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ZigZagFan4ever
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Posted: 7/23/2004 10:49:24 PM     Post subject: THIS IS TO ALL ARTISTS HERE PLEASE READ. Permission to>&  

I'm asking for permission to color your artwork. Do you mind if I color your inked works? I'll give you credit for the art I color and if your not an member of the H-C-A (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-C-A) please join it and after I approve you there is an folder called Permission Slips. Please make an text file stating I have your permission to color and post your artwork. If you are an member already please make the text file for your consent anyway. I thank you for your letting me to color you art and posting it as well. I will never sell your art period, let me say again I will never sell your art.

I am sorry for the caps, I needed to get your attention to this post. I hope that you don't get mad at the way I started this, thank you.
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Posted: 7/23/2004 11:21:45 PM     Post subject:  

what
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Posted: 7/24/2004 12:11:31 AM     Post subject:  

what


I'm pretty sure it's this guy again. He's been spamming any board he sees as being even remotely furry, trying to get people to whore out artwork to him.

I take wicked delight in the knowledge that I could fill his hearts desire by drawing mountains of porn for him, designed to his every deviant specification, but cruely choose not to. Potential mountains of porn, catering to his darkest fantasies, right here and uncut, and he'll never get any of it.

Such is the power of erotic art; in a world of haves and have nots, the haves can be cruel tyrants or exploited little piglets. I chose to be a tyrant.

- Skunkfuckers "pr0n Nazi" Inc.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 12:27:07 AM     Post subject:  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-C-A
My inking and colors group that I color other artist stuff


I'll give you credit for the art I color and if your not an member of the H-C-A (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/H-C-A) please join it and after I approve you there <...>



IT SHUTS THE FUCK UP OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 3:21:49 AM     Post subject:  

Is this guy retarded?! What the fuck art is he prattling on about?
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Posted: 7/24/2004 3:43:51 AM     Post subject:  

IT SHUTS THE FUCK UP OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN.


"It rubs the lotion on itself or.....not THAT way!!!"
Brings a WHOLE new meaning to the term "get ahold of yourself."


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Posted: 7/24/2004 4:41:02 AM     Post subject: Re: THIS IS TO ALL ARTISTS HERE PLEASE READ. Permission to&  


I am sorry for the caps, I needed to get your attention to this post.


Yes, because this is so fucking important.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 4:46:04 AM     Post subject:  

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Posted: 7/24/2004 5:25:34 AM     Post subject: Re: THIS IS TO ALL ARTISTS HERE PLEASE READ. Permission to&  

I'm asking for permission to color your artwork. BLAH BLAH BLAH I LEIK COCK GARGLE MUCK BLUH


FUCKING SHUT UP ALREADY
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Posted: 7/24/2004 5:27:19 AM     Post subject:  

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Posted: 7/24/2004 5:33:42 AM     Post subject:  

Yeah, this guy spams every few weeks and will most likely be back. He's painfully oblivious, and doesn't realise just how idiotic and dodgy he comes off. He probably thinks people actually give a crap to do artwork for him, and may or may not have some form of ADD (or just has a really blunt social intellect).

I'd post some pics of this "Comm-Wolf-Pilot-Alpha" doing cosplay, but sadly I don't have anywhere to host them...
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Posted: 7/24/2004 5:39:29 AM     Post subject:  

Send 'em to me. I've got a photo bucket account. Thenewmeat@hotmail.com
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Posted: 7/24/2004 5:41:44 AM     Post subject:  

Looks like somebody hasn't heard of ImageShack.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 6:52:53 AM     Post subject:  

Looks like somebody hasn't heard of ImageShack.

Damn, I didn't see your post. Thanks, I didn't know there was a free image hosting service you don't even have to register for. This knowledge opens many new carnage making avenues for me in the future.



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Posted: 7/24/2004 9:38:48 AM     Post subject:  

Oh for fuck's sake, doesn't this guy give up?

I mean seriously does he think any artists on this board have mounds of free time to draw him crap to color and shit to spooge too? I only draw fucked up smut for close friends, very close friends.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 12:44:45 PM     Post subject:  

Hello my friend would you care to color this for me i would appreciate it ever so much

NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS
http://www.dogthing.net/picture_library/forumuse/colorfur.JPG
NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS
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Posted: 7/24/2004 4:37:40 PM     Post subject:  

I only draw fucked up smut for close friends, very close friends.


Can you make me a wolf ok? With a big big big throbbing dick stuck in some poor micro's ear, all sockets oozing with spooge... then. then... ooh, with 8 sets of nipples - all strung together with barbed wire. Oh, oh, oh... and make it something that'd put old Steve Burt's tormented stick-figure amputees to shame.

kthx.
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Posted: 7/24/2004 9:49:15 PM     Post subject:  

I only draw fucked up smut for close friends, very close friends.


Can you make me a wolf ok? With a big big big throbbing dick stuck in some poor micro's ear, all sockets oozing with spooge... then. then... ooh, with 8 sets of nipples - all strung together with barbed wire. Oh, oh, oh... and make it something that'd put old Steve Burt's tormented stick-figure amputees to shame.

kthx.


That not fucked up enough :P Honestly can't you be more imaginatively deviant? ;)
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Posted: 7/25/2004 12:48:59 AM     Post subject:  

I only draw fucked up smut for close friends, very close friends.


Can you make me a wolf ok? With a big big big throbbing dick stuck in some poor micro's ear, all sockets oozing with spooge... then. then... ooh, with 8 sets of nipples - all strung together with barbed wire. Oh, oh, oh... and make it something that'd put old Steve Burt's tormented stick-figure amputees to shame.

kthx.


That not fucked up enough :P Honestly can't you be more imaginatively deviant? ;)


Hello my friend would you care to color this for me i would appreciate it ever so much

NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS
http://www.dogthing.net/picture_library/forumuse/colorfur.JPG
NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS NWS


http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8147/colorfur_finished.jpg

As I predict only evil can come from this course of reasoning, this should spill over into OMG MY EYES as a request thread soon.
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Posted: 7/25/2004 2:07:28 AM     Post subject:  

That not fucked up enough :P Honestly can't you be more imaginatively deviant? ;)


Oh. Ok... then how about having my male character having sex with a girl? They have evil cooties, you know...

My turn!



