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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:19:57 PM
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I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable than I could give me some info on the Extinctioners, and the creator Shawntae Howard? Is her (his?) comic book any good? Is she a nice, reasonable person? I really don't know much since I've only heard the name mentioned a few times (and I'm just too lazy to Google it).
Judging from the character profiles on the Extinctioners site, it seems a bit derivative of X-Men. Of course, this is true of a LOT of comics, but some of these characters look like dead-on anthropomorphized clones of well know favorites (Allycat being a rip of Shadowcat, Shadowstalker being a rather silly looking rip of Nightcrawler, etc).
Now, I don't really consider furry comics to be 'real' comics (even trying to pass them off as 'indy' doesn't seem to save them). My question is, is it worth downloading the scans if I can find them? Are the books worth buying if I can't find them for free? If I can get ahold of the books, I will of course scan them myself and serve them up for everyone else, because I'm a really nice guy that way.
Any help or reviews you guys could share would be great. And don't forget, if I can find them I'll definitely redistribute them for everyone else. Cause, you know... nice guy and all (gotta be careful of what I say though, don't want those nasty Kaidatcha Dancers on my ass). |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:53:55 PM
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Any review, nay, every review I've read states that the Extinctioners is essentiually a complete X-Men ripoff. I wouldn't know - I can't stand the later, so I doubt I'd enjoy the former.
Just how many ways are you offering to 'share and enjoy' in the post above? You're starting to sound like you want to join the ranks of Sibe and get the phurrrrie dicknipple militia after you.
Stop drinking bleach.
Concerned in Intarnetville,
Rankin
Oh, here's a picture of Shawntae for you.
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 4:04:18 PM
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Any review, nay, every review I've read states that the Extinctioners is essentiually a complete X-Men ripoff. I wouldn't know - I can't stand the later, so I doubt I'd enjoy the former.
I've read all of Excalibur, plus up to around issue #100 of both X-Factor and Wolverine, but haven't actually read the main X-Men books aside from the few issues called for during those mega 'crossover events' they used to have. I couldn't really stand them post-Age of Apocalypse, especially with the way they fucked up the team dynamics and jacked up the angst on X-Factor.
As for the newer books, I've only read X-Statix (which is good) and just started on the new Excalibur (which thankfully keeps with the lighter tone of the first book). And I'm still not that interested in X-Men, except for Juggernaut becoming a member of the team.
You're starting to sound like you want to join the ranks of Sibe and get the phurrrrie dicknipple militia after you.
Do I really have anything to be afraid of from "Kotexbloody Fagdancers" and his ilk? I openly defy them.
Oh, here's a picture of Shawntae for you.
Careful, he might get upset and email you asking just what do you mean showing his picture. |
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Mitch
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Posted: 9/14/2004 4:59:15 PM
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Oh, here's a picture of Shawntae for you.
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8649/master_s.jpg
Careful, he might get upset and email you asking just what do you mean showing his picture.
No, he'll land up on this thread instead, asking why we're assisting in the destruction of his comic. I can see it all now.
Also: please please please don't post any links to downloads or torrents in this forum. I don't want any more trouble with my host. |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/14/2004 5:31:24 PM
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Oh, here's a picture of Shawntae for you.
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8649/master_s.jpg
Careful, he might get upset and email you asking just what do you mean showing his picture.
No, he'll land up on this thread instead, asking why we're assisting in the destruction of his comic. I can see it all now.
Also: please please please don't post any links to downloads or torrents in this forum. I don't want any more trouble with my host.
I doubt anyone is that paranoid. Well, then again, we are dealing with furries.
I wasn't exactly sure if Shawntae was a femme or not, and decided to do a google search. That was the third picture on Yerf.
As far as the "I WILL STEAL FROM U", I think S. I. was just being an ass. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/14/2004 5:57:42 PM
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It's very much a furry X-Men ripoff (and a pretty shitty one at that too). Thumbed through a copy once at the local comic shop (it was in the quarterbox, obviously), and wasn't impressed.
I wouldn't even bother downloading it for free from FXC if was ever featured there. That should tell you something.
Oh, and the fact that Shawntae Howard is a total dick IRL too doesn't motivate me into buying any copies either. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/14/2004 6:01:59 PM
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I doubt anyone is that paranoid. Well, then again, we are dealing with furries.
Well, we all remember how quickly Jeremy "Cullen" Bernal appeared in a puff of brimstone so shortly after that thread was started about him. |
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ZenZhu
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Posted: 9/14/2004 6:06:23 PM
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Yes, he does seem to enjoy tracking your email down and emailing you his thoughts when his name crops up around here. I received one once, but I couldn't tell you what was in it. I find it better to let the spam filter move those to the recycle bin without touching them.
Given the scans of Extinctioners and the character designs I've seen, the comic is... oh... how could we put it diplomatically..... heavily inspired by X-Men. Even those characters that aren't blatant furrified versions of X-Men characters draw on the design schemes of their Marvel counterparts.
If you go to the Extinctioners website and click on the Profiles section, you can see the various characters.
First there's Alleycat, which is obviously drawn from Shadowcat. Howard, at least, freely... well.. not admits... but implies an admission of her source:
Alleycat is perhaps the oldest member of the Extinctioners that I've created. Her influences are obvious, but she's her own individual. Her personality has developed over time to be a strong female,
Bonus points on the page for the term "pre-mate" to imply a boyfriend.
Copycat is basically a fuzzy Multiple Man. But, he is the furry fiction poster boy:
Little Know Fact: Max grew up as an orphan and ended up hanging out with a bad street gang as an early teen. He was raised by a feline nun. Max is also a very skilled netball player and had dreams of going pro.
A spunky kid from the mean streets with a healthy dose of attitude but a heart of gold.
Forcewave could be considered a cross between Cyclops and Gambit. But, his power is so blandly unoriginal that it doesn't really stand out as copy amidst tons of super heroes with similar generic abilities. Where do you suppose his birthplace of Otuhwa, Canidia was based on?????
Micro looks like a cross between Ant Man (what was his name... Professor Pym? He went through several incarnations back in the days I read comics) and Cypher/Warlock of the New Mutants. Again, though, his powers don't really stand out amongst lots of other comic characters.
Mindswipe is bacially a repackaged Psylocke. Pandamonium is your standard-issue comic kunoichi that seems to find its way into most multi-character comics. She gets bonus points for her name being a pun. See... Pandamonium. Get it!? Ha ha! Phenix is basically Phoenix/Dark Phoenix.
Shadowstalker is pretty evident, though Howard has this to say about him:
Umnus's inspiration was partially made by Nightcrawler, but he was more influenced, believe it or not by Spider-Man and Lockeheed the Dragon. He was originally going to be a dolphin, but mutated into, well, whatever he is now. Umnus can only telewarp one individual other than himself and can produce subsonic sounds, normally used as a mating call, but it also acts like echo location allowing him to "jump" anywhere without reappearing inside of something solid. He's also an excellent swimmer like all Remalons and is nocturnal by nature.
I like the "partially" part.
Starfox is not only a bland choice of a name in light of the Nintendo game, but he's pretty much a carbon copy of Rogue. You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
Warfare is basically Cable (insert lame pun about how it's wrong to steal cable here). As for Vague, Howard can't be held responsible for ripping off Invisible Girl of the Fantastic Four, but his friend can:
I can't take full credit for the creation of Vague alone. Vague's original concept was designed by a high school friend of mine, L. Evans, who along with myself would create animal super heroes and we'd pit them against each other with the winner taking the character. The concept of changing her look and giving her a name and history was more of my doing. I liked Vague and wanted her to be the sister of Katherine. Evans agreed and let me take the character, which I've since evolved and developed far beyond her origins. Her current look and character are all my doing (or should I say her's since, like many characters, she seems to write herself.)
Like with some of the others, though, her powers are so generic that it's hard to really accuse the character of being solely a ripoff of any one character.
Arctica... standard Ice Man issue. Firefox is basically Pyro/Firestar. Both standard-issue powers.
I've also seen a character here and there in his drawings that is pretty much a long-eared Deadpool.
Like with some of the characters' powers, it is, admittedly, hard to come up with something truly new and innovative in comics in general, let alone in furry comics. The main cast, supporting cast, general themes, and some of the events I've seen in comic scans from VCL or whatnot follow X-Men pretty closely. But, there are so many X-Men clones out there these days, you really can't suggest Howard alone should be lynched. And, at least he admits it's inspired by X-Men, though perhaps not to the full extent that it obviously is. Overall, it just kind of trips the "meh" meter.
At least it has two things going for it:
1) Howard is a capable artist. His layouts are good. He uses backgrounds. Sometimes the pictures get a little overly detailed and flat. But, overall, he's much better than your standard-issue furry artists. Most of the characters at least look somewhat different from each other, as he tries to use species characteristics, rather than making his weasel character look like little more than an elongated wolf.
2) It's not a Spawn ripoff. |
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The Outsider
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:32:11 PM
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Being the former inker of the series (issues #8-#11). I think I qualify to add my opinion.
All I can say about EXTINCTIONERS is that it has its audience. I inked the series because I like superheroes (as opposed to the soap opera series I was inking). There are definite parallels between the abilities of characters in EXTINCTIONERS and characters in X-MEN, but Marvel Comics Group hasn't sicced their attorneys on Shawntae.
As for the storyline, I can't speak for that as I haven't read an issue since issue #11. Besides, Ogre and I are having a good time producing CARC & 'SLIDE. That may not have happened if I was still inking EXTINCTIONERS.
Is EXTINCTIONERS "any good?" It depends what you're looking for.
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Dark_Fall
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Posted: 9/14/2004 9:26:36 PM
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You'd be hard-pressed to find ANY superhero comic that isn't an X-Men rippoff nowadays, and all the good powers were taken decades ago anyway. Even so, it may get a bit unsettling to find similar characters here, but once you start reading then it starts seperating from an X-Men stereotype. In my opinion, the artwork is excellent. The characters are very well-rounded. The story is surprisingly addictive to some, and I found it pretty satisfying to read through (in fact, there's one backstory-thing going on between the weasel characters that's really getting my attention). Believe it or not, it's pretty down-to-Earth compared to the over-exaggerated sci-fi attempts that some superhero comics try to go for, which is good. Not only that, but there isn't a bunch of sickening, gratuitous sex like some of the other 'furry/furvert' comics are chock full of (actually, there isn't really any sex at all, save for an innuendo in a panel or two and whatnot; not that noticeable unless you're looking for it). If you're a fan of superheros and action comics that actually got some substance, definitely give it a try. |
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ZenZhu
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Posted: 9/14/2004 10:40:43 PM
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As Dark mentions (man... it's been like Ellis Island here lately), it's pretty hard to find truly original stuff in comics now. At least Extinctioners, from what I've seen, sets out in a direction you don't normally see in furry comics. Rather than the insipid attempts at life dramas and slice-of-life comedies with a healthy dose of nudie bits and sex to keep the fanboys wanking so that they don't really notice the crappy storylines and high-school attempts at drama, like Shanda the Panda or ASB, or your generic "military adventure" comics the furries seem to love, doing a superhero comic is probably a bit "mundane" for many furries.
The only thing that really merits the whole "X-Men ripoff" label is how closely the characters resemble furry versions of their Marvel inspirations- so much so that you can't simply say the characters are similar. Superman and Captain Marvel are similar. Batman and Daredevil are similar. Hawkeye and Green Arrow are similar. But, while those repsective characters bear some similarities, the designs are at least different enough. But, when a character's color scheme and even hair color (e.g., Rogue's trademark white streak) are so startlingly similar, you start to crossover into "ripoff" territory. While the art I've seen is pretty tight, the comic in general appears to draw so heavily from X-Men that it becomes really hard-pressed to stand on it's own as anything other than a well-done fuzzy X-Men fanfic at the first few glances. Whether the parallels are intentional or not, they are so strongly present to, I imagine, many viewers, that ultimately it is probably something of a handicap for the comic.
Antz was similar to A Bug's Life. Shark Tale is similar in Finding Nemo. Comparing Extinctioners to X-Men, though, seems to be more like comparing Disney's Robin Hood to Robin Hood starring Errol Flynn.... not that that implies we should all take up our torches and pitchforks and go storming up to the castle to destroy the monster.
I don't fancy Marvel would get pissy about it for a couple of reasons, though. First, ol' Stan would probably view it as more of a homage than fuzzy plagarism. Second, Stan Lee probably knows enough about furrydom to know that trying to squeeze a furry for money in court would be like trying to wring a quarter to get snot out of Washington's nose. :) |
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Computolio
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Posted: 9/14/2004 10:58:20 PM
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It's laughable. Why are you asking? This is the kind of question everyone should know the answer to by now.
Also: COPY THAT FLOPPY if you must, but you're gonna have to leave this site out of it for now. Sucks, I know.
Starfox is not only a bland choice of a name in light of the Nintendo game, but he's pretty much a carbon copy of Rogue. You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
Holy shit that's almost as awesome as "happywriggles". |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/15/2004 12:12:56 AM
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Holy shit that's almost as awesome as "happywriggles".
FUCK YOU.
I had forgotten about that. :( |
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Kadius
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Posted: 9/15/2004 12:58:48 AM
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Don't yiff with me No. Stop. Don't. Holy shit that's almost as awesome as "happywriggles".
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Paul
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Posted: 9/15/2004 1:10:59 AM
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You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD. |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/15/2004 5:22:45 AM
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You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD.
Er... yeah. That's how I'd take it.
Somehow, this post, and the concept of Shawntae losing all talent and turning into one of the 'standard' furry artists ended up with this result:
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Posted: 9/15/2004 5:52:48 AM
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I must admit, coming back and seeing many replies to a thread I started just to be shitting around is a bit alarming.
As far as the "I WILL STEAL FROM U", I think S. I. was just being an ass.
Yes. Yes I was. I feel you are the only one who understands me. Yet still you do not email with spooge requests! I am sad.
I look in my email inbox and notice two more emails, one of them from Howard. I haven't read them yet. Is Shawntae Howard fucking Beetlejuice? Every time I mention him he sends another email. I'm afraid if I say his name one more time, he'll suddenly pop into my living room or something. Then it'd just get all ugly, what with that ancient wooden Norse mask I keep handy, and how it turns me into a whirling mad dervish of cartoon malice and destruction every time I put it on... well, I don't like to think of what would happen. Ugly, just ugly.
Really, I've seriously never been emailed by furries before and don't really know what to do... I'm like an innocent little babe lost in the woods, with hungry wolves stalking about.
You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD.
I'll take "Things you might hear at a furcon for $100", Paul. |
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The New Meat
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Posted: 9/15/2004 7:03:02 AM
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It sounds like something you'd hear on Jerry Springer to me.
"Uh UH! I know you didna!!...
I look in my email inbox and notice two more emails, one of them from Howard.
Well, what did he say? Does this mean he's...watching us...right now... |
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The Outsider
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Posted: 9/15/2004 7:47:23 AM
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Well, what did he say? Does this mean he's...watching us...right now...
Oh, I HAVE to say it.
Who watches the Watchmen?
The Comedian...I mean, The Outsider |
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ZenZhu
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Posted: 9/15/2004 1:54:21 PM
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That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD.
I've also seen it used in place of other swears, and an explicative in it's own right in some comics. I recall some comic where a character is mowing down waves of zombies with a rifle and shouting "YIFF THIS!"
As an expression of strong emotion, even for a furry character, "yiff" just falls horribly flat. It's kind of like trying to use "I'm gonna show you the rainbow." as a euphamism for kicking ass. Some character uttering a blood curdling scream of "YIFF THIS!" is about as manly as... well.... this....
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Wayd Wolf
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Some character uttering a blood curdling scream of "YIFF THIS!" is about as manly as... well.... this....
Yiff being an inside word from furry is not likely to be used by actual anthropomorphic characters and since they mostly speak English and use Western slang(outside of places like Germany and Finland and so forth), they should be using something that is as manly as... well... this...
(Yes, that's Jaleel White more recently.)
(IMDB may TRY to stop using their images, but with Adobe Acrobat web capture, soooo much is possible...) |
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Ebonyleopard
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That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD.
I've also seen it used in place of other swears, and an explicative in it's own right in some comics. I recall some comic where a character is mowing down waves of zombies with a rifle and shouting "YIFF THIS!"
As an expression of strong emotion, even for a furry character, "yiff" just falls horribly flat. It's kind of like trying to use "I'm gonna show you the rainbow." as a euphamism for kicking ass. Some character uttering a blood curdling scream of "YIFF THIS!" is about as manly as... well.... this....
Yes. I agree it was a very stupid quote. I wrote it 4 years ago when doing the website and at the time couldn't think of anything better to put up for her and wasn't quite as aware of all the meanings for the turn other than it was, I thought, an anthro replacement word for Fuck (since I do not have actual swearing in my comic).
Yes. I have e-mailed people privately only when something that pretains to me comes up because I figured it'd be A) A better and more polite way to deal with questions someone may have about me or something I do, B) Not to was't this groups bandwith with something that can simply be handled in e-mail, and C) You gotta admit, by doing so my e-mails have at least been polite and when removed from the often emotionally laced reaction replies you can get from forum type groups, things come out better that way.
No. I do not follow CYD. In fact, I only knew about this tread because someone send me a copy of the tread. Frankly, I don't even think I would be able to view the forum here let alone reply to it.
No. I do not mind if people have a negative response to the book, because negative critism is as good and useful as positive when it stays on topic and is constructive. The fact people make comments about the lack of backgrounds in furry comics is the main reason why I spend more time on doing better backgrounds.
No. You don't have to worry about me keeping tabs on the group. the only reason I've choosen to reply to this is because a member e-mailed me and offered me the chance to register and come to the board to give my view point. I'm not going to go all off and what not, because, each person is entitled to their own opinion about what they like and don't. I just ask you give it a chance and that I try not to follow the route of typical superhero stuff and no, I'm not big on adult stuff either, so don't expect to see that in any of the work I do in it.
Thank you. For at least being fair. Save for the cracks about the "Don't Yiff with this Vixen" which I agree does sound pretty stupid now, the comments have been balanced. Frankly, that's something I would have changed some time now, since I wasn't really crazy about it then, but as you can tell with the last update to the site, my webpage knowledge isn't the best and my work makes the page the last thing I bother to do.
Apologies. Looking back at my first interaction with CYD, I will say sorry, I did come across as an ass and let my emotions get the better of me. Of course I'm sure many of you would also want to defend someone you felt was a friend and was having something you perceived as a wrong against them, but I know I need to deal with such matters in a better way.
