Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Shmeckopolis · Venter Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 234

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-19738/

Premieres tonight, obsession should set in soon after...

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 307

The female lion characters have curves. The furries are going to freak out about it, saying things like "SEE? SEE? IT'S SEXY, MAN" and start claiming that hollywood is furry, too.

Oh, and the inevitable gopher/lion/sigfried porn.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 220

Every animated series NBC has tried to do has FAILED.

"Stressed Eric", David Spade's "Sammy", and "God The Devil And Bob."

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 307

"God The Devil And Bob."

They must have been horrible for me to only have remembered this one. I remember everyone at school talking about the show like it was the best thing in the world for about a week, and then suddenly everyone started talking about something else, and that was it.

Shmorky · Venter Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 220

"God The Devil And Bob."

They must have been horrible for me to only have remembered this one. I remember everyone at school talking about the show like it was the best thing in the world for about a week, and then suddenly everyone started talking about something else, and that was it.

They lasted 2 to 4 weeks before being pulled, many episodes never seen again.

Dogthing · Vociferator Joined: 26 Oct 2003 Posts: 307

They lasted 2 to 4 weeks before being pulled, many episodes never seen again.

oh

I saw previews for Father of the Pride at the movies. I foresee the same fate.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

Let's start with "Father of the Pride," which looks like a cuddly computer animated comedy about Siegfried and Roy's lions and has been advertised as "from the makers of 'Shrek.' " Should be perfect for children, right? WRONG!

"Pride" showcases innuendo and adult humor as it chronicles the home life of Larry (voiced by John Goodman) and Kate (voiced by Cheryl Hines), two mated lions who appear in the act made famous by Siegfried & Roy in Las Vegas.

In Tuesday's premiere, Larry is thrilled that Kate is in heat.

Here's the biggest problem with "Pride": It started with a concept. NBC executives saw the success of the first "Shrek" and wanted to do a weekly computer-animated TV series. They had to wait for computer technology to catch up with that idea, but when it did, the show remained a concept in search of a story. The best TV shows are those that have characters viewers care about, get invested in and want to spend time with.

"Pride" can be an amusing, semi-irreverent diversion, but in the first two episodes, I didn't care about any of the characters because not enough care was put into crafting them as individuals. They're all types we've seen before.

Little does NBC know what it is about to unleash upon the earth.

Anyone want to start a pool on how long it will be before Father of the Pride pr0n starts popping up on VCL? It can be a cross bet between time, and whether the female characters will show up first, or the father and the son. (I think that's a sucker bet, though.)

Oh, and here's the premise, apparently:

YOU'RE A PANDA... HE'S A PANDA -- In the quest to create a panda-breeding program, Siegfried (voiced by Julian Holloway) and Roy (voiced by Dave Herman) import one of the few remaining male pandas (voiced by guest star Andy Richter) to the secret garden for an intimate rendezvous with the community's romantically challenged female panda Foo-Lin (voiced by guest star Lisa Kudrow). However, when Larry (voiced by John Goodman) and Kate (voiced by Cheryl Hines) play matchmaker in order to speed up nature, they end up disrupting the complex process of panda-mating. Carl Reiner, Orlando Jones, Daryl Sabara and Danielle Harris also star.TV-14

So, not only is it furry characters.... 1T'5 FUZZ13 PANDA HUMP1NG!!!

And the icing on the cake.... NBC's "bio" on the little kid.....

Birthplace:
Middle Earth... I wish.

Astrological Sign:
Star Wars. Thank you. It's got 'star' in it.

Favorite Food:
Elves' bread.

Hobbies:
Wedgies. Getting them.

I have a secret crush on...
Queen Amidala and Carmelo Anthony

Favorite thing about Las Vegas?
The Luxor. It looks like Mordor.

Most embarrassing moment:
Waiting on hold for two hours to talk to Ryan Seacrest. Seacrest OUT!

FUZZ13 G33K!!

To boot, the daughter is apparently Wiccan.

Cheeeeeeeee-rist! You'd think Dreamworks polled AnthroCon attendees to find out what they'd want in characters.

DREAMWORKS, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US!!!!!!!!!??????

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 370

So, not only is it furry characters.... 1T'5 FUZZ13 PANDA HUMP1NG!!!

