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Quatrewolf
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Posted: 6/16/2004 7:57:52 AM     Post subject: Longtime lurker,first time poster  

Are furries insensative?

I tried to be nice to one,Ebon Lupus on DeviantArt.

After reading his poem about meat,I reponded with this:

And I tried to be nice earlier,with just an opinion on his take on human's way of seeing meat and a wolf's way of seeing meat: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8057225/


<i>My comments:Question?

Even though I agree with the handling of our meat is wrong,as Iam somewhat of a wolf.

I don't think the actual wolves have this religious thing as sarcafice.
They may not kill in the horrible way that humans who that have factories do. But they don't care for the deer in a loving or hateful way either.

The deer are just that.food,not family or cousins or brothers,just food.

They do it without hate or love,just like what humans probably did before civilization

His comments:That's a question? Sounds like an opinion to me. I have my information from a reliable source, but you are free to believe what you like to believe. Let me know when you write your own poem that expresses it.

My comments:Please dog,I wasn't trying to change your opinion.
I just said mine in a wolf fashion.
No need to act like a pup about it.</i>

Hey....I didn't yell at you or anything,why the insult at the end?:/

With people like that,you can tell they are hiding something or not telling the truth,IMHO

I was wondering why some furries act like this?

by the way,I pretended to be a wolf,if I been myself after his recent drama,he WOULD insult me because of that
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Posted: 6/16/2004 8:20:48 AM     Post subject:  

Is this the same ebon lupus, the 'dog-fucking trainwreck'?

For some reason the idea of a furry writing a poem about meat strikes me as really really funny. I skimmed over the poem and I would basically agree with the overall sentiment if not for the source.

I think his reaction to your comment (which I agree with what you said) was nothing out of the ordinary. I mean, this is a furry artist on DeviantArt...a site that had to enact policy changes because of two large groups' behaviour (furry and anime/manga artists)
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Posted: 6/16/2004 9:07:58 AM     Post subject: Keep me away! Keep me away!  

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/4317532/55804748

He commented on my artwork(a rather old and ugly one) and....now I regret talking to him,he fucking scares me now! :shock:

I hope to God...and I mean that,that he doesn't friend me back!

If he does,I'll abandon my account! :evil:
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Posted: 6/16/2004 9:16:24 AM     Post subject:  

Heh... heheh.. Hah.. hah-hah Hah! Bwuahahahahahahahaha... ahahahahaha~!
/evil laugh.

Yes, every freak of nature has an account on deviantart.
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Posted: 6/16/2004 2:10:35 PM     Post subject:  

That's a question? Sounds like an opinion to me. I have my information from a reliable source, but you are free to believe what you like to believe. Let me know when you write your own poem that expresses it.

What is this, DeviantJeopardy?

"I'm sorry, you didn't state your opinion in the form of a poem. I'm afraid I can't accept that."
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Posted: 6/16/2004 2:46:54 PM     Post subject: He is still talking to me.....  

You can tell now he's a scary fuck:http://comments.deviantart.com/1/4317532/55807430
What? Humans? Well... some have beautiful inhuman souls... but most are just funny looking airless monkeys with ugly ears and long stringy hair growing in all the wrong places. They constantly have to douse themselves in water and dump perfume all over their weak putrescent bodies so they don't smell like a corpse. Then the female's gob makeup all over themselves because they know they're ugly and pretend to look better than what nature made; fake and artificial is the human way. They're totally insecure about their own or other animals bodies and sexuality and live in their heads so that fairytales become more important to them than reality. Everywhere they pollute the water, earth, and air... they breeding like contagion and drive all other beautiful beings out of their habitat. They kill for the simple pleasure of it... even their own kind. Then carve these huge smoking, tar-riddled, oily wounds in the earth and proudly call them their homes. If you ask me the whole species should be culled back by about 6 billion head because they're destroying the earth and are too stupid to take responsibility for the environment and the other creatures who share it... because they are selfish and greedy and don't care about anything but their own comfort and fuck everything else.




I rather stay away from this guy now,I regret even commenting on his post. To say that,I think one thing will be said about him,Atleast,he won't be breeding,because you can't pop out crossbreds between a human and a dog....not to mention the guy is 41 years old.

When furries start to act like this,I think that they need to be rushed to the nearest mental hospital,because I fear these people might become murderers oneday. :shock:

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Posted: 6/16/2004 3:48:31 PM     Post subject:  

I doubt this guy would turn into a murderer, as that would involve effort on his part. You see a lot of furries like this. They talk crap about the human race and modern society and all..... all from the comfort of their air conditioned homes with DSL connections scarfing down McDonald's and just generally feeding off of the things they claim to hate so much. They putter about town in cars that are belching out fumes because the dough they should have spent on repairs went to some huge furry porn spending spree at the last con.