Yes. I do agree with many of the things you all have to say about the 'furry fandom', I just feel often there are better ways of going about doing so that would make an improvement on something you all obviously care something in one way or another about and wish it were...cleaner.
And Finally, For the record I have not once nor have ever met Hirtes in person, so he can not say how I am in Real Life. Yes I have had my battles with him online, but it's, from my point of view, started with some comments he made that were on the realm of being (let's just say not very culturally aware) and the fact he made very naste remarks about one of his enemies 2 day old baby girl. To me, making cracks about a baby that's only been in the world for 2 days is crossing the line, regardless of how much you don't like the parents that brought them in the world, but that's just me.
Thank you M for the invite. |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:27:05 AM
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SHawntae.. proving your humanity will not get you far with the fandom. However, I must state that I was not expecting the form of reply you've offered, especalyl when we were mercilessly picking fun at just something 'dumb' that was said.
Hell, if people did that to me, I'd never hear the end of it. ;)
Thanks for the history, and the rather compassionate introduction. We're not used to that! |
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Ebonyleopard
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:40:22 AM
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SHawntae.. proving your humanity will not get you far with the fandom. However, I must state that I was not expecting the form of reply you've offered, especalyl when we were mercilessly picking fun at just something 'dumb' that was said.
Hell, if people did that to me, I'd never hear the end of it. ;)
Thanks for the history, and the rather compassionate introduction. We're not used to that!
What can I say, it was a corny quote. It never did set well with me, but when I started the first quote, trying to figure out just what all to put on the page, I sorta had to continue it with each character, which got harder to do.
Of course then, I didn't know the word 'yiff' had as much to negative response as it does now (The site was designed back in 2000, one year after launching the comic).
Frankly, the whole site needs updating and the data info needs some serious rewriting because I've noticed some either incorrect info as it currently stands in the comic, or some of the dates now that I look at them don't quite add up correctly.
That's what happens when you go on info you made when you were in highschool and never bothered to change. |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:52:40 AM
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That's what happens when you go on info you made when you were in highschool and never bothered to change.
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Michael Hirtes
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No. I do not follow CYD. In fact, I only knew about this tread because someone send me a copy of the tread.
HA! Told you guys that some goons would contact him with a "Hey! Did you see this?". They love to start trouble, don't they?
Thank you. For at least being fair. Save for the cracks about the "Don't Yiff with this Vixen" which I agree does sound pretty stupid now,
Granted, it's has less hazard of causing violent involuntary sphincter-clenching than "happywriggles" or "You make me into a wolf now ok".
Yes. I do agree with many of the things you all have to say about the 'furry fandom', I just feel often there are better ways of going about doing so that would make an improvement on something you all obviously care something in one way or another about and wish it were...cleaner.
Well, attempts had been made to try to convince furry of the error of it's ways. I need not describe in detail how well those attempts went over with the AFF crowd.
And now folks, the moment you've all been waiting for. Shawntae Howard gives us a sample of what he does on AFF when the name Hirtes pops up.:
And Finally, For the record I have not once nor have ever met Hirtes in person, so he can not say how I am in Real Life.
So, are you saying that the bastard who hassled me on AFF with no mercy was some other Shawntae Howard?
Yes I have had my battles with him online, but it's, from my point of view, started with some comments he made that were on the realm of being (let's just say not very culturally aware) and the fact he made very naste remarks about one of his enemies 2 day old baby girl.
Come on now (and yep, I guess I am dealing with the same Shawtae Howard now), try not to put such a one-sided spin on it. Why not just say that the guy in question is Jim Groat?
And, why not put things back into context and admit that I was talking about Jim and his inability to care for his own kids, yet continues to bang them out like a Catholic on Viagra.
And, let's not forget that article on the "Brats" web page, so I guess I'm not alone.
http://www.fred.net/turtle/kids/kidrants.shtml (look for #33713)
Still, I'll give Ol' Jimbo credit for having enough brain cells in that bowling ball he keeps on top of his neck by not taking photos of his kid in the bathtub to be developed.
To me, making cracks about a baby that's only been in the world for 2 days is crossing the line, regardless of how much you don't like the parents that brought them in the world, but that's just me.
Thank you M for the invite.
Keep on spinning, Shawntae. You're full of shit, you know. Nice try at trying to make trouble for me here though. Only a guy like you can try to take a thread about your quarterbox filler and twist it around into an attack on Hirtes. Was this some way for you to regain furryboi brownie points from the AFFholes after the heresy you just committed by earlier admitting that you agree with most of what CYD says? Can't blame you on that tactic I guess. Those psychos have been getting more than their usual insane lately (see anti-Alaska postings on there).
Now, hold GMVG's hand and the two of you frolic your way back to AFF, okeedokee? Thats'a good clown. |
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Ebonyleopard
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That's what happens when you go on info you made when you were in highschool and never bothered to change.
Oh come on. Def Leppard truly knows how to rock! :twisted:
Don't know about Def Leppard, but I do like Aerosmith believe it or not.
There's even a tolerance for Metallica thanks to growing up next door to some bikers that used to pump it up on the weekends at night. |
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Ebonyleopard
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No. I do not follow CYD. In fact, I only knew about this tread because someone send me a copy of the tread.
And Finally, For the record I have not once nor have ever met Hirtes in person, so he can not say how I am in Real Life.
So, are you saying that the bastard who hassled me on AFF with no mercy was some other Shawntae Howard?
Hey Mike. Now let's be fair. When I first found out about and got on AFF, back in 2000 I think, I used to post messages in your defense because I thought they were unfairly dog-piling on you. This you can't deny, that or you don't remember. It wasn't until after 9/11/04 when you made, to me, some of the most racist comments I could think of against Arabs and I questioned you on it, you totally turned on me and went nuts on me. That was the start and you only got worst because on that point I totally disagreed with you and you only served to confirm those feelings with further post at that time.
Yes I have had my battles with him online, but it's, from my point of view, started with some comments he made that were on the realm of being (let's just say not very culturally aware) and the fact he made very naste remarks about one of his enemies 2 day old baby girl.
Come on now (and yep, I guess I am dealing with the same Shawtae Howard now), try not to put such a one-sided spin on it. Why not just say that the guy in question is Jim Groat?
And, why not put things back into context and admit that I was talking about Jim and his inability to care for his own kids, yet continues to bang them out like a Catholic on Viagra.
And, let's not forget that article on the "Brats" web page, so I guess I'm not alone.
http://www.fred.net/turtle/kids/kidrants.shtml (look for #33713)
Still, I'll give Ol' Jimbo credit for having enough brain cells in that bowling ball he keeps on top of his neck by not taking photos of his kid in the bathtub to be developed.
Mke. You totally made a rude comment about a 2 day old baby girl and a what, 8 year old little boy in this quote "He already fulfillled his initial role as a "walking turkey baster"
several years ago with Sprog #1. Looks like it's gonna be extra long
shifts of overtime at NAPA for the Goat from now on. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
The little boy is "Sprog #1", which means the then new baby was Sprog #2, and then you said in a second reply "Well, at least I won't be spending HOW MUCH during the next couple of
decades for diapers, school supplies, prom dresses, bail money, etc.". Bail money about a 2 day old little girl. Come on Mike. No way you can say that was called for. No decent person would go after a kid to get at an adult.
To me, making cracks about a baby that's only been in the world for 2 days is crossing the line, regardless of how much you don't like the parents that brought them in the world, but that's just me.
Thank you M for the invite.
Keep on spinning, Shawntae. You're full of shit, you know. Nice try at trying to make trouble for me here though. Only a guy like you can try to take a thread about your quarterbox filler and twist it around into an attack on Hirtes. Was this some way for you to regain furryboi brownie points from the AFFholes after the heresy you just committed by earlier admitting that you agree with most of what CYD says? Can't blame you on that tactic I guess. Those psychos have been getting more than their usual insane lately (see anti-Alaska postings on there).
Now, hold GMVG's hand and the two of you frolic your way back to AFF, okeedokee? Thats'a good clown.
Ok, but you didn't deny you did it. I'll ask you and I'll leave it up to those here to judge. Did you or did you not make Remarks about Jim Groats then 2 day old baby after he posted a message about her birth? Yes or No? Cause that's what started the bad blood between you and I. To me, children should always be left out of a fight between adults.
If you can't remember (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=l80rru0u6qsaiemmu25i80es32j3ji72ab%404ax.com&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DJim%2BGroat%2Bdaughter%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dl80rru0u6qsaiemmu25i80es32j3ji72ab%25404ax.com%26rnum%3D5 )
I apologize to the group, but his is a prime example of why I e-mai you directly rather than have tried to reply directly to the group. |
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Michael Hirtes
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BTW, thanks for stretching the width of the postings by infinity. Makes things so much more fun to read through. I hardly ever encounter the need to use my horizontal scroll bar these days. Not anymore, thanks to you.
Hey Mike. Now let's be fair. When I first found out about and got on AFF, back in 2000 I think, I used to post messages in your defense because I thought they were unfairly dog-piling on you.
Riiiiiiight.
This you can't deny, that or you don't remember.
Um, I just did, dick. And don't talk to me about memory. I remember furrydom as far back as the laye 1980's. You hadn't even made goofy graduation poses yet.
It wasn't until after 9/11/04 when you made, to me, some of the most racist comments I could think of against Arabs and I questioned you on it,
Oh, you mean my immediate gut reaction on 9/11? Of all the millions of postings that were seriously pissed off about what had happened (and by whom), you ignored them all and chose mine to take out of context? Pretty obsessed about me, ain'cha?
you totally turned on me and went nuts on me. That was the start and you only got worst because on that point I totally disagreed with you and you only served to confirm those feelings with further post at that time.
Because to not agree with you is a sign of being "nuts". Uh huh. Sure.
Mke. You totally made a rude comment about a 2 day old baby girl and a what, 8 year old little boy in this quote "He already fulfillled his initial role as a "walking turkey baster"
You mean the 8 year old boy whom Groat encourages to walk up to strangers and punch them in the groin?
And yes, Jim Groat is just a walking turkeybaster. God only knows that can be the only rational reason why any female would spread her legs for a guy like Jim Groat.
several years ago with Sprog #1. Looks like it's gonna be extra long shifts of overtime at NAPA for the Goat from now on. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
Yes, and if you bothered to read that article in the "Brats" page, you'll find out that Jim got fired from that NAPA job because he kept playing hookey to go to sell his ancient Red Sonja horse comic at furrycons.
So, you gonna deny that now?
The little boy is "Sprog #1", which means the then new baby was Sprog #2, and then you said in a second reply "Well, at least I won't be spending HOW MUCH during the next couple of
decades for diapers, school supplies, prom dresses, bail money, etc.".
Well, it's true and I stand behind that 100%. How do you forsee what will happen with a kid who's encouraged to assault people and "make Daddy proud"?
Bail money about a 2 day old little girl. Come on Mike. No way you can say that was called for. No decent person would go after a kid to get at an adult.
You know full well that comment was in regards to what's going to happen when they get older and not about them as sprogs now (yeah, I called 'em "sprogs" again. What are you gonna do about it?), so pound it back up your ass.
Ok, but you didn't deny you did it. I'll ask you and I'll leave it up to those here to judge.
Aha! And now we see the motive as to why you are still here. To try to make trouble for me in a way you did over at AFF. Drives you nuts to know CYD isn't a howling anti-Hirtes lynchmob like AFF is, huh? We just can't have that now. Can we, Shawntae?
Did you or did you not make Remarks about Jim Groats then 2 day old baby after he posted a message about her birth? Yes or No?
Sorry that I didn't hurl myself down to my knees and worship the fact that the Groats' genitals still work. Big whoop! People who brag about their ability to breed are self-centered assholes.
Cause that's what started the bad blood between you and I.
Well, I'm so very sorry that I forgot that I was put on this planet to appease you. What IS it with furries and their demands that everyone agree with them on all things (OR ELSE!!)?
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Ebonyleopard
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BTW, thanks for stretching the width of the postings by infinity. Makes things so much more fun to read through. I hardly ever encounter the need to use my horizontal scroll bar these days. Not anymore, thanks to you.
Hey Mike. Now let's be fair. When I first found out about and got on AFF, back in 2000 I think, I used to post messages in your defense because I thought they were unfairly dog-piling on you.
Riiiiiiight.
This you can't deny, that or you don't remember.
Um, I just did, dick. And don't talk to me about memory. I remember furrydom as far back as the laye 1980's. You hadn't even made goofy graduation poses yet.
Then you probably don't remember this, the first time I ever encountered you on the net. Message 48 in thread
From: Tamar (tamar@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: One Sided argument...
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Date: 2002-04-19 15:16:39 PST
Well, there was a valid claim. If a commission was taken with the
understanding that there would be a deadline for it, then the commission
should be done. And don't get me wrong, I like her work and respect her as
a person and artists, but I do think that she's much more versitle on her
own to have to copy from a magazine or book. But, she's good at what she
does and the general public doesn't seem to mind so I guess that's all that
matters.
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Tamar the Ebony Leopard
http://www.extinctioners.com
http://www.geocities.com/xenif/extinctioners.html
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"AJL" <graphics@ajlvideo.com> wrote in message
news:3CC04721.CB55AF3@ajlvideo.com...
> mhirtes wrote:
> > Charles Melville wrote:
> > > mhirtes wrote:
> > > > It's an opinion widely held, but I'm the one with the balls big enough
> > > > to dare SAY it.
> > > Actually, the widely-held opinion is that you're the only one loud and obnoxious
> > > enough to say it.
> > While you just meekly show how much of a chickenshit, sycophant, and
> > fanboy you are for commenting on how FABULOUS the Emperess' new clothes look.
>
> Anybody notice how there's NO ONE supporting Michael Hirtes' claims,
> other than the unconfirmed support from the names he pulls out of the
> air?
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> Makes you wonder...
You see, I agreed with you. I believe this is when you were talking about O'Connel owing you art and I agreed that you had a valid point while others were hammering you. A dejanews search will prove that.
Infact, I now know just why I started to go south with you. It was about somments you made about the high school shooting back in 2002 when you said, "I used to think that this was a horrifying tragedy, but now I'm starting
> to think that 15 dead jocks, preppies, and future corporate CEOs was an
> act of blessed Darwinism."
What was that to say about 15 murdered kids? The 9/11 thing was just the capper.
It wasn't until after 9/11/04 when you made, to me, some of the most racist comments I could think of against Arabs and I questioned you on it,
Oh, you mean my immediate gut reaction on 9/11? Of all the millions of postings that were seriously pissed off about what had happened (and by whom), you ignored them all and chose mine to take out of context? Pretty obsessed about me, ain'cha?
No, it was the continued comments well after it, even when I tried to calmly ask you to explain what you meant and that I "THOUGHT" at the time you couldn't have meant what you said that it was a gut reaction, but you reassured me that it wasn't. That thread went on for weeks.
you totally turned on me and went nuts on me. That was the start and you only got worst because on that point I totally disagreed with you and you only served to confirm those feelings with further post at that time.
Because to not agree with you is a sign of being "nuts". Uh huh. Sure.
I would ask you the same question then Mike. You almost did it to Outsider once when you 'thought' he was saying something bad about you, but later it just turned out you took his comment out of context.
Mke. You totally made a rude comment about a 2 day old baby girl and a what, 8 year old little boy in this quote "He already fulfillled his initial role as a "walking turkey baster"
You mean the 8 year old boy whom Groat encourages to walk up to strangers and punch them in the groin?
Then you say what you want about how the parents are raising him. He's still an 8 year old BOY, who, if that's the case, doesn't know any better.
And yes, Jim Groat is just a walking turkeybaster. God only knows that can be the only rational reason why any female would spread her legs for a guy like Jim Groat.
several years ago with Sprog #1. Looks like it's gonna be extra long shifts of overtime at NAPA for the Goat from now on. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
Yes, and if you bothered to read that article in the "Brats" page, you'll find out that Jim got fired from that NAPA job because he kept playing hookey to go to sell his ancient Red Sonja horse comic at furrycons.
So, you gonna deny that now?
I can't because I didn't read it, but again, the adult is fair game. I still say leave kids out of it since they can't come back at you and defend themselves, particularlly a new born.
The little boy is "Sprog #1", which means the then new baby was Sprog #2, and then you said in a second reply "Well, at least I won't be spending HOW MUCH during the next couple of
decades for diapers, school supplies, prom dresses, bail money, etc.".
Well, it's true and I stand behind that 100%. How do you forsee what will happen with a kid who's encouraged to assault people and "make Daddy proud"?
She was only 2 days old and you made that post out of the blue on a simplme posting announcing her birth. You don't find that a bit over the top to decided then and there to make a comment about that. Come on man, you can't be that cold. You gotta at least admit, looking back on that, that that was a bit over the top.
Bail money about a 2 day old little girl. Come on Mike. No way you can say that was called for. No decent person would go after a kid to get at an adult.
You know full well that comment was in regards to what's going to happen when they get older and not about them as sprogs now (yeah, I called 'em "sprogs" again. What are you gonna do about it?), so pound it back up your ass.
How do you know? And why would you wish that on anyone, especially a girl that, again, was only 2 days old at the time, Mike? Why would you place your anger towards Jim on wishing something like that on his daughter, who, who knows may come out totally different than her parents. Many of us can say we didn't turn out like our parents. I wouldn't wish that kind of fate onto any child.
Ok, but you didn't deny you did it. I'll ask you and I'll leave it up to those here to judge.
Aha! And now we see the motive as to why you are still here. To try to make trouble for me in a way you did over at AFF. Drives you nuts to know CYD isn't a howling anti-Hirtes lynchmob like AFF is, huh? We just can't have that now. Can we, Shawntae?
Mike, you can do that all on your own. And I'll point out that I was invited here to give my side on things that was said, your post included and might I point out it was you that made mention on the type of perosn I was in RL, which gave me a right to rebut that claim, since I never met you and to clarify just how we got to where we are between you and I on the net. I only reply, directly, to what you write, nothing more nothing less. If you're looking bad, it's due to your own behavior.
I'm simply stating the facts that are on the net and can be read from 3 years ago. These were the turning points between decent net interactions to where we are today. Period.
Did you or did you not make Remarks about Jim Groats then 2 day old baby after he posted a message about her birth? Yes or No?
Sorry that I didn't hurl myself down to my knees and worship the fact that the Groats' genitals still work. Big whoop! People who brag about their ability to breed are self-centered assholes.
