have had thoughts of justice and of revenge. My mind and heart have run a gambit of emotion and reality. I need to write about my struggle; our struggle; the struggle with what we are and what we hope to be so that I can share something I think I have found. So where shall we begin?

No need to begin, pal. Nothing being said on your page that we haven't heard before. Life sucks.. therefore you, an elightened wolf spirit, rise above the suckitude to be so much more in tune with your chihuahua spirit than the rest of the hy00mans. Wolves rule all, humans suxxorz. The wisdom of the animal kingdom teaches of if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.. but love is just an artificial construct of TEH MAN and Rome to keep us from liberating ourselves to where we're free to fuck anything that moves. Wah wah wah..... someone play up the "open a vein" soundbyte, please.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Not sure I agree with that statement. There sure seems to be a lot of very intellgent people comming out of the American HS system. Or more so, when I look at the opportunities they're getting access to, the things they're learning and getting to, the equiptment they're getting to work with etc, well, let's just say it makes the HS I went to look like a piece of poop. Maybe I just happen to be talking to the lucky few that are going/went to a good HS system but from what I've observed, the American education system is really not all that bad.

(Double post here just because of the huge shift in topic)
One of the pitfalls of the 'net is it's hard to tell when one is making a gross generalization for the sake of glibly playing things up... as was the case with what I said. It's actually not so much the American school system that is the cause as Americans are just willfully becoming dumber in general... the schools just suffer as a side effect, rather than a cause. There's still plenty of smart kids coming out.. but they're the ones that are responsible enough to study hard and all. Most of us would probably cite we know some pretty smart school kids, since a lot of us here are nerds, and would naturally gravitate to the ones following in our footsteps. :D

My wife and I figure we'll be going to parent-teacher conferences a lot. As two people that value learning anything you can more than many modern teachers... we figure our kids are going to challenge their teachers a lot.... and we'll hear about how our kids are undermining their teachers' authority by proving the teacher's copy of the textbooks are wrong and stuff.

Damn that bell curve.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Ah okay, I see what you're saying.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

This is probably one reason you hear so much about school having hard times, no matter how much money is thrown at education. I guess I was in error for blaming the school system. I used that as a catch-all phrase, and, really, it puts unfair blame on the schools. I guess it would be better to suggest that the children themselves just don't have as much of an emphasis on the value of learning these days.

It's kind of like some of the stuff Bill Cosby caught heat for lately. He said at one point he started to blame the schools for kids using works like "ax (axe, aks, whatever)" instead of "ask" and "I be this" and "I be that." Then he said he heard the parents, and knew it wasn't the schools that were the problem.... stating a woman will spend $500 for a pair of Nike shoes for her kid, but not $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

Is it any wonder kids are doing poorly in schools when their parents don't value education any more than the kids do?

Thanks for helping me see the error in my phrasing and thinking.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Hey, wait, this guy has a forum, I'll bet there's plenty of fucked-u

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAA

Ok, you know what? I'm starting to think that forum invasions and DoS attacks can sometimes be justified. I mean, could you really blame anyone for vainly trying his or her hardest to get this off our internet?

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

This is probably one reason you hear so much about school having hard times, no matter how much money is thrown at education. I guess I was in error for blaming the school system. I used that as a catch-all phrase, and, really, it puts unfair blame on the schools. I guess it would be better to suggest that the children themselves just don't have as much of an emphasis on the value of learning these days.

I think a big part of the problem is lack of motivation, I think a lot of students just don't see the point of doing well as 'why bother? It'll make no diffrence?'

Either that or they try hard at something and fail and lose hope, so fall into the 'can't win, don't try' mentality.

Or perhaps they had an ******* teacher tell them they'd never amount to anything and they gave up trying.

Basically, instead of the young people of today being taught and told to be all that they can be, they seem to be being taught to esentually coast though life, doing the minimal needed to get by.

I've noticed that the ones that achieve greatness at an early age often seem to be the ones that broke free of that rut and put everything into it, they made sure to be everything they could be and followed their hopes and dreams.

