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Posted: 6/28/2004 4:37:39 PM     Post subject: Something I don't understand  

I don't really have any problems with the beliefs that some Furries hold that they are reincarnated animals.My problem lies in the fact that they often take their totem animals,something I'd think would be sacred to them,and draw them in compromising positions.
If I thought I was either A ) a wolf or B ) believed to have a wolf as a guardian spirit then seeing a picture of my Totem taking it up the ass from a leopard with a six foot cock would anger me to no end.But rather than be offended,these people actually enjoy this stuff.That's the biggest reason why I tend to think most of these animals in a human body types are full of shit.
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Posted: 6/28/2004 5:15:38 PM     Post subject:  

Drawing their "totem animal" in furry porn doesn't bother them because their whole concept of totems is full of crap. They don't actually seek out their totem animal as described in shamanistic religions. All they do is find an animal they think is cool and that makes them feel good to think of themselves as and lay claim to it in the name of their ego. A lot of what you see surrounding the mythos/practices of totem animals suggests they choose you, rather than vice versa. But, furries just go "I like tigers... tigers are cooooooooool. My totem animal is therefore.... A TIGER!"

Furries also bastardize the idea of a totem animal by confusing it with that of an avatar. In most definitions I've encountered, a totem animal is like a guardian or guide. It doesn't so much actively direct your life as serve as a guide to learn from. What most furries claim as a totem animal is more of an avatar.. an animal they've selected to represent them. For example, say Joey is an avid runner. He's a great distance runner, so he's pretty lean. He might choose a cheetah as an avatar. Jane is extraordinarily tall.. so maybe she chooses a giraffe as an avatar. So, with the avatar, we have a combination of an animal the person may like and an animal the person feels is something of a caricature of their human traits.

Furries, however, take this shallow, whimsical use of an animal and convolute it into some form of pseudo-spiritualism. They convince themselves that this animal they simply like is some kind of divine force in their life, when, really, it is no more mystical than their choice of interior design or music. They haven't gone through the trials most shamanistic religions I've encountered outline for seeking ones totems... they simply picked an animal they liked as if it were a coffee mug or a souvenir from their trip to the zoo.

Not only does depicting their "totem animal" in furry porn bastardize the very concept of the totems, but depicting them in general... from most of what I've read... goes against shamanistic sensibilities. A person may display artwork or such of the animal that is allegedly their totem.... like maybe having a cougar sculpture on your desk if your totem is a cougar. But that's considered a way of honoring the spirit. The thing you don't do.. again, from what I've simply read... is go broadcasting what your totem is. If you have a gecko totem, you don't go around telling folks "My totem is a gecko." That supposedly pisses the spirit off and they may abandon you. So, if anything, drawing yourself as your supposed totem animal is contrary to what you should be doing... let alone depicting it in porn.

The other thing I've encountered is that no one typically has one totem through their life. There may be a time in your life when you have a wolf guide.. another when you have a heron guide... another when you have a salmon guide... etc. It supposedly depends on what you need help with in your life and which animal spirit has chosen to help you out.

So, basically, it's not compromising their respect for their "totem" when they draw their wolf character sucking off a bison.... because the basis for why their totem is what it is typically complete bullshit. Their "totem" isn't some divine guide they came in touch with through spiritual discipline.. it's just an animal selected out of an A-to-Z book of the animal kingdom to make the user feel good about themselves and gain a little fame in the furry pornster circles. They may tell you it's linked to their spiritual beliefs, but it's not. Often, these peoples' so-called "spiritual beliefs" are nothing more than a random assortment of concepts cut-and-pasted from other religions and jumbled together to create some form of pseudo-spirituality that, again, provides them with what they need to feel good about themselves without the heavy burden of consequences for their actions that those religions they borrowed from include, but are conveniently ignored.

It's kind of like how there seems to be a number of self-proclaimed Wiccans these days... when, really, they're just kids who watched The Craft too many times. Their "beliefs" don't make them Wiccan any more than sticking a pin in a plushie makes me a Voodoo priest.
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Posted: 6/28/2004 5:21:24 PM     Post subject:  

I think the truth is that many furries finjd pussy entirely out of reach, so while their guide gets the dick, er, pussy, they, themselves, get some of the aurial spoo.

