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Posted: 8/31/2004 7:30:49 AM     Post subject: I find this article hilarious  

From Cyberporn's Addictive Dangers:

Most of us navigate quickly past the come-ons. But for some who are enticed to open these cyber doors, one click can ruin their lives.


But even the affair did not satisfy his addiction. "I had no idea what I was up against Internet pornography is the crack cocaine of sexual addiction," said Leahy.


Cheap, But at a Cost

On the Web, you can see plenty for free. Those in search of hard-core porn pay from $50 to thousands a month.


But he's a textbook example of the guy always looking for the next high, the next fix, and didn't care when he broke the law, although he wouldn't say how.


All these men live in a shadow world, insisting they're just normal guys. Which means anyone of them could be your husband, your brother or even your son.
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Posted: 8/31/2004 7:45:20 AM     Post subject: Re: I find this article hilarious  

From Cyberporn's Addictive Dangers:



On the Web, you can see plenty for free. Those in search of hard-core porn pay from $50 to thousands a month.


Wait, he actually PAYS for porn?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

edit: Won't someone think of the children?
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Posted: 8/31/2004 2:31:49 PM     Post subject:  

There's PORN on the internet?

FUCK, I always find these things out far too late in the game. :evil:
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Posted: 8/31/2004 2:46:52 PM     Post subject:  

Interesting article. And it's an interesting phenomenon. With something like a Playboy, you have to first get up the chutzpah to go in and buy it. When I turned 18 and went out to buy my first one (yeah, I'm a chump.. I waited until I was legal age and all), I cruised for about an hour before I found a mini mart where no one was around and the cashier was a guy (I was too embarassed to buy it from a female cashier). For someone that's married and sneaking porn, you also have to contend with keeping it stashed away.

I'm actually fairly lucky. My wife doesn't mind my little collection of anime babes and Asian chicks, because she knows I'd rather have her. Of course, some times of the month, that's not possible. She even buys me stuff like gashapon of Mai Shiranui of Fatal Fury (she said certain... attributes of Mai's remind me of her). She also likes softcore porn, and recently discovered softcore hentai isn't quite as lame as Cinemax porn, since at least there's not some jarhead-looking guy with a stupid gaping look on his face. :D Of course, I favor more demure nude photography, rather than your average Hustler spread shot. If I was into those, she might have a problem with it.

Anyway, digital porn makes it much easier to stash away on one's computer, so there's nothing to physically secret away. This is probably one reason these guys get into it..... like a child, they'll do something because they can.

"The number of fetish sites on the Web would astonish you," said New York-based sex therapist Dorothy Hayden. "Women with body hair bestiality it staggers the imagination."

I'm not exactly sure I'd lump women with body hair in with bestiality. That was kind of amusing. I wonder if Ms. Hayden has ever been to Europe.

"I would take time out of my day instead of making calls from, you know, 8 to 5," said Leahy. "I would hook up to the Internet and start looking at porn sites. It was pretty lurid stuff."

As time went on, his new passion took over. He lost job after job. It was an addiction without clear signs, a drug that left no track marks.

I don't think you can really blame internet porn for a case like this. This fellow probably has an addictive personality to begin with. If you set him near a casino, he'd probably be just as bad off with gambling. The internet makes the porn available, but the individual is what creates a situation where they're not focusing on their job, their family, etc. I'm not saying claiming it's addiction is a cop-out. They're finding that internet addiction, porn addiction, and gaming addiction is like gambling addiction... there are hormones released in the brain that create pleasurable sensations, as well as the addiction to certain thrills. Still, it's not as fully a chemical dependency like someone getting addicted to a drug after trying it once or twice. So, you really can't say "Internet porn is the culprit!" It's the actions and choices of the individual. Sure, porn is alluring.. but if you're neglecting your family and job for it, you should recognize something is wrong from the start.

"I was definitely living a double life," said Leahy.

At home, he was a father to two handsome, healthy sons. He earned a six-figure salary and his wife was a respected schoolteacher.

But behind closed doors there was something missing: sex.

"When we were having sex once or twice a year, I was getting my needs met every day," said Leahy. "Patti was one woman. And on the Internet, I can have thousands and thousands of women."

Not to mention millions of guys "experimenting" with each other online. (Prison gay furries, anyone?) One thing that lends itself to "cybercheating" is that a lot of people don't actually see it as cheating. Many people feel that it is not cheating because they are not physically with the person. But, clearly they invest more into a relationship with a person online than just wanking off to a picture.

