Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

S.I.D.S. · Recusant Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 5

Sorry if this is out of line or just insignificant to yall, but I am curious to see what others beleive and to spark civil thought.

So I've been thinking. The whole furry thing, it all revolves around a sexual desire. Don't you think so? Is there anyone who can really say they are not in it for the atractive aspect? Sure, there is the fantasy and the "deep connection" to your animal spirit thing going on, but seriously, I'm starting to beleive it's all ab out sex. Besides, how enthusiastic are you about bad art or just art that doesn't erk your hey-hey? You can attach alot of fantasy and wishful thinking, as well as "furs for peace" stuff like that but it revolves around a fetish, don't you think so? :twisted:

What's more, all furs seem to be either a some kind of cat, wolf, skunk, dragon, horse, fox, otter, or something like that. Where are the baboons? The ugly animals? Also, it seems all the popular art has a cute or attractive aspect to it (correct me if I'm wrong, thanks!).

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

No shit, Sherlock.

But yes, I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

What's more, all furs seem to be either a some kind of cat, wolf, skunk, dragon, horse, fox, otter, or something like that. Where are the baboons? The ugly animals? Also, it seems all the popular art has a cute or attractive aspect to it (correct me if I'm wrong, thanks!).

Notice nobody chooses the potato bug for their spirit totem. Odd, isn't it?

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Sorry if this is out of line or just insignificant to yall, but I am curious to see what others beleive and to spark civil thought.

So I've been thinking. The whole furry thing, it all revolves around a sexual desire. Don't you think so? Is there anyone who can really say they are not in it for the atractive aspect? Sure, there is the fantasy and the "deep connection" to your animal spirit thing going on, but seriously, I'm starting to beleive it's all ab out sex. Besides, how enthusiastic are you about bad art or just art that doesn't erk your hey-hey? You can attach alot of fantasy and wishful thinking, as well as "furs for peace" stuff like that but it revolves around a fetish, don't you think so? :twisted:

uhh, i think it REALLY depends on who you ask and what types of art/activities your looking at.
in some cases i would say its VERY untrue.

What's more, all furs seem to be either a some kind of cat, wolf, skunk, dragon, horse, fox, otter, or something like that. Where are the baboons? The ugly animals? Also, it seems all the popular art has a cute or attractive aspect to it (correct me if I'm wrong, thanks!).

well, heres one way of looking at it and maybe someone should look into this...geographic location, and other backgrounds

and im not basing the following on any type of static either
these are just guesses as which animal that people from different areas may lean towards (as in these animals they are more likely to be familiar with and like)

in the south you got a lot of horses, deer, racoons,

maybe more rabbits and foxes in the midwest

out west you got wolves, coyotes, elk

in major metropolitan areas you see cats dogs, rodents, maybe some birds (im not sure if avians are rare in furry or not)

people who got involved more through fantasy D&D type of background, this is where all the gryphons, dragons, centaurs and stuff are coming from

(obviously a lot of these animals are all over the country, so that was just a very loose interperetation...theres coyotes in the rural outskirts of buffalo, but i still kind of associate them with the desert and southwest)

as far as why no ones a potato bug...
why pick the potato bug when there is an armadillo

seriously tho, this thought-pattern was bogus when squeerat introduced it, and it is today as well (same goes for when people bring up sam "UncleKagi" conway as some sort of counter-argument to this. he roleplayed a cochroach SIMPLY to be different, and nothing more. he said so himself.)

im not going to attack someone having a "spirit animal" or a "totem" and im not gonna really defend it either.

i guess my whole complaint on this issue is that whenever its brought up its done in the fashion that: "people always have lions and tigers and NOBLE stuff, and theres never any insect spirit animals"...that neither validates nor invalidates it, you've merely pointed out a trend. yet this observation is always treated as if it proves something... if everyone had "lowly" or insect spirit animals would you REALLY think that it was any less weird ? no? why bother bringing it up?
just stick to strictly whether the spirit animal or totem exists or not, not WHAT it happens to be ..because its really irrelevant - IMO anyway ...i think that someone can pick something and not be so symbolic about it. e.g. if some furry think he is, or has a spirit of , or thier animal spirit is, a lion...it might not be some inferiority complex or megalomania ....maybe the dude just likes lions ...just got caught up in the whole religious thing and forget why he originally liked them in the first place, maybe it was the lion king or whatever.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