Many are proud about saying they have a family and wife. Are they assholes as well that need to be ridiculed? I think in today's society it's pretty impressive when someone can say they're married and have been for a number of years and if they manage to produce a child, hey, be proud and talk about it. It's an impressive achievement if you can tough it out.
Cause that's what started the bad blood between you and I.
Well, I'm so very sorry that I forgot that I was put on this planet to appease you. What IS it with furries and their demands that everyone agree with them on all things (OR ELSE!!)?
I am not a furry, nor have I ever in my interactions with this fandom said I was. And noo, I never said you had to agree with me, in fact, it was my not agreeing with you that turned me into a 'backstabber' and thus the venom turned my way, just because I suggested that maybe you should find better ways of getting your point across about the bad things in furry so that people would actually listen to you for once instead of doing the total opposite. I've known about this fandom for 9 years now, and like many of the artists here, I simply consider myself to be a comic artist that happens to draw humaniod animals of all kinds, any of which do not have fur.
Now fuck off back to AFF like I asked you to before, ok?
I thought this was a forum for discussion. So long as I'm not violating any rules (Not even using bad language for that matter), why do you wish to suppress my opinion? You should be able to conduct miinimum debate when you start the subject matter of topic.
BTW, what's with the icon? That's really kind of a disturbing image to use as a visual representation. |
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The Outsider
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Why do I feel like Darth Vader in "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi" when he sees the Emperor blasting almighty hell outta Luke Skywalker, then has to choose between putting the smackdown on Luke or giving the emperor a skydiving lesson?
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Michael Hirtes
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Dear Shawntae,
Jesus Christ, bitch. Give it up and fuck off back to your asskissers at AFF, willya? |
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Well, that ruins my reading enjoyment. Shawntae, edit your post and enclose the url like this: place url here>put some text here. That'll turn it into a hyperlink. I'd do it myself, but for some reason they refuse to make me an admin.
The problem I had wasn't that you emailed me, it was that it seemed so out of place. They were terse and demanding, with you asking to know why your name was mentioned offhandedly in a post I'd made. That just seemed a bit... I don't know, oversensitive? If it'd been me I might have asked the same question out of curiosity, but that would have been somewhat understandable since I'm not a 'named' figure in the so-called fandom. I wouldn't have put any urgency to the matter, though.
To answer your first emails: I was talking about that pic I did of Rankin eating dead raccoon cheesecake, and how I didn't know what he looks like. So I just guessed and gave him pretty green eyes. Because he's sexy like that in my imaginings of him.
I AM NOT GAY. Just so you know. I'm just gay for Rankin. And Donotsue*. And Charisma, but that's not really gay because she's a girl. Oh, and I'm kind of gay for ZenZhu and maybe, just maybe, deep in the furthest recesses of my heart, I'm a little gay for... Wayd Wolf. BUT THAT IS IT.
No. I do not follow CYD. In fact, I only knew about this tread because someone send me a copy of the tread. Frankly, I don't even think I would be able to view the forum here let alone reply to it.
You might want to be careful who sends you those heads up. I'm not sure what kind of spin they put on it, but I hardly think the mere mention of your name warrents your attention. I wonder if the person who sent you here didn't just want to see some action. I don't trust 'friends' who expect to see you go off on someone, because that's just another form of manipulation. You'd also probably find that a lot of these people who report to you are just sycophantic hangers-on out for personal gain, and don't really care about you at all.
I do tend to expect the worst of people, don't I?
I was impressed that the last email you sent was civil and intelligent, and you haven't gone berzerk in your posts here (aside from the obvious latent homosexual tensions between you and Hirtes). Otherwise, you seem.. fairly normal, which throws me off.
The fact people make comments about the lack of backgrounds in furry comics is the main reason why I spend more time on doing better backgrounds.
You seem to put a continuing, broader effort into your work, which in itself puts you ahead of most furry artists. You might want to be a little more disclosed about your book's similarities to the X-Men, though.
HEY, what do you think about Magneto coming back for the umpteenth time? I gotta say, a lot of people thought he was finished after he killed Jean Grey, and Wolvie sliced his head clean off. But of course they brought him back, saying that it was in fact Xorn, which not only absolves him of being responsible for Jean Grey's death, but also of laying waste to New York City. And now they bring her back as well. And people are still clamoring for Colossus to be brought back! Fuck, it's getting as bad a furry webcomic over in the X-books, huh?
*Actually, I'm really gay for Donotsue, but in a *heavy sigh* distant, pining crush sort of way. Rankin I'm most visibly gay for, but... being gay for Rankin is really kind of gay, isn't it?
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M0us3_Zero
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The X-Comics have gotten that bad?
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Computolio
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T HIRTES, SHAWNTAE: KNOCK IT OFF |
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Rankin
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*Actually, I'm really gay for Donotsue, but in a *heavy sigh* distant, pining crush sort of way. Rankin I'm most visibly gay for, but... being gay for Rankin is really kind of gay, isn't it?
YOU BITCH! YOU GODDAMNED WHORE. YOU... well, I knew what this was. Be prepped for an extra ass-pounding tonight... or tomorrow.
Jus' don' hurt Donny - he's my boy!
Also, THIS THREAD IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
These forums are for homosexual banter, torment, and jeering - personal pissfests are what USENET is for.
Hirtes, I've never seen you not on the offensive. Shawntae's post was both quite open, and nothing near a personal attack. It's obviosu none of us gave a shit, or continue to, so let it lie, or take it back to USENET. Lest I have Bernal stuff you in one of his mashed donut vaginas. |
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Anonymous
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Just wanted to thank all the posters in this thread for the entertaining read, whether intentional or not, thanks. :D |
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Rankin
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Just wanted to thank all the posters in this thread for the entertaining read, whether intentional or not, thanks. :D
Do you like pie?
I love pie. |
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Anonymous
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Yes Pie is good :o |
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Yes Pie is god :o
Fixed.
AND GOD IS PIE. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:51:39 AM
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Personally I enjoy Extinctioners. I admit I also saw the similarities with the X Men but like you said, superheroes are pretty hard to create without being very similar to someone elses super hero. (I always hoped mine would be considered pretty original, I think I did okay)
As for the story, I hear a lot of folks say that it's a "Humans are evil" thing. But I disagree. The humans are in a desperate situation and have to do what they are doing. Just going about it in the wrong way, trying to get thier new home by force instead of diplomacy. Which if they went for diplomacy it would be a dull story. It's not really intended to be a complicated plot.
I have to stand in Shawntae's corner on this one. He's always been cool to me and I consider him a freind. I only read two furry comics anymore. (Unless you count Gold Digger which I don't). Extinctioners, and Havoc Inc. I stopped reading Shanda ages ago, sometimes I look through others but I rarely buy anymore. I like the story and it's more original than one would think by looking at the cover, the X Men taste is gone once the plot and story starts to sink in, at least in MY opinion.
I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable than I could give me some info on the Extinctioners, and the creator Shawntae Howard? Is her (his?) comic book any good? Is she a nice, reasonable person? I really don't know much since I've only heard the name mentioned a few times (and I'm just too lazy to Google it).
Judging from the character profiles on the Extinctioners site, it seems a bit derivative of X-Men. Of course, this is true of a LOT of comics, but some of these characters look like dead-on anthropomorphized clones of well know favorites (Allycat being a rip of Shadowcat, Shadowstalker being a rather silly looking rip of Nightcrawler, etc).
Now, I don't really consider furry comics to be 'real' comics (even trying to pass them off as 'indy' doesn't seem to save them). My question is, is it worth downloading the scans if I can find them? Are the books worth buying if I can't find them for free? If I can get ahold of the books, I will of course scan them myself and serve them up for everyone else, because I'm a really nice guy that way.
Any help or reviews you guys could share would be great. And don't forget, if I can find them I'll definitely redistribute them for everyone else. Cause, you know... nice guy and all (gotta be careful of what I say though, don't want those nasty Kaidatcha Dancers on my ass). |
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The New Meat
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I AM NOT GAY. Just so you know. I'm just gay for Rankin. And Donotsue*. And Charisma, but that's not really gay because she's a girl. Oh, and I'm kind of gay for ZenZhu and maybe, just maybe, deep in the furthest recesses of my heart, I'm a little gay for... Wayd Wolf. BUT THAT IS IT.
Is no one gay for me??? Even after I registered the gayest name that ever gayest out of gaytown?
Also, why are you so mean, Mike? This Howard seems like a perfectly nice young man. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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That there is my favorite character in the Extinctioners comics. She reminds me a lot of someone I care a lot about. That also is my favorite image of her. Last time I saw that look from my ex it meant I was going to be hurting. Considering my size, any woman that can make me hurt has my immediate respect.
You have to love her quote, "Don't yiff with this vixen!" "Yiff" in itself is a pretty insipid word under any circumstances, but it becomes doubly inane when used in the place of "fuck" as in "Don't fuck with me."
That meaning of "yiff" just doesn't stick. "Don't yiff with this vixen" sounds as if she's telling you she has STD.
Er... yeah. That's how I'd take it.
Somehow, this post, and the concept of Shawntae losing all talent and turning into one of the 'standard' furry artists ended up with this result:
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Big Evil Ogre
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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:59:36 AM
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In person Shawntae is actually pretty good natured about his name and appearance. (When I first wrote him he mentioned and I quote "And yes, I am a guy."
He's not real paranoid. Though (no offence to Shawntae) he does sometimes go off. But I can't begin to hold that against ANYONE. I have done some... pretty awful things on tangents, especially misunderstandings.
Oh, here's a picture of Shawntae for you.
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8649/master_s.jpg
Careful, he might get upset and email you asking just what do you mean showing his picture.
No, he'll land up on this thread instead, asking why we're assisting in the destruction of his comic. I can see it all now.
Also: please please please don't post any links to downloads or torrents in this forum. I don't want any more trouble with my host.
I doubt anyone is that paranoid. Well, then again, we are dealing with furries.
I wasn't exactly sure if Shawntae was a femme or not, and decided to do a google search. That was the third picture on Yerf.
As far as the "I WILL STEAL FROM U", I think S. I. was just being an ass.
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Big Evil Ogre
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:06:30 AM
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Actually I have to disagree. No attack towards you, please understand. I have known Shawntae since 1996 and we have talked each other through some rough times. He has gone out of his way for me on many occasions. I even shared a room with him and broke bread with him a few times. He has never intentionally done anything to hurt my feelings at all. In fact he has had faith in me when it came to home problems when no one else had faith.
Some people may not get along with him. But I like to think they have a respect for Shawntae. I have more than that. I call him my freind.
As for the X-men ripoff, I can kinda see why you think that. I just disagree as a personal opinion. I enjoy the comic, and it's pretty popular in this little section of the literary world. WHile it may not be much to the rest of the comics world.
It's very much a furry X-Men ripoff (and a pretty shitty one at that too). Thumbed through a copy once at the local comic shop (it was in the quarterbox, obviously), and wasn't impressed.
I wouldn't even bother downloading it for free from FXC if was ever featured there. That should tell you something.
Oh, and the fact that Shawntae Howard is a total dick IRL too doesn't motivate me into buying any copies either. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:16:06 AM
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Well... AFF isn't really in person. I don't know if Shawntae even posts there. I know Mike Curtis does, mike currently being on my shit list....
In my travels and jobs I have met a few Shawntaes, also ran into quite a few Howards. Though admittedly if you were attacked by one at AFF the odds that it was someone different with the same name are slim. But I have only seen Shawntae "attack" once. Usually he leaves that job for me. (JK) At the time of that attack thing had been escelating emotionally for some time.
And Finally, For the record I have not once nor have ever met Hirtes in person, so he can not say how I am in Real Life.
So, are you saying that the bastard who hassled me on AFF with no mercy was some other Shawntae Howard?
Yes I have had my battles with him online, but it's, from my point of view, started with some comments he made that were on the realm of being (let's just say not very culturally aware) and the fact he made very naste remarks about one of his enemies 2 day old baby girl.
Come on now (and yep, I guess I am dealing with the same Shawtae Howard now), try not to put such a one-sided spin on it. Why not just say that the guy in question is Jim Groat?
And, why not put things back into context and admit that I was talking about Jim and his inability to care for his own kids, yet continues to bang them out like a Catholic on Viagra.
And, let's not forget that article on the "Brats" web page, so I guess I'm not alone.
http://www.fred.net/turtle/kids/kidrants.shtml (look for #33713)
Still, I'll give Ol' Jimbo credit for having enough brain cells in that bowling ball he keeps on top of his neck by not taking photos of his kid in the bathtub to be developed.
To me, making cracks about a baby that's only been in the world for 2 days is crossing the line, regardless of how much you don't like the parents that brought them in the world, but that's just me.
Thank you M for the invite.
Keep on spinning, Shawntae. You're full of shit, you know. Nice try at trying to make trouble for me here though. Only a guy like you can try to take a thread about your quarterbox filler and twist it around into an attack on Hirtes. Was this some way for you to regain furryboi brownie points from the AFFholes after the heresy you just committed by earlier admitting that you agree with most of what CYD says? Can't blame you on that tactic I guess. Those psychos have been getting more than their usual insane lately (see anti-Alaska postings on there).
Now, hold GMVG's hand and the two of you frolic your way back to AFF, okeedokee? Thats'a good clown. |
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Donotsue
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...Why have I suddenly become the object of you guys ghey fantasies? =)
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:03:44 AM
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Hirtes, I've never seen you not on the offensive.
Shawntae posting to Hirtes = guaranteed shit from him.
And when it comes to dealing with furries, you have to be 100% on the offensive with them. Anything less is weakness that they will exploit.
Lest I have Bernal stuff you in one of his mashed donut vaginas.
Dude, ICK! I still haven't gotten back my wetsuit from the cleaners after the last time! |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:14:41 AM
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Actually I have to disagree. No attack towards you, please understand. I have known Shawntae since 1996 and we have talked each other through some rough times. He has gone out of his way for me on many occasions. I even shared a room with him and broke bread with him a few times. He has never intentionally done anything to hurt my feelings at all. In fact he has had faith in me when it came to home problems when no one else had faith.
Some people may not get along with him. But I like to think they have a respect for Shawntae. I have more than that. I call him my freind.
As for the X-men ripoff, I can kinda see why you think that. I just disagree as a personal opinion. I enjoy the comic, and it's pretty popular in this little section of the literary world. WHile it may not be much to the rest of the comics world.
Well, you're lucky. For me however, all I've seen from him is shit.
It's always the "nice, quiet boys" that usually have several corpses buried under the crawlspaces, you know. Just because they are nice to a few people doesn't mean that they're nice to all.
(Now I sit back and watch the furry overreation mode where I'm accused of saying that Shawntae Howard is a serial killer).
The point is that if he's treated you well, then go ahead and heap praises upon him and sing for his greater glory.
If he has treated you like crap however (as he has done to me, for AFF points, most likely), you have as much right to bitch off about it (as I reserve the right to). |
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Michael Hirtes
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...Why have I suddenly become the object of you guys ghey fantasies? =)
Jesus! Fucking! Christ!
NO!
Mpph........
Glupph!
BLLLLLLAAARRRRRRRRRRrRrrrrRrrRrggggGgGghhHhH!!!" |
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Ebonyleopard
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Well, that ruins my reading enjoyment. Shawntae, edit your post and enclose the url like this: place url here>put some text here. That'll turn it into a hyperlink. I'd do it myself, but for some reason they refuse to make me an admin.
Sorry about that, still learning how the posting here works. Not good with html.
I was impressed that the last email you sent was civil and intelligent, and you haven't gone berzerk in your posts here (aside from the obvious latent homosexual tensions between you and Hirtes). Otherwise, you seem.. fairly normal, which throws me off.
The fact people make comments about the lack of backgrounds in furry comics is the main reason why I spend more time on doing better backgrounds.
You seem to put a continuing, broader effort into your work, which in itself puts you ahead of most furry artists. You might want to be a little more disclosed about your book's similarities to the X-Men, though.
HEY, what do you think about Magneto coming back for the umpteenth time? I gotta say, a lot of people thought he was finished after he killed Jean Grey, and Wolvie sliced his head clean off. But of course they brought him back, saying that it was in fact Xorn, which not only absolves him of being responsible for Jean Grey's death, but also of laying waste to New York City. And now they bring her back as well. And people are still clamoring for Colossus to be brought back! Fuck, it's getting as bad a furry webcomic over in the X-books, huh?
Well, I was kinda happy they brought him back ONLY because I felt the way the killed him (at least tried to the last 2 times) were pretty lame. Frankly, this current one I have no idea how he's back cause I thought he had his friggin' head cut off. As for Colossus, I'm glad he's back cause again, his death was really lame too. They don't seem to kill characters as dramatic as the first time Jean Grey kicked the bucket as Phoenix way back when.
*Actually, I'm really gay for Donotsue, but in a *heavy sigh* distant, pining crush sort of way. Rankin I'm most visibly gay for, but... being gay for Rankin is really kind of gay, isn't it?
ALSO: I give up.
Heh. Well, I love Mike, in a plutonic, or however you spell it, way. |
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Mitch
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:37:15 PM
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Actually I have to disagree. No attack towards you, please understand. I have known Shawntae since 1996 and we have talked each other through some rough times. He has gone out of his way for me on many occasions. I even shared a room with him and broke bread with him a few times. He has never intentionally done anything to hurt my feelings at all. In fact he has had faith in me when it came to home problems when no one else had faith.
Some people may not get along with him. But I like to think they have a respect for Shawntae. I have more than that. I call him my freind.
As for the X-men ripoff, I can kinda see why you think that. I just disagree as a personal opinion. I enjoy the comic, and it's pretty popular in this little section of the literary world. WHile it may not be much to the rest of the comics world.
Well, you're lucky. For me however, all I've seen from him is shit.
It's always the "nice, quiet boys" that usually have several corpses buried under the crawlspaces, you know. Just because they are nice to a few people doesn't mean that they're nice to all.
(Now I sit back and watch the furry overreation mode where I'm accused of saying that Shawntae Howard is a serial killer).
The point is that if he's treated you well, then go ahead and heap praises upon him and sing for his greater glory.
If he has treated you like crap however (as he has done to me, for AFF points, most likely), you have as much right to bitch off about it (as I reserve the right to).
Come on, you've spent years attacking every damn furry under the sun on a.f.f. so can't very well go acting all surprised when they bite back. And what's with your overreaction in this thread? It's not like Shawntae attacked you here, all he did was mention why he flamed you on a.f.f. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:38:15 PM
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Heh. Well, I love Mike, in a plutonic, or however you spell it, way.