He was also having an affair with a woman he'd met in a sex chat room who looked just like his favorites on the porn sites.

That's assuming he actually saw this woman.. like on webcam or something.. and not just pictures "she" sent. Chances are, it was some 50-year-old plumber from Yaznez, Alaska.

"Usually girls, but sometimes boys, who are just over 18, but who are marketable because they look like they're under 18," said Karen.

Her emotions went from confusion and anger to fear for her teenage daughter after discovering the collection. "I was very concerned that he was going to begin to sexualize her and her friends," said Karen.

This is one of the things I've always primarily worried about with the way things have gone in furrydom. With some of the more depraved fetishes not only tolerated, but actively defended and promoted by furrydom, who is to say things will always stop at simply drawing pictures and writing stories? Whenever I have seen a furry artist or writer confronted about drawing images or writing stories involving something like pedophilia or nonconsentual sex, they fall back on the defense of "Well, it's just a picture. I'm only drawing it. Not doing it." The same goes for if they're RPing it online... the defense being that it's just fantasy.

I've typically found this to be a weak defense because, as we know with some cases of sex offenders or murderers, it starts with fantasizing, but then can escalate once simple images or fantasizing/RPing become common enough that they fail to provide the stimuli they once did. I'm not implying furrydom is rampant with would-be child molestors and rapists and such, but the lack of community standards within the furry community certainly would make it very easy for someone to progress to increasing levels of depravity.

And, even if you're simply drawing/writing/RPing something... that does show that you are conceptualizing it. Take someone like Steve Burt, who specializes in furry images depicting characters that are dismembered, disemboweled, disfigured, skewered on spits, and other bloody and disturbing imagery. Now, he'll defend his work as simply an attempt to get a rise out of people. With someone like Doug Winger, I could believe it. Hyperphallic macros are so comically bizarre that I could buy him doing it simply for amusement. But with the kind of subject material Burt deals with... concepts that most healthy minds rally against, such as driving a stripper pole through someone, or tearing open their chest cavity during sex.... concepts that involve the suffering and/or death of another... I have a hard time buying that it is simply for comedic purposes or to "squick the mundanes."

The fact is, even if they're just drawing or writing about something like dismemberment or such during a sexual act.. let alone at all... they are thinking about it. They are taking this concept, taking the time to put pen to paper, and actually fetishizing it. One might argue that people that write murder mysteries or movies like Se7en are thinking about this, too. But, in those cases, those create events that portray the act as something bad. The culprits are the target of manhunts and legal prosecution.. not the hero (though maybe the focus). Something like bloody furry vore, dismemberment, skewering a character as they strip.... these are taking these concepts and saying "Hey... that's not only neat.. it's sexy." With movies like Se7en or A Clockwork Orange, the actions are depicted as they are viewed by most of society... as something that is not good... something not accepted, let alone fetishized.

My contention here is that, it takes a certain twist to an individual to come up with the kind of stuff like Steven King writes.... but it takes another to create such stuff and not only deem it acceptable, but sexy. Even if they are just drawing it, writing it, or RPing it.... they are taking a concept involving harm to another and acting it out... sating some part of their psyche. It says something about the person.. something we should not be telling them is perfectly normal.

Cyberporn is not just breaking up marriages. It can have another, even more insidious effect: keeping young people from even forming relationships.

C.J., 22, attends a Baptist university in the South. He is not using his real name for this interview, and calls himself a very conservative, spiritual guy.

In high school, he said, he was not popular and was uncomfortable with the idea of dating. "I hated myself. I did not believe that any girl would want to go out with me," said C.J.

That's typical talk for a teen, but C.J. found cyberporn helped him escape the pain because it gave him "control over situations."

Sex therapist Doug Weiss said he's treating more and more kids as young as 9 who are addicted.

"Their total sexuality is connected to it and their need for a real person is really limited," said Weiss.

Furry youth, anyone? This sounds like the stories of many of the young, furry newcomers. And then they spout this crap about how interaction on the 'net is "more real than reality, because no one is putting on the pretenses they put up in the real world."

I call bullshit on that. When a hairy construction worker named Hank from Rhode Island can convince some pimply teenager that he's a co-ed named Buffy from Cal State that likes to "experiment" with her roommates, you can bet there's plenty of pretenses flying around in cyberspace.

As far as 9-year old porn addicts.. that's not the 'net's fault. It's the parents'.

On the Web, you can see plenty for free. Those in search of hard-core porn pay from $50 to thousands a month.