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Posted: 7/25/2004 2:27:09 AM     Post subject:  


http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8147/colorfur_finished.jpg

As I predict only evil can come from this course of reasoning, this should spill over into OMG MY EYES as a request thread soon.


Ahahahaha, holy shit.

We are a force to be reckoned with.
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Posted: 7/25/2004 2:54:40 AM     Post subject:  


http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8147/colorfur_finished.jpg

As I predict only evil can come from this course of reasoning, this should spill over into OMG MY EYES as a request thread soon.


Ahahahaha, holy shit.

We are a force to be reckoned with.

I know I've had too much exposure to 'furry' when some part of me still half expected you to scream "ARET THETF!!!i!"

Then I'd have had to call you big faggy faggity fag-fag. :wink:
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Posted: 7/25/2004 9:06:31 PM     Post subject:  




YOU HAVE WON THE THREAD
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Posted: 7/26/2004 12:02:53 PM     Post subject:  

YOU HAVE WON THE THREAD

And, I'll bow out on that high note.

Though judging from the thread starter, I didn't win much.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 4:05:44 PM     Post subject:  

If we're gonna go with cosplay... I'll bring some redeeming visuals to this thread.

But... just for comparison/contrast -



Apparently, education and crime rate aren't the only places they kick our butts.





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Posted: 7/26/2004 5:40:13 PM     Post subject:  

Hubba hubba. Just what this thread needed, eyecandy.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 5:56:06 PM     Post subject:  

If that first picture hadn't made my dick permanently retreat inside my body, the next three would be totally jerkable.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 7:52:26 PM     Post subject:  

If that first picture hadn't made my dick permanently retreat inside my body, the next three would be totally jerkable.


This is one of the few occasions where having a selective memory is a good thing. :wink:
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Posted: 7/26/2004 9:08:06 PM     Post subject:  

Dear God... decent cosplay! I thought it a myth!
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Posted: 7/26/2004 9:37:55 PM     Post subject:  

The first asian in that run purges my mind of the ham in the wig that precedes her. The second asian gal's cute hairstyle reinforces the purging effect of the first. The third is just icing.

Believe it or not, I searched Google's image search for "cosplay" and came up with more images like the asian gals than like the white chick dressed up as a can of Beefaroni.

And let's not forget Asian race queens.



And let us not forget my personal favorites, kimono babes and miko:

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Posted: 7/27/2004 4:00:05 AM     Post subject:  

Opinions on the batches of Asian New Hottness...

1: cos12.jpg
BEAUTIFUL! This is what makes the Japanese Cosplayers SO FREAKING SWEET! They are consumate proffessionals, who put great effort in looking good. And alot of them are hotter than Wasabi on a Chili Pepper! BTW, the fans... Nice touch.

2: cos013.jpg
Not school regulation, but it does get the grade for sheer fappibility. Hell, she looks 18+, go for it! (BTW, I'm sorta dissapointed the girl in the BGD wearing the Sailor Moon costume got her face covered. She looks like she'd make the grade too!)

3: cos003.jpg
Oh yeah, Alien Hottness! I sorta know now how Captain Kirk feels. Hot alien beauty poses before you... f*** the Prime Directive, it's time to conquer! The bedroom that is...

4: Kimono.jpg
*smile* Good craftsmanship on traditional clothing. Take note American cosplayers, even when looking plain as day they got you beat!

5: miko.jpg
Again, Beautiful. Something as mundane as a priestess' robes become not as pedestrian when wore by the right person. And she looks comfortable, too.

Indeed, the Japanese got us beat. They made costuming an ARTFORM.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 4:06:05 AM     Post subject:  

you got to love a board where a discussion about an asshole spammer can evolve into posting HOTT HOTT AZN COSPLAY PICS OMGLOL!!!!!!!11KAWAIIIIIIII
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:18:15 AM     Post subject:  

you got to love a board where a discussion about an asshole spammer can evolve into posting HOTT HOTT AZN COSPLAY PICS OMGLOL!!!!!!!11KAWAIIIIIIII


So da. Kore wa sugoi! ^^;;; Boku wa kawaii desu!
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:46:22 AM     Post subject:  

If Cosplay Hell were still up I'd sic KICKFAG on all your asses. Anyone know what I'm talking about? ANYONE HAVE THE SITE ARCHIVED?(PLEEZE? WAYBACK DIDN'T GET ALL THE IMAGES!)
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Posted: 7/27/2004 6:53:05 AM     Post subject:  

you got to love a board where a discussion about an asshole spammer can evolve into posting HOTT HOTT AZN COSPLAY PICS OMGLOL!!!!!!!11KAWAIIIIIIII


So da. Kore wa sugoi! ^^;;; Boku wa kawaii desu!


Yo no puedo hablar japonés. Yo no podré hablar japonés. Por favor, en español o inglés, o aleman.

Note to m_estrugo: if I got that wrong, just remember, I've only had three years in Spanish class, and I only payed attention for half of that.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 7:27:02 AM     Post subject:  

you got to love a board where a discussion about an asshole spammer can evolve into posting HOTT HOTT AZN COSPLAY PICS OMGLOL!!!!!!!11KAWAIIIIIIII


So da. Kore wa sugoi! ^^;;; Boku wa kawaii desu!


Yo no puedo hablar japonés. Yo no podré hablar japonés. Por favor, en español o inglés, o aleman. <...>


So da. = I see/So that's how it is.
Kore wa sugoi! = That's great/amazing.
Boku wa kawaii desu! = I'm cute!

I'm almost scared I know that much japanese. Though I do plan on learning it, along with german. (Before I die.) :|
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Posted: 7/27/2004 9:54:34 AM     Post subject:  

feak zeaknue zhoudh zhat vaegarrgh zhoudh zhat gvurrdon hveak satoengetes fa vouka tsukho aeroukh rrou vargr kfe vae fa kfellaevouk saknaenurrgdes aeghz roukhousz ke sazhoegaedes aeghz urzz.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 10:24:09 AM     Post subject:  

I'm almost scared I know that much japanese. Though I do plan on learning it, along with german. (Before I die.) :|


German is a great language, although what little of it I do know I learned from listening to Rammstein. I'm starting to learn it simply because I want to move to Switzerland. Free machine guns! Woo!