Dude, fuck off, please. You're obviously just trying to pull that same shit here at me as you do towards me on AFF. I could say something bad about the KKK and you'd even take their side out of sheer spite.
And by the way, dictionary.com has this to say:
Plu·to·ni·an also Plu·ton·ic (-tnk)
adj.
Of or relating to the god Pluto or the underworld; infernal.
So, unless the word you meant to say was "platonic" (Jeez! For someone with a degree and loves to brag about it, but you can't even spell a word that's taught in second grade? Pretty fucking sad of you, guy.), yeah, your treatment towards me truly has been infernal. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:43:46 PM
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Come on, you've spent years attacking every damn furry under the sun on a.f.f. so can't very well go acting all surprised when they bite back. And what's with your overreaction in this thread? It's not like Shawntae attacked you here, all he did was mention why he flamed you on a.f.f.
And he's obviously bringing it here because he wants to cause the same sort of mayhem here as he's done on AFF. I would think you would have noticed that he arrived with a sack full of wedges to drive.
As far as I'm concerned, Shawntae Howard is one of the tormentors that have fueled my intense loathing for furrydumb. |
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Kadius
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Get some gasoline, we're gonna have a burning at the cross.
And Mike, tone it down or take it to aff, please. :| |
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Paul
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:58:05 PM
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Come on, you've spent years attacking every damn furry under the sun on a.f.f. so can't very well go acting all surprised when they bite back. And what's with your overreaction in this thread? It's not like Shawntae attacked you here, all he did was mention why he flamed you on a.f.f.
And he's obviously bringing it here because he wants to cause the same sort of mayhem here as he's done on AFF. I would think you would have noticed that he arrived with a sack full of wedges to drive.
Michael, I enjoy your postings on this forum, but that's not right. Shawntae has been perfectly civil here and hasn't tried to stir up anything. Please, keep the private dramarama and grammar policing to PM. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 2:49:54 PM
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Come on, you've spent years attacking every damn furry under the sun on a.f.f. so can't very well go acting all surprised when they bite back. And what's with your overreaction in this thread? It's not like Shawntae attacked you here, all he did was mention why he flamed you on a.f.f.
And he's obviously bringing it here because he wants to cause the same sort of mayhem here as he's done on AFF. I would think you would have noticed that he arrived with a sack full of wedges to drive.
Michael, I enjoy your postings on this forum, but that's not right. Shawntae has been perfectly civil here and hasn't tried to stir up anything. Please, keep the private dramarama and grammar policing to PM.
The cocksucker accused me of being mean to children. He didn't have to do that, and he certainly didn't have to do it here.
He's obviously doing it because he's ruined AFF for me, and now he's trying to pull that same shit here. |
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Rankin
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Posted: 9/16/2004 3:05:50 PM
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He's obviously doing it because he's ruined AFF for me, and now he's trying to pull that same shit here.
If anything or anyone supports the maxim of your being a reactionary asshole, it's you. Just because there's something Mikie doesn't like, that doesn't mean he has to piss in the community bowl of Wheaties.
You came out and attacked Shawntae without localized reasoning, then cited prior wrongs - why not keep yourself busy by mowing down the Japanese, huh? We've got gay sex to get back to. |
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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:27:21 PM
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He's obviously doing it because he's ruined AFF for me, and now he's trying to pull that same shit here.
If anything or anyone supports the maxim of your being a reactionary asshole, it's you. Just because there's something Mikie doesn't like, that doesn't mean he has to piss in the community bowl of Wheaties.
You came out and attacked Shawntae without localized reasoning, then cited prior wrongs - why not keep yourself busy by mowing down the Japanese, huh? We've got gay sex to get back to.
Why don't you go give Howard a blowjob, OK? I can't see how else you can put a bigger smile on his face right now.
I'm sure all this crap I'm getting here is pleasing him immensely. Real shame too. I kind of used to think that CYD is a haven from the furry fascist groupthink of AFF.
The bastard attacked me (guess that's what happens to those who dare not to worship Tamar's godliness), and I fought back. If this is a surprise to you, then you must have never heard of me until less than 48 hours ago. |
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GoManVanGogh
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Keep digging, Mike, I can still see your forehead. :) |
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The Outsider
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Uh...Computholio...now would be a GOOD time to clip this thread before it becomes a WWE pay-per-view main event. All this is going to escalate and there'll be plenty of hard feelings to go around.
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Donotsue
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Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
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The New Meat
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Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
Suddenly, I am filled with love! |
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Rankin
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Awww. A pretty teeny bunny. Something for the Bernal folks. Eww.
Ewww.
At least it isn't goatse-ing us. Yet.
Web forums seem to breed in the habits of stimulus/Response. Otherwise, it's not entirely that similar to USENET, beyond the signal/noise ratio. ;) |
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ZenZhu
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Wow.... just............ wow. :shock:
Hey, guys, you remember Hong Kong Phooey? He's back, in Pog form.
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GoManVanGogh
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:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:
(Musn't... gush... must... stay... EVIL!)
:shock: *SNAP*
:D Awwww! Wookit da KYOOTE widdle bunny-kinz! Izzin 'ee KYOOTE! :D |
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ZenZhu
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You're using the wrong diversionary tactic, Donny. You need better ammo.
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Rankin
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From those, you get these:
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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(In lieu of have anything intelligent to say at this point.) |
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Rankin
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GoManVanGogh
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Uhhh... Hey, baby!
The way you wave your flag around makes my private salute!
Wanna give him a tour of duty before he's discharged? :twisted: |
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ZenZhu
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"So, do you see a proud soldier standing at attention?"
"No, I see a little old man, slumped over his baggage." |
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SLaitila
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Drooooool... |
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ZenZhu
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I found this great "diversionary" picture with bare boobs all the way around... but, it might be a bit over the top for displaying as an image here. So... just imagine boobs, folks.... take a deep breath.... exhale.... go to your corners... and meditate on boobs.
Except for some of you... you meditate on Donny's kawk. |
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Donotsue
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I just tried to get yer thoughts off of all this faggotry, porn and hate for a moment
with the bunnayh! =) |
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Donotsue
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I just tried to get yer thoughts off of all this faggotry, porn and hate for a moment
with the bunnayh! =) |
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GoManVanGogh
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I found this great "diversionary" picture with bare boobs all the way around... but, it might be a bit over the top for displaying as an image here. So... just imagine boobs, folks.... take a deep breath.... exhale.... go to your corners... and meditate on boobs.
Boobies GOOOOD!
Goatse BAAAAD! |
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Rankin
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Ever notice how Lars and Hirtes have similar phonetics... and they're both trash-talking Nancy-boys?
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Wayd Wolf
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Wow, this has been... several minutes of my life I'm not getting back.
And Mike is right, he wasn't attacking Groat's kids, he was attacking Groat's inability to deal with what he has as he keeps manufacturing more. I've known people that had their children removed and placed in foster care for less neglect or bad taste than Groat. Nice enough guy I hear, but then I hear other things from other people I respect and so... not a wash but not enough to judge him as some others might. But, I could tell the difference when Mike made his comments. Many others could and choose not to.
He's also right about not showing weakness before furries. Any such showing is taken advantage of. Not saying the flame explosion is right, just that weakness is taken advantage of by furries. Usually to the best emotional damage.
From Mike's reactionary nature regarding this area, I'd have to say he, like myself, has given furries way too many second and third and whatnot chances and gotten burned every time. Me, I'm way too laid back for any more explosions like I used to feel goaded to at a.f.f. Let furry go to rot with the idiots, morons, twinks, perverts, and creeps. And if the nice and stable people I know who continue to insist on associating deeply with furries and calling themselves furries without actually having their idiot defects, that's their call. I can't save anyone.
I AM NOT GAY. Just so you know. I'm just gay for Rankin. And Donotsue*. And Charisma, but that's not really gay because she's a girl. Oh, and I'm kind of gay for ZenZhu and maybe, just maybe, deep in the furthest recesses of my heart, I'm a little gay for... Wayd Wolf. BUT THAT IS IT.
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Big Evil Ogre
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Hey... where'd you get that picture of me there? Now really, ask Shawntae and The Outsider. That's me on the left there.
Ever notice how Lars and Hirtes have similar phonetics... and they're both trash-talking Nancy-boys?
Yeah. I thought so. |
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Ebonyleopard
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Well... AFF isn't really in person. I don't know if Shawntae even posts there. I know Mike Curtis does, mike currently being on my shit list....
In my travels and jobs I have met a few Shawntaes, also ran into quite a few Howards. Though admittedly if you were attacked by one at AFF the odds that it was someone different with the same name are slim. But I have only seen Shawntae "attack" once. Usually he leaves that job for me. (JK) At the time of that attack thing had been escelating emotionally for some time.
And Finally, For the record I have not once nor have ever met Hirtes in person, so he can not say how I am in Real Life.
So, are you saying that the bastard who hassled me on AFF with no mercy was some other Shawntae Howard?
Yes I have had my battles with him online, but it's, from my point of view, started with some comments he made that were on the realm of being (let's just say not very culturally aware) and the fact he made very naste remarks about one of his enemies 2 day old baby girl.
Come on now (and yep, I guess I am dealing with the same Shawtae Howard now), try not to put such a one-sided spin on it. Why not just say that the guy in question is Jim Groat?
And, why not put things back into context and admit that I was talking about Jim and his inability to care for his own kids, yet continues to bang them out like a Catholic on Viagra.
And, let's not forget that article on the "Brats" web page, so I guess I'm not alone.
http://www.fred.net/turtle/kids/kidrants.shtml (look for #33713)
Still, I'll give Ol' Jimbo credit for having enough brain cells in that bowling ball he keeps on top of his neck by not taking photos of his kid in the bathtub to be developed.
To me, making cracks about a baby that's only been in the world for 2 days is crossing the line, regardless of how much you don't like the parents that brought them in the world, but that's just me.
Thank you M for the invite.
Keep on spinning, Shawntae. You're full of shit, you know. Nice try at trying to make trouble for me here though. Only a guy like you can try to take a thread about your quarterbox filler and twist it around into an attack on Hirtes. Was this some way for you to regain furryboi brownie points from the AFFholes after the heresy you just committed by earlier admitting that you agree with most of what CYD says? Can't blame you on that tactic I guess. Those psychos have been getting more than their usual insane lately (see anti-Alaska postings on there).
Now, hold GMVG's hand and the two of you frolic your way back to AFF, okeedokee? Thats'a good clown.
Heh, I'll own up to that one. Yeah, I do do some pretty stupid stuff for entertainment value on AFF only because it's easy to get a predictable reaction out of certain people, when I'm on a bored stage. I can go weeks without posting there, then sometimes It'll be like, a coupld of days of pure childish trash talk for no other reason than, because.
Heh, I'm no saint for sure, I know what buttons to push, but now it's only because those buttons were offered up to be pushed due to having a door in a since, slammed in my face.
I am only human after all. I do stupid things too. I just own up to them. |
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Ebonyleopard
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:20:22 AM
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Heh. Well, I love Mike, in a plutonic, or however you spell it, way.
Dude, fuck off, please. You're obviously just trying to pull that same shit here at me as you do towards me on AFF. I could say something bad about the KKK and you'd even take their side out of sheer spite.
And by the way, dictionary.com has this to say:
Plu·to·ni·an also Plu·ton·ic (-tnk)
adj.
Of or relating to the god Pluto or the underworld; infernal.
So, unless the word you meant to say was "platonic" (Jeez! For someone with a degree and loves to brag about it, but you can't even spell a word that's taught in second grade? Pretty fucking sad of you, guy.), yeah, your treatment towards me truly has been infernal.
No, I do believe I meant what I typed, as you've nicely defined the double meaning. Gotta wear gloves when you're dealing with the devil of net flames. ;) :twisted: |
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Ebonyleopard
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:26:23 AM
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Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
OMG, is it manly to say that is friggin cute.
Reminds me of the baby bunnies we found in our backyard last winter. Unfortunately, we found the litter too late (a cat had attacked the hole). 2 died from wonds of the attack, 2 froze to death and the other three, though we tried, did not survive our care.
Anybody know what you do when you do find wild rabbits that have been left by their mother? All I know, our local animal shelters won't take them. |
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Ebonyleopard
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:28:07 AM
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Wow.... just............ wow. :shock:
Hey, guys, you remember Hong Kong Phooey? He's back, in Pog form.
Pog? Those little milk cap things (how I hated those damn things when I worked in a comic shop.) |
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Ebonyleopard
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:29:36 AM
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From those, you get these:
LOL!
It want from a : Awww, to a AAAH, to a AAARGH moment. |
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Ebonyleopard
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(In lieu of have anything intelligent to say at this point.)
That's not very on model. And I wonder why an otherwise flat picture would require a photoshoped image background. |
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Ebonyleopard
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Wow, this has been... several minutes of my life I'm not getting back.
And Mike is right, he wasn't attacking Groat's kids, he was attacking Groat's inability to deal with what he has as he keeps manufacturing more. I've known people that had their children removed and placed in foster care for less neglect or bad taste than Groat. Nice enough guy I hear, but then I hear other things from other people I respect and so... not a wash but not enough to judge him as some others might. But, I could tell the difference when Mike made his comments. Many others could and choose not to.
He's also right about not showing weakness before furries. Any such showing is taken advantage of. Not saying the flame explosion is right, just that weakness is taken advantage of by furries. Usually to the best emotional damage.
From Mike's reactionary nature regarding this area, I'd have to say he, like myself, has given furries way too many second and third and whatnot chances and gotten burned every time. Me, I'm way too laid back for any more explosions like I used to feel goaded to at a.f.f. Let furry go to rot with the idiots, morons, twinks, perverts, and creeps. And if the nice and stable people I know who continue to insist on associating deeply with furries and calling themselves furries without actually having their idiot defects, that's their call. I can't save anyone.
I AM NOT GAY. Just so you know. I'm just gay for Rankin. And Donotsue*. And Charisma, but that's not really gay because she's a girl. Oh, and I'm kind of gay for ZenZhu and maybe, just maybe, deep in the furthest recesses of my heart, I'm a little gay for... Wayd Wolf. BUT THAT IS IT.
You couldn't afford me. :twisted:
How many kids does Groat have anyway? I thought now he only has 2, or is it 3, and to be fair, not that I know, since I'm not living with him or filing his taxes, I heard he had a job. Maybe not well paying, but work is work in this economy.
And for the record, I have not now nor have ever called or considered myself a furry, because frankly, the name is pretty corny, but it's a generic term that gets thrown around alot (because humans just gotta lable things with names of some type).
Believe me, I'm no fan of annoying kids either (I work with a whole bunch of them every day), but I usually take the issue with the parents of the kids rather than the kids themselves, until they reach a certain age to, regardless of upbringing, to know better (usually age 15).
And also for the record, as entertaining and in cases like Don, talented you al may be from time to time, I'm not gay for any of you. I prefer peaches and milk over saugage and donuts. |
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The Outsider
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Hey... where'd you get that picture of me there? Now really, ask Shawntae and The Outsider. That's me on the left there.
Cripes...it looks like some sort of Big Daddy Roth version of you, except you're not in your Canaro (heh).
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The Outsider
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Posted: 9/17/2004 6:08:45 AM
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Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
OMG, is it manly to say that is friggin cute.
I don't know if it's manly to say that bunny is KOOT, but I know Ellen would fawn over that literal handful.
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Archae
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Dear Shawntae,
Jesus Christ, bitch. Give it up and fuck off back to your asskissers at AFF, willya?
Hey Michael, go back to kissing up to the "Burned Furs."
(Do they even still exist?) |
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Archae
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Posted: 9/17/2004 7:21:56 AM
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The best part about Shawntae Howard is how he treats his fans.
A few of his fans (including me) created a "backup group" for the Extinctioners, called the GSIF.
My own character, "Archae," is one of those not-so-usual anthro characters, I mean, how many skunks and vixens and cats are there?
My character is an anthro arrchaeopteryx.
(Look it up if you don't know what the hell it is.)
Shawntae though accepted the fan group "GSIF," even embraced it, drawing pictures of the GSIF characters, including Archae here.
(Colored by John Silipino)
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Slippy/Colored%20Gifts/archae_color.jpg
When I was deciding on Archae's powers, I was thinking of the fact he is an avian, so...I based his powers somewhat on the X-Men character "Storm."
HOWEVER...
Archae's powers and Storm's are much different.
For Archae, creating wind is easy, and one of his favorite tricks is to cause "still air" to collect around an opponent's head, so the opponent keeps breathing their own air until they pass out.
Creating more drastic weather wears Archae out, and shooting lightning from his hands like Storm does so easily, would exhaust Archae to the point he would probably die.
So to those who still keep whining about Extinctioners comics, why not do like Shawntae himself said to a persistent critic.
Write and draw a comic book yourself, that's better! |
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Shmeckopolis
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Wow, that's a lovely target you've branded on yourself... |
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Michael Hirtes
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Wow, that's a lovely target you've branded on yourself...
Can I fire the first round? :twisted: |
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Michael Hirtes
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Dear Shawntae,
Jesus Christ, bitch. Give it up and fuck off back to your asskissers at AFF, willya?
Hey Michael, go back to kissing up to the "Burned Furs."
(Do they even still exist?)
Mitch? I thought you had this place sprayed for AFFers for this month. |
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Sean
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Posted: 9/17/2004 8:44:12 AM
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Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
A thousand thanks...that was just the remedy I needed for having seen the "ghey, dripping Donny" drawing earlier.
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Big Evil Ogre
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I chose a more standard animal. Landslide is a cat. But his powers I always thought were pretty original. As in not as mainstream, Todd McFarlane had a few similarly powered creatures and I'm sure DC and Marvel had to have em. I just dunno who.
But I left the GSIF ages ago. So I was never cut into the art deal. Which was fine, I got a full color original of Landslide, Sierra, and Prowl from Shawntae so no regrets.
To quote the Outsider "Kitty evil"
The best part about Shawntae Howard is how he treats his fans.
A few of his fans (including me) created a "backup group" for the Extinctioners, called the GSIF.
My own character, "Archae," is one of those not-so-usual anthro characters, I mean, how many skunks and vixens and cats are there?
My character is an anthro arrchaeopteryx.
(Look it up if you don't know what the hell it is.)
Shawntae though accepted the fan group "GSIF," even embraced it, drawing pictures of the GSIF characters, including Archae here.