Suckers. They obviously never heard of turning off Safe Search in the Google image search. :D Hell, with that off, I found nudie pictures just looking up an example of the color chartruse.

But he's a textbook example of the guy always looking for the next high, the next fix, and didn't care when he broke the law, although he wouldn't say how.

"I'm already a criminal. If the FBI came and took my computer today, I'd wind up in jail," said John. "There are images on there that would be considered beyond acceptable community standards

Gee.... WHAT DO YOU THINK HE MEANS BY THAT????????? :roll:

All these men live in a shadow world, insisting they're just normal guys. Which means anyone of them could be your husband, your brother or even your son.

Or even...... THE PERSON IN THE SEAT NEXT TO YOU!
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Posted: 8/31/2004 3:56:31 PM     Post subject:  

well, as we learned on broadway, The Internet Is For Porn.
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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:20:50 PM     Post subject:  

I'd love to read an article on why so many women are threatened by porn if they're husbands/partners watch/look at it.
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Posted: 9/1/2004 9:51:57 PM     Post subject:  

I think women are opposed to porn on a couple of levels.

First, they're taught to. Many women will actually admit that they like porn... not so much for the same thing as men. Women report (in articles in Cosmo, Glamor, etc.) that they actually like porn.. but more for the scenario depicted, or the sounds. They don't care so much about it visually. This isn't really surprising, since they probably have little interest in watching the women, and them men all look like slabs of beef in a mullet. (Let's face it.. men or women... most of us don't want to look at the guys in a porno because they look like dorks.)

But, women are typically fed the line that porn objectifies women and such. So, you have the aspect of opposing something simply because it's the societal standard.

Second, I'd figure some women are opposed to their husbands/etc. watching or looking at porn because they feel they should be looking at them in that way, and no one else. You could make the argument at this point that it's in a man's genes to be drawn to many different women... that whole biological urge to sew one's seed far and wide and stuff. But, to get a little more sophistocated than simple biology, people are drawn to admire another physically on different levels.

Speaking from a male perspective, some guys look at women like pieces of meat. If it has tits and a vagina, then its fair game, so long as it fits within their often narrow definition of what is attractive. Other men look at women with more of an appreciation of the various ways a woman can exhibit beauty. Rather than looking at a woman as if one was apprasing a car.. they look at them more like appreciating a work of art. Often, even, this kind of fellow has had some experience or at least exposure to art early in their development.

And, then, there's all kinds of ways of looking at women in the spectrum of how one goes about it. The overall stereotype of men, however, is that we're all assessing whether or not we want to bed someone... so that looking at another woman, especially naked, even in a magazine, should imply thoughts of straying from one's committments.

Speaking for myself, I'm more on the "women as art" side of the spectrum. I find things to appreciate about a wide array of women.. white, black, asian, hispanic, tall, short, thin, plump... each to be appreciated in its own right.. as with a painting or sculpture. I think a lot of it has to do with being taken to museums and given books on art with pictures such as The Birth of Venus or the works of Renoir and shown that nudity is not bad. I was beating off to books from the Louvre long before I ever saw my first Playboy. As such, I, and guys like me, have an easier time of viewing women as more than tits and ass. Hell, Barbra Eden could always tent my pants with her eyes alone.

This is one reason I tend to favor nudes like you'd see in higher-class photography, or that are much more prevalent in Japanese nudie mags (sure, there's some VERY hardcore stuff they put out, but much of their nude photography has an essence of capturing more candid moments, conveying the essence of a model moreso than simply laying out the goodies like a stand at a buffet). Your Hustler-esque spreadshots have their place but, IMO, are much more of a simple "here it is" depiction of a nude female. Some shots, like extreme closeups, look more like clinical diagrams than anything remotely artistic.

So, when guys like me look at a women, our wives, girlfriends, etc., can understand that we're not thinking "Man, I'd leave my wife for her in a heartbeat." We're just admiring the beauty that is woman. Just because I admire someone's street cycle doesn't mean I even ever want to attempt to ride one.

It's like guys that have wives or girlfriends that pose in Playboy. They often get asked if they're jealous of other men seeing their women naked. Their response is typically something like "They just get a picture. I get the real thing."