To get back on topic, furries are gay.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 1:30:06 PM     Post subject:  

furries are gay.


Yeah man
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Posted: 7/27/2004 1:47:15 PM     Post subject:  

Apparently, education and crime rate aren't the only places they kick our butts.

Actually (actually, you've answered my cosprayers, those are some damn fine womens) actually, their focus on education involves shunting a kid through a rigid curriculum designed to shit out automaton-like salarymen (or, in the case of girls, have them get a decent job until they can get married and take a maternity retirement in their mid-twenties). They have little choice of what college they attend, but MUST attend college or otherwise be religated to socio-economic failure. They're forced into good grades, but aren't necessarily learning, especialy when it comes to anything that'd be useful outside of Japan. This is the same education system that thinks teaching English involves practicaly memorizing the English dictionary, even though most students couldn't hold a basic conversation.

As for crime, yes it's the safest industrialized society in the world, but it's still terribly fearful, especially of those horrible foreigners. The Japanese mindset doesn't want to allow for the notion that Japanese people commit crimes as well, it's always blaimed on foreigners (especialy the Chinese). The government and the police only reinforce this notion to maintain prominance and deflect attention from their own corruption and neglect. Japanese police, like the doctors there, can never be trusted to do their jobs and look out for the best interests of the public.

I'm no trying to slam all Japanese, though. I obviously have an interest in Japan, and I'd love to go there and meet real Japanese people myself before I let the negative aspects desuade me from learning more about the culture, but the more I learn the more bullshit I see. Some of it is a facade, but some of it goes down to the mindset of Japanese identity. I find a lot of it disheartning.



I'll get off my soapbox now and return you to your regularly scheduled oogling.




Or not.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 3:59:32 PM     Post subject:  

Well, I wasn't trying to launch into a J@P@N IS T3H GR3@T35T!! speech. That's the stereotype, so I played on that to parallel the contrasts between what you see for your typical U.S. cosplayer and some of the Japanese cosplayers. Personally, I think we in the U.S. could learn a lot from the Japanse, but I think they could also learn from us. Somewhere in the happy middle is a good place to be.

Just some fun and tidbits with Japanese I picked up in class:

"So da" is the slang form of "So desu," which most familiar with Japanese might be more familiar with. "So desu" is the "classroom version." It's kind of like "yeah" versus "yes." It's not uncommon to see someone talking, and the other frequently saying "Hai, so desu." This is feedback that the other person is listening activly and understanding. This is something I get into trouble for with coworkers. I tend to nod as I'm listening to indicate I'm understanding what they're saying and not thinking back to a really good steak from 3 weeks ago. They tend to see it as a sign of trying to act like I know everything.

"Kore wa sugoi" would actually be "This is amazing!" Kore is "this." "Sore" is "that" for things nearby. "Are" is "that" for things that are farther away. These are used if you are not naming the object. If the object is named, and "this" or "that" is used like an adjective, it becomes kono, sono, and ano.

Sumimasen.. kore wa desu ka?
Excuse me, what is this? (perhaps holding up object)

Sore wa enpitsu desu.
That is a pencil/pen.

Kono enpitsu wa ikura desu ka?
How much is this pen?

Sono enpitsu wa nijuu en.
That pen is 20 yen.

(As another fun note, once a subject is identified, things get dropped a lot and are inferred by the context of the conversation. The above conversation would more likely be:
Sumimasen, kore wa desu ka?
Enpitsu desu.
Ikura desu ka?
Nijuu en.


I've always wondered what it would sound like to the Japanese to be speaking in "classroom Japanese." I assume the effect is the same as listening to someone speaking broken English, but it'd be interesting to "hear it through another's ears."
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Ano ki wa ookii desu yo.
That tree is big!! (tree is far away)

If I'm remembering correctly (I haven't exercised this much yet), kono/sono/ano are used when referring to something directly. When used in referring to something's location, you have koko/soko/asoko for here/there/over there.

Sumimasen, otearai wa doko ni arimasu ka? (doko desu ka is mechanically correct, but doko ni arimasu ka would be viewed as more eloquent by a native speaker)
Excuse me, where is the bathroom?

Asoko ni arimasu.
<gesturing> It's over there.

Another thing that I find kind of interesting is if you refer to where something is, for example, on a table, the translation doesn't come out "It's on top of the table." It would come out "It's on the table's top." Offhand, I can't remember the stuff like top, bottom, etc., and don't have my class notes handy.

Speaking of otearai, since this is one of the most important concepts in any language (the BATHROOOOOOOOM), some guides may give you "furoba" as bathroom. This is literally a bath-room, as in where you might bathe or shower. Otearai or toire (pronounced "toy-ray"- from "toilet") is what you want to do your business.

"Boku" is an informal term used most frequently by male children and young men, but is used through old age, too. "Watashi" is what they teach as the standard form of "I" in classes. "Watakushi" is the really formal form. There are lots of other ways to refer to the self... though, ironically... the self is typically omitted from a sentence. The Japanese tend to use pronouns as little as possible, using either the proper name, or just omitting it completely.

Just as a side note, you often see furries take character names and tack "san" on the end to try and sound ethnic.. like Titty-san or Yiffi-san or crap. In truth, you never use "san" when referring to yourself. So, it would be very bad form, not to mention bad Japanese grammar, to say, "Konbanwa. Watashi wa Tanaka-san desu." ("Good evening. I am Mr. Tanaka.".... but coming off more like "Good eveing. I am big, important, egotistical Mr. Tanaka.")

And now you know..... the rest of the story. And knowing is half the battle.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:44:47 PM     Post subject:  

Oh no, I got you. I was just ranting :oops:

Between reading up on Japanese social attitudes and being consistantly pissed off by seeing them in full force on Japan Today's news comments, I almost want to give up. The Pop Vox section alone makes me want to hurt people... I swear, if I ever find that park in Japan I'm going to whip out a boxcutter and single handedly quadruple the foreigner crime rate.

Then again, there are people like Arudou Debito who've gone through real life shit in Japan, and still kept a love for the culture and the people, so I think that's what keeps me interested and hopeful. Not the anime-fag wannabes who want to believe it's all about 'Rabu Hina' and 'Pasocons'.