well, heres one way of looking at it and maybe someone should look into this...geographic location, and other backgrounds

and im not basing the following on any type of static either
these are just guesses as which animal that people from different areas may lean towards (as in these animals they are more likely to be familiar with and like)

in the south you got a lot of horses, deer, racoons,

maybe more rabbits and foxes in the midwest

out west you got wolves, coyotes, elk

in major metropolitan areas you see cats dogs, rodents, maybe some birds (im not sure if avians are rare in furry or not)

people who got involved more through fantasy D&D type of background, this is where all the gryphons, dragons, centaurs and stuff are coming from

(obviously a lot of these animals are all over the country, so that was just a very loose interperetation...theres coyotes in the rural outskirts of buffalo, but i still kind of associate them with the desert and southwest)

Never thought of that before. That is interesting. Wonder if anyone's actually done any surveys on that sort of thing.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

e.g. if some furry think he is, or has a spirit of , or thier animal spirit is, a lion...it might not be some inferiority complex or megalomania ....maybe the dude just likes lions ...just got caught up in the whole religious thing and forget why he originally liked them in the first place, maybe it was the lion king or whatever.

I agree entirely, I mean... dude, I just like rabbits

that doesn't mean I like seeing bunny femmes with gigantic mammory glands letting trains run into their vaginas while the hump the life out of buildings with gigantic phallus'

it means, I like bunnies.

so I rp bunnies

whoopdeedoo

I don't lose touch with reality, I am a human irl, and online I pretend I'm a bunny rabbit as a novelty

why? Not because I like sex, not because I'm dissatisfied with my life, not because I'm angsty... it's because I like frickin bunny rabbits!

If anyone's curious as to why I like bunnies, it was back when I read Watership down a couple years ago that started it :P

ahh well, since I like bunnies I must want to see HOT FURRY LOLITA BUNNY MUTILATION PORN and I must be a dumb, fat, social reject at 30 years old living with his mother :P

boy that sums up my life really well :roll:

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

e.g. if some furry think he is, or has a spirit of , or thier animal spirit is, a lion...it might not be some inferiority complex or megalomania ....maybe the dude just likes lions ...just got caught up in the whole religious thing and forget why he originally liked them in the first place, maybe it was the lion king or whatever.

I agree entirely, I mean... dude, I just like rabbits

that doesn't mean I like seeing bunny femmes with gigantic mammory glands letting trains run into their vaginas while the hump the life out of buildings with gigantic phallus'

it means, I like bunnies.

so I rp bunnies

whoopdeedoo

I don't lose touch with reality, I am a human irl, and online I pretend I'm a bunny rabbit as a novelty

why? Not because I like sex, not because I'm dissatisfied with my life, not because I'm angsty... it's because I like frickin bunny rabbits!

If anyone's curious as to why I like bunnies, it was back when I read Watership down a couple years ago that started it :P

ahh well, since I like bunnies I must want to see HOT FURRY LOLITA BUNNY MUTILATION PORN and I must be a dumb, fat, social reject at 30 years old living with his mother :P

boy that sums up my life really well :roll:

I have to agree completely with you there. For me..I like wolves. I have statues, figurines, and some posters and such as decor..but that doesn't mean I want to look a anthro wolf porn all day and beat off to pics of furries. I don't obsess about it. I started liking furries when I was like 8 years old and it has stuck with me. I think furries are awesome, and I've always thought the idea of intelligent anthropormphic beasts has always appealed to me. Not so much as a sexual thing, but the lack of diversity of intelligent life on earth is somewhat boring. *shrug* I'm not one of those crazy people who think they are some sort of fox reincarnated in a human body or something. :P If furries exist.. awesome, otherwise its just like D&D for me...something fun in my spare time. A way to have fun in a fantasy world and get away from the harsh reality of "real life" that I go through every day. Just a way to relax..some people watch TV, I roleplay.

