Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Yep. It's official. No longer merely wanting me to "disappear" at a con, Darrel Exline finally has a massive brainfart and is issuing actual death threats towards me over the Internet.

Put bluntly: Michael Hirtes is a blight on the entire world. His
existence should be ended. I only wish it were in my power to do
so... and sooner would be even better.

There is NO ONE as nice, giving, talented, and free of malice toward
others than Paul Kidd. Except for maybe blowing off one or more of
Mickey's late-night fan-stalker phone calls, Paul has NEVER done
anything to deserve the treatment that Michael Hirtes is giving him
now.

Just because Michael makes witch-hunting claims after hearing a single
rumor about the hell Paul is being subjected to in Australia's
infamous "kangaroo court" and because Paul wishes privacy for him and
his family regarding this matter, HIS SILENCE CANNOT BE interpreted as
confirmation of Michael's claims!

MICHAEL HIRTES: YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO HIDE. YOU'VE STEPPED OVER THE
LINE.

You won't know when, or where, or who might be behind it, but one day,
hopefully soon, your life will be cut short, and the rest of the
planet will be able to rest easier.

Go to sleep now, Mr. Troll, it will all be over soon.

And also in the thread, Steve Gallacci replies thus:

Darrel, you stupid fuck. I knew you were an ass before, but outbursts
like that just demonstrate what a clueless mess you are. At least Mike
has the "excuse" of being a mental defective. what's yours?

And of course, Brian O'Connell has to stagger out from underneath the rubbish pile and say:

And yet *I'M* pure evil for bitch slapping "I'm crazy so I don't need to work" SSI parasite Hirtes. Gotta love the dualities of some of these mental deficients who Crush Yiff Destroy supports.

Oh dear God. Teh Drama!

know how anal furries are about typos>

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

From what I've heard over the years, BO'Connell (the "BO" part making him the second most aptly-named individual short of Ben Dunn) has no room to criticize anyone on their work ethic or status of gainful employment.

With the exception of a few truly nutty ones, furries and death threats are like furries and lawsuits. They talk big about how dangerous they are and how they can scare folks with a look because they're a loose cannon and such, but the effort it would take to actually commit such an act is too great.

"Well, I would club you to death with a chalupa right here and now.. but, I'd have to put down my soda, and would be minus one chalupa. Clearly you can see the predicament I'm in."

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

UH OH

Mike, I'd be scared! He's like a SUPER SECRET STEALTH NINJA ASSASSIN, and he'll get you ANYTIME HE WANTS, ANY PLACE HE WANTS! It doesn't matter how fat or unskilled or how far away or how poor or how incredibly dense he is, his SUPER STEALTH POWERS OF THE INTERNET negate all those attributes and turns him into a KILLING MACHINE!!!!!!

You'll be walking down the street one day and BOOM YOU ARE ON THE GROUND AND YOU ARE VERY DEAD!!! This will happen because some sad, whiny, fat intergeek WILLS IT BE DONE.

I'd look out if I were you

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

Oh no, Mike's crossed the line this time! He'd better lock his doors and windows, and keep a loaded gun beside him because he HAS NO WHERE TO HIDE. But seriously, wtf. When have any of us said: "OMG THAT PEDOPHILE IS GUILTY AND SHOULD BE RAPED BY AN ELEPHANT AND THEN BURNED AT TEH STAKE!!1" ?

Pretty much everything said was circumstantial. As in "If he's guilty..." But in fact, there's just so much evidence that just screams "This guy is a pervert" how can you not think he's guilty? Meh. 'Happy wriggles' eh?

Here's some (Made up) stats to comfort you all:
Chance of death threat actually being carried out:

From a Mayhem fan: 5+% chance.
From a furry: 0.05% chance of happening.
From a 2 year old child: 0.04% chance of happening.
From a 'juggalo': 0.0000001% chance of happening.

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

what a fuck

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

As I posted at a.f.f in a rare break for me, if they want Mike, they go through me. My predictions:

1. None will be stupid enough to attempt it.

2. All and sundry will butch up and try to appear tough and unafraid.

3. They will all too conveniently ignore the fact that I am not reading their replies and take that to mean that they beat me intellectually.

I sometimes forget how much fun it is to stir up those stingerless hornets at a.f.f.

BTW, Mike. I'm serious. You're cool with me. Darrel on the other hand has drawn my attentions which is a really bad bad thing. Not that insulting my friend Plush-She at CF was earning him any brownie points...

Shmorky · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 182

Sorry I sat there for a few minutes trying to think of how to respond and all I can say is... what a fuck.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Ooh. I ph34r your super secret cutting over internet techniques.

God, don't these people know how not to take things SO damn seriously?!?