That's what I honestly think the problem is, lack of motivation and falling into despair and a feeling of hopelessness (of course out doom and gloom society certainlly doesen't help).

stating a woman will spend $500 for a pair of Nike shoes for her kid, but not $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

Is it any wonder kids are doing poorly in schools when their parents don't value education any more than the kids do?

Very good point. That's another trend in our society that distrubs me, mainly people not getting their priorities straight.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Hey, wait, this guy has a forum, I'll bet there's plenty of fucked-u

For those not bold enough to click:

In one of the runs there was a beautiful German shepherd dog with thick, medium length, golden colored fur. Her eyes were deep amber, almost brown, and her gaze beautiful and powerful. The expiration tag said that she was a GSD-X, female, about one year old, and that she had two more days to live. As I looked at her she gazed at me, she slowly wagged her long bushy tail. I immediately felt a kinship for her - like she was meant to be my bitch. In the dim light of the shelter she looked like a wolf hiding in the shadows. I could feel my heart pounding in my chest as I fell in love with her at first sight.

I’d heard of people speak of unconditional love, but it seemed like a fairy-tale, like Santa Claus or God, until I’d fallen in love with Chandra. She taught me what love really meant. She was always there for me. When I was late getting home she was still happy to see me, without judgment or complaint. When I was happy she would play, run in circles, wag her tail, and amplify my joy. When I was sad she would lay her head on my lap and comfort me. She always listened when I had a bad day, her ears erect and head cocked intelligently, as I whined in frustration.

Chandra's powerful golden eyes could see into my soul. She knew more about me than I knew about myself. We had only been permitted to love together for six short years.

In a way, you almost have to feel bad for the guy. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but you can almost see the lonliness and desperation in his text. Of course, then you start to not feel too bad for him, as you're reminded that any lonliness he suffers from is self-inflicted, since he probably prefers to sit around all day and watch Animal Planet than go out and socialize with those 1CK33 HY00MAN5.

She sat on the cool grass naked, an unfamiliar warmth tingling between her thighs... tingling deep within her... tingling through her soul.

This didn't make any sense. She shivered as a warm breeze blew the fragrant scent of fir sap across her nostrils. The sun was just setting. Warm golden-pink burned the clouds on the horizon above the trees. She sat in a small clearing of grass nestled somewhere deep in the forest. She wasn't alone; they were still with her. She shivered again...

"Oh God, what have I done?" She spoke softly, "maybe I've been dreaming and..."

Her hand moved between her thighs. Her vagina was moist, recently stimulated, and slightly tender. She looked to the left and saw him lying on his back. His cock was bobbing erect and dripping with cum. He looked to her; eyes warm and beautiful, excitement still burned around the coal black pupils. He was extremely handsome. The memory of his stiff, pulsing meat drawn tight inside her was fresh to her mind and her body... and it had felt very nice. Once again her body trembled although the air was delightfully warm.

When had it started? Even in this strange situation her mind drifted back in time to her youth and trying to make sense of these things. For as long as she could remember she had loved Wolves. When she was younger she read everything she could find about them. She studied art and learned to draw and paint pictures of Wolves. She dreamed of living with them; a dream that had come true. Something inside her... deep inside... in some unnamed place, longed to touch lupine fur, and more than that, wanted to be a Wolf. She had often joked about this with her friends, telling them that she had rather be a Wolf; that human bodies were inferior, and then she would list a number of reasons why.

The thing is... she hadn't been joking. She deeply longed to be a Wolf... to run with them, howl with them, hunt with them, even mate with them... and it seemed to her now, vividly, that she had just done all of these things.

Then you read this, and feel even less sympathetic for him, as his attempts to be deep turn out to be little more than a yiff log from someone who was having a hard time going between wanking, their keyboard, and their thesaurus.

And just for bonus points....

She dropped into a semi-squat and cocked her tail up sharply, arching her back, claws clasping the earth as she spread her thighs and shuffled her hips. She looked at him with inviting intensity. The dominant male took the cue and instantly moved behind her, pausing just long enough to sniff her tail and taste the wetness of her seam with a quick flick of his tongue. He pounced onto her back, locked his powerful forepaws against her hips, and with a few gentle thrusts his sex met hers.