I just have to say that I think some people take the furry thing too far. I think fursuits make a great comedy option *triggerhappy*. I couldn't see myself walking around in a fursuit barking and trying to consider myself a real anthro wolf unless I was at a con or some similar get-away. In normal every day likfe that's well..not acceptable on the streets, and people who truly believe are a little too far into it...maybe they'll wait for a comet and drink some special cool-aid. As fur as I'm concerned furry can be a lifestyle, but like any lifestyle it can be taken too far and people need to put a hold on it. Altho I do think a lot of the furry fandom is all about the sexual aspect. Yiff and all that is great...but the obsession over it for some people is just..wow. heh. Some people will go totally insane if they think that you're giving them a strange look when they're wearing a fursuit. So many people just need to chill and get a better grasp on reality. You need to keep yourself tethered to reality and float off into your fantasy world on occasion, not the other way around.

that doesn't mean I like seeing bunny femmes with gigantic mammory glands letting trains run into their vaginas while the hump the life out of buildings with gigantic phallus'

So totally true. I had to lol twice at that. Gotta love the pics of dragons with 40 foot members making love to subways...

Unfortunately I am a fat social reject. :P Would you like fries with that?.......

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

It's about more than that, it's about escape from reality, or rather, many furs' twisted idea of reality. You could write a psych book on them. They think they suck, they think everyone else thinks they suck, they hate everyone for thinking they suck. They tailor their behaviour to get even with everyone for thinking they suck. Thus the miserable little introvert is born, offending society and worsening his or her condition, and retreating into their own little fantasy world.

Low self-esteem is a pain those afflicted with the disease visit on anyone they can. They are bullies, twits, know-it-alls, etc. They come in lots of variations. And with furries, they don't tend to grow up unlike the potato heads hanging at Hot Topic. They stay that way, listening only to things that reaffirm their prceonceived notions which over time become holy knowledge. "Don't you know what my life has been like? You can't tell me to grow up."

You can't talk sense to people like that. As my mom once said, "don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Similarly, trying to save furs from themselves is a losing proposition.

So we watch as they descend into their fantasy world of furry debauchery and imaginary heroism when they neither get laid nor are very brave.

Why am I a wolf online? Because I am frequently more comfortable walking digitigrade than plantigrade thanks to being too large for my small mother's womb and a slight muscular deformity which required my wearing a leg brace for quite a while when I was a toddler. Because I frequently howl during orgasms and roar when angry. Because I eat meat over almost any other food. Because I often sleep on the living room floor curled up like the dogs. This is not an affectation. I'm not proud of being separated from the rest of humanity by these weird atributes.

But people don't tend to keep pissing me off after I've bared by teeth and given them a growl. :)

Oh yeah, I had to choose an e-mail address which I didn't have at the time, just to make Netscape work to post on a.f.f from my univeristy library and being a fancier of wolves, entered wolf@your.door. w@y.d. Wayd. Wayd Wolf. See how easy that was?

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

You can't talk sense to people like that. As my mom once said, "don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Similarly, trying to save furs from themselves is a losing proposition.

Or gun-nuts like yourself.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Why am I a wolf online? Because I am frequently more comfortable walking digitigrade than plantigrade thanks to being too large for my small mother's womb and a slight muscular deformity which required my wearing a leg brace for quite a while when I was a toddler. Because I frequently howl during orgasms and roar when angry. Because I eat meat over almost any other food. Because I often sleep on the living room floor curled up like the dogs. This is not an affectation. I'm not proud of being separated from the rest of humanity by these weird atributes.

But people don't tend to keep pissing me off after I've bared by teeth and given them a growl. :)

SHUT UP ABOUT THE WOLVES PLEASE

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Why am I a wolf online? Because I am frequently more comfortable walking digitigrade than plantigrade thanks to being too large for my small mother's womb and a slight muscular deformity which required my wearing a leg brace for quite a while when I was a toddler. Because I frequently howl during orgasms and roar when angry. Because I eat meat over almost any other food. Because I often sleep on the living room floor curled up like the dogs. This is not an affectation. I'm not proud of being separated from the rest of humanity by these weird atributes.

But people don't tend to keep pissing me off after I've bared by teeth and given them a growl. :)

You are truly a unique and beautiful snowflake.