Truth be told, if they weren't so pretentious, they'd admit to enjoying the concept of animals fucking, and the pseudo-Wiccan-Egyptian-Fa-fa crap was just a piss-poor cover.
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Posted: 6/28/2004 5:46:04 PM     Post subject:  

Both very good points.

One would think that if furries were truly interested in animal spirituality they would take the time to research it thoroughly before making such wild claims.Then again,from all I've read and seen of furries,such initiative isn't really their strong suit.
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Posted: 6/28/2004 11:19:23 PM     Post subject:  

So you mean to tell me they carve out a log in the shape of an animal, bore out holes in the right places, and defile it?
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Posted: 6/29/2004 12:13:16 AM     Post subject:  

So you mean to tell me they carve out a log in the shape of an animal, bore out holes in the right places, and defile it?


Probably.If they'll fuck plushies then they'll fuck anything.
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Posted: 6/29/2004 12:37:54 AM     Post subject:  

I don't really see a problem with those fuckable plushies. Sure they're weird to society, but its really just a sex toy like any other. Its the intentions behind it that can sometims be quite disturbing.

I thought of myself as a reincarnated cat furry from a place called Rainbow Land in the sky when I was FIVE. I think that people who believe things like that may do it to escape their own reality, much like children do when they play. There's nothing wrong with this, But when you're thirty years old and still can't define a clear line between make-believe and the real world, there's problem.

OR, I could be totally wrong and the Theriantropes are totally right. They are special noble animals born again in a human body as punishment.

I know that Ebon Lupus says he draws wolves performing sexual acts because he's a wolf and finds other wolves attractive.
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Posted: 6/29/2004 12:49:31 AM     Post subject:  

Sure these people are off their rockers..=) But then again.. there is so much unexplained...

As we grow old we lose the ability to see other levels of excistance.=)
Kids talk to imaginary friends.. maybe they are real and the peer pressure makes us lose the ability to see..=)

Open minds don't do well in our cruel world.
Ya know... just mentioning... =)

I'd freak out if I saw spirts.. wolves or me late granma. =)
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Posted: 6/29/2004 1:41:29 AM     Post subject:  

More good points.
I do try to keep an open mind.I'm not opposed to the idea that some of them may well be right.I just don't think any of the "Furverts" responsible for spooge art and fuckable plushies are among them.I have to believe if they really and truly felt in their heart of hearts that they were spiritually connected with animals,then they wouldn't use their likenesses as masturbatory tools.
Those I've spoken to who truly seemed sincere about their beliefs wouldn't have been caught dead near any of that.It sickened them just as much as it would any "mundane"
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Posted: 6/29/2004 8:27:14 AM     Post subject:  

Sure these people are off their rockers..=) But then again.. there is so much unexplained...

As we grow old we lose the ability to see other levels of excistance.=)
Kids talk to imaginary friends.. maybe they are real and the peer pressure makes us lose the ability to see..=)


We see new levels of existence, as we grow older.

For example, when I was tiny I couldnít see over our garden fence.

But now I am taller, I can see over our garden fence and I Can see into the neighbourís garden.

Thus do I gaze upon a new level of existence.


I'd freak out if I saw spirts.. wolves or me late granma. =)


Eh, Just drink them. Many spirits go well with Ice and water.
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Posted: 6/29/2004 8:17:35 PM     Post subject:  


OR, I could be totally wrong and the Theriantropes are totally right. They are special noble animals born again in a human body as punishment.


Well it sure is a punishment to be born into THOSE human bodies!
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Posted: 6/30/2004 5:02:36 AM     Post subject:  

You know it just makes me want to smack some of these furries hard when I see them parading around a list of about 10 odd 'noble spirit guides'.

No kidding I've actually met people whose 'spiritual guides' are not only told to everyone but whose list reads like a top ten most popular animals list.

Furrys don't seem to have registered the unlikelihood of anyone having more than one spirit guide at any one time.

I myself have a guide, I won't say what it is since I don't have permission but I can say that it did surprise me until I thought about it and realised that it did fit me very closely.

It always amazes me how great the gap between most furry's and their 'spirit guide' is.
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Posted: 6/30/2004 9:05:29 AM     Post subject:  

You know it just makes me want to smack some of these furries hard when I see them parading around a list of about 10 odd 'noble spirit guides'.