That makes me a saaaaaaaaaad panda.
But seriously, how they don't know this show is gonna bomb bigtime escapes me.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

Of course, it's failure will reaffirm that, contrary to popular furry belief, fuzzy characters are not enough to appeal to the masses. They're always quick to cite Bugs Bunny and company as great examples of how furries appeal to masses.

Bzzzt.

Characters in well-animated (for the most part), well-written, humorous cartoons can endear themselves to the masses... fuzzy or not. Bland, uninteresting, poorly-developed characters will just have no appeal, no matter how cute and fluffy they are.

In other words.. even though they'll turn a blind eye to it.. Father of the Pride's inevitable failure helps to verify that furries just don't appeal to the general populace as anything other than little cartoon characters for kids.

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 462

I am predicting unfunny on a scale so staggering that whatever the furries do to it will be an improvement.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

I am predicting unfunny on a scale so staggering that whatever the furries do to it will be an improvement.

...much like they did for everything else?

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 462

HOLY HELL, I WAS RIGHT. That fucking show is UNWATCHABLE. I know because I've just tried. I guess it was worth it because I can now say that I have ACTUALLY SEEN (as opposed to merely seeing ads for) one of the biggest bombs in television history.

Good fucking lord, that dialogue was so goddamn bad. Good actors can put a spin of conviction on bad dialogue if they try, but that's pretty much only if said dialogue is merely hammy as opposed to trying to be funny.

Sure, the show oozed "avoid at all costs" from every orifice during the lenghty promotion, but even then it managed to be even sadder than expected. SEE IT'S FUNNY AND EDGY BECAUSE THE TALKING ANIMALS ARE LIKE DOING IT OFF CAMERA AND STUFF AND RECYCLING "FRIENDS" JOKES (BADLY) AND OH HOLY HELL MAKE IT STOP.

Going back to the furry factor, I've read furry webcomics that have managed to be funnier. Think about that for a second. This is television's "Brother Bear", folks.

I am predicting unfunny on a scale so staggering that whatever the furries do to it will be an improvement.

...much like they did for everything else?

Well, it's not like Gundam could possibly be made any LESS gay.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

Well, it's not like Gundam could be made any LESS gay.

That's a girl. I think. Never seen the show, however.

The New Meat · Vociferator Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 466

This is television's "Brother Bear", folks.

NO NO NO THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE DEAR LORD I DON'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA

mouse · Needs to get out more Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 817

Anyone want to start a pool on how long it will be before Father of the Pride pr0n starts popping up on VCL?

I dunno dude...after the dissapointing furry turnout for slashing brother bear I have my doubts. (last I knew)

Making believable porn of "Father of the Pride" would require a lot of time and effort (and skill with 3d art) to make a believable porn scene. mediocre or half-decent artists can pull off porn parodies of simple cartoon characters (lately it seems furies arnt even capable of doing that right) .... but most likely, if anything its going to be a bunch of screen grabs with dicks drawn on in MS paint. Oddly appropriate for furry fandom.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

its going to be a bunch of screen grabs with dicks drawn on in MS paint. Oddly appropriate for furry fandom.

Fuck you, ok. I had almost forgotten this* shit.

* NOT WORK SAFE, MAYBE.

thegunman · Rasophore Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 54

you all beat me to it, just read about it in the paper. the writer of the the story also didn't give it much of a chance.

to me it looks like a furry version of all the other retarded shows on the tube.

MagKnightX · Venter Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 286

Just because of the name, I'll be avoiding it. Any show that uses a pun for its title is going to be gay. First rule of television gayness.

It's really not surprising that it's already a bomb. I mean, come on, what sort of premise could it be for an animated sitcom (answer: a shitty one), having there be talking lions that perform for Siegfried and Roy. The presence of those two already sets the Basic Gayness Level at fifty-seven (somewhere in the Frequent Experimentation field, almost to the Barebacking level).

Google search turns up no slash yet. Just wait.

Hey, at least it's NBC that'll be losing 1.9 million dollars a week for thirteen weeks.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

Hey, at least it's NBC that'll be losing 1.9 million dollars a week for thirteen weeks.

Not all losses were bombs.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 370

Hey, at least it's NBC that'll be losing 1.9 million dollars a week for thirteen weeks.

I can just imagine someone pitching this...