These folks are the biggest hypocrites of them all. All of the things they claim to hate so much about humanity are the very things they would bitch about not having if you plopped them in the middle of the woods and told them to show us all how to lead a more Earth-friendly life. Basically, they hate humans because they hate themselves. Since they're human, and they hate themselves, all humans earn their loathing by default, and you get this kind of projection where "It's not me that's the problem.. it's them!"

These people talk a good talk about their concern for the woes of the world, but don't have the cajones to get up off of their ass and make a difference in this world by getting degrees in sciences and such where they can work to engineer cleaner fuels, or put us one step closer to being able to synthesize meat. No, they just eek out a living being tech support or a photo developer and all while they write their little heart-felt poems about the nobility of the wild and shit. All writing poems is going to do is use up paper which is, of course, a natural resource.

They'd be at a total loss without human society, and that just burns them up. Their "furry lifestyles" are so dependent on the conveniences of human society that they're almost more the problem than humans that are actually out there trying to make a difference. The choose to go against humanity, rather than trying to move humanity forward toward a future where we're not doing the very things they complain about.

They protest the electric fence by taking a piss on it.
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Posted: 6/16/2004 11:02:35 PM     Post subject:  

DeviantArt is a meling pot of Artists, Geniuses, Crackpots, Crazies, and Eccentrics.

It also has it's share of sensitive and nutter furries.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 12:18:16 AM     Post subject:  

"The earth would be a much more beautiful place without them. "

Not really,they have a right to live here,just like the rest of us.

Yes,they'll probably kill themshelves,but they have a right to exist just like anyone else.

Not all are bad and not all are good......the bad need to go,but the good can stay,can they?

You don't want to group the good ones with the bad ones.
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Deviant: *Ebonlupus (#55954405)
Date: Jun 16, 2004, 7:38:03 PM

What right is this? Where did this right come from? who granted it? most Humans don't think Wolves have the right to live here. They've killed damn near all of them and a huge movement is underway to kill the rest.

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Salve, Woof, & OM
Ebonlupus : o~


Deviant: ~Quatrewolf (#55957926)
Date: Jun 16, 2004, 7:57:44 PM

Well,not all...I have some human friends who believe the wolves,tigers and other endangered species have the right to live.

They donated some money to wildlife funds and other things of relation.

I believe that to hate a whole species is wrong,because there are good humans outthere. To hate a whole species makes one no better than the worst that are outthere in this world.

Just look past the bad ones(they'll get theirs oneday),not all humans hate wolves.

The key to make a better world with a human bodies is to go out and do something about it,I volunteered at nearby woodland areas to clean up and this year I'm thinking of writing a letter.<---take that,bitoch! :twisted:

Just now,in a recent newspaper,humans are now finding about earth's condition is terrible. I think it finally came to their heads that they need to stop polluting and start getting their act together.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 1:11:46 AM     Post subject:  

I doubt this guy would turn into a murderer, as that would involve effort on his part. You see a lot of furries like this. They talk crap about the human race and modern society and all..... all from the comfort of their air conditioned homes with DSL connections scarfing down McDonald's and just generally feeding off of the things they claim to hate so much. They putter about town in cars that are belching out fumes because the dough they should have spent on repairs went to some huge furry porn spending spree at the last con.

These folks are the biggest hypocrites of them all. All of the things they claim to hate so much about humanity are the very things they would bitch about not having if you plopped them in the middle of the woods and told them to show us all how to lead a more Earth-friendly life. Basically, they hate humans because they hate themselves. Since they're human, and they hate themselves, all humans earn their loathing by default, and you get this kind of projection where "It's not me that's the problem.. it's them!"

These people talk a good talk about their concern for the woes of the world, but don't have the cajones to get up off of their ass and make a difference in this world by getting degrees in sciences and such where they can work to engineer cleaner fuels, or put us one step closer to being able to synthesize meat. No, they just eek out a living being tech support or a photo developer and all while they write their little heart-felt poems about the nobility of the wild and shit. All writing poems is going to do is use up paper which is, of course, a natural resource.

They'd be at a total loss without human society, and that just burns them up. Their "furry lifestyles" are so dependent on the conveniences of human society that they're almost more the problem than humans that are actually out there trying to make a difference. The choose to go against humanity, rather than trying to move humanity forward toward a future where we're not doing the very things they complain about.

They protest the electric fence by taking a piss on it.



Yes,I agree!

I get my butt outthere and volunteer,not much furries wouldn't be bitching so much if they actually got off their fat ass and do something to save their favorite animals.

It's better to not spout out shit if your not gonna do anything about it!
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Posted: 6/17/2004 1:31:22 AM     Post subject:  

I have so many mixed feelings of Ebon Lupus.