Annoying. Little. Pests.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

As I posted at a.f.f in a rare break for me, if they want Mike, they go through me. My predictions:

1. None will be stupid enough to attempt it.

2. All and sundry will butch up and try to appear tough and unafraid.

3. They will all too conveniently ignore the fact that I am not reading their replies and take that to mean that they beat me intellectually.

I sometimes forget how much fun it is to stir up those stingerless hornets at a.f.f.

BTW, Mike. I'm serious. You're cool with me. Darrel on the other hand has drawn my attentions which is a really bad bad thing. Not that insulting my friend Plush-She at CF was earning him any brownie points...

Behold the latest frothing email I got from another secret admirer:

Date:  Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:25:16 -0700

From:  Bruce Rowe <cheshirkat@earthlink.net>

To:  <addy@deleted.duh>

Subject:  you filthy coward

Really brave of you to attack an innocent man who you
know is on the other side of the planet and can't get at you.
You would do well to remember that there are PLENTY of us
right here in the united states that would gladly inform the
law of your known and proven pedophile collection. And I'm
sure that you wouldn't mind having the cops seize your computer
and ransack your house looking for it. So why don't you just go
crawl back under whatever rock you came out from you bottom
feeding, back stabbing little coward. The next knock on your door
may just be the police.

Awwwwww............don't you just love it when furries try to blackmail people into silence?

Let me answer this doofusaur here for all to read.

1. Filthy? I just came out of the shower.

2. Pedophile collection? Wha?? This is goofy on several levels.

2-a. How have I formed a pedophile collection? Where would I even start?

2-b. How would these dickheads even know if I DID have one?

2-c. If I did have one (and I do not), wouldn't you think these flaming lunatics would have tried to get me ruined LONG before now if they had such evidence that they think they have?

Hooboy! Looks like these mental cases are truly on a jihad against your's truly for daring to speak up against one of their most sacred of cows. Is it my fault that the steaks taste so delicious when smothered in HP Sauce?

And they wonder why furry fandumb is known far & wide as a pack of jibbering cretins. All they need now is some sort of Charles Manson type to rise from amongst their ranks to complete the picture of a pack of misfits gone officially insane.

Yeesh! And they call me a "mental defective". Go fig!

Wayd? Would you like to have the honor of pouring Brucie here a hot cup of STFU?

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

I am remind of highschool...lots of posing, heaps of big talk and attempts at muscle flexing that will probably result in nothing more than insulting the current target of their ire repeatedly with lame witted insults, and then a quick two step away out of reach and congratulating themselves on showing the mean old Hirtes whose boss. :lol:

Is it just me or do some furries never ever get past 15 years old mentally?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Wayd? Would you like to have the honor of pouring Brucie here a hot cup of STFU?

Him and anyone else imbecilic enough to try messing with you. Or anyone else here at CYD. Consider me the well trained pit bull. I will ignore you past the fence but cross the line and you're in my territory.

Like I said, when I went to AC last and the time before that, those who had threatened me online, when they saw my badge and who I was, ran the other way.

It might be natural. Bikers don't mess with me. Fortune 500 execs act respectful. Cops don't take their eyes off me. Street punks in the projects treat me like a fellow homie. Or maybe it's that furries know that unlike all of them, I was trained to do the kind of violence they childishly dream about, and I have a taste for it despite my well-honed sense of regret and contemplation.

I've been warning them for years. Sooner or later, they are going to push things too far and end up flattened if not worse.

Ironically, if word got around enough about Darrel's attitude towards Plush, there's more than enough fanboys who've jonesed for her for years who'd want to be first in line to send Exeline to the emergency room as it is. Furries beating furries. It's priceless. I can't believe it will be too much longer before it happens.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

3. They will all too conveniently ignore the fact that I am not reading their replies and take that to mean that they beat me intellectually.

I sometimes forget how much fun it is to stir up those stingerless hornets at a.f.f.

I refer to those as "fire and forget" posts.... great for getting stuff off of your chest without worrying about the ensuing flame war.

It is rather like kicking over an ant hill. One single swipe from you can send them buzzing about in a tizzy for days.

Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:25:16 -0700

From: Bruce Rowe <cheshirkat@earthlink.net>

To: <addy@deleted.duh>

Subject: you filthy coward

Really brave of you to attack an innocent man who you
know is on the other side of the planet and can't get at you.
You would do well to remember that there are PLENTY of us
right here in the united states that would gladly inform the
law of your known and proven pedophile collection. And I'm
sure that you wouldn't mind having the cops seize your computer
and ransack your house looking for it. So why don't you just go
crawl back under whatever rock you came out from you bottom
feeding, back stabbing little coward. The next knock on your door
may just be the police.