As soon as flesh parted flesh he leaned over her and thrust his rapidly growing cock between her thighs fast and with abandon. His hips rolled powerfully as he grunted and sunk his pulsing member deep into the warmth of her beautiful lupine body. Then they tied... and they sighed... to the blissful pumping of his vital seed into her sucking wet womb.

She suddenly felt lightheaded and the world began to bend. She could feel the warm throb of his bone buried deep between her thighs start to sting and the pain of his claws bite into the flesh of her thighs. She was changing again.

This one of the kinds of furries I really don't get. A lot of them think the animal kingdom is sooooooo much better than human society, but they at least take interest in the bulk of the animal kingdom. Then you have these types that obsess on one species in particular to the exclusion of all others.... it's like the women that live in the nearly-condemned house with about 200 cats.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

Now I don't read alot of erotica, and if that wasn't about dogs mating I think it'd be pretty good to be honest. It really is mindboggling how strange the human race can be with their sexuality. If it wasn't for the internet I;d be a very naive little girl indeed...maybe that was a good thing. I find it all very fascinating though, that people can be so different.

it's like the women that live in the nearly-condemned house with about 200 cats.

LOL, my mum jokes that I'd end up like that *MAULEDBYFLEAS*

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Now I don't read alot of erotica, and if that wasn't about dogs mating I think it'd be pretty good to be honest. It really is mindboggling how strange the human race can be with their sexuality. If it wasn't for the internet I;d be a very naive little girl indeed...maybe that was a good thing. I find it all very fascinating though, that people can be so different.

Actually it reads to me like it got mauled by a theosaurus, I write erotica (mostly for friends) and I'm considering seeing if a publisher would take some of my stories, bit too flowery and perfect to be a really good erotic story is my opinion.

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

Why is it so revulting to put your dick in dog, but it's just fine to do to someone's ass?

In my honest opinion, it's an awful thing to mate with something that doesn't fully grasp what's going on. Be it a dog, porcupine, child or 25 year old twit.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

If you took out the fact that it was about a wolf and a wolf-human transformey thingy, I wouldn't say it was good, but I wouldn't say it was hideous, either. It would basically read like one of those trashy dime-store romance novels... the kind that feature Fabio on the cover in a ripped shirt with a ruffly collar holding some woman in a wench outfit.

I just can't deem something good when you're using phrases like:

"tingling between her thighs... tingling deep within her... tingling through her soul."

"His cock was bobbing erect and dripping with cum."

"stiff, pulsing meat"

"taste the wetness of her seam"

"pulsing member"

"the blissful pumping of his vital seed into her sucking wet womb"

"bone"

Of course the biggest demerits goes to:

"human bodies were inferior"

Ewwww.. icky hy00mans.... they suck so bad... I wish I could scrub the hy00man off of me... they're so inferior.

Of course, the thing that really weakens the whole eroticizing of it is that basically they're portraying animals with human sexuality. They don't think about it being an all or nothing deal..... can't have the "superior" wolf bod and still have the human capacity to enjoy sex on so many levels beyond instinct.

You often hear them use modifiers like, "if I could have a tiger's body, but keep my human intelligence." Well, you can't... in a phrase that's been popularized lately... deal with it.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

"human bodies were inferior"

Yes! that's the reason why we subdued all other animals and became KINGS OF THE FUCKING PLANET

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Well we are talking about the guy who considers his entire body a 'birth defect' my comment on that one was "What the entire thing? including the mind/brain/whatever seat of conciousness?" :?

I think I'll stick to my icky hy00man body especially since most icky hy00man males seem to think it looks just fine on me. :twisted:

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Yes, they overlook the fact that THEY WOULD HAVE NO COGNIZANCE OF THE WORLD FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE if they were born their "true" selves.... no Playstation, no key lime pie, no Hooters girls, no sex for fun, no Secret of Nimh, no furry art.... just them rolling around in the dirt and sniffing butts.