"Hey man, don't you know? CG animation is the new and improved cartoon! We're getting in on the ground floor. You remember finding Nemo and all those other CG movies that did well, right? Well here's the idea, instead of aiming it at kids who might actually watch it, we're going to aim it at adults who find cartoons stupid and below them. Heck, we'll even make the characters animals, just like in cartoons; isn't that funny?! No matter what we do with it, we can't go wrong. Whaddoya say?!"

"Sounds great!" *bandwagon*

I post too many pictures.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

Apparently, the idea behind Father of the Pride was to ride the coattails of the surprising popularity Shrek had among adults. The show is built around a concept, rather than a story. Rather than developing an overall story and really fleshing the characters out, they simply built fluff up around the concept of "Hey, it's CG like Shrek, and the characters are EDGY* because they're KY00TE ANIMAL CHARACTERS IN ADULT SITUATIONS! HAW HAW HAW!"

Wait... wait..... let's break this down:
1) Animal characters
2) Lots of sexual innuendo
3) Poorly developed plots
4) Poor character development
5) The fact that they are animals was determined to be reason enough to create the show

Good grief.... it just gets furrier and furrier. It's like..... like..... like someone sold Dreamworks their fanfics.

*As far as I can make out, "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy -- not to mention the spending money -- out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan. - Daria

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 563

Let's hold on a fucking minute and grab some air, shall we?

This is NOT a furry show.

It IS a show with furry elements.

But it is, once again, NOT a furry show.

Yes, it does SUCK LIKE AN ELECTROLUX.

No, it is NOT because of the furryness.

This is merely another sucktastic show not thought out, pandering to the short attention span of America, and consequently, no one has wasted their time on plot and character development. After all, this is not freaking Dune here.

If we wanted an anthropomorphic classic with monumental input and work, the result of which would stand for all time, no one would spend dime one on it and if they did, would lose every dime. There's never going to be an athropomorphic Gone With the Wind. The attention span of the western world isn't great enough.

GoManVanGogh · Venter Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 221

Hey, I was too busy playing "WWE: Day of Reckoning" to even watch the damn thing.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 370

Pretty much what Kadius wrote, but waaay better.*

Right you are Ken!

*I'm not being a smartass.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

Let's hold on a fucking minute and grab some air, shall we?

This is NOT a furry show.

It IS a show with furry elements.

But it is, once again, NOT a furry show.

That's kind of the whole point here, Wayd. We're all observing how something that didn't even set out to be furry is amazingly furry-like, right down to the suck factor stemming from the entire premise for the show not being fleshed out beyond the concept of talking animals in adult situations.

Next you'll be expounding on how it was an amazing coincidence that Lou Gehrig was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's Disease. :D

Mitch · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 362

From a review on the Boston Globe website:

There's a reason many of us have never much wanted to think about the sexual exploits of Goofy, Pluto, Astro, and Dino. It's a dissonant experience, looking at innocent but hearing randy. Occasionally, a show such as "South Park" or a movie such as 1972's "Fritz the Cat" will intentionally play with the yoking together of opposites to make viewers uncomfortable. But "Pride" isn't trying to be edgy in a Comedy Central kind of way. The show, which NBC is hoping will help fill the ratings gap left by "Frasier" and "Friends," is trying to be a sitcom for adults. It wants to be "My Wife and Cubs."

Ahem.

21st Century Digital Boy · Rasophore Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 60

As far as I can make out, "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy -- not to mention the spending money -- out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan. - Daria

Couldn't resist.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

Well, Friends didn't really appeal to me. It had one of the same pitfalls that made me dispise Seinfeld. Namely, the character's tendency to create their weekly troubles for themselves by opening their big trap. You can only watch Jerry dig his own holes deeper before you want to help him to avoid putting his foot in his mouth by taking taking a sledgehammer to his face and forcing bodily harm upon him that would require him to have his jaw wired shut. I can understand, however, that Friends and Seinfeld resonated with a lot of people.

Frasier, on the other hand, I really enjoyed early on. After a while, I was doing other things whenever it was on, and fell out of synch with it. The few times I caught a new episode, I found myself not really paying attention to it, as it had been retooled a bit and I was lost amidst the changes. Still, I thought Frasier was very good at bringing a highbrow quality to a lot of lowbrow comedy... like dressing a clown in an Armani suit.

Love them or hate them, Friends and Frasier, admittedly, stood out among the annals of sitcoms with a rare few... few of which were made after about 1980, save the ones that perpetuated into the 80's, such as M*A*S*H.