Why am I a chinchilla online? Because I only eat alfalfa and corn pellets. Because I use piss as a defensive mechanism. Because I have over a billion hairs growing out of each follicle. Because I live in the Andies. Because I was skinned to make a fine, high-quality coat that retails for $545. And because my anus is located between my penis and testicles.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Because I use piss as a defensive mechanism.

i dunno about the corn pellets thing but i think ill try that - pissing on people as defense (or offense) mechanism

i think im gonna try it at that biker bar...yeeeahh

Because I have over a billion hairs growing out of each follicle. Because I live in the Andies. Because I was skinned to make a fine, high-quality coat that retails for $545. And because my anus is located between my penis and testicles.

hmm i used to just think of chinchillas as super fatass squirrels
now ill of them as ..that ..thanks.. i think

-mouse

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

You can't talk sense to people like that. As my mom once said, "don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Similarly, trying to save furs from themselves is a losing proposition.

Or gun-nuts like yourself.

Very funny.

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

Why am I a wolf online? Because I am frequently more comfortable walking digitigrade than plantigrade thanks to being too large for my small mother's womb and a slight muscular deformity which required my wearing a leg brace for quite a while when I was a toddler. Because I frequently howl during orgasms and roar when angry. Because I eat meat over almost any other food. Because I often sleep on the living room floor curled up like the dogs. This is not an affectation. I'm not proud of being separated from the rest of humanity by these weird atributes.

But people don't tend to keep pissing me off after I've bared by teeth and given them a growl. :)

You are truly a unique and beautiful snowflake.

Why am I a chinchilla online? Because I only eat alfalfa and corn pellets. Because I use piss as a defensive mechanism. Because I have over a billion hairs growing out of each follicle. Because I live in the Andies. Because I was skinned to make a fine, high-quality coat that retails for $545. And because my anus is located between my penis and testicles.

Laugh if you will, but you can simply ask my wife, mother, father... I DID NOT say I WAS a wolf, I was saying I have some animalistic attributes and where did I say I was happy with that? I didn't.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I have some animalistic attributes and where did I say I was happy with that? I didn't.

That’s because you’re a *human animal* There is such a thing as evolutionary convergence (for example both foxes and cats use a pounce to catch small animals) because there are certain way's of doing things which are better than others. Also You, like wolves are a mammal, and thus share (At some point) a common ancestor and characteristics, like being er... warm blooded and suchlike.

Also, Wolves testicles only work for about one month every year IIRC when the females go into heat, also, one a year. (ahh, The things one learns from having a friend who worked at a zoo), so as far as sex goes, wolves are as about as about as rampantly sexual beings as a block of wood and they do not howl during orgasm apparantly, Indeed, I don't err... even think they have orgasms. Since Wolves don't have sex for pleasure, Only primates do I think.

Also, You've stated in the past that you are proud of your wolf like qualities. See:

<akurdo$7cr$1@raccoon.fur.com>:

"I happen to have nice long canines and a tendency to growl and roar by
nature's grace, not because I chose to. You should have seen my sister's
face when I let her have a good roar during a childhood fight over
twenty-five years ago.

Hey, some of us are blessed, what can I say?"

From: <35084998.5D75B401@your.door>#1/1 posted in 1998/03/12
to alt.horror.werewolves you (Wayd Wolf) wrote:

"I don't know that I am a were,or Wendy, but I do know the calling. The feel of running through the woods. The instinct to stay low to the ground. Listen to the mice scurrying through the grass. See the local housecats where others miss them. Try and fight it, and headaches happen. At least
for me."

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

u guys are totsally fucked ... you need help

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

How about you get some help with your spelling? Mr Anonymous Coward :roll:

angel-paws · Recusant Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 19

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Why am I a wolf online? Because I am frequently more comfortable walking digitigrade than plantigrade thanks to being too large for my small mother's womb and a slight muscular deformity which required my wearing a leg brace for quite a while when I was a toddler. Because I frequently howl during orgasms and roar when angry. Because I eat meat over almost any other food. Because I often sleep on the living room floor curled up like the dogs. This is not an affectation. I'm not proud of being separated from the rest of humanity by these weird atributes.

But people don't tend to keep pissing me off after I've bared by teeth and given them a growl. :)

You are truly a unique and beautiful snowflake.

Why am I a chinchilla online? Because I only eat alfalfa and corn pellets. Because I use piss as a defensive mechanism. Because I have over a billion hairs growing out of each follicle. Because I live in the Andies. Because I was skinned to make a fine, high-quality coat that retails for $545. And because my anus is located between my penis and testicles.

Laugh if you will, but you can simply ask my wife, mother, father... I DID NOT say I WAS a wolf, I was saying I have some animalistic attributes and where did I say I was happy with that? I didn't.