Speaking of speaking Nihongo, I'm using Pimsleurs Japanese audio courses. They seem good, but every time "watashi wa" is used my mind keeps snapping back to this article. I can't help but thinking that I'm learning someones watered down, bastardized interpretation of the language. I personaly prefer to drop the pronouns.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 6:26:01 PM     Post subject:  

I don't know if you've taken any classes in it, but even a continuing education intro course will give you some insights beyond the manuals. I'm taking the approach of learning the vocabulary and the grammar, rather than handy grammar as most folks do. Instead of a few phrases to get by like many in the classes I've taken are after, I'm trying to learn the mechanics of the language so that I can form sentences and know what goes where. A fun book is "Japanese Beyond Words." It gives some cultural info (like never, ever toy with a businessman's card, as it would be considered rude) and info on the language, too.

I generally verbalize a complete sentence for speaking practice, but, were I to ever converse, I'd drop what I knew was appropriate. When in doubt, though, better to be speaking "classroom Japanese" than to really malign the language.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 7:02:44 PM     Post subject:  

I'm almost scared I know that much japanese. Though I do plan on learning it, along with german. (Before I die.) :|


German is a great language, although what little of it I do know I learned from listening to Rammstein. I'm starting to learn it simply because I want to move to Switzerland. Free machine guns! Woo!

To get back on topic, furries are gay.


German is a fun language to talk dirty in, because no matter what you say it'll kick you right out of the mood.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 7:31:13 PM     Post subject:  

German is a fun language to talk dirty in, because no matter what you say it'll kick you right out of the mood.


Du bestrafst mich so gut!

My brother has become an anime nerd, although not to the level of cosplaying... yet. He almost always puts "neh?" on the end of questions. "Neh," as he explains it, is basically how the Japanese say "eh?" And he is always repeating "sore wa himitsu desu." This apparently means, "that is a secret." So he gets a real kick when people ask what it means, and he can say "that's a secret." God, I hate him.

Pero él no habla español, y yo puedo molestarlo hablando español.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 8:33:04 PM     Post subject:  

My brother has become an anime nerd, although not to the level of cosplaying... yet. He almost always puts "neh?" on the end of questions. "Neh," as he explains it, is basically how the Japanese say "eh?" And he is always repeating "sore wa himitsu desu." This apparently means, "that is a secret." So he gets a real kick when people ask what it means, and he can say "that's a secret." God, I hate him.


Would you be terribly offended if I kicked him in the nuts?


(P.S. Thanks for clearing up the sore/kore thing for me Zen.)
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Posted: 7/27/2004 8:35:11 PM     Post subject:  

Not at all, but you pay airfare and find him.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 9:30:33 PM     Post subject:  

Some more Japanese pictures, don't they all look adorable? this is one of the big fashions in Japan at the moment I believe.

http://www.harmful.org/homedespot/newtdr/NEWtdrARCHIVE/SCANS/yamanba/newegg/

Enjoy :)
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Posted: 7/27/2004 10:55:34 PM     Post subject:  

I believe I'd like to add a counterpoint to your Toxic Teenage Ko-gal Mutants with some vintage Meiji-era Japanese beauty.

(NWS, but in a good way)
http://img58.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img58&image=amnorda279.jpg
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Posted: 7/28/2004 8:19:13 PM     Post subject:  

My brother has become an anime nerd, although not to the level of cosplaying... yet. He almost always puts "neh?" on the end of questions. "Neh," as he explains it, is basically how the Japanese say "eh?" And he is always repeating "sore wa himitsu desu." This apparently means, "that is a secret." So he gets a real kick when people ask what it means, and he can say "that's a secret." God, I hate him.

This is where you run into the dangers of parroting stuff you hear in anime without really understanding it. "Ne" is a particle that denotes a question that the asker is expecting you to agree with. Instead of being merely "eh?" it's more like "Wouldn't you agree?"

For example if you said, "Kyo wa atsui desu ka?" then you're basically asking "Is it hot today?" If, however, you said "Kyo wa atsui desu ne?" then you're asking something more along the lines of "It's hot today, isn't it?" and expecting the other person to agree.

The place you see anime nuts get into the most trouble is when they parrot lines that are gender specific. Since much of anime is populated by heroines, most viewers are going to hear Japanese spoken by female characters. So, if they said something like "Atashi wa tsuika o tabetai desu." then they are basically saying "I want to eat watermelon." But, if it's a guy, "atashi" is going to sound really stupid, because it's a feminine form of a self pronoun. So, you hear a lot of otaku spouting Japanese phrases that would make a native speaker point and laugh at their inept handling of the language.

Another problem is they're approximating the sound without knowing the word. I great example is "kuso." This is most often seen as an explicative basically meaning "shit!" So, a character might be jumping out of the way of a car screaming "Kuso!" U and I are sometimes silent in Japanese, though, when surrounded by certain consonants. As a result, names like Sanosuke or Asuka are actually pronounced more like "sa-no-skay" and "as-ka." The U isn't completely dropped.. more like whispered. So, "kuso" sounds like "K-so." If you learn all of your Japanese from anime, then an anime nut may think they're an authority, but they're just mimicing sounds like a parrot. Furthermore, if they assume Japanese sentence structure is like English, they may get all kinds of wrong ideas.

I remember being in a Game Stop store and listening to one customer, a friend of the cashier, giving his friend a hard time about the use of "domo arigato gozaimasu." He insisted that domo and arigato were never used separately. Of course, they are. Domo might be used as a quick "thanks" while arigato is a more standard thank-you. The cashier said he had seen a movie the other night where they used them separately, and the customer huffed that the movie must not have been truly Japanese. I wanted to idly turn and ask him "Nihongo ga wakarimasu ka?" ( understand Japanese?)

Of course, I didn't.

So, yes, anime nuts get really slapworthy when they pour on all the Japanese they know, which consists primarily of baka, ohayo, ne, doko, nani and maybe kanpai in an attempt to sound like their favorite anime character.

I think my biggest transgression was in class when we were to talk about our hobbies. I decided to try and get fancy and specify that I like Asian cooking, moreso than simply cooking in general.

What I should have said was, "Watashi no shumi wa Ajia no ryori desu." - I like Asian cooking.