Of course, many furries prove you can be perfectly human and still roll around in the dirt and snort ass.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

"human bodies were inferior"

Yes! that's the reason why we subdued all other animals and became KINGS OF THE FUCKING PLANET

Man is prince, But Bacteria are king.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Good point. Although, we may even only rate something like a duke. Bacteria are the kinds... perhaps insects should be counted as the princes.

Take that an put it in your wolfpipe and wolfsmoke it... wolf bodies are inferior to things that are a single bloody cell.

H3R3SY!

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Good point. Although, we may even only rate something like a duke. Bacteria are the kinds... perhaps insects should be counted as the princes.

Take that an put it in your wolfpipe and wolfsmoke it... wolf bodies are inferior to things that are a single bloody cell.

H3R3SY!

Hey hey. Watch what you say about wolves. It isn't THEIR fault so many HUMANS are nuts. Some people appreciate wolves for their sheer beauty and nature. I've never had the urge to, ugh, fuck one.

Though I probably can get you a URL for that. More's the pity and so goes the Internet.

BTW, I have a wolf shaped pipe on order from a carver who does figural work in briar and know a bunch who do custom work in meerschaum. I'd love to pay $2000 for an exquisite meer pipe of an erotic furry scene just to fuck with furries. It would be soooo worth it. Oh, I've got one from that briar carver of President G.W. Bush. No kidding. Check it out->

GW Bush Pipe Pic One
GW Bush Pipe Pic Two

I'm thinking of having pipes done of various well known furry fandom characters and seeing what happens.

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

I'm thinking of having pipes done of various well known furry fandom characters and seeing what happens.

Just make sure that the bowls are large enough to fit a pickle in.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

"human bodies were inferior"

Yes! that's the reason why we subdued all other animals and became KINGS OF THE FUCKING PLANET

Actually I think humans are weaker and less physically capable in a lot of respects. People die really, REALLY easily. The human form could be improved in a lot of ways. (not that I really believe such things should be done)

An ant can lift 50 times its own weight..that would be a human lifting, I think 2 cars over thier head and there is no one on earth that can do that. just an example.

Im not into the whole tranformation or furry thing, im just saying if i could change my form somehow, id go for super strong, armored with an exoskelton, super efficient respiratory/circulatory/immune systems..ya know, why not ? :D

ah, but would I use my abilities for good or evil...hmmm

SLaitila · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 126

GW Bush Pipe Pic One
GW Bush Pipe Pic Two

I would kill for a carved G W Bush toilet bowl.

Or make one myself.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

If I had to pick some kind of alteration that could be construed as a super power, it'd be "instant transmission" such as the former New Mutant, Cypher, or some fellow named Taskmaster. Cypher could become fluent in any language just by hearing or seeing a little of it. Taskmaster could learn to do anyone's job just by watching them for a few minutes.

Talk about never having to worry about what to put on your resume.

"I'm fluent in over 6 million forms of communication."

"Fine, fine.. do you speak Bocce?"

"Of course I can, sir. It's like a second language to me."

"What we're really looking for is a senior database administrator."

"Just let me see what he does and I'll get my resume to you."

Heeeee.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

"Good erotica" if it wasn't about wolf molestation? GRANDMA PLEASE

"the blissful pumping of his vital seed into her sucking wet womb"

You know, this line is reminding me of a similar one in a certain badly-translated doujinshi.

Paul · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 138

You know, this line is reminding me of a similar one in a certain badly-translated doujinshi.

Great Pussy Squeezes My Dick

Eep. That comic could be used as a manual: "What NOT to say while having sex".

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

You know, this line is reminding me of a similar one in a certain badly-translated doujinshi.

Oh god.. and that looks to be King of Fighters doujin. And KoF is one of my favorite fighting game series. *points to the link in his sig and his ava* Thanks Comp. x.X (Atleast Vice isn't in there though.)

Shmeckopolis · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 103

And remember, folks; the Vulcan Fuck will get you pregnant.

...

Dammit, Spok, get that dick away from me! I know your games!