(Colored by John Silipino)
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Slippy/Colored%20Gifts/archae_color.jpg
When I was deciding on Archae's powers, I was thinking of the fact he is an avian, so...I based his powers somewhat on the X-Men character "Storm."
HOWEVER...
Archae's powers and Storm's are much different.
For Archae, creating wind is easy, and one of his favorite tricks is to cause "still air" to collect around an opponent's head, so the opponent keeps breathing their own air until they pass out.
Creating more drastic weather wears Archae out, and shooting lightning from his hands like Storm does so easily, would exhaust Archae to the point he would probably die.
So to those who still keep whining about Extinctioners comics, why not do like Shawntae himself said to a persistent critic.
Write and draw a comic book yourself, that's better! |
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SLaitila
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My own character, "Archae," is one of those not-so-usual anthro characters, I mean, how many skunks and vixens and cats are there?
My character is an anthro arrchaeopteryx.
(Look it up if you don't know what the hell it is.)
Shawntae though accepted the fan group "GSIF," even embraced it, drawing pictures of the GSIF characters, including Archae here.
(Colored by John Silipino)
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Slippy/Colored%20Gifts/archae_color.jpg
When I was deciding on Archae's powers, I was thinking of the fact he is an avian, so...I based his powers somewhat on the X-Men character "Storm."
HOWEVER...
Archae's powers and Storm's are much different.
For Archae, creating wind is easy, and one of his favorite tricks is to cause "still air" to collect around an opponent's head, so the opponent keeps breathing their own air until they pass out.
Creating more drastic weather wears Archae out, and shooting lightning from his hands like Storm does so easily, would exhaust Archae to the point he would probably die.
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Big Evil Ogre
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Ah yes, this picture makes me think of the innocence that humans don't have anymore. The real angels of our existence, the animals we take in who always give us something to smile about.
That little soul in that image is so comfortable and trusting. At any second those fingers COULD come closing in to squeeze the life from it's body. But he knows that won't happen. That little soul has more faith in people than I do, thats for sure.
Oh you people... with yer puny problems.. =)
Have a bunny!
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Michael Hirtes
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That little soul in that image is so comfortable and trusting. At any second those fingers COULD come closing in to squeeze the life from it's body. But he knows that won't happen. That little soul has more faith in people than I do, thats for sure.
Wait until it gets painted a shiny color of purple for a Steve Martin painting or some kooky Japanese guy comes up and tries to balance pancakes on it's head. :wink: |
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Archae
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Dear Shawntae,
Jesus Christ, bitch. Give it up and fuck off back to your asskissers at AFF, willya?
Hey Michael, go back to kissing up to the "Burned Furs."
(Do they even still exist?)
Mitch? I thought you had this place sprayed for AFFers for this month.
I have no contact with AFF, in fact I avoid it like the plague.
Like I avoid the entire Usenet. |
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Skunkfuckers Inc.
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Wait until it gets painted a shiny color of purple for a Steve Martin painting or some kooky Japanese guy comes up and tries to balance pancakes on it's head. :wink:
WTF, you did not just compare Steve Martin bunny yiff to the saintly owner of our beloved, dearly departed Oolong did you? You ARE finally revealed as a heartless monster!!
(100th post in my own thread, alright!!) |
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Paul
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The best part about Shawntae Howard is how he treats his fans.
A few of his fans (including me) created a "backup group" for the Extinctioners, called the GSIF.
My own character, "Archae," is one of those not-so-usual anthro characters, I mean, how many skunks and vixens and cats are there?
My character is an anthro arrchaeopteryx.
(Look it up if you don't know what the hell it is.)
Shawntae though accepted the fan group "GSIF," even embraced it, drawing pictures of the GSIF characters, including Archae here.
(Colored by John Silipino)
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Slippy/Colored%20Gifts/archae_color.jpg
When I was deciding on Archae's powers, I was thinking of the fact he is an avian, so...I based his powers somewhat on the X-Men character "Storm."
HOWEVER...
Archae's powers and Storm's are much different.
For Archae, creating wind is easy, and one of his favorite tricks is to cause "still air" to collect around an opponent's head, so the opponent keeps breathing their own air until they pass out.
Creating more drastic weather wears Archae out, and shooting lightning from his hands like Storm does so easily, would exhaust Archae to the point he would probably die.
What, is it the international UN-recommended "describe your furry character ad nauseam"-day today?
So to those who still keep whining about Extinctioners comics, why not do like Shawntae himself said to a persistent critic.
Write and draw a comic book yourself, that's better!
You can't criticize a comic book unless you're a comic book creator yourself? That argument sucks ass. That means you can't criticize a film unless you're a movie director yourself, and you can't criticize George W Bush unless you're president of the USA yourself. |
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Donotsue
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On television, they usually don't allow "fag," but since I'm gay, it's okay. And with the new approval of the word "shit,"
I can now say: "Hey there, shitty shitty fag fag, shitty shitty fag fag, how do you do?
Hey there, shitty shitty fag fag, shitty shitty fag fag, how do you do?"
Mr Garrison. |
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Archae
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Because you dweebs are being overly critical of a damn good comic book, (furry or not,) that brings back the glory days of the X-Men, when Chris Claremont wrote the stories and John Byrne and others drew them.
The "Dark Phoenix" stories, and the "Brood" storyliine.
Not the pile of crap Marvel shoves in comic fans' faces these days with "revisionist of the month" stories.
I mean, Nightcrawler's dad being a demon? What a crock of s***.
Wolverine being a sickly boy born over a hundred years ago? :o |
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Rankin
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All comics suck. I mean, that's their entire point. They were, and continue to be designed for the lowbrow. Leibfield, however, designed for the lowbrow, and very, very, very gay.
There's only one comic worth it's salt in the last 10 years, and it's been gone nearly that long. S'long Calvin.
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Archae
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All comics suck. I mean, that's their entire point. They were, and continue to be designed for the lowbrow. Leibfield, however, designed for the lowbrow, and very, very, very gay.
First, what or who is "Leibfield," and second, what the bloody hell is your obsession with gays?
Are they the boogeyman hiding in your closet, ready to jump out at your when you least expect it to scare you?
I'm not gay.
But I have many good frineds who are.
Oh, and your slur against ALL comics is a full load of steaming male bovine excrement.
Go and find the comic book "Maus," and "Maus II," then get back to me. |
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GoManVanGogh
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Reminds me of the baby bunnies we found in our backyard last winter. Unfortunately, we found the litter too late (a cat had attacked the hole). 2 died from wonds of the attack, 2 froze to death and the other three, though we tried, did not survive our care.
*sniff*
:cry: BAAAAAAW! :cry:
*sniff* I'm sorry, it's just... those poor little bunnies!
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Rankin
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First, what or who is "Leibfield," and second, what the bloody hell is your obsession with gays?
Are they the boogeyman hiding in your closet, ready to jump out at your when you least expect it to scare you?
I'm not gay.
But I have many good frineds who are.
Oh, and your slur against ALL comics is a full load of steaming male bovine excrement.
Go and find the comic book "Maus," and "Maus II," then get back to me.
I always misspell his name. It's Rob Liefeld. Hit up Google if you truly want to see an abundance of horrible, horrible pictures.
Nah. I'm not afraid of gay folks; In fact, I've slept with a few of them. You'd probably do best to 'feel out' a humour/chat site before you blast the patrons for what is most likely a running joke.
I'm sorry. but you take your comics too serious. Maus, also, was not a comic. It was a tale set in an anthropomorphic fashion, but it was hardly a 'comic'. Archie is a comic. The Boondocks is a comic. My assertion stands. |
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Ya know everyone always mentions Maus and the thing is... I really didn't like it that much. I can say it was OK..and thats it. Ill respect it for what it is. I've read it once and it will probably sit on my bookshelf never to be opened again (along with the collected Watchmen for ex.). I may even buy the second one someday if I have money burning a hole in my pocket and its on sale. |
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Because you dweebs are being overly critical of a damn good comic book, (furry or not,) that brings back the glory days of the X-Men, when Chris Claremont wrote the stories and John Byrne and others drew them.
Am I the only one finding him calling us dweebs ironic? Especially when he just posted this....
A few of his fans (including me) created a "backup group" for the Extinctioners, called the GSIF.
My own character, "Archae," is one of those not-so-usual anthro characters, I mean, how many skunks and vixens and cats are there?
My character is an anthro arrchaeopteryx.
(Look it up if you don't know what the hell it is.)
Shawntae though accepted the fan group "GSIF," even embraced it, drawing pictures of the GSIF characters, including Archae here.
(Colored by John Silipino)
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Slippy/Colored%20Gifts/archae_color.jpg
When I was deciding on Archae's powers, I was thinking of the fact he is an avian, so...I based his powers somewhat on the X-Men character "Storm."
HOWEVER...
Archae's powers and Storm's are much different.
For Archae, creating wind is easy, and one of his favorite tricks is to cause "still air" to collect around an opponent's head, so the opponent keeps breathing their own air until they pass out.
Creating more drastic weather wears Archae out, and shooting lightning from his hands like Storm does so easily, would exhaust Archae to the point he would probably die.
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Am I the only one finding him calling us dweebs ironic? Especially when he just posted this....
The only thing thicker than skin here, is skull. |
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Submitted for your approval- a story of a boy who asks about a comic book, only to be taken on a journey through fire and dementia, through pointless details and mindless minutae. A story of a boy who finds himself on a very long, very strange, very twisty road whose destination can only be.......
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Because you dweebs are being overly critical of a damn good comic book, (furry or not,) that brings back the glory days of the X-Men, when Chris Claremont wrote the stories and John Byrne and others drew them.
Dude, please. Throttle back on the sycophantery, OK? Even if I did like Howard I'd be getting creeped out by what you said. |
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Reminds me of the baby bunnies we found in our backyard last winter. Unfortunately, we found the litter too late (a cat had attacked the hole). 2 died from wonds of the attack, 2 froze to death and the other three, though we tried, did not survive our care.
I found a bunny out on a county road the other night! It was white and had a tattoo in its ear, so we knew it must have been an abandoned fair bunny. Stupid fair people always abandoning the inedible rabbits..
So we took her home and bathed her and kept her. And named her Bunnicula. Haha, get it?!? She doesn't like the rats much, though.
Bunnies is cute.
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Neither one of those would suprise me. Especially the Steve Martin part I could see doing that.
That little soul in that image is so comfortable and trusting. At any second those fingers COULD come closing in to squeeze the life from it's body. But he knows that won't happen. That little soul has more faith in people than I do, thats for sure.
Wait until it gets painted a shiny color of purple for a Steve Martin painting or some kooky Japanese guy comes up and tries to balance pancakes on it's head. :wink:
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Not all comics are crap.. . but like with many things today... you haveta look
back some 50 years to find good stuff... =)
I direct youse once again to the great Carl Barks.
http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/blumarine/14/
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Hey there, shitty shitty fag fag, shitty shitty fag fag, how do you do? |
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My problem with Extinctioners is that is A)yet another superhero rag and B)that it is furry.
Yes, furry. Not anthropomorphic. Maybe unavoidable given that being a superhero thing makes it already hokey and thus beyond being serious anthropomorphics, but the characters are just slightly the other side of Hardiman's Caterwaul but with neat-o powers and less sex.
But worst, is that there's with all things of note in furry, too many fan-bois(what is it with that frigging spelling insistance around here lately?) and too little resistance at the helm to it.
Again, we see it in Trek. No one at that franchise seems to go out of their way beyond Shatner to say, "get a life". So if SH isn't discouraging furrydumb from wrapping itself around Extinctioners, nothing new. Rarely does anyone turn away anyone from one's product as long as they pay something no matter how unsightly.
Maybe that's an advantage of writing as opposed to drawing. I can say "FUCK OFF" to anyone who wants me to turn my writing into something other than I intend it to be and since I'm not selling it and thus not relying on any of it for income, I am totally free to disassociate what I do from those reading it.
If I did have to do anything with super powers it certainly would NOT be ala Marvel/DC/whoeveritisthisweek but vastly different. I did work up a movie treatment aimed specifically at straight to video for such a concept but it's something I'm sitting on unless the right people bite.
Meanwhile, I read all this with amusement however detached and leave you with this. I see bunnies, chipmunks, and squirrels all day in the wooded areas around the homes of my custmers. After a while, it makes you yawn. But thanks for the effort though.
And no, there's not an anti-gay current here that I can see. A bunch of CYDers are gay or bi and merely having fun with the overwhelming gayness injected into furry constantly never mind referring to the AOLer chatkiddie tendency to label everything gay or call people a fag or whatnot. Not like it has serious meaning.
Have we beaten the whole thing into the ground? Good. Now let's backfill and put up the headstone. |
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My problem with Extinctioners is that is A)yet another superhero rag and B)that it is furry.
Yes, furry. Not anthropomorphic. Maybe unavoidable given that being a superhero thing makes it already hokey and thus beyond being serious anthropomorphics, but the characters are just slightly the other side of Hardiman's Caterwaul but with neat-o powers and less sex.
But worst, is that there's with all things of note in furry, too many fan-bois(what is it with that frigging spelling insistance around here lately?) and too little resistance at the helm to it.
Again, we see it in Trek. No one at that franchise seems to go out of their way beyond Shatner to say, "get a life". So if SH isn't discouraging furrydumb from wrapping itself around Extinctioners, nothing new. Rarely does anyone turn away anyone from one's product as long as they pay something no matter how unsightly.
Maybe that's an advantage of writing as opposed to drawing. I can say "FUCK OFF" to anyone who wants me to turn my writing into something other than I intend it to be and since I'm not selling it and thus not relying on any of it for income, I am totally free to disassociate what I do from those reading it.
If I did have to do anything with super powers it certainly would NOT be ala Marvel/DC/whoeveritisthisweek but vastly different. I did work up a movie treatment aimed specifically at straight to video for such a concept but it's something I'm sitting on unless the right people bite.
Meanwhile, I read all this with amusement however detached and leave you with this. I see bunnies, chipmunks, and squirrels all day in the wooded areas around the homes of my custmers. After a while, it makes you yawn. But thanks for the effort though.
And no, there's not an anti-gay current here that I can see. A bunch of CYDers are gay or bi and merely having fun with the overwhelming gayness injected into furry constantly never mind referring to the AOLer chatkiddie tendency to label everything gay or call people a fag or whatnot. Not like it has serious meaning.
Have we beaten the whole thing into the ground? Good. Now let's backfill and put up the headstone.
Well I guess it's a good thing I don't do the comic for you or them, but for myself. I happen to like superheros. I happen to like humanoid animals, thus I decided way back in middle school I wanted to do a comic about superhero animals. The first 2 stories were stuff I came up with and had once drawn when I was in high school before I ever found out about furry, so I don't feel I'm doing anything to please fanboys.
"So if SH isn't discouraging furrydumb from wrapping itself around Extinctioners, nothing new. Rarely does anyone turn away anyone from one's product as long as they pay something no matter how unsightly." This statement really doesn't make much since. If I read you right, you sound like you are suggesting to me that I should in some why try to discourage "furries" from buying my comic. Frankly, that makes no sense at all, business or otherwise. I'm sure Stan Saki doesn't mind if "Furries" are buying Usagi so long as they are bing picked up off the shelf. For that fact, why would any creator of anything try to discourage the purchase of their material? In this case, why I do not sit at my table and say( what can I do that furry fanbois will like) before I put pencil to paper, I'm not stupid enough to think that I do not need their financial support of the book to try and alienate them from buying it either.
I equate that with the stupidity of sexist. Why would a person who doesn't like or believe in the gay lifestyle not want to take money from a gay person who comes in their store? You can take somebody's money, to your own benefit, even if you don't like them or agree with their life choices. the. That'd be like me only selling things to Moderate Democrats. I can except the over the top furry buying my book without having to agree with their view points or how they live their lives.
Now if I misunderstood what you were trying to say, I'd ask for a little clarity on your position on that one.
I would also like to ask just what about it you feel makes it 'furry' rather than anthropomorphic and I hope it isn't out of bounds if I ask just how many or what issues have you read to make that opinion. I'd like to think its a fair question to such an open ended comment.
Though, bottom line, if you don't like it, well, you just don't. It's not for you, but then I'm not doing what I do for you or anybody else other than my own amusement. If you have any idea how long it actually takes to complete one of these things, taking the time worrying if I'm "getting it just right for the fans" is the last thing I want to waste time doing.
Besides, hey, use that creativity and create your ideal anthro comic. Only thing stopping you is time and opportunity. |
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I wish I had your integrity there. With your writing I mean, I enjoyed writing a lot but my lack of skill got me flamed more than anything and sucked the enjoyability right out of it. I never wrote to show off skill, I did it because I wanted to put my ideas down and share them with people. No sense in doing that if you can expect nothing more than getting told how bad you are. I never had that problem when I build cars.
You bring a lot of good points up. I think you're right on about how no one is trying to keep characters from being lusted over publically. Privately nothing can be done but there is a lot of public lusting in the fandom, as well about characters in the book. I have seen some... disturbing things.
My problem with Extinctioners is that is A)yet another superhero rag and B)that it is furry.
Yes, furry. Not anthropomorphic. Maybe unavoidable given that being a superhero thing makes it already hokey and thus beyond being serious anthropomorphics, but the characters are just slightly the other side of Hardiman's Caterwaul but with neat-o powers and less sex.
But worst, is that there's with all things of note in furry, too many fan-bois(what is it with that frigging spelling insistance around here lately?) and too little resistance at the helm to it.
Again, we see it in Trek. No one at that franchise seems to go out of their way beyond Shatner to say, "get a life". So if SH isn't discouraging furrydumb from wrapping itself around Extinctioners, nothing new. Rarely does anyone turn away anyone from one's product as long as they pay something no matter how unsightly.
Maybe that's an advantage of writing as opposed to drawing. I can say "FUCK OFF" to anyone who wants me to turn my writing into something other than I intend it to be and since I'm not selling it and thus not relying on any of it for income, I am totally free to disassociate what I do from those reading it.
If I did have to do anything with super powers it certainly would NOT be ala Marvel/DC/whoeveritisthisweek but vastly different. I did work up a movie treatment aimed specifically at straight to video for such a concept but it's something I'm sitting on unless the right people bite.
Meanwhile, I read all this with amusement however detached and leave you with this. I see bunnies, chipmunks, and squirrels all day in the wooded areas around the homes of my custmers. After a while, it makes you yawn. But thanks for the effort though.