Women that are more confident with porn understand that looking at it does not constitute an urge to cheat. For example, my own directory on my computer is comprised almost entirely of asian nudes. It's not so much that they're asian, as that I simply favor the poses and overall photography in asian nude images. It could be a white or black woman in there, and it would still have most of the elements I like. Of course, my favoritism for Japanese women doesn't hurt. My wife, however, is not asian (bet that comes as a surprise). She knows, however, if I... tend to things... during that point of the month when we can't do anything... that looking at some babe in a half-open kimono doesn mean I want to leave her and go find an asian woman to hook up with. It's just indulging something I have an appreciation for.

So, that's my guess.. through a long and winding road of too much information, we have the speculation that 1)many women oppose porn because they're taught to.. or at least hide the fact that they like it to conform to what they think they should do, and 2)many women think husbands/boyfriends/etc. looking at porn constitutes a desire to abandon the relationship for something new.

As a final notion, let's face it.. most porn is geared for guys, and has a lot of stuff women don't care about. Guys often go for more hardcore because they get plenty of visual stimuli with closeups, cumshots, and Danza slaps. Women tend to prefer more softcore porn (as best as I can tell) because it sets a mood and gives audio stimuli, but without a lot of extreme visuals that they might find disgusting or even just too silly to be a turn-on. I've often wondered if there was a market for producing porn videos tailored more towards women's tastes.

Of course, if you're spanking the monkey online instead of bedding your wife or girlfriend.... yeah.. you have a problem.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 9:39:18 PM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.
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Posted: 9/2/2004 10:09:05 PM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.

Addict!
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Posted: 9/3/2004 1:23:37 AM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.


HERMAPHRODITE TAUR porn, I hope. Mmmmmmm...

...


Just tryin' to keep us all on topic.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 2:38:07 AM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.


HERMAPHRODITE TAUR porn, I hope. Mmmmmmm...

...


Just tryin' to keep us all on topic.

Well, if one could find a consumer willing to talk, it would be easy to write a slightly similar article on furry porn.

Most of us navigate quickly past the come-ons. But for some who are enticed to open these cyber doors, one click can ruin their lives. "I had no idea what I was up against furry porn is the crack cocaine of sexual addiction," said John Doe.
He's a textbook example of the guy always looking for the next skunk/fox slash fan fic, the next hermtaur tentacle rape pic, and didn't care when he broke the rules at the furry cons, although he wouldn't say how.
All these furries live in a shadow world, insisting they're normal.
"I was definitely living a double life," said Doe.
At home, he was respectable computer programmer living in his parents' basement. But behind closed doors there was something missing: zoophilia.
"When I was dating girls once or twice a year, I was getting disappointed every time," said Doe. "They were just women. And on the Internet, I can find thousands and thousands of tiger-striped porn star skunks."


etc...
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Posted: 9/3/2004 3:24:52 AM     Post subject:  

HERMAPHRODITE TAUR porn, I hope. Mmmmmmm...


Damn you, GOOGLE. (I died a little when it found things from a cuttenpaste. :( )
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:35:23 AM     Post subject:  

HERMAPHRODITE TAUR porn, I hope. Mmmmmmm...


Damn you, GOOGLE. (I died a little when it found things from a cuttenpaste. :( )


AAARGH That really wasn't intended as a challenge.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 8:56:34 AM     Post subject:  

Those who pay for pron on the internut deserve not to have money.
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Posted: 9/4/2004 11:40:14 AM     Post subject:  

HERMAPHRODITE TAUR porn, I hope. Mmmmmmm...


Damn you, GOOGLE. (I died a little when it found things from a cuttenpaste. :( )


Should it scare me that the art subject made me go meh but the anatomy made me wanna grab a big red pen and scribble on it....
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Posted: 9/5/2004 8:34:33 AM     Post subject:  

Guys guys guys, you're over-analysing it. Just sit back and watch the hysterics. I just love some of the lines in this article, like "ONE CLICK COULD RUIN YOUR LIFE". Reminds me of Narcotics: Pit Of Despair in spots.
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Posted: 9/5/2004 2:18:44 PM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.

I take it your using Mozilla Firefox then? Excellent choice my good man, exxxcellent choice.

Using the mouse gestures extension is faster. I can just set it up to cycle through tabs by holding down right-click and scrolling back and forth with the wheel.
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Posted: 9/5/2004 4:20:15 PM     Post subject:  

Just let everyone know, I'm alt-tabbing between porn on my computer and this thread.

I take it your using Mozilla Firefox then? Excellent choice my good man, exxxcellent choice.

Using the mouse gestures extension is faster. I can just set it up to cycle through tabs by holding down right-click and scrolling back and forth with the wheel.

You forgot to mention how it's great for browsing forums. :mrgreen:
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