The Simpsons, I think, paved the way for more adult-oriented cartoons being accepted on a larger scale. Drawing on much of the elements of classic family cartoons like The Flinstones, and elements of family sitcoms, it took the hijinks of a family cast and brought their exploits out of the age of My Three Sons into the 90's, where the kids in shows weren't just going about finding their way out of comedic mischief each week.... they were finding their way out of just plain stupid shit, as kids seem more prone to doing these days.

The Simpsons also demonstrated that animation was a viable form of presenting entertainment to adults, as you can get away with a lot more in cartoons than you can in real life... from comedic nudity to stuff that would maim even the most proficient stuntman. In short, The Simpsons just could not work as a live-cast show.

But, I think you get into territory where things just lose their appeal with animal characters in adult situations. As the Globe reporter points out.. for starters.. most people just don't look at animals in that way. Sure, you might see lions humping on Animal Planet, but it's not something folks other than a furry fanboy is going to fantasize about.

Let's think back to the discussion of porn in another thread. If a woman turns around and bends over, lifting her skirt... most (well, most guys) would consider that a good thing. If, however, your cat does that stretchy thing where it shunts its tail up into the air.... most people probably start wondering if the cat could learn to live with a 5lb. weight tied to its tail so that they didn't have to witness that again.

Furthermore, most people just can't relate to animals. Now, one might start to argue the appeal WB toons like Bugs Bunny and Pepe LePew hold for adults. I think, in reality, people identify more with the situations the characters are in. They defy laws (even of physics) and sensibilities in a way we sometimes wish we could.

In some ways, anthros do hold an appeal.. and an advantage.. in that they are not a person. Bugs Bunny was an "everyman," because he wasn't a man. People identified with Pepe LePew.. not because he was a skunk.. but because he embodied the thrill of the pursuit of romance. Tom and Jerry were endearing because their conflicts reflect our own elusive pursits.

So, good, well-crafted anthropomorphic characters CAN have an advantage, and CAN have people identify with them.. but not simply because they are animals. The fact that they are animals simply means people don't have a specific, human face to attribute their antics to. But, well-crafted anthros embody qualities moreso than they embody animal traits. Tom and Jerry weren't popular solely because they were a cat and mouse.. but because they refused to give up. Tom continued to pursue what always eluded his grasp. Jerry continued to survive against huge odds. And those qualities were what made people identify with them. The cute cartoon cat and mouse were just gift wrapping. In the case of Bugs Bunny... he was the guy that always had the answer... always had the comeback.. and, even when things looked bad for him... always knew he was going to get out of a jam. Again, that's what people identified with.

But, lions talking about doing the mattress mambo... people can't identify with that. Not from animal characters, at least. Foul-mouthed, pot-smoking, whoring animals might be amusing as a novelty, such as with Fritz the Cat. But, on a grand scale like WB cartoons enjoyed.... people just can't relate to it. Father of the Pride gets double demerits for relating it too closely back to animal physiology. If the father had said his wife was "in the mood," rather than "in heat," it might have been passable. But, for us humans (we'll excuse those of you who may be reading who are really dead wolf spirits trapped in human shells), the concept of an animal in heat does not make us relate to the John Goodman's character and think "hoo boy... I know what it's like when my wife is in the mood." The idea of an animal in heat conjures images of the times we've had to put sheets on the couches or something because the dog has been in heat and is getting vaginal blood everywhere.

Father of the Pride looks like it will suffer from a lack of focus and any storytelling skill whatsoever. The fact that it is funny talking animals is not only not a saving grace that would provide enough novelty to enjoy even marginal success, but, I think, will actually expedite its demise.

NBC wanted to build on the success of Shrek. But, with Shrek, you have to think about the fact that it was populated with storybook characters. These were characters most of us have a histroy with from our childhood.. being read stories.. imagery on school walls. Giving Puss 'n' Boots the voice and je ne sais quois of Antonio Banderas drew on something adults are familiar with from way back in their childhood and put a modern spin on it that had enough of a balance between something old and familiar and something new and novel to be a hit.

With Father of the Pride, though, it's just going to be considered too wrong, too foreign, and too lacking by most people to have any appeal.

And, yes, the very presence of Seigfried and Roy ups the gayness factor far too much for most folks as it is. The only reason they might idly peek now and then is to see when one of the prancing pair will ultimately try taking the cub up the backside.