"Known and proven"....... this guy probably knows Hirtes as well as I do.. which is barely. Since I can't confirm or deny the man has a kiddie porn collection, I can hardly assert anything as "known and proven," and neither can this guy.

BUT.... we ARE dealing with furries here. You're talking about people who consider the notion that they are misplaced dragon spirits to be a "known and proven" fact.

The folks are progressively forgetting, too, that if they go far enough with their hate mail and actually threaten Mike, even though we know a furry threat to be idle, they set themselves up for a little bit of trouble.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:25:16 -0700

From: Bruce Rowe <cheshirkat@earthlink.net>

To: <addy@deleted.duh>

Subject: you filthy coward

Really brave of you to attack an innocent man who you
know is on the other side of the planet and can't get at you.
You would do well to remember that there are PLENTY of us
right here in the united states that would gladly inform the
law of your known and proven pedophile collection. And I'm
sure that you wouldn't mind having the cops seize your computer
and ransack your house looking for it. So why don't you just go
crawl back under whatever rock you came out from you bottom
feeding, back stabbing little coward. The next knock on your door
may just be the police.

"Known and proven"....... this guy probably knows Hirtes as well as I do.. which is barely. Since I can't confirm or deny the man has a kiddie porn collection, I can hardly assert anything as "known and proven," and neither can this guy.

BUTE.... we ARE dealing with furries here. You're talking about people who consider the notion that they are misplaced dragon spirits to be a "known and proven" fact.

The folks are progressively forgetting, too, that if they go far enough with their hate mail and actually threaten Mike, even though we know a furry threat to be idle, they set themselves up for a little bit of trouble.

Problem is, furries have gone from aging would-be hippies born too late for the sixties who are mostly harmless to attracting the most degenerate and fucked-in-the-head members of the goth-LARP-fantasy crowd, the kind who collect swords and knives from those Asian decorating stores popping up here and there.

These are the Columbine sort and they already come to furry with:

1. Zero self-esteem
2. Infinite ego to make up for #1
3. Total victimhood
4. Absolute innocence

...and furry only encourages it all the more. They can't hold a job longer than six months, are incapable of writing resumes, view all people in business as secretly conspiring against them(I'm in business and I must have missed the memo ordering me to conspire against them), and the world as only working for a special few who have unfair advantages and access to special knowledge they've been unfairly denied.

A growing number of these twenty-something turkeys are ex-US Army, or US (ch)Air Force, or US Navy, and almost all from techie rear-echelon positions where the military still tolerates idiocy because not a whole lot is riding on them. Almost none are ex-Marines or from the Army front line combat units much less Special Forces. The reason should be obvious.

Still, if you can't make an honorable discharge with an uneventful stint in the military work to your advantage on your resume then you must be a complete idiot. EVERY place I've ever worked has had the same attitude that being so little as a former Navy cook would put you in line for a management position ahead of someone without military experience as it is generally supposed it teaches you discipline, chain of command, etc.

To manage to NOT learn any of that while in the service and then FAIL to use your record to your advantage, and then on top of that, entrench yourself in total self-centered victimhood takes real effort.

In short, pathologically delusional paranoids who need to be taken out of circulation and placed in a controlled environment with people with white coats and lots of really good drugs.

Instead, we watch them accrete in furry. Grow, spread, infiltrate, and infest what was once a harmless jokey hobby. Turn it into ten zillion things other than it is. Prostitute their warped and perverted version of it to the public knowing full well that it will result in the opprobrium that they need to justify themselves after the fact and look like pious martyrs.

And have they learned anything? No.

They act worse than any of the people they accuse of bullying them. They say one thing to your face and another behind your back as was done with Mike, as has been done with me. You'll think they're your friend even as they are slagging you off to all and sundry every chance they get. They delight in getting others to become emotionally and sexually interested in them, and then shooting them down to make themselves feel superior and in control because quite frankly, they've totally abdicated all control in their lives.

Not a year goes by that the Misery Index of Mucks doesn't go up as people pretend to be someone they most certainly aren't to others in an attempt to get them in a position of weakness so they can turn around, break their heart, hurt their feelings, and humiliate them.

Furries spread their sickness like cancer and worse yet spread ill will all willy nilly as if there's no price to pay for their betrayals and backstabbing, for their invective and threats, for their incompetence at being remotely decent people.

And worst of all are those who do not necessarily fit the above, are functional in the world at large, and who out of fear they may be lumped in then go to absurd lengths to march in lockstep with the imbeciles and defend them jealously all the while protesting they aren't like that, and in so doing lump themselves in. By refusing to call their demented misbehaving brethren out to account, they let it fester.