No kidding I've actually met people whose 'spiritual guides' are not only told to everyone but whose list reads like a top ten most popular animals list.


I like to call these idiots Fur-of-the-Month Club members. I knew this one idiot that had no less then 5 spirit animals. Two of them because he was trying to get into the pants of guys who thought they were that animal.

Just makes you want to see how far they will go.
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Posted: 6/30/2004 1:14:58 PM     Post subject:  


I like to call these idiots Fur-of-the-Month Club members. I knew this one idiot that had no less then 5 spirit animals. Two of them because he was trying to get into the pants of guys who thought they were that animal.

Just makes you want to see how far they will go.


The maximum I've run into was one person with 10 including two conflicting spirit guides that would cause total turmoil in a life if you put them together :roll: They don't seem to think about that either.
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Posted: 6/30/2004 2:19:02 PM     Post subject:  

Most of what I've read suggests people have roughly 5 at any one time. There's the primary guide, and then a few others that may flit in and out as needed. But all of my knowledge is based solely on what I've read instead of any experince with that sort of thing. I do have certain animals I seem to see a lot when I have big questions on my mind, but I attribute that to coincidence and my mind grasping at straws.

Furries, though, pretty much wear their "animal totems" like a fashion statement..... like one of those hideous mottled, garment-dyed shirts with the wraparound prints of wolves, wild horses, jungle animals, or manatees (the ones on the shirt, not in them). They pick something that makes them feel cool and decide that's their "totem." Any wonder why you see so many tigers and wolves, and no anoles or rhinocerous beetles as totems?
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Posted: 6/30/2004 8:06:31 PM     Post subject:  

That is a good question.How come there are no cockroach Furries for instance? I've heard some Furs explain it away by saying that only specific animals have the power to become spirit guides.That sounds like a load of crap to me.
but what really irritates me is the idea that they choose these animals based on what they think is cool,rather than what holds deep personal meaning to them.It seems like a slap in the face to those who really genuinely care about these animals,or those who might actually have them as spirit guides.
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Posted: 7/1/2004 4:15:54 AM     Post subject:  

That is a good question.How come there are no cockroach Furries for instance? I've heard some Furs explain it away by saying that only specific animals have the power to become spirit guides.That sounds like a load of crap to me.
but what really irritates me is the idea that they choose these animals based on what they think is cool,rather than what holds deep personal meaning to them.It seems like a slap in the face to those who really genuinely care about these animals,or those who might actually have them as spirit guides.


There are. Uncle Kage is a cockroach, and the chairman of AnthroCon. He's aparrently a rather intelligent guy, but as far as I see it, just another RP nerd like my ex roomie with issues.

However, many choose their "spirit guides" as another picks wallpaper, as stated before. My character was/is a raccoon, as I've always loved raccoons. However, I seemed to get along with folks who played canids the best.

Folks trying to come up with any three cent story about why they are what they are, without admitting it's either for RP, TinySex, or other purposes is just trying to hide something. Most in the fandom these days are in it to anonymously typefuck. It's most likely not because their guides suggest they hit the whorehouse, either. ;)
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Posted: 7/1/2004 2:35:38 PM     Post subject:  

A lot of them claim... I stress claim their selection has deeper meaning but, as Rankin aptly described it, most pick their animal like someone might pick wallpaper. And, as I mentioned, a lot of furries confuse the idea of a totem animal with an avatar. One being akin to a spirit guide, the other being like an animalized caricature of yourself. And even then, they tend to go with what the flavor-of-the-month is, or just what they perceive to be cool in general... hence why you see a lot of buff wolf "totems" with a 32-inch waistline being the "true" form of someone that would be best represented by Jabba the Hutt.

Usually when I caricatured someone as an animal, I tried to go with a combination of their personality and physical appearance. I tried to use an animal for a person that others would be able to say "Yeah, I can see where you got that from." rather than "Why the heck did you draw Joe as an otter?"

In a way, I sometimes envied the folks whose ego would allow them to convince themselves that some "noble" or ultra-cool animal was a fitting reflection of themselves, since I had always had so much trouble selecting one for myself. After reading a rather detailed book on the Chinese zodiac, which had information way beyond the blurb you see on a placemat at a Chinese buffet, I figured my sign.. the boar.. was a pretty good summation. The personality attributed to "boar people" in the Chinese lore fit pretty good, and, being built like a linebacker (not buff, but naturally muscular and broad-shouldered)... but not thinking of myself as handsome... the idea of a boar fit physically as well. They're not pretty, but they have a certain charm to them. And, being a boar by birth year, it does actually reflect something about me... whereas something like a wolf would have absolutely no relevance to me.