On one hand, he thinks 'outside the box' and challenges societies usual way of thinking, but then again, he's a 41 year old man who fucks dogs and thinks 6 billion people should be culled.

Hmmmmmmm. But its fascinating at least.

When I first came accross him I was confused.

Then I spoke to him.

Then I felt he was a nice guy who cared about animals.

THEN I realised he cares for animals waaaay before humans

Then it dawned on me that he's the first person I've come accross that could actually be called prejudice against humans!

I find it a bit unfair that he doesn't count himself as an 'ugly hairless ape' because he has a wolf spirit or some shit. Poor guy must have gone through something that triggered these bizarre beliefs though, right?
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Posted: 6/17/2004 3:32:04 AM     Post subject:  

I find it a bit unfair that he doesn't count himself as an 'ugly hairless ape' because he has a wolf spirit or some shit. Poor guy must have gone through something that triggered these bizarre beliefs though, right?


Not necessarily. Some people are just totally fucked to start with.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 4:12:28 AM     Post subject:  

Meh, he's just another brain-fucked little man put on Earth for our amusement. But, hey, he's doing a good job at what he's here for!
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Posted: 6/17/2004 4:59:18 AM     Post subject:  

Why is anyone even giving this EbonLupus dude the time of day? He's so far gone it eclipses funny. He not just draws wolves fucking, but goes out of his way to make them the non-talking kind, and on top of that (just to make everything CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR HERE FOLKS) molests pets. He radiates severe mental dysfunction with such intensity as to illuminate depths of the internet barrel previously unknown to science.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 5:10:07 AM     Post subject: your right...  

I heard of his drama and instead my usual when Tigerwolf acted like an ass. I tried to reason with this nutjob.

But alas,he goes on and on about "Durr,all humans need to die","The earth would be peaceful without them" and of course,my favorite,"Who,what,where? What rights do humans have to live whilst they are wolves being killed because humans don't give them rights and now,some are about to kill the rest!"

What the fuck?!

What armaggedden of wolves is this fuck talking about?!


Man,this guy is so fucked up and frigging scary..that I don't think he's human anymore...... :shock:

Can we hunt him,now? :twisted:
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Posted: 6/17/2004 5:41:43 AM     Post subject: Re: your right...  

What armaggedden of wolves is this fuck talking about?!


Search a random furry livejournal. You'll find one of millions of scenarios.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 8:13:53 PM     Post subject: Re: your right...  

What armaggedden of wolves is this fuck talking about?!

He's probably referring to the very outdated mass-killing you have of many animals, wolves included, during the settler days... when folks didn't think about the fact that wiping out a species was a bad idea, no matter how much you disliked them. He's probably also obsessing on the small population of ranchers and such that feel the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

He's completely overlooking the way humans are expanding our understanding of the ecosystem these days, and that every day, fewer and fewer people support the "oppression of his bretheren."

Overall, though, he's just a fucktard who obviously has issues with himself, and has chosen to avoid confronting those issues by convincing himself he isn't human, and therefore isn't subject to human foibles. He's a delusional hypocrite that doesn't see that calling for the genocide of the human species is the same "kill 'em all" thinking he's accusing humans of having for wolves.... not to mention that wiping out the human race would include his own demise.

Notice, too, he fixates on wolves, when there are so many more people that would be just as happy if pigeons were wiped out.
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Posted: 6/17/2004 10:02:53 PM     Post subject: Re: your right...  

Notice, too, he fixates on wolves, when there are so many more people that would be just as happy if pigeons were wiped out.


Can we suggest certain groups of humans? What about the punks who slouch to their extreme right while driving with their right arm across their chest holding the steering wheel with their left hanging over the door while bobbling their heads like dashboard dolls and their stereos pumping at levels sufficient to cause turbulence for aircraft?

Or maybe just furries who fuck dogs? Can we obsess about dragging them down the street on their face from the back of a car? Or would that be wrong?
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Posted: 6/17/2004 10:24:20 PM     Post subject: Re: your right...  

Can we suggest certain groups of humans? What about the punks who slouch to their extreme right while driving with their right arm across their chest holding the steering wheel with their left hanging over the door while bobbling their heads like dashboard dolls and their stereos pumping at levels sufficient to cause turbulence for aircraft?

You mean the Uh-Oh Oreos?........ black on the inside, skinny-ass white boy on the outside? :D

"Crusin' in his pinto, he sees homies as they pass. But if he looks twice theyr'e gonna kick his lilly ass....... an' all the girlies say he's pretty fly, for a white guy."
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Posted: 6/18/2004 12:01:28 AM     Post subject:  

I was thinking.