Sooner or later they will see a violent assault at a con as some shit-for-brains with a katana and a Highlander fixation decides to stab or slash someone else, thinking insanely that they are above paying the price for that action. And that will be all she wrote for furry in the public mind.

Again, we who have actually engaged in violence and know all its costs and ramifications and do not fear to finish what others start have warned them. The next move is theirs.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Hey Wayd, I just saw your sig. I have that sticker on my monitor. :)

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

Wayd...

Have you ever met Mike?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Wayd...

Have you ever met Mike?

Is that supposed to be the typical furry fandom "To know Hirtes is to hate Hirtes. If you like Hirtes, then that's proof that you don't really know him." schtick?

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?1320238

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

Alright, Mike...

Have you ever met Wayd?

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Alright, Mike...

Have you ever met Wayd?

No. Am I supposed to?

What is your point?

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

Alright, Mike...

Have you ever met Wayd?

No. Am I supposed to?

What is your point?

My point is this...

I do realize that adversity often does make strange bedfellows, but if I were you... EITHER of you... I'd give a little more thought and excercise a bit more caution before so readily offering my services as a "protector", or accepting such, especially when it involves someone I don't even know on a personal level.

Wayd... From all accounts I've heard, even from sources that I know, so far, to be reputable, Michael isn't a very pleasant person to be around. Is this the type of person you feel is worth your time and effort?

Michael... Wayd has been described, by HIMSELF, mind you, as a "loose cannon" who is not above acting on impulse, at times even violently so. Is this the type of person you want watching your back?

I conclusion, I think it would behoove the both of you to take steps to better get to know the other on a less vicarious level than this newsgroup provides before you get all "buddy-buddy". Failure to do so would indicate a lack of forethought, tact and reason before action.

In other words... You'd be acting like furries.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I dunno about anyone else, but to me, the stuff that goes on on a board, and the relationship that ensue, are pretty much like BSing around a bar table. When Wayd says he has Mike's back, at least in the context here, I figure it's something figurative... not an honest-to-god offer to throw himself on a grenade for Hirtes, but just a show of support.

Nice guy, unpleasant guy, loose cannon, tight end... whatever... I figure it's all pretty much BS until you actually meet a person. The point being, the relationship between two folks like Hirtes and Wayde here, or anyone with anyone else through the net, isn't the same thing as knowing someone in the real world. Warning them against RL pitfalls of banding together online is pretty redundant. I would think most everyone here has the intelligence to recognize the line between RL and OL committments. Sure, there are folks that figure the 'net is "more real than reality" and you "get to know the true person without any masks," but those are the ones running around getting married and knocked up on the mucks.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Alright, Mike...

Have you ever met Wayd?

No. Am I supposed to?

What is your point?

My point is this...

I do realize that adversity often does make strange bedfellows, but if I were you... EITHER of you... I'd give a little more thought and excercise a bit more caution before so readily offering my services as a "protector", or accepting such, especially when it involves someone I don't even know on a personal level.

Wayd... From all accounts I've heard, even from sources that I know, so far, to be reputable, Michael isn't a very pleasant person to be around. Is this the type of person you feel is worth your time and effort?

Michael... Wayd has been described, by HIMSELF, mind you, as a "loose cannon" who is not above acting on impulse, at times even violently so. Is this the type of person you want watching your back?

I conclusion, I think it would behoove the both of you to take steps to better get to know the other on a less vicarious level than this newsgroup provides before you get all "buddy-buddy". Failure to do so would indicate a lack of forethought, tact and reason before action.

In other words... You'd be acting like furries.

No, you're missing the point.

1. I've been in furry and online long enough to more than know of Mike.

2. I've not been one of those snap-judgemental types who follows what friends think and dislike someone because they do. I don't subscribe to that furry transitive friendship thing(sic?) that says the enemy of my friends is my enemy. I managed to stay friends with both Matt Milam and Victry Hyzenthlay when neither could stand the other, most especially the latter who to this day becomes agitated when I mention the former.

3. I'm also not one to fail to pay attention and see through a lot of horseshit. Those who don't pay attention might think that people like Mike are garbage and people like another Mike, Mike Curtis, are godlike. In reality, it's that Mike Hirtes has a good number of points while Mike Curtis blindly defends the status quo and protecting his little audience for Shanda at all costs.

4. I'm not a loose cannon. That implies liable to beat the tar out of people for no reason at any moment. I am in fact trained to beat the tar out of people to the point of room temperature only when needed. Genuine tough people resist starting that last confrontation but do not have a problem finishing it. Darrel Exeline is a loose cannon. I am a well oiled weapon of necessary chaos who'd much rather be sleeping in my hammock with my hat over my face and a glass of scotch on the table next to me.