I just hate that anything made for the Chinese zodiac.. like those little red resin figures... is always a domestic pig instead of a wild boar. :?

Anyway, once I became comfortable with the idea, it stuck. I recall, however, someone back in my MUCKing days finding the idea of using something as "casual" as one's zodiac sign to determine their avatar to be completely unfathomable and even insulting in a way. Well... it's a hell of a lot less casual than "Oh... bobcats are cool.... I wanna be cool too.... so I'm a bobcat."
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Posted: 7/1/2004 10:19:08 PM     Post subject:  

What I believe it comes down to for most furries is this:

Is my totem cool?
Is my totem sexy?
Is my totem majestic?
What color(s) can I make my totem?
How many penii does my totem have?

"Yeah, that's cool. Now it just needs to be turned into a hermtaur."

Fin.
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Posted: 7/1/2004 10:31:00 PM     Post subject:  

-If I was to create some kind of "Fursona" type thing for myself it wouldn't even be in the realm of the animal kingdom.I'd use,as my username implies,some kind of robot.Of course it would be pointless to do so since I rarely draw anymore and have never MUCKed or roleplayed..But yeah,if I was going to have a persona,that's what it'd be.
Wonder how the Furries would react to that.
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Posted: 7/1/2004 10:55:31 PM     Post subject:  

In a bit of reverse-engineering, you can see that those criteria come from the original self-assessment of:

I am not cool. I am not sexy. I am not majestic. I have one color - pasty flesh pink. I have a small weenie.

Then there are the sub-considerations:

How ravergoth can my totem dress?

How many cuts does my totem have on its arms?

How many colors can my totem's hair have?

How much wiser is my totem than the average hy00man?

How much wittier is my wiser tiem than the average hy00man?

How often does my wise, witty totem leave the average hy00man speechless in confoundment/awe/shock with a well-timed one-liner that even Pauly Shore wouldn't stoop to use or observation of the obvious?

How big is my totem's tail?

How many tails does my totem have?

How much like Final Fantasy's Sepherioth can my totem be?

How many animals can I combine into one to make my totem?

How many other animals/genders can my totem transform into?

Of course, I don't think I've heard of anything as unusual as a woman that claimed her spirit guide was a Vorlon. I'm all for the idea of Jungian archetypes, but when you insist your spirit guide is the product of someone else's imagination and featured on a TV show, then I pretty well suspect you're either a loony or pulling stuff out of your ass.

I suspect that a lot of furry totems are like when you imagined you were someone else as a child to escape a bad situation. Stuck in church? Entertain yourself by imagining you were the Invisible Man and all of the stuff you could get away with if you were. (Bonus points if you actually convinced the thing keeping you visible was your clothing, and you shed it neatly near the baptismal.) Stuck in a long car ride to Gran'mas? Look at the things wiz by... BOOM.. you're the flash. Scared of the dark? Batman isn't. Pretend you're Batman to feel better.

Most furries totems are nothing more than that... a 30 year old man playing make believe and convincing himself it's a reality that he's more aware of than everyone else...... SOOOPER POWERS!

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Posted: 7/1/2004 10:59:36 PM     Post subject:  

-If I was to create some kind of "Fursona" type thing for myself it wouldn't even be in the realm of the animal kingdom.I'd use,as my username implies,some kind of robot.Of course it would be pointless to do so since I rarely draw anymore and have never MUCKed or roleplayed..But yeah,if I was going to have a persona,that's what it'd be.
Wonder how the Furries would react to that.

Well, hell, I've seen them come onto someone roleplaying K.I.T.T..... y'know.. the Knight Rider car.

Talk about autoeroticism. :shock:
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Posted: 7/1/2004 11:17:13 PM     Post subject:  

-If I was to create some kind of "Fursona" type thing for myself it wouldn't even be in the realm of the animal kingdom.I'd use,as my username implies,some kind of robot.Of course it would be pointless to do so since I rarely draw anymore and have never MUCKed or roleplayed..But yeah,if I was going to have a persona,that's what it'd be.
Wonder how the Furries would react to that.