I misinterpreted a definition from my English-Japanese dictionary, though, and used what turned out to be a noun, rather than the adjective "Asian." So, I said, "Watashi no shumi way Ajiajin ryori desu." - I like cooking Asian people. :shock: :roll:

(P.S. Thanks for clearing up the sore/kore thing for me Zen.)

Oh, no prob. I wasn't trying to suggest you were wrong or anything. You mentioning it just made it a handy topic. I certainly don't claim to be able to correct folks on their Japanese in the spirit of "you're saying it wrong.. this is right." Since I don't get much of a chance to exercise my Japanese, it was a nice chance to use some of it. I wasn't trying to "clear it up" or anything as much as I was trying to give out some more details based on what I've read and picked up in class. Even though I haven't learned anything at a truly conversational level, I find the language fascinating to study both to know and understand the mechanics, as well as the cultural nuances behind them. So, sometimes I just start yakking away about it. Please don't interpret it as me trying to be some kind of expert, because I'm not. I just like to share and see what insights others have gained on it.

Betcha those toxic gals are from the Shinjuku shopping district. I like my Asian babes a bit less............ tiki-like.

Nice vintage pic. Hard to find good tasteful nudes that include a kimono. There's some gashapon that are actually anime babes with open kimonos. Alas, they always want a fortune for them, because they know some yutz will pay $36.00 for a 3-inch tall figure with boobies.

For a nice selection of free Asian babes, check out www.kimochi-ii.com. J-list.com also has a lot of stuff where you can snag the covers to Japanese photobooks and such.
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Posted: 7/28/2004 11:39:09 PM     Post subject:  

*giggle*
God I love when someone plays with a rube's mind like that.

Quite frankly, the only Japanese word I dare throw around, and even then on very rare occasions when anger or boredom remove all inhibitions...

Baka.

Just Baka.

It just sounds cool to call someone an idiot to their face, and watch them actually LOOK LIKE ONE as they try to figure out just what you said. Thus, making them look like what you called them.
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Posted: 7/29/2004 1:07:37 AM     Post subject:  

Betcha those toxic gals are from the Shinjuku shopping district. I like my Asian babes a bit less............ tiki-like.

Nice vintage pic. Hard to find good tasteful nudes that include a kimono. There's some gashapon that are actually anime babes with open kimonos. Alas, they always want a fortune for them, because they know some yutz will pay $36.00 for a 3-inch tall figure with boobies.

For a nice selection of free Asian babes, check out www.kimochi-ii.com. J-list.com also has a lot of stuff where you can snag the covers to Japanese photobooks and such.


Yeah, that's the only vintage Japanese photo I've seen. I found it on AMEA, which focuses on vintage erotica. A good bit of it -especialy the pre-turn of the century stuff- is laughable, not to mention a little frightening, but some are pretty good (the voluptuous women of the 50's, the hand-tinted photographs of the 30's).

That's a good link by the way, I hadn't seen that one yet. So far I've gotten most of my hot asian goodness from Dynamix.net, though there are are a few others (not to mention the unlimited supply of paysites I can bust into whenever I want hardcore :wink: ).

Sadly, I've not been able to break into Sexyfur.com, and would be willing to pay as much as... oh, almost $0.43 to anyone who could supply me with a pass plz, kay thnx.
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Posted: 7/29/2004 1:51:19 PM     Post subject:  

One of my favorite words is "kyabasuke" (kya-ba-skay). It basically means "overdressed slut." I was trying to find a word similar to "barfly" and that was the closest I came up with. Even though it's pretty safe to assume your average trailer trash wouldn't be familiar with the word, I still don't use it where they can hear it. If nothing else, the tone of one's voice would make it apparent it was a derogatory statement.

My wife and I try to pick up new words and use them amongst ourselves when appropriate, rather than forced into speech like anime nuts do. Most of the words she's familiar with are foods, since we name things at the grocery store. So, we'll use words like tamanegi, wakegi, kionoko, ninjin, gyuniku, mizu, etc. (onion, scallion, mushroom, carrot, beef (I think), water) She's also taken to exclaiming "atsui" (hot) at a restaurant if she bites into something that is much hotter than she thought it was. If I say something in Japanese, too, she'll just nod and say "Hai, soo desu........ whatever you said... I'll agree." :)
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Posted: 7/29/2004 2:49:47 PM     Post subject:  

You know, if Americans all one day woke up and started speaking Japanese, I would be entertained. Just for the sheer awkward nature of seeing it.

Imagine the befuddled soccer moms when they finally understand what their kids are watching...
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Posted: 7/29/2004 5:54:41 PM     Post subject:  

Doujins would be a lot easier to understand.

Of course, with a few of them, like that Evangelion one with Kim Jong-Il, that might not be a very good thing.
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Posted: 7/29/2004 8:43:19 PM     Post subject:  

Of course, with a few of them, like that Evangelion one with Kim Jong-Il, that might not be a very good thing.


Actually, it would be an AWESOME thing.
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Posted: 8/2/2004 9:59:53 PM     Post subject:  

think i better save this thread. could be useful as I want to at least go to Japan sometime before I die. Even if its just to go shopping for merchandise in Tokyo!

Mind you, I've been to Spain 4 or 5 times and only just figured out how to say 'hello', 'goodbye' and 'thankyou'...
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Posted: 8/2/2004 10:28:18 PM     Post subject:  

If I say something in Japanese, too, she'll just nod and say "Hai, soo desu........ whatever you said... I'll agree." :)

I should add that this leads to fun trickery in the case of, "Paizuri ga hoshii desu."

(That's probably pretty broken Japanese, but, effectively, "I want a titty-fuck.")
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Posted: 8/3/2004 1:07:20 AM     Post subject:  

Hrm....

What does Hoshii mean? I know (I think) that it's supposed to mean "Star", but then again, I don't know Japanese well enought to say that I do know. >_<
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Posted: 8/3/2004 9:15:41 AM     Post subject:  

Whenever I think of Japan, I think of experiments on Chinese people, the emperors complicity in the war and discrimination against buraku and the persecution of japanese communists.

I hope Japan slides over and falls into the sea. :(
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Posted: 8/3/2004 2:04:04 PM     Post subject:  

Hoshi is star. Hoshii is "to want." Like "Jitensha wa hoshii desu." is basically "I want a bike."