And no, there's not an anti-gay current here that I can see. A bunch of CYDers are gay or bi and merely having fun with the overwhelming gayness injected into furry constantly never mind referring to the AOLer chatkiddie tendency to label everything gay or call people a fag or whatnot. Not like it has serious meaning.
Have we beaten the whole thing into the ground? Good. Now let's backfill and put up the headstone. |
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But worst, is that there's with all things of note in furry, too many fan-bois(what is it with that frigging spelling insistance around here lately?) and too little resistance at the helm to it.
Fanboy = fanboy
Fanboi = Queer Eye for the Jedi |
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At the very least, there are four things we can be thankful Extinctioners is not:
A) It's not a Spawn ripoff. (Yeah, I said it before, but it bears saying again, because if there's even been a flavor of the month the comic geeks have feasted on the past few years, it's the whole Spawn thing.)
B) It's not dark and angsty fuzzy vampires.
C) It's not fuzzy Dragonball Z.
D) It's not one of the myriad of T3H FUZZI3 FURRI3Z IN STARFL33T OUTFITS.
Hmm... make it five things....
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At the very least, there are four things we can be thankful Extinctioners is not:
A) It's not a Spawn ripoff. (Yeah, I said it before, but it bears saying again, because if there's even been a flavor of the month the comic geeks have feasted on the past few years, it's the whole Spawn thing.)
B) It's not dark and angsty fuzzy vampires.
C) It's not fuzzy Dragonball Z.
D) It's not one of the myriad of T3H FUZZI3 FURRI3Z IN STARFL33T OUTFITS.
Hmm... make it five things....
It's not Associated Student Bodies.
It is definitely not ASB. PLease, don't get me started on ASB.
If it's gotta be gay and gotta be furry, then make it Circles at least. Actual story telling without the need of sex. ASB, crazy situations that lead to sex while wanting the reader to take the issues of gay rights seriously. Missed opportunity to do something special with that title beyond it being a wank rag (which was actually quoted to me as what it was supposed to be). |
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ASB, crazy situations that lead to sex while wanting the reader to take the issues of gay rights seriously. Missed opportunity to do something special with that title beyond it being a wank rag (which was actually quoted to me as what it was supposed to be).
Was this a quote by the guy who makes it, or just by, well, someone else? Would be an admirable moment of honesty if ASB's creator 'fessed up to the purposes of his work. |
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Ebonyleopard
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ASB, crazy situations that lead to sex while wanting the reader to take the issues of gay rights seriously. Missed opportunity to do something special with that title beyond it being a wank rag (which was actually quoted to me as what it was supposed to be).
Was this a quote by the guy who makes it, or just by, well, someone else? Would be an admirable moment of honesty if ASB's creator 'fessed up to the purposes of his work.
Honestly now, I can not say that I totally remember so I won't say as to not be miss quoted, but I do believe I was made to understand that the point of ASB, More or less, was to have a gay oriented magazine on par to a Genus, that fairly, has over the top situation hetero stories.
My main disappointment with the serious (since at a con for the heck of it I bought all the issues at one time rather than individually) was how fast the main character shifted from issue one to the sexually curious/confused guy to an out and out slut by the end of issue 2. The the over preachy issue with the priest giving a thumbs up were some of the story turnoffs because, on one hand the story seems really goofy, yet on the other hand you want the reader to take the issues seriously.
The art was ok, but the story really was a let down, from a stand point of wanting to let anyone that isn't gay understand what it's like to be gay in college, which is what the premise of the story was made out to be anyway.
The whole Lion King thing was look overable. THe main artist seemed, to me anyway, to have a problem making Danny the lion look consistantly like a lion, but the Terrie Smith art fit well and actually improved the overall look of the character designs.
See, critism with positive and negative aspects.
I do know though If I knew how it would end or had I thumbed through the issues prior to buying them all, I probably wouldn't have bought them all. |
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I do know though If I knew how it would end or had I thumbed through the issues prior to buying them all, I probably wouldn't have bought them all.
You bought it sight unseen? How much did that cost you, and... why would you bi the whole run? |
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Ebonyleopard
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I do know though If I knew how it would end or had I thumbed through the issues prior to buying them all, I probably wouldn't have bought them all.
You bought it sight unseen? How much did that cost you, and... why would you bi the whole run?
I'm a comic collector and I don't like not having the full set of something. Which of course means while I have a lot of good series, I have some not so good ones too. I know I know ,but, it's a hobby.
And I like collecting furry comics just to compair and contrast on various styles and story telling.. Big collection of mainstream and independents. |
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Rankin
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I do know though If I knew how it would end or had I thumbed through the issues prior to buying them all, I probably wouldn't have bought them all.
You bought it sight unseen? How much did that cost you, and... why would you bi the whole run?
I, as well, ended up buying the set sight unseen due to "rave reviews", from Mailbox Boo-oops, Rabbit Valley in 2001.
It cost me $27 for the complete set, if memory serves. I glanced through it, gave it a 'meh', and sold it for $150 last year. |
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Ebonyleopard
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I do know though If I knew how it would end or had I thumbed through the issues prior to buying them all, I probably wouldn't have bought them all.
You bought it sight unseen? How much did that cost you, and... why would you bi the whole run?
I, as well, ended up buying the set sight unseen due to "rave reviews", from Mailbox Boo-oops, Rabbit Valley in 2001.
It cost me $27 for the complete set, if memory serves. I glanced through it, gave it a 'meh', and sold it for $150 last year.
Nice haul.
You know what, I never did comment, but on one of the eariler post, I'd just like to point out too, that my Charcater Scarlet Starfox, the name Starfox pre-dated the SNES game Starfox. I made her back in 1990. |
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Rankin
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Scarlet Starfox, the name Starfox pre-dated the SNES game Starfox. I made her back in 1990.
Damn it, now I'm thinking of an untold Gonterman fanfic. :cry: |
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I made her back in 1990.
I made it with her unborn fetus back in late '89.
Beat that. |
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Damn it, now I'm thinking of an untold Gonterman fanfic. :cry:
Wow, I thought I'd been exposed to all the weirdness furries could come up with by now...but this is new to me:
a living vixen fursuit (The fur color here is considered cannon; think of a fox version of Sally Acorn) who will fuse with Jim's body and form a symbiotic relationship with him. She is still a very feminine personality and a busty figure who works as a Private Investigator. And she has a limited telekinetic ability that allows him to move small objects as well as to allow her some Wire Fu like moves.
A living fursuit. Right. What does she do when this Jim's not wearing her? Lie folded up in a cardboard box, bored like heck?
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a living vixen fursuit (The fur color here is considered cannon; think of a fox version of Sally Acorn) who will fuse with Jim's body and form a symbiotic relationship with him. She is still a very feminine personality and a busty figure who works as a Private Investigator. And she has a limited telekinetic ability that allows him to move small objects as well as to allow her some Wire Fu like moves.
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How does a living fursuit have a busty figure? I would think it'd either have the figure of the person wearing it, or a figure resembling a pile of laundry. Nice dish towels, baby.
I'd have to guess this whole "living fursuit" thing is either a furry ripoff of Spider-Man's Secret Wars costume (the black one that is now part of Venom).... or just freaking scary.... like, Leatherface scary. |
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there are some content in this site that may include more mature material that may be unsuitable for younger, more impressionable, or lawsuit-happy, individuals
Let's not end the lollercoaster now! :) |
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If you haven't been exposed to Gonterman yet, children, RUN, RUN!
Still, if you wish to dive deeper into this cave of inteptitude and idiocy... start here. It has a few writs of folks qwho have dealt with him, some of his 'long lost' comics, and well, it's basically a CYD: Daveykins Malibu - without the benefit of forums. |
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That's... just... awful. No other words can really describe Gonterman. Besides, you know, "OH GOD MY EYES PASS THE BLEACH FOR GODS SAKE!" |
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Read this, then tell yourself "David Gonterman is thirty-four years old". Now, try to wrap your head around this truth.
The sad thing is, his new sketches on his front page look exactly as those buried sketches from 1994, 1995... and they, in turn looked like his elder sketches...
That's right peanut.
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Wait, he made the principle character of one of his comics gay... because he likes Queer Eye?
Jesus fucking Christ on a pepper-picking pogo stick. |
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Wait, he made the principle character of one of his comics gay... because he likes Queer Eye?
Jesus fucking Christ on a pepper-picking pogo stick.
You're missing the point, and the backstory. There was a previous Scarlette story before this one. I saw it MiST'd somewhere, and god, even MiST'd, it was horrible. Of course, then, the main character was a cartoonist. It was him. Davey-kins himself crawling into a live fursuit and having rather odd never-quite-sex with it, et al.
He's figured out that everyone knows his lead is always himself. In every story he makes, it's him. So, he's decided to make the guy gay so he doesn't have to draw any sexual situations, and more than likely try to disguise that it is himself; or even funnier, trying to say that perhaps he enjoys males.
Either way, the psychosis of Gonterman entralled me in Q1 of '01 (that's not my page. I just happened to have good timing). I've just recently fallen back with a wider perspective - I mean, I've gone from zero, to hero, back to zero... and Dave is always the same.
It's comforting in a rather sadistic self actuating way.
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Dave Gonterman? The same guy who is notorious for self-insertion fanfics and for the term "Pulling a Gonterman"?
If so, I got alot of bad memories returning... Thanks for re-aggrivating my PTSD over his brain-scorching tripe. |
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Wait, he made the principle character of one of his comics gay... because he likes Queer Eye?
Not surprising once you know Gonterman. He started out writing weird cross-over fanfics and he's been there ever since. Everything he does is ripped from pop culture - Sailor Moon, Nimh, Sonic, Power Rangers, WWF, etc. - and twisted weirdly. His "plots" are completely off the wall, yet he still doesn't have enough creativity to actually invent his own characters.
I remember, back when he was doing Nightstalkers or something, that he was trying to wean himself off of his fan ficcy ways - of course, all the characters were named after "Survivor" contestants...
Anyone out there ever read "Rescue Rangers of Nimh?" That's a sight to behold. Remember, DAVEYKINS 3:16!!!!! |
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posting to say david gonterman is awesome
"Jim Zooting up"
It took me all of two seconds to circumvent his 'no right click' applet. Anyhow.. the more I look at his lack of detail, ability to refine things beyond a stubby pencil... I am reminded, and wonder "Is he a retarded Michelle Light... without the ability to draw perspective?" |
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Gonterman. I've heard of him, seen a smattering of his works here and there linked from POE, but never stomached a whole 'comic' of his stuff before.
Not until the lol inducing 'Guy with a .44 in feudal Japan' debacle, which frankly embrasses me just by reading it. I'm currently washing away the odd sense of ???? with the smooth soul sounds of Barry White and thoughts of, well, anything else.
Just as a note, the 'guy in a living female fursuit' story is creepy in a Silence of the Lambs, 'furry Buffalo Bill' sort of way. Just thought I'd point that out, because god damn. If he didn't seem so harmless and incompetent, I think I'd be truly disturbed here. |
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<...> Just as a note, the 'guy in a living female fursuit' story is creepy in a Silence of the Lambs, 'furry Buffalo Bill' sort of way. Just thought I'd point that out, because god damn. If he didn't seem so harmless and incompetent, I think I'd be truly disturbed here. YOU DON'T KNOW PAIN.
You pretty much said how I feel about him right there. I visited Rankin's link and.. jesus. I.. Do not know what to say. It's like comedy with a silent, underlying horror that will keep me up tonight. |
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Priceless utterly priceless
I just love the comment:
well, my middle finger attacked to my hand is there for a purpose, isn't it?
As for someone wanting him to do what he likes for a living? only if they're blind deaf and stupid. :lol: |
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Priceless utterly priceless
My favourite bit is this one:
I invite you to read these comics and stories and hope to inspire you as much as a certain great late animator did. After all, my philosophy is to take Disney Magic and give it a Fox-like Attitude.
David Gonterman, the new Walt Disney. :roll: |
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AIIEEEEE!...Nurse!NURSE!...give me my Ladnum tintchure!those Things,THERE BACK AGAIN!..Make it stop!MAKE IT STOP!!AUUUUGH!(cough,sputter,thud.) |
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ZenZhu
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Oh for the love of darkness! (Yes, that was intentional. :D) He's almost in the same damn city as me! He's across the river in East St. Louis, to be exact. At least there's a body of water separating us.
I love his introduction page graphic. What is that in his mug... sterno vichyssoise, or a steaming cup of white phosphorus?
My legal name is David Gonterman, a BA graduate from SIUE who got good and stoned one day over what I'm allowed to do with my life and decided that it would be a good idea to showcase my talents on the internet with the hopes that I'd get noticed by someone who would want me to do what I like for a living.
I am assuming that drawing is not included under this list of "talents." This statement also embodies the mindset of so many of your average VCL artists now... that the ability to draw a semi-coherent figure alone is reason enough to be deserving of a career in the art field - nevermind all of the practice your accomplished artists require before being discovered.
Whatever of not I'm successful depends on what day it is and who you ask, but I've gotten well known whatever or not for the right reasons or not.
For learning fun, diagram that sentence.
I invite you to read these comics and stories and hope to inspire you as much as a certain great late animator did. After all, my philosophy is to take Disney Magic and give it a Fox-like Attitude.
The ironic thing is, in his current state, Walt can still draw circles around this guy. And what the heck is a fox-like attitude, anyway? Does he mean he wants to take Disney magic and make it steal chickens and smell like that kind of funky sweet-peas-and-urine stench foxes have?
However, to go with the redesign, I may be restarting some of the stories all the way from the beginning, mostly to go up against the writer's block I've got thanks to many things including the outdated web site design.
Wait.. wait.. wait.. how does the design of a webspace affect one's writing muse? Wayd, do you ever experience writer's block when Google is down?
If however, you are the kind of troll who look at me the way a Palestinian sees an Israeli, well, my middle finger attacked to my hand is there for a purpose, isn't it?
YES, IT ATTACKED YOUR HAND TO KEEP THE REST OF IT FROM DRAWING ANYTHING ELSE! Your hand is like The Terminator, art is like Sarah Connor, and your middle finger is like Kyle Reese.
For all the others, why don't you watch me take this 'One little spark of Imagination,' and make it go Nova.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the updated version of "making a mountain out of a molehill," given a fox-like attitude for the 21st century. Now, watch as he makes the blood vessels in our brain go nova.
And why is nova capitalized? Does he mean he's taking his infintesimal "spark of imagination" and turning it into a dry PBS show?
Poking around, we find more fun on his "Current Works" pages.
Four Mystical Fox Spirits--Kitsunes--are spirited into the 21st century and in the middle of a clash for power and political might. Set in a world totaly alien to them, they encounter obstacles both from their home realm and from this strange realm they were taken to, the four foxes try to keep one step ahead of anyone who stands in their way, both natural and supernatural.
Wolf's Rain repackaged, anyone?
A tribute to the Movie "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" and tells of an explaination on why she jumped at the end of the movie. If you didn't see the movie, that's all the spoiling you're going to get from the owner of this site!
This is a description of some filk called Dragon Girl. The boy just can't leave anything as it is, can he? The lyrics he devised are stroke-inducing. I suppose we can at least be lucky he didn't make it so that the chick poofed through the mist and ended up in an alternate realty where neither she nor Sally Acorn died.
Stepping over to his "Back Burner" area....
Walt Disney said that all that he made on this world all started with a mouse. I pride myself with saying that I'm no diffrent than him in this manner.
Yes, he is no different in that manner. The difference occurs when you notice that Walt built a multimillion dollar empire on that mouse, whereas Davey-kins built a kind of lean-to consisting of branches, mud, and feces.
The backstory takes enough divergance from the movie to provide for a story original enough to have it's own story, which will be avilable later
Presumably in a forestory backstory that will move the story along to the present storyline which takes place in a five-story storybook in Storyville for the sake of setting up the flashback story which will provide it's own story's backstory so that it will build up to a future story... which will be available later.
One day, Johnny and his girlfriend, Susan Traveller came to Las Vegas to pick up some new tricks when they fell into an accident with one of the many magicians there; an illusion where something put in a box would grow and shrink as the box was made larger and smaller. Only this time, it worked for real and both Johnny and Susan came out standing 2 feet five inches on their hind legs! Both mice wondered what to do until they ran into first Adam Packbell, and then Roy E. Disney!
Not satisfied with degrading other people's characters in his works, he now must steal other people.
It is Roy's Revolution that I brought my little fella back into the sunlight once again, to provide the public an alternative to what passes as creativity from corporation-sponsored Magic. The general public needs to be heard by the Chairboard at Disney, and if they won't listen, I certainly will. And I'm sure that others will do the same thing as me.
Hmm.. if you take his page to support this argument, it still comes out looking like corporation-sponsored magic >> Davey-kins magic. In fact, when you think about the idea that almost all of his work is a fannish offshoot of something in movies or on TV, like NIMH, Yu-Gi-Oh, Sailor Moon, or Magic: The Gathering... his own creations are nothing more than the by-products of said corporate-sponsored magic. By using "corporation-sponsored Magic" as an insulting term, he's actually insulting the very thing that his own creations depend on for their life's blood.
What life destines to dish out to the pair is nothing more than 'Sailor Moon meets Gundam Wing”!!
At least he's come to terms with his Ben Dunn-esque inability to create anything that hasn't already been created before. The only thing Dunn has on this guy is being the most aptly-named man in comics.. as in Ben Dunn before.. Ben Dunn to death..
An evil force has descended to their unsuspecting city, followed by an equalizing force for good, a force of good represented by an actual goddess who took both Richard and Shazell in as their agents, giving them special magicks for her and a high-octane powersuit for him, transforming the otherwise crippled Texan into a walking—and in some cases flying—can of whoop-ass.
ON A MONKEY-DRIVEN ROCKET CAR ACROSS THE SALT FLATS OF SPRINGFIELD!!
Note to actual Wiccans: While Shazell has that one concession of that robe and pointy hat, everything else about her, especially her practices, are rooted in a through study in the pagan religions, which the author routinely researches in. How this research is retained during the transfer to the drawn page can be debatable, but I hope that the presentation is somewhat better than other television shows on Wicca. Online Notes on this research will be made available at a later date.
And are likely to include references to reruns of Bewitched.
You too can own a piece of Gonterman magic! Send your $$$ and get a pic of his HAWT BABES for your desktop!
Wow.. just..... wow......