I don't need to know someone personally to offer my services as protector. If Mike and I happen to be in the same place at the same time, I am not going to sit back and let these cretins make a move on him simply because they don't like his viewpoint and being told the truth about the ugly side of furry which has whipped Mike about. Mike has every right to his view and to post it. If furries don't like it, oh well, they need to grow up and get over it.

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

3. I'm also not one to fail to pay attention and see through a lot of horseshit. Those who don't pay attention might think that people like Mike are garbage and people like another Mike, Mike Curtis, are godlike. In reality, it's that Mike Hirtes has a good number of points while Mike Curtis blindly defends the status quo and protecting his little audience for Shanda at all costs.

What do you base this assumption on?

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

3. I'm also not one to fail to pay attention and see through a lot of horseshit. Those who don't pay attention might think that people like Mike are garbage and people like another Mike, Mike Curtis, are godlike. In reality, it's that Mike Hirtes has a good number of points while Mike Curtis blindly defends the status quo and protecting his little audience for Shanda at all costs.

What do you base this assumption on?

Not an assumption though from your phrasing I AM assuming you'd like to defend Mike Curtis.

Don't bother. Mr. Folksy has repeatedly demonstrated a blind disinterest in any criticism of furry and instead evidenced total lack of knowledge or rather lack of willful responsibility for the behaviour of the people he feeds Shanda to.

I don't care what he thinks about lesbian bears. I do care that he shows a willingness to turn a blind eye to the problems of furry AND THEN defend it and glow in the warmth of adulation over being Mr. Shanda. All he has to do is open his yap and ten dozen slobbering fanboys jump to join his POV even if in private they've been somewhat critical of furry themselves.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I do realize that adversity often does make strange bedfellows, but if I were you... EITHER of you... I'd give a little more thought and excercise a bit more caution before so readily offering my services as a "protector", or accepting such, especially when it involves someone I don't even know on a personal level.

The enemy of my enemy is...............

Paul · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 138

Don't bother. Mr. Folksy has repeatedly demonstrated a blind disinterest in any criticism of furry and instead evidenced total lack of knowledge or rather lack of willful responsibility for the behaviour of the people he feeds Shanda to.

I don't care what he thinks about lesbian bears. I do care that he shows a willingness to turn a blind eye to the problems of furry AND THEN defend it and glow in the warmth of adulation over being Mr. Shanda. All he has to do is open his yap and ten dozen slobbering fanboys jump to join his POV even if in private they've been somewhat critical of furry themselves.

Wayd, how exactly is Curtis responsible for the behaviour of some of his fans? Now, I don't know him or his opinions on furry, I've never read Shanda... so what is it he does wrong and what do you think he ought to do?

Oh, and back OT: As close to a genuine death threat as Exline's "comment" is, I guess ZenZhu is right when he calls it "fire and forget". I mean, Michael's telling us about it, not the police. I could be wrong, I don't know anybody personally in furry circles, but from what I can gather, none of the furries seem capable of actually inflicting bodily harm... all talk and no action.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

I do realize that adversity often does make strange bedfellows, but if I were you... EITHER of you... I'd give a little more thought and excercise a bit more caution before so readily offering my services as a "protector", or accepting such, especially when it involves someone I don't even know on a personal level.

The enemy of my enemy is...............

Sometimes. You're the enemy of some of my friends, at least in their minds, so that doesn't make you mine. I know too much piecemeal from other furs who've been around as long as you to doubt that you've had some rather unpleasant experiences.

I still remember talk about "Furplay" in some very unkind ways years back and thought, "WTF is the reason for this new enemy thing? Hirtes has done exactly what to merit this crap talk?" Near as I could tell, simply differing with them over a POV regarding still someone else's business methods. I can't even remember the offenders now but I see familiar names on a.f.f still.

You're in good company for hatred Mike. While most here haven't been targets at a.f.f, there's plenty of people from early days of furry who've also had the nerve to call it as they saw it and let some dufuses have it for their ways, and they too were excoriated ...after their targets picked their jaws up off the floor because they never thought that their fave would have the mind to think for himself and agree that, yes, the fandom is severely fucked up.

I'd personally love to see more artists, writers, and zine publishers wake up and get it through their heads that ultimately, catering to these clowns is self-defeating as they are only going to drag the whole enterprise and thus profitability down into the Ninth Circle of Hell by their bullshit. Furry cannot thrive economically as long as the crap continues.

Count me as one more writer who's sick of hearing, "can you include my character and have him in a really good lovemaking scene with a centaur?"

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Don't bother. Mr. Folksy has repeatedly demonstrated a blind disinterest in any criticism of furry and instead evidenced total lack of knowledge or rather lack of willful responsibility for the behaviour of the people he feeds Shanda to.

