Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

I'm asking this like this.

You see, I'm a brand new artist and I do draw hybrid characters (a staple of sci-fi and fantasy) Although I havent posted those sketches yet anywhere.

You see, here is where the question lies.

You think if new artists with an anthromorphic bent came to sites like this, that it would create a new generation of people who aren't as crazy as the phurraies of now?

You think that 20 years from now the refuse in the fandom would be cleaned out and the original "Anthrmorphics and Funny Animals" purpose of the fanom will finally be the purpose of the fandom?

Instead of the deviations, the drama, and the sheer trash today?

Kadius · Coadjutor Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 147

I believe it'll keep spiraling downward as it is right now. Text screwing and multi-donged hermtaurs will become so commonplace and it'll just become boring for most them. Everyone will know what a 'furry' is and it'll turn into a derogitory word like 'fag'. Then it'll either gradually phase out.. I hope.

GoManVanGogh · Coadjutor Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 140

Well, I'm guessing there will ALWAYS be a place for characters that share both human and animal characteristics in popular media.

But this 'furry' stuff is pretty much a lost cause at this point.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

Anthropomorphs are, as you mentioned, as staple of sci-fi and fantasy. Furry is pretty much unsaveable. It is no longer really a fandom of anthros, but a fandom of feeding ones base instincts and fetishes. As long as humans are driven by their urges, furrydom will never be cleaned up, unless every last one became a Buddhist monk or something. It really has kind of gotten to where furrydom isn't about furries. They're just the vague thread that holds the assortment of fetishes and fucked-uppedness together like the spagetti-thin straps on a fat woman's bikini.

Furry has chosen it's path. "Once you choose the dark path.. forever will it dominate your destiny."

On the other hand, if you just keep yourself to the SF and fantasy veins, you might manage to do anthros with impunity.. so long as they don't necessarily dominate your work. Look at the art books of folks like Michael Whelan (sp?) other SF/fantasy artists. Their aliens are typically variations on animals. Almost all of the alien designs in Lilo & Stitch were based off of some animals.... Gaantu was a shark/whale/elephant.. his first mate was a hammerhead shark.. one of his pilots was an armadillo/tapir.

There's plenty of anthropomorphism outside of furry. I'm not sure how it really gets separated, but, a lot of folks don't look at the cover of the Chanur novels and think FURRRRRRYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

Hrm... I've never seen Lilo and Stitch like that. I always thought they were weird funky aliens.

I'm a big reader of Gold Digger by the way. Gotta love were-creatures. Done right, of course.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Anthropomorphs are, as you mentioned, as staple of sci-fi and fantasy. Furry is pretty much unsaveable. It is no longer really a fandom of anthros, but a fandom of feeding ones base instincts and fetishes.

Actually, considering how little sex they actually do and how little the sex they manage is worth doing, they're about NOT feeding of one's base instincts and fetishes and instead only talking about it because actually doing it would mean, ew, being hyooman.

People who go to swing orgies ever week are more together. They don't need funny animals to pervert to get it up. They go right to the main course and finish and that's that. Furries never reach the denoument so it's like those minutes before clothes come off and foreplay begins, dragged out indefinitely and put before all and sundry to make them nauseous.

Furry is all about giving yourself permanent blue balls while appearing on the surface to unload once and awhile some way other than all over your right hand and PC monitor.

So no, other people aren't going to come here any more than into furry itself and want to clean house. We're all just a little misty-eyed that what once seemed so nice has become a total toilet or more to the point, we opened our eyes to see the commode, and we hate to let something we cared for go so easy. Outsiders aren't aquainted enough yet to feel strongly enough to risk guilt by association. They need to become furries and then wake up and leave and join us.

(Evil Dead begin speaking, "Join us... join us... join us..."
Furry runs up screaming, "yiffed by dawn! Yiffed by dawn!"
Chainsaw swings out taking the mask and head clean off.
"Groovy.")

Sorry, that was going through my head.

("We'll swallow your spooge! We'll swallow your spooge!"
Boomstick goes boom.)

I think I was in the sun on a roof too long.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

You think that 20 years from now the refuse in the fandom would be cleaned out and the original "Anthrmorphics and Funny Animals" purpose of the fanom will finally be the purpose of the fandom?

Instead of the deviations, the drama, and the sheer trash today?

It doesnt matter, partly because there already is.

Anthropomorphic animals are everywhere.
People either like them or dont, they are either aware of furry fandom or they arent, if they are they either get involved or stay away.