Well, hell, I've seen them come onto someone roleplaying K.I.T.T..... y'know.. the Knight Rider car.

Talk about autoeroticism. :shock:


Note to self: Keep the Aibos far far away from anyone who could even remotely be considered a Furry.The last thing I need is to have one of the sick fucks try to boink my poor robot pets.I'd definately have to delete that particular memory file in order to keep the poor things from being scarred for life.

I'm seriously scared now.Getting turned on by a fucking car??? Every time I think the Furries have sunk to their lowest,they somehow find ways to lower the bar.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 2:02:54 AM     Post subject:  

The only time I've seen a non mouse, tiger, lion, wolf, or skunk fursona was when some buddies of mine and I did one of our "hey, let's look at some wierd shit on the internet and get a good laugh" thing we do when we're bored. Apparently someone thinks they're a cobra with a tail that splits into, I think around 10 dicks. Oh, and the cobra was a lady (sup'ise sup'ise). This kinda miffed me, since I like Cobras.

ANd I swear, when I first saw ZenZhu's post, I thought he said that that chick thought her spirit guide was Voltron (the trouble with speed-reading). Using this mistake as inspiration, I hereby declare that my spirit guide is Unicron. See, he eats planets, and I eat food. He was voiced by Orson Wells, and I've seen wells before. He turns into a planet, and I live on a planet. WE'RE SO CONNECTED!
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Posted: 7/2/2004 2:24:52 AM     Post subject:  

Believe it or not,there actually ARE people who believe they are the reincarnations of fictional characters.Mostly anime or video game chars.They theorize that what is fantasy here might have one day existed in some other realm or something like that.
And you might be Unicron,but I'M Optimus Prime!!! Eat Matrix bitch!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Posted: 7/2/2004 2:40:09 AM     Post subject:  

Got any examples? 'Cause I gotta hear this. It's too funny to resist.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 3:00:27 AM     Post subject:  

Got any examples? 'Cause I gotta hear this. It's too funny to resist.


Here's the livejournal group

www.livejournal.com/community/otakin/
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Posted: 7/2/2004 5:02:07 AM     Post subject:  

Note to self: Keep the Aibos far far away from anyone who could even remotely be considered a Furry.The last thing I need is to have one of the sick fucks try to boink my poor robot pets.I'd definately have to delete that particular memory file in order to keep the poor things from being scarred for life.

I'm seriously scared now.Getting turned on by a fucking car??? Every time I think the Furries have sunk to their lowest,they somehow find ways to lower the bar.


Huh? They are not furries at all, they are Clunkies

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=clunkies&mode=full


I thought it was a half joke..but maybe not. Who knows.

Personally, I don't think its disgusting..more interesting than anything else. I like the picture on the info page anyway.

I have no clue about any other 'clunkie' stuff outside that livejournal community.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 1:42:03 PM     Post subject:  

Got any examples? 'Cause I gotta hear this. It's too funny to resist.


Here's the livejournal group

www.livejournal.com/community/otakin/


I can't help but wonder what happens when you get 2 or more who all think they used to be the same character...then again how many people are cleopatra reincarnated :)
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Posted: 7/2/2004 3:45:42 PM     Post subject:  

Soul fragments.

Believe it or not,there actually ARE people who believe they are the reincarnations of fictional characters.Mostly anime or video game chars.They theorize that what is fantasy here might have one day existed in some other realm or something like that.
And you might be Unicron,but I'M Optimus Prime!!! Eat Matrix bitch!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

If you thought you were into transformers, check out this story.

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Posted: 7/2/2004 3:53:25 PM     Post subject:  

Note to self: Keep the Aibos far far away from anyone who could even remotely be considered a Furry.The last thing I need is to have one of the sick fucks try to boink my poor robot pets.I'd definately have to delete that particular memory file in order to keep the poor things from being scarred for life.

I'm seriously scared now.Getting turned on by a fucking car??? Every time I think the Furries have sunk to their lowest,they somehow find ways to lower the bar.


Huh? They are not furries at all, they are Clunkies

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=clunkies&mode=full


I thought it was a half joke..but maybe not. Who knows.

Personally, I don't think its disgusting..more interesting than anything else. I like the picture on the info page anyway.