If you're not happy with them, then don't do them. Seems simple enough to me. Nobody's making you howl or roar (though, uh, I'm pretty sure wolves don't ever roar) or bare your teeth or sleep on the floor or eat meat. As for the digitigrade, I spose you can't help them, although, really, you actually walk around on your toes all day? I'm skeptical that that could ever be more comfortable than walking on your full foot no matter what you did in your mom's womb. But stranger things have happened. Anyway, if you want to roleplay a wolf because you think wolves are nifty, more power to you. But if you're going to try and convince people that you've got all these deeper wolf-like characteristics, then pick some characteristics that actually are unique to wolves. Most of the things you mentioned are, first off, pretty ubiquitous to all canids and lotsa carnivores, and, secondly, conscious choices that you make rather than manifestations of a deeper wolfishness. Seriously, I refuse to believe that you have no control over the noises you make. Personally, I'm skeptical of anyone who seriously claims any sort of physical similarity to an animal beyond a monkey, because that's just a only a hop, skip and a jump away from joining the astral wars.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Hm.

I'm protective and loving of my family and friends..

and wolves live in close-knit packs!

Wolves like eating meat..

And so do I!

So this must surely mean that I'm actually a wolf!

And if I'm a weepy social outcast, that must mean that I'm a LONE wolf! :wink:

Genghis · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 186

On a similar tone - If answering the phone with a "meow" makes you a cat deep down inside, does that mean I'm really an italian pizza shop owner or a fish merchant called Bob?

My old answerphone message must mean I'm a mysteron. ph33r.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

On a similar tone - If answering the phone with a "meow" makes you a cat deep down inside, does that mean I'm really an italian pizza shop owner or a fish merchant called Bob?

It means you're Dr. Cat.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

On a similar tone - If answering the phone with a "meow" makes you a cat deep down inside, does that mean I'm really an italian pizza shop owner or a fish merchant called Bob?

It means you're Dr. Cat.

Wha?

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

dr. cat the furcadia guy ? (he IS the furcadia guy right?)
he answers the phone with a meow ???

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

dr. cat the furcadia guy ? (he IS the furcadia guy right?)
he answers the phone with a meow ???

Yes, Dr. Cat is the Furcadia guy. The reports of him answering the phone with "meow" come from a very old Portal Of Evil post.

In addition to running Furcadia, Dr. Cat is said to have worked on most of the Ultima series of games. Not suprising really, since Furcadia looks so much like Ultima Online that the two games probably share some source code.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

dr. cat the furcadia guy ? (he IS the furcadia guy right?)
he answers the phone with a meow ???

Yes, Dr. Cat is the Furcadia guy. The reports of him answering the phone with "meow" come from a very old Portal Of Evil post.

In addition to running Furcadia, Dr. Cat is said to have worked on most of the Ultima series of games. Not suprising really, since Furcadia looks so much like Ultima Online that the two games probably share some source code.

hmm, i might check that out
i been playing uo for over five years...i still have my account but havent played the last 2 years
i was actually thinking about trying furcadia , because the thing about building your own places seemed really cool, where you can even draw the tiles i guess
i just thought that the game might be boring , since i really dont like roleplaying
furcadia doesnt seem to have any type of combat engine either i think "fights" are just roleplayed

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Yes, Dr. Cat is the Furcadia guy. The reports of him answering the phone with "meow" come from a very old Portal Of Evil post.

Portal of Evil's funny. If anyone can make fun of furry its those guys.

Wakestar · Recusant Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 20

Sorry, that was me

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

PoE, Funny? most of those guy's are just sarcastic at best, i've heard better jabs out of two years olds for some of them.

News Flash, the same old stereotypes get boring after the 600th time...most of them can't even be bothered to read the page properly and just lay into the people without checking what their crimes against the net are.

Recently I read one guy lampooning a Website ower as a 'fat Wiccan' upon checking the site discovered the owner isn't a wiccan....if you're gonna make fun of something at least make sure you know what you're making fun of. :lol:

Wakestar · Recusant Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 20

PoE, Funny? most of those guy's are just sarcastic at best,

Thats what I mean. Sarcasm can be damn funny XD

News Flash, the same old stereotypes get boring after the 600th time...

I suppose.... Unless applied to ethnic minortities XD