And it doesn't help their efforts that in real life, Roy Horn was attacked last year by one of the very lions portrayed so harmlessly on the show.

Speaking of school days... I think this guy may have been out with the flu the day the teacher introduced the chapter on big cats.

Lions and tigers and queers.. Oh my.

Edit: Digital Boy... love the pic. Let's Do a Dew to celebrate.

Wayd Wolf · Vociferator Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 563

What I meant was that perhaps the idea that furries would see this as "theirs" was also way too obvious and beyond needing to be mentioned.

I mean, there's not one thing with talking animals that they DON'T take as theirs.

So why bother giving a fark about it?

No big deal either way, but sometimes we're shithammering the obvious to death. While there's some furries who could use that, there's sometimes no need to do it with abstract subjects.

YMMV, of course.

I would love to see something done right. But I don't think it could ever happen. I'll settle for what I create and see in my mind's eye.

thegunman · Rasophore Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 54

Good grief.... it just gets furrier and furrier. It's like..... like..... like someone sold Dreamworks their fanfics.

if they haven't already you just know the studio is going to be swamped with emails from furry fans. they'll be sending them all their show ideas or want their stories made into a show.

IceCat · Coadjutor Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 90

The Father of the Pride is like watching a trainwreck, you know you shouldn't be watching it, but it's interseting to see how long it's going to last.

Even if it does'nt survive being on the idiot box, it'll turn up on DVD within 6 months of it's cancelation, or within 1 month of it's next season.

Oh and I'm having fun watching the show, it's so awful it's entertaining.

Later.

IceCat

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

What I meant was that perhaps the idea that furries would see this as "theirs" was also way too obvious and beyond needing to be mentioned.

I mean, there's not one thing with talking animals that they DON'T take as theirs.

Well, duh.

No big deal either way, but sometimes we're shithammering the obvious to death. While there's some furries who could use that, there's sometimes no need to do it with abstract subjects.

Overall, there hasn't been too much mentioned about the furries, other than a few references to how amazingly the show's mechanics follow furry formulas for suckitude. I don't see the convo so much as beating something related to furry to death as deconstructing why the show is destined for failure in the eyes of the non-furry public... the fact that it mishandles the use of talking animals being one of those elements that impairs it, but overall suffering from simple bad development.

Not to mention the presence of Siefried and Roy.

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Venter Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 254

I haven't seen it on TV yet, and I'll probably just download the episodes. By the time I get around to watching it'll probably already be canceled, and the near-DVD quality encodes from an HDTV source will look way better than the local broadcast stations anyway.

Does anyone here remember a show called Aliens In The Family from some years back? It had a Brady Bunch premise about a single father married to an alien woman with kids of her own, which wouldn't be so bad except the aliens looked like big headed squid. It lasted maybe three episodes in an evening time slot, and afterwards they tried to shovel it off on kids by putting it in a Saturday morning slot. Apparently, it sucked so bad that even kids were smart enough not to watch it.

Dinosaurs also comes to mind, though it wasn't nearly as bad (though I didn't care fot it).

The idea of an animal in heat conjures images of the times we've had to put sheets on the couches or something because the dog has been in heat and is getting vaginal blood everywhere.

Thank you for that image.

Shmeckopolis · Venter Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 234

Dinosaurs also comes to mind, though it wasn't nearly as bad (though I didn't care fot it).

Except Dinosaurs was on for quite a while. Hardly lasting 3 episodes, and was a huge hit with kids (constant quotes of "Not The Mama" come to mind).

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

The last 'funny animal' or even remotely 'furry' show I saw was "Kanga-Roddie", and that's because an ex-roommate was in it. Bleh. Glad I don't have a TV right now.

eatenmyeyes · Qualificator Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 21

<Raistlin Majere>

Hey! There is no need to drag him into this. What did he ever do to you, huh?

...He does look pretty cool in that picture though...

Anonymous · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 766

Panda furries you say? Here's the closest thing that remains remotely entertaining. :o
http://oralsex.ytmnd.com/

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 462

YOUR SIG

MAKE IT SMALLER

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

What the fuck is this obsession with Chanta-Ra? I found it (bleh) and used it in an FYAD Furry Porn-fest, and was declared the winner. Please don't tell me it somehow managed to get... a following. That would make me a sad panda.

Sehvekah · Qualificator Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 29

I can only post the link, you're the one who has to click on it.