Pycnopodia · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 72

Just a thought.. Is there anything more nasty then very old people doing nasty but very normal stuff?
EXTREME FUGLY WARNING!!!1
tp://www.mature-galleries.net/dailynewsets/12/index.php?wm=484013
tp://www.jointheporn.com/index.php?w=100025&s=NANAFUNK&t=20&tp=02m&st=masturbation
tp://www.jointheporn.com/index.php?w=100025&s=NANAFUNK&t=20&tp=03m&st=bates
tp://www.tiava.com/pictures/grandma0.php

Add ht in front of broken urls. You are warned, this is VERY VERY nasty.

Do you disapprove of beastiality because you consider it ugly/unormal/nasty or is it due to other reasons? Im not gonna really discuss ethics, Im just curious :wink:

Test your morals: Test your morals.

My results (I think this is a relevant test for the thread :)

Your Moralising Quotient is: 0.00.

Your Interference Factor is: 0.00.

Your Universalising Factor is: -1.

What do these results mean?

Are you thinking straight about morality?

You see nothing wrong in the actions depicted in these scenarios. Consequently, there is no inconsistency in the way that you responded to the questions in this activity. However, it is interesting to note that had you judged any of these acts to be morally problematic, it is hard to see how this might have been justified. You don't think that an act can be morally wrong if it is entirely private and no one, not even the person doing the act, is harmed by it. The actions described in these scenarios are private like this and it was specified as clearly as possible that they didn't involve harm. One possibility might be that the people undertaking these acts are in some way harmed by them. The trouble is, as you probably realised, that it just isn't clear what form this harm takes. Probably, in your own terms, you were right to adopt a morally permissive view.

How did you do compared to other people?

Taboo has been played 14096 times.

Your Moralising Quotient of 0.00 compares to an average Moralising Quotient of 0.26. This means that as far as the events depicted in the scenarios featured in this activity are concerned you are more permissive than average.

Your Interference Factor of 0.00 compares to an average Interference Factor of 0.16. This means that as far as the events depicted in the scenarios featured in this activity are concerned you are less likely to recommend societal interference in matters of moral wrongdoing, in the form of prevention or punishment, than average.

Your Universalising Factor of -1 compares to an average Universalising Factor of 0.37. Your score of -1 indicates that you saw no moral wrong in any of the activities depicted in these scenarios, which means that it is not possible for this activity to determine the extent to which you see moral wrongdoing in universal terms (i.e., without regard to prevailing cultural norms and social conventions).

For more analysis see link at the bottom of the page.

21st Century Digital Boy · Qualificator Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 34

A man goes to his local grocery store once a week and buys a frozen chicken. But before cooking and eating the chicken, he has sexual intercourse with it. Then he cooks it and eats it. He never tells anyone about what he does, never regrets it and never shows any ill effects from behaving this way. He remains an upstanding member of his community.

Suppose you learn about two foreign countries. In one country, it is normal for people to have secret sex with dead chickens. In the other, people don't in the normal course of events have intercourse with frozen poultry. Are both these customs okay morally speaking or is one of them bad and morally wrong?

…uh.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

Just a thought.. Is there anything more nasty then very old people doing nasty but very normal stuff?
EXTREME FUGLY WARNING!!!1
http://www.mature-galleries.net/dailynewsets/12/index.php?wm=484013
http://www.jointheporn.com/index.php?w=100025&s=NANAFUNK&t=20&tp=02m&st=masturbation
http://www.jointheporn.com/index.php?w=100025&s=NANAFUNK&t=20&tp=03m&st=bates
http://www.tiava.com/pictures/grandma0.php

You are warned, this is VERY VERY nasty.

Do you disapprove of beastiality because you consider it ugly/unormal/nasty or is it due to other reasons? Im not gonna really discuss ethics, Im just curious :wink:

The difference between having a thing about silver beaver as opposed to hot hot dogsex is that the horny grandmas can give their informed (and possibly eager) consent to being vigorously boinked on the dining room table until they're quivering like jelly and can't walk straight, but a dog can't and in IMHO humping it would constitute cruelty to animals.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

First, well said Mitch on grandmas and consent. Some of your older ladies can do it like no one else can and they are generally very into it unlike a lot of younger women who take getting laid for granted. Dogs can't give intelligible consent.