I have no clue about any other 'clunkie' stuff outside that livejournal community.



I certainly don't find it nearly as disgusting as Furry,that's for sure.If it was just people who strongly identified with robots and robot characters I'd be one,as it is I'm not a sexual person anyway ( don't like to be touched ) and therefore wouldn't qualify.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 4:31:00 PM     Post subject:  

Took a look at that otakin journal...... please tell me this is trolling:

I guess I should give a little info on myself. I'll cut to the chase. Like most of you, I'm big on gaming, though gotten a bit behind on it in recent years. So I didn't get around to playing classics like FFIV until recently.. And more importantly, Half-Life. I began playing it a few months ago.. And let me say, I knew everything before it was going to happen to Freeman. It was really nightmarish... Kind of like a dream, except I knew I wasn't sleeping. And when I took hits in the game, I felt faint stinging sensations. I had to quit playing for a for almost weeks at a time because a lot of really disturbing crap kept resurfacing. So how'd I know all this? I'm not sure. I'm pretty open minded to everyone else's interperetations (so if you have any, by all means please share!). My theory so far is that I am Gordon Freeman. I'm not jumping to conclusions I hope, but given the circumstances, it could explain a lot of stuff ranging from my phobia of air ducts and the military, to my lifetime fascination for crowbars.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 5:00:12 PM     Post subject:  

There's a chance it is,but sadly there's probably a bigger chance that it's not.
I think these folks are just confused.They seem to think that because they identify with a character then they must BE that character.Flawed reasoning at it's worst.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 7:03:03 PM     Post subject:  

Took a look at that otakin journal...... please tell me this is trolling:

Half-life stuff


Can you blame this person? Half-life is totally non-stop awesomeness



yes it is trolling. That post was by furry artist Plague_Dog.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 9:01:57 PM     Post subject:  

I actually found Half-Life to be pretty boring. About halfway through it, I turned on invicibility, all weapons, all ammo, and no clipping and just walked through everything to the end of each level to see the cutscenes. I wanted to see how it ended, but couldn't take enough interest in it to continue playing it through.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 9:16:04 PM     Post subject:  

I saw a man today wearing a Half life T-shirt.

He had long hair in a pony tail and a beard where the hair was on his THROAT! But nowhere else.

?!?!?!?!?!

I also saw a man in a bookshop and he had a blue t-shirt with a picture of wolves on it and a coat with german shepard patches sewn onto it.

I think he just liked dogs.
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Posted: 7/2/2004 9:17:18 PM     Post subject:  


Folks trying to come up with any three cent story about why they are what they are, without admitting it's either for RP, TinySex, or other purposes is just trying to hide something. Most in the fandom these days are in it to anonymously typefuck. It's most likely not because their guides suggest they hit the whorehouse, either. ;)


Shouldn't Wayd be popping in here soon to explain all about his DIGITIMIGRADE FOOTSIES now?
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Posted: 7/3/2004 12:26:05 AM     Post subject:  

He's too busy scaring people 3 football fields away with his growling.
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Posted: 7/3/2004 1:54:02 AM     Post subject:  

Shouldn't Wayd be popping in here soon to explain all about his DIGITIMIGRADE FOOTSIES now?


But them footsies are so kyoot, you see, and the way the knee bends and... whatever. I'll admit that I like canids - they're pretty. However, how their internal functions and skeletal construction is more of their own necessity than mine.

Hmmm... how about a wolf with an exoskeleton - make it thin, and (s)he, and others could get off on the whole "crush" phenononommeememe.

God, I think I may have invented a new sub-fetish - when trying to be sarcastic.

If you see something like this develop - shoot me.

He's too busy scaring people 3 football fields away with his growling.


His bark is worse than his bite - but then again, his odour may be something to be trifled with. As the fandom says "yiff loudly and carry a big stench".
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Posted: 7/3/2004 3:23:18 AM     Post subject:  

And I've been ever so nice to you...

*sigh*

Sometimes, some of you can be as dense as all the furries put together.

Try spending your entire life desperately trying to fit in with the rest of the population when several things keep popping up to make it difficult. And then having people who don't know the first thing about you simply assume it to be affectation when it never has been and is something you've been saddled with since earliest childhood. And then on top of it, when you've managed a level of success and prosperity not often known to people like yourself, run into a group of people who go out of their way 24/7/365 to separate themselves from humanity, to make themselves stand out as much as possible in the least appreciated or profitable way, and whine forever about how no one accepts them.