If he's saying he's a wolf-incarnate, isn't that a bit convenient?
I mean, there are billions of life forms on this planet that we could be reincarnated from (if we assume his beliefs were true for a second).

Wjat I mean is, how come he doesn't have a fruit fly spirit? woodlouse? trout? bacteria?
Isn't a bit lucky to be something as good as a wolf?
Sounds like a bit of a strange ego-boost to me.
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Posted: 6/18/2004 2:35:29 AM     Post subject: Re: your right...  

He's completely overlooking the way humans are expanding our understanding of the ecosystem these days, and that every day, fewer and fewer people support the "oppression of his bretheren."


God forbid,he would actually listen to someone who isn't 'a wolf inside' without insulting them.

Overall, though, he's just a fucktard who obviously has issues with himself, and has chosen to avoid confronting those issues by convincing himself he isn't human, and therefore isn't subject to human foibles. He's a delusional hypocrite that doesn't see that calling for the genocide of the human species is the same "kill 'em all" thinking he's accusing humans of having for wolves.... not to mention that wiping out the human race would include his own demise.


B-but,he's not a ugly,stinky ape! :lol: So he won't be killed...wait a minute!

Yes he does!:http://art.tailhole.org/gallery/dogs/consumed <---not work safe!


Not to mention,he thinks wolves respect and worship thier prey..


Pfft! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



What hippie bullshit! ...and the fucker says he's got reliable sources!

This absoutely is a kick to my face,I researched wolves for 9 years and no where in the hell does it say that wolves are aware of how much deersies they kill. :P

by the way,when I mention I actually did stuff to help the local woodlands,he finally shut up.
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Posted: 6/18/2004 5:47:59 PM     Post subject:  

I was thinking.

If he's saying he's a wolf-incarnate, isn't that a bit convenient?
I mean, there are billions of life forms on this planet that we could be reincarnated from (if we assume his beliefs were true for a second).

Wjat I mean is, how come he doesn't have a fruit fly spirit? woodlouse? trout? bacteria?
Isn't a bit lucky to be something as good as a wolf?
Sounds like a bit of a strange ego-boost to me.

This is one of the things that always stuck in my craw about furries. The "misplaced spirit" folks are always wolves, assorted large cats, dragons, and the occasional bear or horse or something. They're always powerful, "noble" animals. You never see someone claiming they're a misplaced pangolin spirit, or a reincarnated sea cucumber..... furries would probably have a heart attack if they learned their totem under the generalized Native American zodiac is a salmon (which is my case) and not at least cute like a woodpecker or beaver.

I think it's pretty much the furry equivalent of "I'm okay. You're okay" psychobabble like looking in the mirror and telling yourself you're a good person and crap like that to boost your ego and self-esteem. Unfortunately, instead of looking at themselves as they are and developing a good sense of self-esteem around that, they create this fictitious persona that embodies what they wish they were. So, they're really just trying to feel good about themselves, but they're doing it by convincing themselves their illusion is reality. It's the furry psychological and/or emotional equivalent of getting breast implants or something. I figure that's one reason the foundations of their world can be so easily rocked, which gets them in a tizzy so easily.... because much of what they perceive to be as reality is built on a foundation of nothing... like building a house on free-flowing sand.

Lately, the more I observe the antics of furries.... especially the ones with the "icky hy00man" mindset... the more I see that, in their attempt to be less like the humans they so dislike, they are really indulging in behaviors that are all too human. There is a philosphy I came across a long time ago that is probably common in many things... but in my case, I came across it while reading a book on the history and philosophy of ninjutsu.

The philosophy can be summarized like this:
A weakness that is denied remains a weakness. A weakness that is recognized becomes a strength.... not literally a strength, but the knowledge of that weakness allows one to overcome or compensate for it. For example, say you've got a powerful right-hook, but a lousy left-punch. You know if you try to punch with your left hand, you just won't be as effective as if you attacked with your right. If you deny this, you remain sucky on your left side. If you know it, however, you know to train harder on the left, improving your strength and coordination or, at least try not to let your opponent on your left side.

In saying "I'm not hy00man! I'm a wolf!" all a furry does is deny that they are subject to the foibles of Mankind. In denying this weakness, they cannot expect to live up to their potential as a human. If they would just admit they're human and that humans can be arrogant, selfish, self-deluding, and hateful..... then strive to be humble, generous, observant of the real world, and loving.... they overcome typical human weaknesses. But, when grappling with one's identity in the face of humanity's failings, to deny one's true nature and insist that you are a wolf or tiger instead is one of the most human things you can possibly do.

I dare say that if you put a furry like Ebon Lupus in a room with 20 reasonably average hy00mans, the furry is the one out of all of them most subject to humanity's shortcomings.
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