I don't care what he thinks about lesbian bears. I do care that he shows a willingness to turn a blind eye to the problems of furry AND THEN defend it and glow in the warmth of adulation over being Mr. Shanda. All he has to do is open his yap and ten dozen slobbering fanboys jump to join his POV even if in private they've been somewhat critical of furry themselves.

Wayd, how exactly is Curtis responsible for the behaviour of some of his fans? Now, I don't know him or his opinions on furry, I've never read Shanda... so what is it he does wrong and what do you think he ought to do?

I didn't say he was responsible for their behaviours, I said he was responsible for not only acting as though they weren't misbehaving but as though it was cool and okay.

If he doesn't want to take a stand either way, fine. But to actually defend the status quo and watch as the same dipsticks keep popping up to yell their "me too" and he doesn't tell them to stay out but keeps it going...

For laid back take no stand in any direction, I like Jim Hardiman's careful fishfeeding on Yahoo of the most vocal supporters without becoming embroiled in anything having to do with greater furry or ever acting as though the worst excesses of his nastiest fans are okay either. He's simply pretty quiet.

Curtis on the other hand is in my experience a bit full of himself and seems to only get more and more so as time goes by. It's like if one of his cats farts, it's worthy of a post on a.f.f, the usual OT-squad never says a thing, he knows it, and the next time one of the cats cuts the cheese, there's a post.

He's not unaware of the latitude he gets. He should therefore not misuse it to defend furry.

Oh, and back OT: As close to a genuine death threat as Exline's "comment" is, I guess ZenZhu is right when he calls it "fire and forget". I mean, Michael's telling us about it, not the police. I could be wrong, I don't know anybody personally in furry circles, but from what I can gather, none of the furries seem capable of actually inflicting bodily harm... all talk and no action.

They said the same thing about the kids at Columbine. More to the point furries have zero self control all too often, are usually pretty delusional, and many times have no understanding of social logic where the law of the jungle is concerned. Sooner or later they will push things too far and someone will take them apart. I want them to have a very clear unmistakeable warning about it because I DON'T want to see them dead or maimed. Furry doesn't need that because it will permanently stain and inextricably intertwine it with anthropomorphic EVERYTHING.

Also, because despite some peoples' claims to the contrary, I genuinely give a fuck about these furries. They may be mentally defective but so are the kids at Hot Topic at my local mall and I don't want to see them hurt.

(Pained slighly, without leaving marks maybe, but not seriously injured. :) )

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

This whole thread has taken a turn for the messianic.. BURN YOUR YIFF AND BE FREE, WAYD SHALL SAVE YOU WITH HIS ENORMOUS ePENIS; MIKE SHALL BECOME DOCILE AND FRIENDLY! NEWS AT 11... with pie.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

This whole thread has taken a turn for the messianic.. BURN YOUR YIFF AND BE FREE, WAYD SHALL SAVE YOU WITH HIS ENORMOUS ePENIS; MIKE SHALL BECOME DOCILE AND FRIENDLY! NEWS AT 11... with pie.

Ha ha, very funny. :roll:

I don't get why you think that Mike is necessarily such a hot tempered guy. That's the sort of assumption furries make. All the time as a matter of fact. Even ones slowly waking up to realize he's right. Once I might have taken him to task for his ferocity, but not anymore.

Speaking of organ size though (veering over based on this strange Hotmail message from a few days ago), ever note that furries tend to include their character's organ description in detail and size proportional to how likely you'd think the actual fur would never get laid? Some of them take two paragraphs to describe their character's schlong and others will draw them in soul-shattering detail. :shock:

Again, no I will not write your character in having sex with a centaur, a skunk girl, or anything else you'd care to fuck and no, I don't care that your character has a magic prehensile dick and can lick his own balls without bending over. I just can't see a way to A) write that in any way that's enjoyable to read for anyone but you and B) you're making me want to prevent you from reproducing. For fucks' sake the hate you get from that simple reply.

Not you Rankin specifically. You'd probably want me to mention pie. Cherry, apple, blueberry? Heck, now I'm not going to be able to get it out of my head and have to write in some pie somewhere.

DAMN YOU RANKIN! Now I have to go find some pie!

(And no, there will be no noodles in the pie or in the vicinity of the pie. Before anyone goes there.)

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

I've often bake cupcakes with Mike on foggy sunday mornings and i can tell you he's very pleasant :)

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

You know, I find the threats from them amusing to say the least, but on the other hand, I think everyone should update their firewalls. There are a few hackers among them who'd love to plant stuff on people's machines.