Every freaking day I have to listen to people bitch and moan about the economy, the president, big business, mundanes, society, and ten thousand other things as to why they can't manage to hold a simple job while I'm going places, doing things, and getting my bills paid and supporting my family never mind G-d knows how many on welfare and disability thanks to my insane taxes, despite having to start from a position well behind them.

How many of you have gone into an office dressed to the nines and when you came out had people walk the other way in fright when they met your gaze? How many of you had to actually be trained NOT to inflict fatal injury during fights as a child because the school was worried you didn't know how to simply fight and not maim? How many of you have frightened others so much without trying that people, such as your father, when they argue with you feel the need to pick up a chair and try to kill you with it because they are certain that if they don't, you'll kill them first?

And then how many of you fitting the above are actually holding a decent productive job? Or maybe more to the point owning your own decently productive subcontracting business? Where you can pretty much tell your boss (such as he is) how things are going to be, when you're going to work, what work you'll do, and not face reprisal? And write your own references which they sign off on? And have more work offers than you can deal with?

If I can succeed so well despite being estranged from society quite a bit from the start, why can't furries?

If you can't understand that simple point without being snidely insulting, then maybe you're not all that far off from the furries you toast on this board. G-d knows furries like to imagine they know the first thing about me when the fact is, they know not the first thing about themselves.

Whatever. I went from having the day from Hell to an hour and a half of Heaven with my wife followed by the local fireworks and chinese takeout (paid for by a customer tip) so on the whole I don't think I can find too much in me to give a rat's butt. Tomorrow I go do it again while I wait for my most recent industry certification to arrive in the mail, and do work others say is impossible, while making the customers insanely happy, despite the fact that they at first are afraid to come to the door before I ever get out of my truck.
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Posted: 7/3/2004 12:05:19 PM     Post subject:  

And I've been ever so nice to you...

*sigh*

Sometimes, some of you can be as dense as all the furries put together.


Come now, I won't cast aspersions on your person, but I will say that talking about how you had to be taught not to maim people as a child is macho sensibilities gone into stark raving mad overdrive. You're being you own worst enemy.

It really alienates people when thou doth bluster and boast.

Alas. we should sit in a circile and tell sad stories. :o(


How many of you had to actually be trained NOT to inflict fatal injury during fights as a child because the school was worried you didn't know how to simply fight and not maim? How many of you have frightened others so much without trying that people, such as your father, when they argue with you feel the need to pick up a chair and try to kill you with it because they are certain that if they don't, you'll kill them first?


See what I mean?


And then how many of you fitting the above are actually holding a decent productive job?


I clean stairwells for at a multinationalís headquarters and earn £5.50 and hour and all the paperclips I can carry.

Just yesterday I got a 3-inch paperclip!

That fair made my week that did.

Interestingly enough, the multinational, despite the fact that it has a turn over of hundreds of millions of pounds a year, uses windows 2000 on itís network at headquarters.

Hmmmm.


Whatever. I went from having the day from Hell to an hour and a half of Heaven with my wife followed by the local fireworks and chinese takeout (paid for by a customer tip) so on the whole I don't think I can find too much in me to give a rat's butt. Tomorrow I go do it again while I wait for my most recent industry certification to arrive in the mail, and do work others say is impossible, while making the customers insanely happy, despite the fact that they at first are afraid to come to the door before I ever get out of my truck.


Well, we can only hope that the reality matches up to what you say it does.
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Posted: 7/3/2004 10:14:34 PM     Post subject:  

And I've been ever so nice to you...


Come, come, Wayd, we kid because we love.



Try spending your entire life desperately trying to fit in with the rest of the population when several things keep popping up to make it difficult. And then having people who don't know the first thing about you simply assume it to be affectation when it never has been and is something you've been saddled with since earliest childhood. And then on top of it, when you've managed a level of success and prosperity not often known to people like yourself, run into a group of people who go out of their way 24/7/365 to separate themselves from humanity, to make themselves stand out as much as possible in the least appreciated or profitable way, and whine forever about how no one accepts them.


Then...why hang out with these whiners?