The real separation is in the romanization. In katakana, there may be no real distinction, or there might be a - after the "i" character. So, one is "ho-shee" and one is "ho-sheeeeee." The "i" gets held for two syllables. In reality, though, you might not hear a native speaker really force the sound. It would be evident from the use that "want" is meant instead of "star."

While Japanese doesn't rely on voice modulation as much as Chinese, there are some cases where inflection can make a difference in what you're saying. While the first syllable in Japanese is often the one stressed, if any (i.e., A-ree-ga-to versus a-ree-GAH-to as many in America say it), I've emphasized parts of the words below to show which part gets said a little shorter, or with the voice modulating up in pitch slightly.

hana (ha-na) = nose
hana (ha-NA) = flower
kami (ka-mee) = god
kami (ka-MEE) = paper
ie (ee-ay) = house
ie (EEEEEE-ay) = no

I'm sure there's many others. Those are just the ones I know of. Another example is the difference between the "su" sound and the "tsu" sound. The "su" sound is just "soo," like in su-su-sudio. The "tsu" sound starts with saying the "s" part as if you had just said "cats," but without the "ca."

suki (soo-kee... though, typically pronounced "skee" since the "u" is a silent vowel in this case) = to like something (Nihon no ryori wa suki desu. - "I like Japanese cooking.")

tsuki (tsoo-kee) = moon (Tsuki desu. - Loosely, "The moon is up/out.")

This can lead to some amusing situations with nonnative speakers that may be out on a date with a native speaker. If they attempt to say "Tsuki desu." but don't get the "tsu" sound out effectively, they sound like they're saying "Suki desu." or "I like you." In this case, though, it can be considered a mild profession of love.

On an amusing note, my Japanese seems to be degrading my English. The other day, I was explaining to someone about a school where I did an envrionmental assessment. It's a special school where they take students that cannot be in regular high schools because of mental or psychological disorders or discipline problems. I inadvertently said "It's a school where they take students that have disuprine problems."
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Posted: 8/4/2004 12:46:35 AM     Post subject:  

Zen, I feel for ya, ol' buddy.

I was stuck in Special Ed for problems I had in 1st and 2nd grade. Now, I'm out of school, but I've only been out a little while. You see, I was only like, maybe a year behind so I would have graduated One year late from High School, but those rubes put me in a "Drooler School" Untill I was 22. Holding my diploma I finally earned hostage.

Of course, I'm now pretty well centered, but I still got issues with the school system here in the city because of that BS.

I hope the droolers and misfits didn't give you too much grief. >_<

But, back on the Hijack, Translate this for me:

"This isn't what I had in mind, but it will do for now."

Just something for a character I play around with in an RP elsewhere. (Don't worry. The character is human. ~_^)
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Posted: 8/4/2004 8:10:59 AM     Post subject:  


But, back on the Hijack, Translate this for me:

"This isn't what I had in mind, but it will do for now."

Just something for a character I play around with in an RP elsewhere. (Don't worry. The character is human. ~_^)


That translates as:

DEATH TO THE ROUND EYED EUROPEANS!

KAMAKAZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Or alternatively:

HAHA! Look at the big noses.

Or even:

Bomb Nanking!
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Posted: 8/4/2004 12:14:16 PM     Post subject:  

ARGLE BARGLE

BANNED
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Posted: 8/4/2004 1:15:30 PM     Post subject:  

ARGLE BARGLE

BANNED


Well…

I don’t know what Magellan would think of *that* :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Posted: 8/4/2004 2:29:18 PM     Post subject:  

But, back on the Hijack, Translate this for me:

"This isn't what I had in mind, but it will do for now."

Just something for a character I play around with in an RP elsewhere. (Don't worry. The character is human. ~_^)

Unfortunately, I'm not that proficient with it, yet. I know words and can form simple sentences like "Where is the bathroom." or "The teacher is over there in the schoolhouse." but that's a bit complex for me.

Hmmm... for the first part, you'd probably have an easier time coming up with something for "That isn't what I was thinking." Poking around online, to think is omou. It might be something like "Kore wa omotte dewa arimasen." or "Kore wa omotte jya arimasen." (I'm not up on negatives enough to know when it's a case of arimasen versus jya nai etc.

Demo is "but."

"It will do for now." might work as "Mokka ii desu" which is my best approximation for "At present, it's good." (I'm probably missing some kind of particle between mokka and ii.

So, that's probably very broken Japanese, but broken Japanese to Japanese ears is not quite as awkward as broken English to us, from what I've read. If anyone reading your RP knows Japanese, they might call bullshit on you.... but maybe then you can get a better translation of it. As far as actually trying to get by with this "creative" approach, a book I read once said that any way you can get your point across works. It had an anecdote about an exchange student in Japan. Her stereo had broken, but she didn't know how to say she needed a repairman. So, she used what Japanese she knew to say "My stereo is sick. It needs a doctor." The family she was staying with got the message.

So, to put it all together, I turned "That's not what I had in mind, but it will do for now." into "That's not what I was thinking, but, at present, it's good." That came out to be... in my best guess... Kore wa omotte dewa arimasen, demo, mokka ii desu." (I put commas in to break up the sentence so it mimics the English one in form, but Japanese actually doesn't really have punctuation. All romanization of it kind of falls short, since we're trying to follow the rules of English grammar to translate something that doesn't follow those rules.)

If you look around, there are Japanese language forums where you can probably get much much more skilled help.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 5:39:36 PM     Post subject:  

ARGLE BARGLE

BANNED


OH GOD THANK YOU MITCH
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Posted: 8/4/2004 6:31:08 PM     Post subject:  

I hereby submit that David be instated as The Official CYD Semen-Catcher. If you ever feel the need to jack off, David will come, cup his hands, and catch your semen. Women will be supplied surplus jizz to throw at him.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 8:29:47 PM     Post subject:  

Zen: Thanks for your efforts.

David: You have been PWNED.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 10:49:08 PM     Post subject:  

FINALLY
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Posted: 8/4/2004 10:51:22 PM     Post subject:  

What happened?
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Posted: 8/4/2004 11:43:22 PM     Post subject:  

What happened?


*shrugs* Apparently David got banned for.. being.. a jerk?
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Posted: 8/5/2004 12:19:55 AM     Post subject:  

What it sounds like (and thank god I and Gollum AyeAye missed it) was that David was being a filthy Troll. A filthy, tricksey Troll.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 1:10:34 AM     Post subject:  

What it sounds like (and thank god I and Gollum AyeAye missed it) was that David was being a filthy Troll. A filthy, tricksey Troll.