Less than a half hour ago, I saw a Chevron commercial that had a talking car and 2 dog mechanics doing cylinder head work.. so its not like furry fandom is ever going to actually affect art/media/whatever in any way shape or form. "Furry" really doesnt mean anything to begin with, couple that with the fact most fan works are either too specific (fetish stuff) to be generally published, or that a genuinely good work from a furry fan is still a good work (you dont see it that often, but thats not the point at all). All furry stuff art/cartoons whatever is all anthropomophic. Its the same thing. All the problem exists on the internet with people who preoccupy themselves with such things. No one out in the real world gives a shit...seriously - Either way, for or against.

Charisma · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 158

All the problem exists on the internet with people who preoccupy themselves with such things. No one out in the real world gives a shit...seriously - Either way, for or against.

Definately (if you don't count the cons).
I have never come across the term 'furry' used in that way IRL, EVER.
Its never even been an issue within my real life even though I'm quite involved in alot of furry things online. I just say I like to draw cartoons sometimes and thats that. nobody cares.

When I hear about kids saying that their parents are disowning them or their siblings or friends arn't talking to them, because they explained they were a 'furry', I don't get it. Why should it be an issue unless you're humping the family pet? They're just cartoons or sci-fi/fantasy art for godsake.

ZenZhu · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 475

I would guess that when they come out of the furry closet, they probably reveal a little too much..... as furries tend to do. They probably don't leave it at liking morphs... but probably go into some kind of detail about fantasies, fetishes, lifestyle issue.... something.

m_estrugo · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 160

You think if new artists with an anthromorphic bent came to sites like this, that it would create a new generation of people who aren't as crazy as the phurraies of now?

You think that 20 years from now the refuse in the fandom would be cleaned out and the original "Anthrmorphics and Funny Animals" purpose of the fanom will finally be the purpose of the fandom?

Instead of the deviations, the drama, and the sheer trash today?

If you want to do something wortny to improve the situation, what you've got to do is sit down and draw if applies, and write if applies, too; and be creative, and work, and accept criticism, and show your stuff to other people, and be constant on your efforts, and try to improve, and go beyond, and understand the mechanics behind good storytelling, be it drawn or written, or both, and try to assemble the pieces on an unique, appealing way, for an audience as wide as possible.

This takes years, many years, before you get results, but the reward at the end of the road worths the effort.

Do it, and others may take example, and work to revive the genre. Do it, and your voice will have more weight when you try to point out what' can be done to improve the genre's image.

M0us3_Zero · Coadjutor Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 209

If you want to do something worthy to improve the situation, what you've got to do is sit down and draw if applies, and write if applies, too; and be creative, and work, and accept criticism, and show your stuff to other people, and be constant on your efforts, and try to improve, and go beyond, and understand the mechanics behind good storytelling, be it drawn or written, or both, and try to assemble the pieces on an unique, appealing way, for an audience as wide as possible.

This takes years, many years, before you get results, but the reward at the end of the road worths the effort.

Do it, and others may take example, and work to revive the genre. Do it, and your voice will have more weight when you try to point out what' can be done to improve the genre's image.

Hmm. With people like you, I guess there'd be hope. Thanks for the advice.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

All the problem exists on the internet with people who preoccupy themselves with such things. No one out in the real world gives a shit...seriously - Either way, for or against.

Definately (if you don't count the cons).
I have never come across the term 'furry' used in that way IRL, EVER.
Its never even been an issue within my real life even though I'm quite involved in alot of furry things online. I just say I like to draw cartoons sometimes and thats that. nobody cares.

When I hear about kids saying that their parents are disowning them or their siblings or friends arn't talking to them, because they explained they were a 'furry', I don't get it. Why should it be an issue unless you're humping the family pet? They're just cartoons or sci-fi/fantasy art for godsake.

Well, that wasnt quite what I was getting at

Ok, a good example is that years ago, me and bunch of RL friends and co-workers started playing that online game Ultima Online, anyway , a few of them still play it...I got sick of it years ago and quit. So now when they talk about this game I suddenly get very very bored and desperatly try changing the subject.

Where I am going with this, is that the few times I've mentioned furry fandom or even just cartoon and comics Ive liked to these more nerdy friends I have, they don't want to hear about it. It bored the shit out of them almost immediatly.

So the end result is now, once in a while a few of my friends will make cracks to me about 'rabbit porno' or 'pink bunny costumes' (they don't really know anything about fury because, again they didn't care, didn't want to hear about in the first place...they have an absolute minimal level of knowledge of the subject) and I make fun of them for being vidiots or D&D nerds...none of us care about each others geeky hobbies that we do not have in common, so it almost never comes up. And why would it?