But then again, these are t3h phurr4i3z we're talking about. They can talk a righteous hack, but can't back it up outside of an environment everyone knows like MUDs/MUSHes/MUCKs/IRCs/forums.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Oh, and back OT: As close to a genuine death threat as Exline's "comment" is, I guess ZenZhu is right when he calls it "fire and forget". I mean, Michael's telling us about it, not the police. I could be wrong, I don't know anybody personally in furry circles, but from what I can gather, none of the furries seem capable of actually inflicting bodily harm... all talk and no action.

Well, except for Karno anyway, who's known for tasting manflesh. Namely, Schirmeister's (when they got into a slapfight at some furry con a few years back)..

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

I'd personally love to see more artists, writers, and zine publishers wake up and get it through their heads that ultimately, catering to these clowns is self-defeating as they are only going to drag the whole enterprise and thus profitability down into the Ninth Circle of Hell by their bullshit. Furry cannot thrive economically as long as the crap continues.

I can name several people who have left the fandom just for that very reason. Daphne Lage being one that immediately springs to mind. The shit that poor lady had to endure at the hands of these clownshoes is outrageous.

And, the "battered girlfriend" that Brian O'Connell is will NEVER be able to leave the fandom no matter how loudly or how much in a dramatic fashion he does it. Because......well............furrydom's all he's really got. Isn't it?

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I don't get why you think that Mike is necessarily such a hot tempered guy. That's the sort of assumption furries make. All the time as a matter of fact. Even ones slowly waking up to realize he's right. Once I might have taken him to task for his ferocity, but not anymore.

I don't know Mike. All I know is of how he presents himself. Half the time, he's quite intelligent, if not a bit funny with his issues; other times, he's ripe with ridicule. He amuses me. :)

Not you Rankin specifically. You'd probably want me to mention pie. Cherry, apple, blueberry? Heck, now I'm not going to be able to get it out of my head and have to write in some pie somewhere.

DAMN YOU RANKIN! Now I have to go find some pie!

Nah. I prefer to eat my food, rather than have sex with it. How about some Boysenberry, or perhaps Strawberry-Rubarb? Let us all celebrate with pie!

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Hee!

This is what WAYD posted on AFF:

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Darrel, you ARE a stupid clueless fuck as Gallaci put. The "wrong
people"? News flash dipshit. I AM THE WRONG PEOPLE and Mike is just fine
with me. Keep in mind that the person writing this is the only person
you will ever meet in the history of furry who has been in multiple
knife and gun fights and walked away, who gets total instant respect
from bad ass street punks and bikers alike, and who has a tendency to
scare people merely by glancing in their direction with his sunglasses
off.

I keep warning you children that sooner or later YOU will piss off
the wrong person. You live in your furry idiocy, thinking yourselves
superior to everyone, thinking that nothing can touch you. Meanwhile,
the majority of you are unemployed and the majority of those employed
can't hold a job at Kinkos. You dumb fucks are more out of shape than
any other social subspecies on the net and act like you're Superman.
Your knowledge of basic economics is less than that of a six year old
running a lemonade stand. Your understanding of cause and effect pales
in comparison to that of toddlers messing with a light socket.

And for people who imagine themselves to be so in tune with animals,
you display all the knowledge of the law of the jungle of a toaster
oven. Face facts, furries. By and large, with certain exceptions, you're
pathetic excuses for humans. No wonder you don't feel at home among
humans. Humans are predators and you're barely even prey, barely above
grass munched on by sheep. The average child could beat you to a frothy
pulp never mind someone trained to do it.

And you dare to make threats on anyone?

Those of us who cause the local cops to keep their hands on their
weapons during the entire duration of the neighborhood block association
meeting have to stifle our laughter.
-Wayd Wolf
P.S.
My lack of response from this point on, though taken by you armchair
tough guys as meaning you're getting the last word, is due to my
deleting this news group as soon as the post is made. Take my advice
people, remain the pathetic little nothings you've been. Don't cross the
line into a world you're totally unprepared to survive.

He could kill the whole world with his little finger!

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

I'm a big ol' wuss compared to Wayd. I've only taken out five guys at once that had knives and chains. :'(

Rankin · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 488

I'm a big ol' wuss compared to Wayd. I've only taken out five guys at once that had knives and chains. :'(

Personally, I prefer to hit Shift-V. It's harder than hell to win a fight in "Full Throttle" on any machine made after 1994. :(

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

Personally, I prefer to hit Shift-V. It's harder than hell to win a fight in "Full Throttle" on any machine made after 1994. :(

I grew up in a rough ass trailor park, thank-you-very-much. :wink: Though we were only 12-15 at the time.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I prefer a life-restore code, rather than invincibility. At least then if they gang up on you, they could kill you and make you restart the level. But, if you can beat them down enough to enter the code, you don't have to search the level for a health restore.