I assume there's some point or story behind this.. but damned if I can find the cheese in this labyrinth of thought processes. What's really fun to note is if you click on the pics, and try to right click them you get this business about the image being protected. But at the bottom of the page, THERE'S AN ICON TO DOWNLOAD THE PICTURE. That's rather like putting iron bars on a jail cell window, and a screen door on the entrance. On top of which, newer versions of IE have that nifty little floating toolbar that lets you save, print, or whatever without ever right-clicking.
As you can see, across the street from the coffee shop is Landing's Metrolink Station, and Adam's place is one of the first things you'd see when you hop off the high-speed light rail train. The Pub and Grill and whatever is across the other street from BakaBreakers have yet to be involved in the story.
I'd like to point out Metrolink, while the name is probably in use in other cities, is St. Louis' version of a subway. The main thing separating it from subway systems in other locales like New York or D.C. is that it hardly goes anywhere useful and doesn't cover enough of the city to actually promote its use over your own vehicle. It's only real value is allowing you to park your car somewhere away from the Cardinal's baseball stadium and take a ride, so that when you leave, you can take a ride back and avoid the downtown traffic jam. Think of the Metrolink in this way... imagine having a 5-bedroom, 3 bathroom, two-story home with a 2-car garage. Now, imagine this house's only access between rooms leads between the garage and the kitchen, leaving the rest of the house walled off. That's pretty much the Metrolink concept. It's really a pity. I loved the subway system in D.C. and the train system around Frankfurt, Germany. If I could use Metrolink to get around to work and back, I definitely would.
I'm assuming this "high-speed light rail" version of Metrolink is something Davey-kins fantasized and used the St. Louis' mass-transit system's name, rather than his colorful alterations to the real world, as the St. Louis Metrolink is really about a half-step up from a cable-car.
There's an interesting writeup on one of Davey-kins' many I-luv-this-guy's-works brain farts. As I looked through it, it dawned on me that it takes a certain brilliance to mentally compartmentalize information from so many fictional works of others and not only weave one's own fiction into one of those universes, but to weave one's fiction across several of those universes. It takes a kind of genius to devise something like Final Kingdom Fantasy Hearts - The Redwallian Secret of Card Captor Moon's: The Gathering of NIMH - Team Sonic Heroes' All Purpouse Cultural Yu-Gi-Oh Nuku Nuku. Either that, or a special kind of psychosis combined with Rain Man-like focus. I'm not sure which is present here.. there's such a fine line between the two. It's kind of the Calvinball of fan fiction.
Can someone make sense of this? Did she draw the arrow through her skirt, or did someone not inform her that you're suppose to pull the arrow back with the bowstring? And why is this either a compound bow with only one set of pulleys or a standard bow with two strings?
Finally, the Sonic influence on his.... style... is evident. But, I think I have unmasked the REAL character that models for his eyes.
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For all the others, why don't you watch me take this 'One little spark of Imagination,' and make it go Nova.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the updated version of "making a mountain out of a molehill," given a fox-like attitude for the 21st century. Now, watch as he makes the blood vessels in our brain go nova.
And why is nova capitalized? Does he mean he's taking his infintesimal "spark of imagination" and turning it into a dry PBS show?
Yay Nova! |
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Big Evil Ogre
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OHboyohboyohboy.... NOVA! *Hey, I got to sound off when I see a nice car or a car I can make nice... they're the only thing I was ever really any good at.* You boys may now continue with your discussion.
This random rant has been brought to you by Trazadone. Can't sleep? USE TRAZADONE. We now bring you back to your regularly scheduled programming.
For all the others, why don't you watch me take this 'One little spark of Imagination,' and make it go Nova.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the updated version of "making a mountain out of a molehill," given a fox-like attitude for the 21st century. Now, watch as he makes the blood vessels in our brain go nova.
And why is nova capitalized? Does he mean he's taking his infintesimal "spark of imagination" and turning it into a dry PBS show?
Yay Nova!
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Anonymous
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ZenZhu, very analytical and accurate breakdown of the mental giant Gonterman. Entertaining read as well, next week: Trying to figure out what the hell this shit is... |
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ZenZhu
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Looks like someone got a new box of crayons. |
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MagKnightX
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Right. Excuse me while I go claw at my eyes... |
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At least it's not a "mashed donut" vagina... it's...worse. =)
http://www.furnation.com/Llewelyn/Art/LlewJes.jpg |
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You are all evil.
And you'd be even more evil if it wasn't because my scanner is slowly dying. |
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Rankin
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You are all evil.
I like pleasure mixed with pain - CYD is my aeroplane... |
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ZenZhu
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next week: Trying to figure out what the hell this shit is...
Remember, kids, while crayons and cheapass colored pencils may be the medium of choice in kindergarten (64 colors.. must.. use.... every.. one... on.... page....), at some point you must start using them judiciously in the art process. Crayons are fine if you are producing abstract art, or going for that crayoney look. But, printing out a Terrie Smith B&W picture, whippping out your Crayolas, then scanning it and uploading it isn't going to win you accolades from any artists with any real skill. And if you're going to go with colored pencils, fer chrissake, buy a few less vials of crak and splurge on some Prismacolors or something. And remember, kids.... light touch... light touch... build your colors up. You don't have to mash the pencil to the page in your clammy fist to get every last bit of pigment possible on the page with the first stroke.
And would it kill you to find a smooth surface, or at least put a few sheets of paper under your work? I know that old desk you rescued from someone's curbside was a great find, but that rough wood that's been painted over about 50 times is going to put textures in your pigments.
That's something that always befuddled me with the comic Jack for, like, the two days I read through it. Here's a guy trying to do a serious, "deep" comic. Yet, when it'd be in color, it looked like it was colored with crayons. Of course, Hopkins' style looks like the entire world of Jack is made out of crumpled grocery bags, but at least a little semi-decent digital coloring would polish it up a touch, rather than coloring that's a half-step away from creating images by gluing elbow macaroni on cardboard. |
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Aw gad. Llewelyn. I knew that guy when I trolled Furcadia a year ago. Him and Jeska were disgusting, and the Zyala he mentions on his little page was even worse. Of course, I didn't last long among their company since I was an obvious troll, and made known my disgust of them.
That was when I realized that Furcadia was boring: the people that played that game were quick to call anyone who offered a mild insult a 'twink' dedicated to BRINGIN' DOWN THE HOUSE AND STARTIN' A REVOLUTION. This caused them to bring in moderators and shit like that IMMEDIATELY, so I never had much fun baiting these idiots. :( |
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ZenZhu
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That was when I realized that Furcadia was boring: the people that played that game were quick to call anyone who offered a mild insult a 'twink' dedicated to BRINGIN' DOWN THE HOUSE AND STARTIN' A REVOLUTION. This caused them to bring in moderators and shit like that IMMEDIATELY, so I never had much fun baiting these idiots. :(
I tinkered with FC a little a few years back. I honestly don't know where the RP these people talk about goes on. All I saw was different rooms with people talking about games, which OS pwns which, and "zOMG, JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE 1S S000 HAWT!" Half the time I couldn't walk anyplace, anyway, because people log in and then just stand there causing these traffic jams around "dream" entrances and crap. The designers should know the idiot-to-user ratio is so close in furry RP zones that making characters impassable sprites is just asking for big fuzzy clusterfucks. |
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You are all evil.
:twisted: Gooble-Gobble! Gooble-Gobble! One of US! One of US! :twisted: |
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Kadius
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You are all evil.
Kuwabara kuwabara... kuwabara kuwabara. |
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Anonymous
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But more to the point, check out this guy's history; He's a real winner. |
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Kadius
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But more to the point, check out this guy's history; He's a real winner. HE'S NOT AN ASSASSIN AND NO DUAL KATANAS?! Not a vampire either! What a pathetic excuse for a character. |
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You are all evil..
Yep, been called that, dress in black (ask Ogre). When someone calls me evil I reply "I had good teachers."
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You are all evil..
Yep, been called that, dress in black (ask Ogre). When someone calls me evil I reply "I had good teachers."
The Outsider
And that of course means you're cool, what a badass. |
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Rankin
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It fucking BUUUUURRRNNNS!!! |
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Hmm, has he not ever been told he sucks, or perhaps been told it too many times? Either way, GOD IT BURRRRNNNSS |
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Anime
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Did he take the whole thing?
= Gonterman? |
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Rankin, that was... quite DA. Bet you give someone like that advice they'd howl that you're being critical and give you dramaz for weeks. >_<
Kadius, you know something? Did you know you rock hard! |
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Looking through Gonterman's comics, one of the things that really amazes me is how someone that is obviously a fan of anime still only exhibits a superficial knowledge of some of the conventions used in anime. I'm talking about stuff like the big, starry, watery eyes for a character that's either supremely amazed or deeply touched; flashing the "peace and love" hand sign (what is the hippy peace gesture in the U.S.); little words around the character (i.e. "Yatta!"); and visual manifestations of a characters "inner self" (i.e., "Inner Sakura" in Naruto). Another one you see a lot in manga, but not copied so much by kids trying to draw anime in the U.S. is the dramatic poses and overly corny, sappy dialogue when a character is professing deep emotions of affection... having at least one foot in the days when kabuki was seen as very low-class entertainment and known for gross, Shatner-esque overacting.
Pretty much anyone that has any familiarity with manga and draws at any skill level has attempted these little conventions at one point or another. Most folks who are fans of manga/anime will, at some point, pick up some of the nuances of using these things, as well as at least an idea of their cultural significance. At that point, even if they use those conventions in their work rather clumsily, you still get the sense that they at least have some idea that they have a vague grasp on why manga artists do those things they do.
Some artists, however, like Gonterman, continue to exhibit a total lack of any clue about the manga tricks they are attempting to use. I dunno why. Maybe he's not really a fan of anime so much as a follower of Sailor Moon and DBZ. Maybe he's never seen an episode of Excel Saga, Ai Yori Aoshi, The Twelve Kingdoms, Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, or anything else that hasn't been on either WB or Toonami. I dunno. But, when I look at the little manga gags worked into his comics, there's just something there that says "This guys has drawn a character making the little "V" sign 200 times, and still has no clue about it other than Chun Li flashes it when you beat a level."
Think of genuine manga, with all it's little tricks and cultural ties like a Rolex watch. A U.S.-created attempt at manga is kind of like a servicable knockoff Rolex. Gonterman's stuff is kind of like a hospital wristband with some numbers and "Rolex" written on it in Sharpie marker.
Moving on to this Llewelyn fellow's history....
I was born with a brother and sister in an elven village, where my parents were staing as ambassadors for our village. We got sick shortly after, but only I survived.
There are two rules when visiting abroad in elven territories: 1) Don't drink the water and 2) Don't eat anything that doesn't appear to be fully cooked. Movies only show you the upscale areas of elven villages. They don't show the slums with the ditches carrying sewage through their backyards and stuff. Now the damn elves are crossing the border and taking all of our jobs and running amok in the streets with their gang-banging.
When I turned twelve, I was sent home to learn our ways.
Before then, he was still ripe enough to be enjoyed by those mincing elves. After he turned 12, he was considered to old to be dateworthy.
I learned swordplay from my father, as well as the ways of the forest..
From his father's ghost, apparently, since he was the only one that survived the whole rancid elven food episode.
When I turned 16, I went out on my Rite of Passage. After I got back 6 months later, the village was deserted. Dead bodies littered the ground, locked in combat with dead raptors. I found a single pegasus feather near a area where heavy fighting had taken place.
The single pegasus feather proving to be something someone had brought home for their arts and crafts, presumably to adorn a red herring, since the feather turns out to have no significance whatsoever.
I gathered my few possesions, including my twin enchanted broadswords that I had recieved from the elven village's Eldest, and left to find my own way in the world.
I HAVE THE POWERRRRRR! What was that you were saying about no dual katanas, Kadius?
Along this journey, I made a stop over in a small town named Layleaux.
What better place to lay low after the genocide of your people.................. goddamit, it's a pun people..... the French pronunci-.... aw fukkit....
While there, I met and fell in love with a beautiful black-furred sable named Branwyn. We became mated, and had a kit on the way(thanks to a little assistance from a friend who knows potions).
"Pardon me, good foxsir. I couldn't help but overhear you are having problems with mating. I happen to know potions. Have you ever heard of Ye Olde Viagra?"
Then I discovered that she was using me the entire time. When I questioned her about a lie she told to me, she fled, in the advanced stages of pregnancy. I don't know what happenned to her, but I was not able to find her. I was alone once more.
A lie which, of course, is never reavealed, as it apparently has no crucial bearing on his story.
I returned to wandering, and ended up in another small village in the middle of a forest, which was in the process of being settled. I stayed there for a while and helped them get settled in, defending against bandits, showing them what was good to eat and what wasn't, and things of that nature.
"Okay... gather 'round... gather 'round, people. Can you hear me at the back? Good. Okay... today, folks, I'm going to talk about what's good to eat. Get out your quills and scrolls, because this first thing is very important. Do not fucking drink the water in elven villages."
As we travelled together, we found out more about each other, and gradually our friendship turned to love... but a different kind of love than I had known with Branwyn... one higher, truer to myself, and to her. Eventually, I finally, a little awkwardly and uncertainly, revealed my feelings to her, and she let me know that she felt the same. We were living in the Terradrome, became mates on July 8th, '01.
But alas, we eventually came to the realization that however close, we just weren't right for each other, and parted on friendly terms, 6 months later.
If his higher, truer-to-himself kind of love proved to be just not right, imagine what a travesty his relationship with that Branwyn skank was like.
Since then I have returned to wandering, although I have been contemplating my role, and if I should stay a Ranger, or follow the calling of magic.
Dude, the answer is obvious... have it all. Become a roaming ranger wizard Super Saiyan.
After pondering these conepts and letting them stew in my subconcious for a couple months, I think that maybe the title of Bard may fit me better. I do know how to play a musical instrument, and enjoy singing along with other songs, in fact I prefer it to dancing. I tend not to be serious too often, and if I'm having people visit I usually try and make sure we have something to do. I have a great interest in stories, and also tend to listen to other people more than talk myself, somewhat often. Bards are also known for havign a touch of magic...
Ah, yes, this is just what any online fantasy RP environment needs.... ANOTHER FUCKING MAGICAL BARD THAT'S QUICK-WITTED, JOVIAL, AND TENDS NOT TO TAKE THINGS TOO SERIOUSLY. Actually, it's a bad line of work. According to the Furciadian Census Bureau's 2003 surveys, there were approximately 156,215.82 positions for the role of stereotypically jovial, magical, foppish bard. Between 2002 and 2003 alone, approximately 2.5 million nerds graduated from fantasy academy with degrees in jovial magical barding, leaving far too many out of work. Fortunately, most of those found jobs as godly warrior mages or necromancers.
Currently, I've returned to my land of origin, referred to as the land of Furcadia.
Isn't that kind of like saying, "I roamed around, living in Egypt and Nigeria for a while. But, I ultimately returned to my homeland of Africa."
Here I've found a wonderful faerie-kitty by the name of Jeska Rina, whom I loved very much and who felt the same about me.
All the women want him, and all the men want to be him........... or he'd just codependent and will shack up with anyone that shares a seat on the bus with him.
In April though we split to find our own paths.
Ammend that.. codependent with a tendency to sabotage relationships. Oh... this guy should be a character on Friends.
As I walk down this dark path to the unknown future ahead of me, I wonder where it will take me.
Dark path? I'm guessing it'll either lead to Mordor or wearing black trench coats and using mascara to draw the Eye of Ra around your peepers.. cuz... you know... three failed relationships... dark path.... T3H ANG5T!
More love? More heartbreak?
Given his track record, yes to both... in 6-month intervals.
I no longer have a clear view of where I am going, so I just hope I'll enjoy the ride, even if I end up having no one to share it with, and that I manage to leave some sort of legacy when I'm gone, otherwise what was the point?
And so, he will continue to wander.. on the lamb.. wanted for a murder he didn't commit. Always seeking a way to control the raging beast within.
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I wish I coulda gotten a critique from someone like you with my fiction, at least you're entertaining in how you say "You suck!", I got a few good chuckles outta that.
Looking through Gonterman's comics, one of the things that really amazes me is how someone that is obviously a fan of anime still only exhibits a superficial knowledge of some of the conventions used in anime. I'm talking about stuff like the big, starry, watery eyes for a character that's either supremely amazed or deeply touched; flashing the "peace and love" hand sign (what is the hippy peace gesture in the U.S.); little words around the character (i.e. "Yatta!"); and visual manifestations of a characters "inner self" (i.e., "Inner Sakura" in Naruto). Another one you see a lot in manga, but not copied so much by kids trying to draw anime in the U.S. is the dramatic poses and overly corny, sappy dialogue when a character is professing deep emotions of affection... having at least one foot in the days when kabuki was seen as very low-class entertainment and known for gross, Shatner-esque overacting.
Pretty much anyone that has any familiarity with manga and draws at any skill level has attempted these little conventions at one point or another. Most folks who are fans of manga/anime will, at some point, pick up some of the nuances of using these things, as well as at least an idea of their cultural significance. At that point, even if they use those conventions in their work rather clumsily, you still get the sense that they at least have some idea that they have a vague grasp on why manga artists do those things they do.
Some artists, however, like Gonterman, continue to exhibit a total lack of any clue about the manga tricks they are attempting to use. I dunno why. Maybe he's not really a fan of anime so much as a follower of Sailor Moon and DBZ. Maybe he's never seen an episode of Excel Saga, Ai Yori Aoshi, The Twelve Kingdoms, Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, or anything else that hasn't been on either WB or Toonami. I dunno. But, when I look at the little manga gags worked into his comics, there's just something there that says "This guys has drawn a character making the little "V" sign 200 times, and still has no clue about it other than Chun Li flashes it when you beat a level."
Think of genuine manga, with all it's little tricks and cultural ties like a Rolex watch. A U.S.-created attempt at manga is kind of like a servicable knockoff Rolex. Gonterman's stuff is kind of like a hospital wristband with some numbers and "Rolex" written on it in Sharpie marker.
Moving on to this Llewelyn fellow's history....
I was born with a brother and sister in an elven village, where my parents were staing as ambassadors for our village. We got sick shortly after, but only I survived.
There are two rules when visiting abroad in elven territories: 1) Don't drink the water and 2) Don't eat anything that doesn't appear to be fully cooked. Movies only show you the upscale areas of elven villages. They don't show the slums with the ditches carrying sewage through their backyards and stuff. Now the damn elves are crossing the border and taking all of our jobs and running amok in the streets with their gang-banging.