David = Trixi Troll, forum rape-bitch.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 2:41:32 AM     Post subject:  

*punches David*

Coldblooded!

I'm M0us3_Zero, bitch. Now drop your drawers and let Golum AyeAye have some fun.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 8:24:46 AM     Post subject:  

Zen: Thanks for your efforts.

David: You have been PWNED.


I have?!?!?!?!?

I am *not* going to talk about famous European navigators from the age of discovery at this point.

Instead I am going to bore you to tears by babbleing about japan and how I speak japense and everything. :o(
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Posted: 8/5/2004 8:52:20 AM     Post subject:  

Helpful tip for webmasters and forum owners: you must ban their IP in order to get them away.

Or just shoot them in the face. I mean, I guess the banning works and everything, but the shooting's quicker.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 1:57:35 PM     Post subject:  

The upside of shooting them is that, not only to you put them out of the misery of other Internet users, but you put them out of the misery of those around them on the streets, too.



BTW, this image came from a page for a little game someone made called Freelance Sniper. You can also create your own files for this game and snipe away at your favorite furry characters or people.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 4:18:46 PM     Post subject:  

Helpful tip for webmasters and forum owners: you must ban their IP in order to get them away.

Or just shoot them in the face. I mean, I guess the banning works and everything, but the shooting's quicker.

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Posted: 8/5/2004 5:16:11 PM     Post subject:  

I prefer a Walther P99 for all my face-shooting. The up-close-and-personal feel is excellent, plus it provides the light weight and ease of use of a Glock with the accuracy and security of a well-tuned 1911. Plus it comes in two calibers: large exit wound, and extra-large exit wound!

The Walther P99, the choice of all professional face-shooters, from James Bond to MagKnightX.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 5:49:20 PM     Post subject:  

I'm not a big gun man, myself, but I did recieve a very gorgeous katana for my birthday.

Oh no.... Japaneez stuffs!!! Ima goin' ta heck!

"Besides, Japanese people do not like to have four or nine on their automobile license plates. For example, you won't see 4219 on any of the plates because it can read "shi ni i ku" in Japanese: meaning "go to hell"."
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Posted: 8/5/2004 7:17:26 PM     Post subject:  


"Besides, Japanese people do not like to have four or nine on their automobile license plates. For example, you won't see 4219 on any of the plates because it can read "shi ni i ku" in Japanese: meaning "go to hell"."


Uhm, thats the type of plate I would WANT

That or for a long time, I figure if I ever get an old 50's or 60's hearse (which is definatly on the long long list of vehicles I would like to someday own), I want a tasteless custom plate like "C U SOON" or equivalent.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 7:51:38 PM     Post subject:  

That or for a long time, I figure if I ever get an old 50's or 60's hearse (which is definatly on the long long list of vehicles I would like to someday own), I want a tasteless custom plate like "C U SOON" or equivalent.


If you harm one hair on the head of THAT BOY..
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Posted: 8/5/2004 8:03:35 PM     Post subject:  

That or for a long time, I figure if I ever get an old 50's or 60's hearse (which is definatly on the long long list of vehicles I would like to someday own), I want a tasteless custom plate like "C U SOON" or equivalent.


If you harm one hair on the head of THAT BOY..


huh?
harm? you mean like the fuck up the car?

The one I want, obviously - '59 cadillac M&M ...but not likely. hard to find to begin with.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 8:14:10 PM     Post subject:  

huh?

The one I want, obviously - '59 cadillac M&M ...but not likely. hard to find to begin with.


I see someone has not yet seen Phantasm.
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Posted: 8/5/2004 9:43:10 PM     Post subject:  


"Besides, Japanese people do not like to have four or nine on their automobile license plates. For example, you won't see 4219 on any of the plates because it can read "shi ni i ku" in Japanese: meaning "go to hell"."


Uhm, thats the type of plate I would WANT

That or for a long time, I figure if I ever get an old 50's or 60's hearse (which is definatly on the long long list of vehicles I would like to someday own), I want a tasteless custom plate like "C U SOON" or equivalent.

The page I got that from also mentioned that you typically don't see rooms numbered 4 or 9, 44, 99, 404, 909, etc. The character for four, shi or yon, is very much like the character for death. The character for nine, kyuu, is similar to a character that means "pain and suffering." You'll also never see a maternity ward with a room number.... hmm.... 14.. 42.... something like that. The kanji for it can also mean "stillbirth." It's superstitions kind of like Friday 13th for us.

That's also why some Japanese humor falls very flat when translated. The Japanese love puns. So, sometimes characters' names might be similar to a word in Japanese that makes it a pun, which is very funny to Japanese audiences. When translated, however, viewers may not be aware of the pun, or the name may have been changed completely. For example, the character of Akuma in the street fighter games to US players might just seem to be some dark, villainous character. Akuma, however, means "devil" or "satan," so, his name has extra significance to those who are familiar with the word.

A lot of the names in Inuyasha are like this. Sango, the demon huntress, wears an outfit with coral-colored accents. Sango means "coral." Her brother, Kohaku, wears an outfit with yellow accents. Kohaku means "amber."

I think the funniest I've seen is a geisha named Oishi, which means "delicious."

If you get a CUSOON plate, will you get Mandy Patinkin to be your driver?
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Posted: 8/5/2004 9:50:31 PM     Post subject:  

And on another, completely unrelated note,

DISKO SUPERSTAR!

Anyway, ZenZhu, you should totally be a gun guy. I can just see you being the pissed off guy at the range who always bitches about how his guns must suck because he can't hit the target, or how people need to stop firing when he's shooting because it's distracting.

Or just one of the usual, quiet ones.

Anyway, if in about two years any of you guys decide you want to try shooting, give me a call.

No, I will not give you my number.
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Posted: 8/6/2004 7:29:58 AM     Post subject:  

I see someone has not yet seen Phantasm.


nope, tho I really liked BubbaHotep..maybe I check it out sometime

It's superstitions kind of like Friday 13th for us.

That's also why some Japanese humor falls very flat when translated.