Every freaking day I have to listen to people bitch and moan about the economy, the president, big business, mundanes, society, and ten thousand other things as to why they can't manage to hold a simple job while I'm going places, doing things, and getting my bills paid and supporting my family never mind G-d knows how many on welfare and disability thanks to my insane taxes, despite having to start from a position well behind them.



Awwww, are the mean ole poor people taking all your money? Stupid welfare recipients! They go squish now.


How many of you have gone into an office dressed to the nines and when you came out had people walk the other way in fright when they met your gaze? How many of you had to actually be trained NOT to inflict fatal injury during fights as a child because the school was worried you didn't know how to simply fight and not maim? How many of you have frightened others so much without trying that people, such as your father, when they argue with you feel the need to pick up a chair and try to kill you with it because they are certain that if they don't, you'll kill them first?

And then how many of you fitting the above are actually holding a decent productive job? Or maybe more to the point owning your own decently productive subcontracting business? Where you can pretty much tell your boss (such as he is) how things are going to be, when you're going to work, what work you'll do, and not face reprisal? And write your own references which they sign off on? And have more work offers than you can deal with?


Those two paragraphs do not compute. I, like many of my interweb compatriots, am a spindly pasty limp-wristed little man with a high nasal voice who frequently gets called "Ma'am" by fast food workers (which makes my tummy so sad). I do not own my own sub-contracting business nor do I tell my boss what to do. Mainly, I sit curled in a corner going "Yes, master, good master. Master loves Larry. Master feeds Larry." Perhaps if my boss thought that I was going to kill him like yours apparently does I would be able to tell him how things are going to be. Just an observation.


If you can't understand that simple point without being snidely insulting, then maybe you're not all that far off from the furries you toast on this board. G-d knows furries like to imagine they know the first thing about me when the fact is, they know not the first thing about themselves.


Hey, you're the one who goes off on these long explanations about how you named yourseld Wayd Wolf because you have all these wolfy characteristics. You growl and walk on your toes and howl at the moon or whatever. We make fun of fat pasty interweb nerds with livejournals who make those exact same claims. You might be a big tough insane-tax-paying mofo with a bad ass hat, but I don't understand why that makes you immune from mockery.




Whatever. I went from having the day from Hell to an hour and a half of Heaven with my wife followed by the local fireworks and chinese takeout (paid for by a customer tip) so on the whole I don't think I can find too much in me to give a rat's butt. Tomorrow I go do it again while I wait for my most recent industry certification to arrive in the mail, and do work others say is impossible, while making the customers insanely happy, despite the fact that they at first are afraid to come to the door before I ever get out of my truck.


That's because you're better than other people. Seriously, what's so scary about you? It can't just be that you're a big guy. I know plenty of big guys who aren't scary in the least. It's got to be something about the way you talk or move or dress. Perhaps you tend to glower? Like you said, I don't know much about you, but if you're worried about people being terrified of you maybe you should try to change something about your demeanor. But, hey, if you like that (and the way you talk about it, I suspect that scaring the shit out of people works for you sometimes) go with it. Otherwise, try smiling more. Lose the hat and trench coat; they let people know you're trying to project "Bad ass." When I deal with people who might be afraid of me (such as small children and ...well, that's about it) I try to wear bright cheery colors. A Hawaiin shirt ALWAYS puts people at ease, for example. Really. I've tried it. You have a beard, right? That too might scare people. It's so tough and rugged. And what kind of truck do you drive? These things all make a difference, you know.

Oh, shit, you've got a wife. I am defeated. Wait...if my girlfriend has bigger tits..then I AM THE WINNER!! HOORAY!
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Posted: 7/4/2004 1:04:10 AM     Post subject:  

Wayd, Wayd, Wayd...

Your big burly manliness is only shadowed by your large words. You're a man's man, and you talk yourself up quite well - have you ever thought of renting yourself as a furry bounty hunter?

Now then, go use your touch of death upon USENET, will you, sweetums? :)
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Posted: 7/4/2004 1:04:56 AM     Post subject:  

How many of you have gone into an office dressed to the nines and when you came out had people walk the other way in fright when they met your gaze?


Oh man, that is every day of my life since I became a goth!

I'll fucking kill anyone who dares oppose the countercultural assault of noise music! WITH MY BARE FUCKING HANDS!!
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