Seriously, I won't call into question anyone's fighting ability, since I cannot confirm or deny the validity of such claims. Still, we've all heard folks talk big online about what a badass they are that it's hard to take someone seriously when the do bring it up. I worked with a guy that had been in the Navy that claimed to have been victorious in a lot of bar fights, the old "you should have seen the other guy" routine.... and, in all honesty, a pillow could have kicked this guy's ass. So, I won't say anyone here is BSing.... but you can't blame those of us who might hold such claims in disbelief.

Personally, I've been the type to never show up for a confrontation. I've only been in a fight in grade school, when one of my classmates came after my brother for accidentally hitting him in the eyes with a dirt clod a baseball field away. (They were tossing those little clumps of dirt and watching them explode. My little brother tossed one and, from across a baseball field, happened to hit this guy in the eyes... not exactly a planned shot.) He tore after my brother and I did the old, "If you wanna beat up him, you have to get through me." routine. He grabbed me in a headlock, so I bit his arm, spun around, and popped him in the eye. It was interesting watching him offer varied explanations.. such as running in the woods and hitting a tree... for how the class nerd gave him a black eye.

The only other real challenge I had was in high school. The resident redneck and bully was accusing a guy I knew.. not exactly a friend.. but not a bad fellow, of being gay. He turns to me and says "Ain't he gay?" I told him he probably wished he was so he'd have a boyfriend. His next words were, "You... me... right here.... after school." He may still be waiting there for me, who knows.

The only other amusing semi-confrontation anecdote I have was from one Halloween when I was in college. My brother and his friend were dressed as ninjas, and I as Batman (I had modified the components of one of the publically-available costumes based on the Stan Winston Batman costume for the movies... including plating in the gloves and boots, and a few doo-dads in the utility belt). Some frat boys all dressed as Jason from the Friday 13th movies were out bag-snatching. They pulled up in a truck and hopped out saying "We're gonna take Batman's candy." I'm not sure where they figured we had hid any candy, as we had no bags. We were coming back from a costume party, not trick-or-treating. My brother pulls out a pair of nanchaku. His friend displays that the stick he was carrying was a jo... and he knows how to use it (the three of us had been through aikido, and my brother and myself through yoshukai)... and I whip out a star about the size of a dinner plate that had a somewhat bat-esque look to it (hence being used for the costume). In retrospect, carrying those probably wasn't smart if a cop had seen us... though my cape hid the star. But...... it's not as great and mighty as facing down bikers or anything, but watching them scramble back into their truck as we flash a little "come get some" gesture was pretty darn amusing.

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

Good point ZenZhu. How do you know if anyone isn't the proverbial 98 pound weaklings in real life? I may know what I said is true, but you guys may think it's a crock of shit. But that's besides the point. I guess you could say 99% of trash talking online is just that, bullcrap.

Though I was actually cracking a bit of a joke at Wayd's expense. :wink:

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Well, he's supposedly got all the dough... so if our fun can be put on anyone's expense account, it's his.

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

Not an assumption though from your phrasing I AM assuming you'd like to defend Mike Curtis.

Actually, I don't recall ever having met Mike Curtis. What I was attempting to do was to get you and Michael to do a bit of re-thinking as far as your motives. As far as I can tell, the entirety of your knowledge about each other comes through the medium of the internet, which has, time and time again, proven itself to be anything but an objective source.

Still, upon further thought, I realize it's not really any of my business. So by all means, go ahead with your plans of "alliance" if that's what you wish. Who knows? You two may actually click. But click or not, it is and has always been out of my hands.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Actually, the bike combat was the one part in Full Throttle I DIDN'T cheat on. Also: I never had the problem of it running too fast.

Rusty · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 82

Am I the only one here who has never been in a fight or been trained in how to fight? Seriouslly, I don't know the first thing about fighting and have no real interest in actually hurting a person in real life. No idea how I'd react if someone cornered me in real life.

Dogthing · Coadjutor Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 207

Most of my fighting involves insulting people over the internet.

:(

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Am I the only one here who has never been in a fight or been trained in how to fight? Seriouslly, I don't know the first thing about fighting and have no real interest in actually hurting a person in real life. No idea how I'd react if someone cornered me in real life.

Well, mine was just a grade-school fight. Hardly a blip on the radar compared to bar fights and such. I don't go to bars and such, so it's really never likely that I'll ever be in an environment where I'm likely to get into a fight. I take martial arts for fun, rather than preparedness for a fight. Still, it is nice to know you have a sense of how to hold your own and make weapons out of just about anything you can pick up. As Jackie Chan has showed us, even a teddy bear can be of use.. if nothing else than to throw in their face and discract them long enough to get a kick off or something.