Second, I got:

Taboo - The Results

Results

Your Moralising Quotient is: 0.73.

Your Interference Factor is: 0.60.

Your Universalising Factor is: 1.00.

Here's the thing. If no one else knows, YOU still do, and you need to be able to face yourself honestly, not falsely. Consider furries and their victimhood tendency. Nothing they do is wrong because they lie to themselves and instead blame someone else and in the mirror, try very hard to believe they're okay even though deep down they know they're so very very fucked. The lie covers them from the light of self-scrutiny and so the cancer of their idiocy only grows until someone else is manifestly harmed.

If you can't be honest with yourself, you need to ask why. If you can't be honest with yourself, you can't be honest to anyone else. If you can't be honest with yourself and comfortable with the answers, you need to change the things that cause the answers, not lie and change the answers.

Hence, just because you rationalize a thing hurts no one doesn't make it right without a lot of conscience duct taping. Bestiality types in furry can say what they like. Would it not be ironic for them to one day get their wish to be a furry animal, and then get used as an anal sex toy by some fat fuck who they can't tell to leave off? Sounds like a Tales from the Darkside episode.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Your Moralising Quotient is: 0.50.

Your Interference Factor is: 0.60.

Your Universalising Factor is: 0.00.

Here's the thing. If no one else knows, YOU still do, and you need to be able to face yourself honestly, not falsely. Consider furries and their victimhood tendency. Nothing they do is wrong because they lie to themselves and instead blame someone else and in the mirror, try very hard to believe they're okay even though deep down they know they're so very very fucked. The lie covers them from the light of self-scrutiny and so the cancer of their idiocy only grows until someone else is manifestly harmed.

If you can't be honest with yourself, you need to ask why.

In my opinion, the issue of victimhood ultimatly boils down to thinking that goes something like 'if 'they' are responsible for my problems rather them me, then they're the badguys and I'm innocent and what I'm doing is okay!' . I think it's like this because let's face it, I don't think very many people like to admit they're wrong and the other guy is right and they're the one that needs to make changes (possible major changes) to their life.

Perhaps it's simular to the issue of (to use a fictious example as I don't wana offend anyone in real life) the Ridler in Batman. He's always leaving clues for the Bat and in all honesty, I think he *wants* to get caught, he wants Batman to catch him and take him away, because if he give sup crime on his own free will then in his mind *he* is the badguy, but if Batman and/or the 'the law' stops it, they are the badguy.

How does this apply to furries? In my opinion, I think when they start engaging in behavior that is really hard core deviant (and acknolegding that what consititutes deviant is arbitrary IMO), I think they want someone to step in and say 'enough is enough, this stops now'. Of course, I may be way off, but in my opinion what that type of behavior amounts to is esentually a desperate cry for help, they want to stop but they don't want to be the one that stops themself so to speak, they want someone to stop them, possible so they can call that person the badguy but I think more likley that it's the case of someone saying 'this is wrong' because they deep down know it is but want (or possibly need) someone to tell them it's wrong so they know it's okay to stop.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

some fat fuck who they can't tell to leave off?

Except with their teeth…

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

some fat fuck who they can't tell to leave off?

Except with their teeth…

Ha ha ha... So cool would be THAT headline floating through furry...

"(insert fur here) was taken to (insert memorial hospital here) for treatment of grave wounds to the genitals after being attacked by a dog he was attempting to perform intercourse with."

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

"(insert fur here) was taken to (insert memorial hospital here) for treatment of grave wounds to the genitals after being attacked by a dog he was attempting to perform intercourse with."

Someone said on AFF one time that Lance Rund was bit on his naked ass by someone's pet fox.

Tailgunner · Coadjutor Joined: 28 Oct 2003 Posts: 161

Rofl!

CrazyBomber · Apocrisiary Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 41

Someone said on AFF one time that Lance Rund was bit on his naked ass by someone's pet fox.

Next, on Animal Planet: When foxes attack

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

That morality test was definately NOT objective or neutral. It led the person taking the test, and answering honestly would only contradict you.

It's crap. No sir, I don't like it.