Kadius · Vociferator Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 370

I can only post the link, you're the one who has to click on it.

God isn't here right now.

MagKnightX · Venter Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 286

I can only post the link, you're the one who has to click on it.

You're going to go to hell, and I pray that somebody will send you there early and painfully, you cockass.

Ebonyleopard · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 126

The last 'funny animal' or even remotely 'furry' show I saw was "Kanga-Roddie", and that's because an ex-roommate was in it. Bleh. Glad I don't have a TV right now.

What's that and when did that come on?

Skunkfuckers Inc. · Venter Joined: 20 Jan 2004 Posts: 254

I can only post the link, you're the one who has to click on it.

God isn't here right now.

You know, I was in the middle of replying to that earlier, but I inexplicably lost the will to post.

Now I wonder, is there a prize for being the first artist to produce pornographic fanart for a new franchise? Is it like a race? Are there disputes over who drew it first? Do I give extra points to the artist for not merely drawing the lesbian gophers or the tiger couple, but going all out and drawing a whole family engaged in an incestuous orgy?

Bear in mind that by "prizes" I mean Horrible, Terrible Pain, and by "extra points" I mean More Ass-Rending Pain.

I found I actually like Father of the Pride. It's not even close to being Simpsons quality, but it's cute and disarming and makes me laugh. And contrary to what I'd braced myself for, minutes into watching it I dropped my guard and forgot furries existed. It's a happy show, and it makes me smile at it's silliness. And the promo for the episode guest starring Eddie Murphy as Donkey looks to be really, really funny. Funny enough to make even the most jaded CYD poster here laugh. I think I'll watch it, and the furries can all go kill themselves.

Right, fuck. I think I'll take the weekend off from furry bullshit. This is giving me a headache.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

The last 'funny animal' or even remotely 'furry' show I saw was "Kanga-Roddie", and that's because an ex-roommate was in it. Bleh. Glad I don't have a TV right now.

What's that and when did that come on?

Kanga Roddy, 1998. It was on the local PBS affiliate, if memory served, sponsored by such wonders as Joe Montana, and other spoiled celebs.

Beyond that, I can't say anything other than the main character was a Kangaroo who did jujitsu or some shit like that.

Shudder. Oh, how the mighty have fallen since Happy Days.

Ebonyleopard · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 126

The last 'funny animal' or even remotely 'furry' show I saw was "Kanga-Roddie", and that's because an ex-roommate was in it. Bleh. Glad I don't have a TV right now.

What's that and when did that come on?

Kanga Roddy, 1998. It was on the local PBS affiliate, if memory served, sponsored by such wonders as Joe Montana, and other spoiled celebs.

Beyond that, I can't say anything other than the main character was a Kangaroo who did jujitsu or some shit like that.

Shudder. Oh, how the mighty have fallen since Happy Days.

Hmm, never heard of it. Must have been real short lived.

Only question I have is, is there such a thing as non-violent martial arts? I mean, if it's not violent, what's the point of even haivng it in the show?

Kinda like that stupid animated Titanic movie where everyone gets off alive. Huh?

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

Only question I have is, is there such a thing as non-violent martial arts? I mean, if it's not violent, what's the point of even haivng it in the show?

Kinda like that stupid animated Titanic movie where everyone gets off alive. Huh?

I don't know. I saw it once. He kicked at the screen. I, being the decidedly not-interested-and-drunk bastard at the time, gave it a shrug, then went back to my bedroom to pass out for an hour or two.

I think they just used the martial arts as some generic bullshit way to have him appeal to the younger (and sadly, elder) masses who watched the show.

It was made for kids. Actually, it was made to appease and stroke some of KTEH's larger sponsors, and their wives, but it was 'made for kids'.

Ebonyleopard · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 126

It was made for kids. Actually, it was made to appease and stroke some of KTEH's larger sponsors, and their wives, but it was 'made for kids'.

I know, but I mean, it's the Titanic. The point is that it sank with people on it. I can see some little kid now doing a report on the Titanic that ends with everyone getting off safe. (Unlike that old, what was anime, but at the time nobody know what that was, Titanic that did have people go down with the ship. Man, those really really old anime's that came here with different names back in the early 80s.)