I can believe it. My brother is somewhat interested in Japan on a realistic level and was learning the language on his own very slowly, so I've picked up enough on how the language works. and in turn understand things like where that Chinese Coca-Cola "Bite the wax tadpole" semi-myth stuff comes from. (since Chinese/Japanese are very similiar and function the same way). Or how a phrase can have multiple layers of meaning.

Its probably a very beautiful labguage, but IMO, not worth really learning if you werent born into it. (unless of course you are dead set on it/intend on having many dealings over there)
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Posted: 8/6/2004 9:49:51 AM     Post subject:  

I prefer a Walther P99 for all my face-shooting. The up-close-and-personal feel is excellent, plus it provides the light weight and ease of use of a Glock with the accuracy and security of a well-tuned 1911. Plus it comes in two calibers: large exit wound, and extra-large exit wound!

The Walther P99, the choice of all professional face-shooters, from James Bond to MagKnightX.


For face shooting I prefer a Walther P38 or a double-barreled sawn-off shotgun.

BTW, this image came from a page for a little game someone made called Freelance Sniper. You can also create your own files for this game and snipe away at your favorite furry characters or people.


Thank you very much for the link, ZenZhu. Now I can exercise my sniper skills on my pc until I get a real gun.
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Posted: 8/6/2004 11:48:01 AM     Post subject:  

Now, I'll admit that the shotgun has its merits in that it blows damn near their entire face off, but at the same time, is that still a face shot, or is that just a head shot?

The Walther P38? Hah. That's for pussies. You can only do half as many face-shootings with that.

Now the real KING of face-shooting is the SIG P220, which, while it has a small magazine, has much larger bullets, meaning far more effective face-shootings.

Okay, this got pretty stupid after the first post. I'll quit now.
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Posted: 8/6/2004 11:54:28 AM     Post subject:  

I prefer a good old sharpened stick against all those "gun" and "katana" things. Nothing beats mankind's first tool and weapon!
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Posted: 8/6/2004 5:42:03 PM     Post subject:  

Anyway, ZenZhu, you should totally be a gun guy. I can just see you being the pissed off guy at the range who always bitches about how his guns must suck because he can't hit the target, or how people need to stop firing when he's shooting because it's distracting.

I could see enjoying them for sport shooting... the challenge of making a good shot, learning to squeeze the trigger, rather than pull it, etc... the "Zen archery" of handguns. I'd probably enjoy if there's a thing as sport sniping. I love the Silent Scope games.

"I don't know what the deal with that bald guy is. He comes in, stands there for about 10 minutes, and fires a single, though almost perfect, shot."

Heheheh.....

I'm not against guns for sport... and I definitely wish we could get better armaments in the hands of law enforcement officials so they'd have a fighting chance. I'm just turned off to their allure because of the folks that use them like a surrogate penis. Like Bubba and Junior clutching them in their sweaty hams and thinking that if they can't stroll through Wal-Mart with a sidearm, then the only solid line of defense between the Red Army and Sam's Best Cola will be lost.

For pure testosterone fun, though, I do like going Rambo with the arcade shooters... playing both guns at once. My favorite was a game called Hurricane Command. You played it from the perspective of a gunner on a helicopter. It had two big guns that looked like the things from Aliens, complete with a manly shoulder strap. I'd pump a couple of dollars into that, strap the guns across my body, and go Rambo with twin rifles. Way cool.

Its probably a very beautiful labguage, but IMO, not worth really learning if you werent born into it. (unless of course you are dead set on it/intend on having many dealings over there)

I used to describe Japanese as sounding like someone trying to violently expel a carroway seed lodged in their throat. But, once my thesis was done, I was looking for another intellectual challenge... something I could do for fun, but was also stimulating to my brain.

I "converted" to Zen Buddhism a couple of years ago as I learned more about it. Contrary to how it might seem, I didn't adopt it as "the Japanese thing to do." Rather, I became interested in Buddhism and read up on it. Many of the ideas presented in Buddhism echoed what I had thought and felt for much of my life, even being raised Christian. As I explored the various traditions, Soto Zen was what resonated with my thoughts and feelings most.

So, on one hand, I took up learning Japanese to gain a better perspective on the culture where Zen Buddhism evolved from other forms of Buddhism (Zen was sort of an evolution of C'han Buddhism). For example, it makes sense to me for a culture where the self is infrequently referred to to have warmed to a philosophy/religion where there is no concept of self.

Mostly, however, it was for the challenge. Also, I enjoy Asian cooking. I do more Chinese style than Japanese, but I've recently merged the two. My wok is more of a concave hibatchi now... I use a lot less sauce than most Chinese cooking. So, when I decided to learn a second language, I looked into Japanese versus Chinese.

Ultimately, Japanese won for two reasons. First, it seemed a lot easier to pick up through self-learning than Chinese. Second, my brain locks into it much better.

Another plus as I gain skill in it is that I am trying to transition from environmental consulting to technical writing. As I become more fluent, one of my hobbies can become a job skill.
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Posted: 8/16/2004 4:09:27 AM     Post subject:  


I could see enjoying them for sport shooting... the challenge of making a good shot, learning to squeeze the trigger, rather than pull it, etc... the "Zen archery" of handguns. I'd probably enjoy if there's a thing as sport sniping. I love the Silent Scope games.


You're in luck. It's called "precision high-power" and you can devote thousands and thousands of dollars and hours to it, and still suck until you get good. It's pretty fun, though. Tiny targets at over five hundred yards, five shots in one ragged hole.


Also, I enjoy Asian cooking. I do more Chinese style than Japanese, but I've recently merged the two. My wok is more of a concave hibatchi now... I use a lot less sauce than most Chinese cooking.


My experiments at azn style cooking have been failures. Except for rice. I can do rice real good. American and Middle Eastern rice dishes are more gooder than asian rice dishes. Mmm. Chicken gumbo on a bed of yellow rice, and lots of tabasco... *drool*

...I think we have just established that if there is ever a big CYD get-together, you and I are doing the cooking. Just as well, I suppose.
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Posted: 8/16/2004 3:57:06 PM     Post subject:  

Well, that makes it easy for me... make-your-own sushi bar. You clean the fish, scale it, gut it, slice it, cook the rice, mix the vinegar, and put it all together... and enjoy.

Fun was had by all.
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