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

I know, but I mean, it's the Titanic. The point is that it sank with people on it. I can see some little kid now doing a report on the Titanic that ends with everyone getting off safe. (Unlike that old, what was anime, but at the time nobody know what that was, Titanic that did have people go down with the ship. Man, those really really old anime's that came here with different names back in the early 80s.)

I was speaking of Kanga-Roddy actually. The issue with the Titanic is just crass, corporate america doing what it does best - sucking the soul out of anything for a buck. I'd like to blame Ted Turner for cutting up and colorizing films, but... I can't.

The worst anime I saw was "Flight of the Butterflies", or something rather similar. This horrible, touching story of a sibling and her brother, and how they eventually die. Only cartoon that had me bawling... and I was like 20. :(

Ebonyleopard · Prattler Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 126

I know, but I mean, it's the Titanic. The point is that it sank with people on it. I can see some little kid now doing a report on the Titanic that ends with everyone getting off safe. (Unlike that old, what was anime, but at the time nobody know what that was, Titanic that did have people go down with the ship. Man, those really really old anime's that came here with different names back in the early 80s.)

I was speaking of Kanga-Roddy actually. The issue with the Titanic is just crass, corporate america doing what it does best - sucking the soul out of anything for a buck. I'd like to blame Ted Turner for cutting up and colorizing films, but... I can't.

The worst anime I saw was "Flight of the Butterflies", or something rather similar. This horrible, touching story of a sibling and her brother, and how they eventually die. Only cartoon that had me bawling... and I was like 20. :(

When you said worst, I thought you were going to say you didn't like it. I own that, but I only watched it once, and wasn't paying that much attention to it at the time either, so I'd have to rewatch it to get it's full impact.

Jungle Emperor Leo kind had me like that because Iw asn't expecting the the main characters to die, particularly Lyra I think her name was (the female). She died in what had to be one of the most painful looking death scenes I can remeber in a toon of a long lasting main character. Sounded like her lungs filled up with fluid and she sufficated.

ZenZhu · Needs to get out more Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 897

The worst anime I saw was "Flight of the Butterflies", or something rather similar. This horrible, touching story of a sibling and her brother, and how they eventually die. Only cartoon that had me bawling... and I was like 20. :(

I'm guessing "Grave of Fireflies." I haven't seen it, myself, and the depressing reviews are exactly why.

Interestingly enough, if you scroll down the page, someone must be using a "pen name" for voice acting, or their parents were either a) geologists, b) sadistic, or c) sadistic geologists. Rhoda Chrosite is a play on the mineral name rhodochrosite. That's still not as bad as the geology professor that used to teach where I had gone to school that named his daughters Amber, Mica, and Biotite.

Rankin · Needs to get out more Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 891

I'm guessing "Grave of Fireflies." I haven't seen it, myself, and the depressing reviews are exactly why.

That's the one. It's horribly depressing. My guess is that it's a pseudonym - after all, ti wasn't made by, or for the English speaking market.

Big Evil Ogre · Apocrisiary Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 44

Actually same here. And my right thumb hates me for it. I have to take some time off from all that A button mashing. We gotta have our priorities don't we?

Hey, I was too busy playing "WWE: Day of Reckoning" to even watch the damn thing.

Paul · Venter Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 297

Reanimating this old thread to link to this Dateline: Hollywood article/spoof, which confirms the predictions of those who said that Father of the Pride would bomb royally.

When asked about the show, random passersby in New York City and Los Angeles were baffled by the question, “Did you ever see a show on NBC called ‘Father of the Pride?’”

“Isn’t that the movie with Steve Martin and his girl gets married?” said 38 year old Lisa Quintal.

“Never heard of it. Is it porn?” said 19 year old Paul Wingfield.

“Whatever it is, it sounds really gay!” said 22 year old Raymond Thurm.

creature · Venter Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 221

Reanimating this old thread to link to this Dateline: Hollywood article/spoof, which confirms the predictions of those who said that Father of the Pride would bomb royally.

When asked about the show, random passersby in New York City and Los Angeles were baffled by the question, “Did you ever see a show on NBC called ‘Father of the Pride?’”

“Isn’t that the movie with Steve Martin and his girl gets married?” said 38 year old Lisa Quintal.

“Never heard of it. Is it porn?” said 19 year old Paul Wingfield.

“Whatever it is, it sounds really gay!” said 22 year old Raymond Thurm.

Sad part is it was actually pretty funny at times. Specially the Siegfried and Roy bits.