When I turned twelve, I was sent home to learn our ways.
Before then, he was still ripe enough to be enjoyed by those mincing elves. After he turned 12, he was considered to old to be dateworthy.
I learned swordplay from my father, as well as the ways of the forest..
From his father's ghost, apparently, since he was the only one that survived the whole rancid elven food episode.
When I turned 16, I went out on my Rite of Passage. After I got back 6 months later, the village was deserted. Dead bodies littered the ground, locked in combat with dead raptors. I found a single pegasus feather near a area where heavy fighting had taken place.
The single pegasus feather proving to be something someone had brought home for their arts and crafts, presumably to adorn a red herring, since the feather turns out to have no significance whatsoever.
I gathered my few possesions, including my twin enchanted broadswords that I had recieved from the elven village's Eldest, and left to find my own way in the world.
I HAVE THE POWERRRRRR! What was that you were saying about no dual katanas, Kadius?
Along this journey, I made a stop over in a small town named Layleaux.
What better place to lay low after the genocide of your people.................. goddamit, it's a pun people..... the French pronunci-.... aw fukkit....
While there, I met and fell in love with a beautiful black-furred sable named Branwyn. We became mated, and had a kit on the way(thanks to a little assistance from a friend who knows potions).
"Pardon me, good foxsir. I couldn't help but overhear you are having problems with mating. I happen to know potions. Have you ever heard of Ye Olde Viagra?"
Then I discovered that she was using me the entire time. When I questioned her about a lie she told to me, she fled, in the advanced stages of pregnancy. I don't know what happenned to her, but I was not able to find her. I was alone once more.
A lie which, of course, is never reavealed, as it apparently has no crucial bearing on his story.
I returned to wandering, and ended up in another small village in the middle of a forest, which was in the process of being settled. I stayed there for a while and helped them get settled in, defending against bandits, showing them what was good to eat and what wasn't, and things of that nature.
"Okay... gather 'round... gather 'round, people. Can you hear me at the back? Good. Okay... today, folks, I'm going to talk about what's good to eat. Get out your quills and scrolls, because this first thing is very important. Do not fucking drink the water in elven villages."
As we travelled together, we found out more about each other, and gradually our friendship turned to love... but a different kind of love than I had known with Branwyn... one higher, truer to myself, and to her. Eventually, I finally, a little awkwardly and uncertainly, revealed my feelings to her, and she let me know that she felt the same. We were living in the Terradrome, became mates on July 8th, '01.
But alas, we eventually came to the realization that however close, we just weren't right for each other, and parted on friendly terms, 6 months later.
If his higher, truer-to-himself kind of love proved to be just not right, imagine what a travesty his relationship with that Branwyn skank was like.
Since then I have returned to wandering, although I have been contemplating my role, and if I should stay a Ranger, or follow the calling of magic.
Dude, the answer is obvious... have it all. Become a roaming ranger wizard Super Saiyan.
After pondering these conepts and letting them stew in my subconcious for a couple months, I think that maybe the title of Bard may fit me better. I do know how to play a musical instrument, and enjoy singing along with other songs, in fact I prefer it to dancing. I tend not to be serious too often, and if I'm having people visit I usually try and make sure we have something to do. I have a great interest in stories, and also tend to listen to other people more than talk myself, somewhat often. Bards are also known for havign a touch of magic...
Ah, yes, this is just what any online fantasy RP environment needs.... ANOTHER FUCKING MAGICAL BARD THAT'S QUICK-WITTED, JOVIAL, AND TENDS NOT TO TAKE THINGS TOO SERIOUSLY. Actually, it's a bad line of work. According to the Furciadian Census Bureau's 2003 surveys, there were approximately 156,215.82 positions for the role of stereotypically jovial, magical, foppish bard. Between 2002 and 2003 alone, approximately 2.5 million nerds graduated from fantasy academy with degrees in jovial magical barding, leaving far too many out of work. Fortunately, most of those found jobs as godly warrior mages or necromancers.
Currently, I've returned to my land of origin, referred to as the land of Furcadia.
Isn't that kind of like saying, "I roamed around, living in Egypt and Nigeria for a while. But, I ultimately returned to my homeland of Africa."
Here I've found a wonderful faerie-kitty by the name of Jeska Rina, whom I loved very much and who felt the same about me.
All the women want him, and all the men want to be him........... or he'd just codependent and will shack up with anyone that shares a seat on the bus with him.
In April though we split to find our own paths.
Ammend that.. codependent with a tendency to sabotage relationships. Oh... this guy should be a character on Friends.
As I walk down this dark path to the unknown future ahead of me, I wonder where it will take me.
Dark path? I'm guessing it'll either lead to Mordor or wearing black trench coats and using mascara to draw the Eye of Ra around your peepers.. cuz... you know... three failed relationships... dark path.... T3H ANG5T!
More love? More heartbreak?
Given his track record, yes to both... in 6-month intervals.
I no longer have a clear view of where I am going, so I just hope I'll enjoy the ride, even if I end up having no one to share it with, and that I manage to leave some sort of legacy when I'm gone, otherwise what was the point?
And so, he will continue to wander.. on the lamb.. wanted for a murder he didn't commit. Always seeking a way to control the raging beast within.
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ZenZhu
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I wish I coulda gotten a critique from someone like you with my fiction, at least you're entertaining in how you say "You suck!", I got a few good chuckles outta that.
Heh... well, if it was a case where this fellow actually asked me for a critique, I'd have used a lot more constructive comments and a lot less sarcasm. |
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I wish I coulda gotten a critique from someone like you with my fiction, at least you're entertaining in how you say "You suck!", I got a few good chuckles outta that.
Looking through Gonterman's comics, one of the things that really amazes me is how someone that is obviously a fan of anime still only exhibits a superficial knowledge of some of the conventions used in anime. I'm talking about stuff like the big, starry, watery eyes for a character that's either supremely amazed or deeply touched; flashing the "peace and love" hand sign (what is the hippy peace gesture in the U.S.); little words around the character (i.e. "Yatta!"); and visual manifestations of a characters "inner self" (i.e., "Inner Sakura" in Naruto). Another one you see a lot in manga, but not copied so much by kids trying to draw anime in the U.S. is the dramatic poses and overly corny, sappy dialogue when a character is professing deep emotions of affection... having at least one foot in the days when kabuki was seen as very low-class entertainment and known for gross, Shatner-esque overacting.
Pretty much anyone that has any familiarity with manga and draws at any skill level has attempted these little conventions at one point or another. Most folks who are fans of manga/anime will, at some point, pick up some of the nuances of using these things, as well as at least an idea of their cultural significance. At that point, even if they use those conventions in their work rather clumsily, you still get the sense that they at least have some idea that they have a vague grasp on why manga artists do those things they do.
Some artists, however, like Gonterman, continue to exhibit a total lack of any clue about the manga tricks they are attempting to use. I dunno why. Maybe he's not really a fan of anime so much as a follower of Sailor Moon and DBZ. Maybe he's never seen an episode of Excel Saga, Ai Yori Aoshi, The Twelve Kingdoms, Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, or anything else that hasn't been on either WB or Toonami. I dunno. But, when I look at the little manga gags worked into his comics, there's just something there that says "This guys has drawn a character making the little "V" sign 200 times, and still has no clue about it other than Chun Li flashes it when you beat a level."
Think of genuine manga, with all it's little tricks and cultural ties like a Rolex watch. A U.S.-created attempt at manga is kind of like a servicable knockoff Rolex. Gonterman's stuff is kind of like a hospital wristband with some numbers and "Rolex" written on it in Sharpie marker.
Moving on to this Llewelyn fellow's history....
I was born with a brother and sister in an elven village, where my parents were staing as ambassadors for our village. We got sick shortly after, but only I survived.
There are two rules when visiting abroad in elven territories: 1) Don't drink the water and 2) Don't eat anything that doesn't appear to be fully cooked. Movies only show you the upscale areas of elven villages. They don't show the slums with the ditches carrying sewage through their backyards and stuff. Now the damn elves are crossing the border and taking all of our jobs and running amok in the streets with their gang-banging.
When I turned twelve, I was sent home to learn our ways.
Before then, he was still ripe enough to be enjoyed by those mincing elves. After he turned 12, he was considered to old to be dateworthy.
I learned swordplay from my father, as well as the ways of the forest..
From his father's ghost, apparently, since he was the only one that survived the whole rancid elven food episode.
When I turned 16, I went out on my Rite of Passage. After I got back 6 months later, the village was deserted. Dead bodies littered the ground, locked in combat with dead raptors. I found a single pegasus feather near a area where heavy fighting had taken place.
The single pegasus feather proving to be something someone had brought home for their arts and crafts, presumably to adorn a red herring, since the feather turns out to have no significance whatsoever.
I gathered my few possesions, including my twin enchanted broadswords that I had recieved from the elven village's Eldest, and left to find my own way in the world.
I HAVE THE POWERRRRRR! What was that you were saying about no dual katanas, Kadius?
Along this journey, I made a stop over in a small town named Layleaux.
What better place to lay low after the genocide of your people.................. goddamit, it's a pun people..... the French pronunci-.... aw fukkit....
While there, I met and fell in love with a beautiful black-furred sable named Branwyn. We became mated, and had a kit on the way(thanks to a little assistance from a friend who knows potions).
"Pardon me, good foxsir. I couldn't help but overhear you are having problems with mating. I happen to know potions. Have you ever heard of Ye Olde Viagra?"
Then I discovered that she was using me the entire time. When I questioned her about a lie she told to me, she fled, in the advanced stages of pregnancy. I don't know what happenned to her, but I was not able to find her. I was alone once more.
A lie which, of course, is never reavealed, as it apparently has no crucial bearing on his story.
I returned to wandering, and ended up in another small village in the middle of a forest, which was in the process of being settled. I stayed there for a while and helped them get settled in, defending against bandits, showing them what was good to eat and what wasn't, and things of that nature.
"Okay... gather 'round... gather 'round, people. Can you hear me at the back? Good. Okay... today, folks, I'm going to talk about what's good to eat. Get out your quills and scrolls, because this first thing is very important. Do not fucking drink the water in elven villages."
As we travelled together, we found out more about each other, and gradually our friendship turned to love... but a different kind of love than I had known with Branwyn... one higher, truer to myself, and to her. Eventually, I finally, a little awkwardly and uncertainly, revealed my feelings to her, and she let me know that she felt the same. We were living in the Terradrome, became mates on July 8th, '01.
But alas, we eventually came to the realization that however close, we just weren't right for each other, and parted on friendly terms, 6 months later.
If his higher, truer-to-himself kind of love proved to be just not right, imagine what a travesty his relationship with that Branwyn skank was like.
Since then I have returned to wandering, although I have been contemplating my role, and if I should stay a Ranger, or follow the calling of magic.
Dude, the answer is obvious... have it all. Become a roaming ranger wizard Super Saiyan.
After pondering these conepts and letting them stew in my subconcious for a couple months, I think that maybe the title of Bard may fit me better. I do know how to play a musical instrument, and enjoy singing along with other songs, in fact I prefer it to dancing. I tend not to be serious too often, and if I'm having people visit I usually try and make sure we have something to do. I have a great interest in stories, and also tend to listen to other people more than talk myself, somewhat often. Bards are also known for havign a touch of magic...
Ah, yes, this is just what any online fantasy RP environment needs.... ANOTHER FUCKING MAGICAL BARD THAT'S QUICK-WITTED, JOVIAL, AND TENDS NOT TO TAKE THINGS TOO SERIOUSLY. Actually, it's a bad line of work. According to the Furciadian Census Bureau's 2003 surveys, there were approximately 156,215.82 positions for the role of stereotypically jovial, magical, foppish bard. Between 2002 and 2003 alone, approximately 2.5 million nerds graduated from fantasy academy with degrees in jovial magical barding, leaving far too many out of work. Fortunately, most of those found jobs as godly warrior mages or necromancers.
Currently, I've returned to my land of origin, referred to as the land of Furcadia.
Isn't that kind of like saying, "I roamed around, living in Egypt and Nigeria for a while. But, I ultimately returned to my homeland of Africa."
Here I've found a wonderful faerie-kitty by the name of Jeska Rina, whom I loved very much and who felt the same about me.
All the women want him, and all the men want to be him........... or he'd just codependent and will shack up with anyone that shares a seat on the bus with him.
In April though we split to find our own paths.
Ammend that.. codependent with a tendency to sabotage relationships. Oh... this guy should be a character on Friends.
As I walk down this dark path to the unknown future ahead of me, I wonder where it will take me.
Dark path? I'm guessing it'll either lead to Mordor or wearing black trench coats and using mascara to draw the Eye of Ra around your peepers.. cuz... you know... three failed relationships... dark path.... T3H ANG5T!
More love? More heartbreak?
Given his track record, yes to both... in 6-month intervals.
I no longer have a clear view of where I am going, so I just hope I'll enjoy the ride, even if I end up having no one to share it with, and that I manage to leave some sort of legacy when I'm gone, otherwise what was the point?
And so, he will continue to wander.. on the lamb.. wanted for a murder he didn't commit. Always seeking a way to control the raging beast within.
AAAAAGHFUCKIGN T3h quotes! T3h quotes! |
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Dude......her face.......
Like an unrolled, crumpled piece of paper.....
I mean, really, when little kids keep drawing crap that bad, they at least learn proportions and anatomy, and get better. This guy's thirty-something, and this?! How.....?! He keeps drawing this crap, how can he not be getting ANY better?!
This is Gontermadness.....
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Dude......her face.......
Like an unrolled, crumpled piece of paper.....
I mean, really, when little kids keep drawing crap that bad, they at least learn proportions and anatomy, and get better. This guy's thirty-something, and this?! How.....?! He keeps drawing this crap, how can he not be getting ANY better?!
This is Gontermadness.....
....So much so it forced a pun out of me....
There are several artists who don't get better, though I've noticed a couple who seem to actually get worse before finally giving up thank god.
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that KAK has suddenly gotten a little better, I wonder where she's copying from... |
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MagKnightX
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I, like everybody else, used to draw crappily when I was a young lad, but I still did it constantly. This is not what helped me learn proportion. No, if anything, just continuing to draw in the same styles hurts because it reinforces bad habits.
What helped is that I actually learned to LOOK at things, and draw them as they were... as in... wait, that arm should go lower... *erase* *redraw* better, but the neck is still too long *erase* *redraw* etc. Through careful study of looking at things, I eventually put into my artistic memory that boobies (huh huh huh huh huh, he said boobies) ain't spheres mounted high on the chest, that the legs on any given person tend to be longer than the torso, where the arms come down to... etc. Still have problems with hands, but everybody does.
The thing is, with people like Gonterman, what happens is they don't look. They don't find out how the hairline is and how it grows out. They don't look at a revolver before trying to draw one. They don't look at eyes, so they make them squares or spheres. They shape breasts like it's just the ribcage tapering out and in again, because this is the way they think of it. You get the picture.
Of course, there can be good cartoons that are highly unrealistic in proportions and shapes. Look at the Simpsons and Futurama. The difference? It's clean, consistent, and it's easy to tell it's a stylization of a human, not a genuine but crap attempt at drawing one. |
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Of course, there can be good cartoons that are highly unrealistic in proportions and shapes. Look at the Simpsons and Futurama. The difference? It's clean, consistent, and it's easy to tell it's a stylization of a human, not a genuine but crap attempt at drawing one.
Damnit, now you got me thinking about Groening. Well at least its a lame excuse to rant so..
Groening has a 'fursona', or rather a self portrait, of himself as a rabbit. Theres a few actually, I can't seem to find one on the net.
I've read all the 'Life is Hell', my parents introduced me to them at a fairly young age (this WAS AFTER the sexual education period mind you. And before simpsons, I *AM* OG after all...).
Theres nothing like anthropomorphic existential angst to sooth the mind of a youth.
DAMN YOU GROENING, I'M POSTING ON CYD AND IT'S *ALL YOUR FAULT!*
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Mitch
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There are several artists who don't get better, though I've noticed a couple who seem to actually get worse before finally giving up thank god.
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that KAK has suddenly gotten a little better, I wonder where she's copying from...
Speaking of KAK, can someone possibly hazard a guess at what she's on about here:
It seem theres a new sick yiff thing going on. These artist that already wasting there talent on yiff art, have gone to a new low. Now making there charator's heads inro muffins and they are having boobs and screwing each other. Thanks to these sick Furs I don't like looking or eatting muffins anymore.If I see one I feel like barfing! Yep you Yiff furs make me SICK!
PLEASE GET A LIFE PEOPLE! |
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Big Evil Ogre
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Tygger... she is one of those who got worse just before she quit. She started out as an artist that looked like she took lessons from Terrie Smith. Then when she FINALLY ogt her Guardian Knights books out, it was through some small tiny little publisher. Once I saw the work I knew why. She went from a good artist to not much better than this gonterman guy. Finally she seems to truely be gone. Karma must have gotten to her and gave her what she truely deserved.
Dude......her face.......
Like an unrolled, crumpled piece of paper.....
I mean, really, when little kids keep drawing crap that bad, they at least learn proportions and anatomy, and get better. This guy's thirty-something, and this?! How.....?! He keeps drawing this crap, how can he not be getting ANY better?!
This is Gontermadness.....
....So much so it forced a pun out of me....
There are several artists who don't get better, though I've noticed a couple who seem to actually get worse before finally giving up thank god.
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that KAK has suddenly gotten a little better, I wonder where she's copying from...
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mouse
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Posted: 9/30/2004 7:54:28 PM
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Speaking of KAK, can someone possibly hazard a guess at what she's on about here:
It seem theres a new sick yiff thing going on. These artist that already wasting there talent on yiff art, have gone to a new low. Now making there charator's heads inro muffins and they are having boobs and screwing each other. Thanks to these sick Furs I don't like looking or eatting muffins anymore.If I see one I feel like barfing! Yep you Yiff furs make me SICK!
PLEASE GET A LIFE PEOPLE!
Some furries slashed characters from muffinfilms.com ? |
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mouse
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:15:09 PM
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Of course, there can be good cartoons that are highly unrealistic in proportions and shapes. Look at the Simpsons and Futurama. The difference? It's clean, consistent, and it's easy to tell it's a stylization of a human, not a genuine but crap attempt at drawing one.
Yeah a lot of cartoonists are artists...but the literal definition of a cartoon is just a distortion, a simplification or a stereotype.
Technically you dont have to have any abillity at all to be able to draw a cartoon. Look at some of the stuff the 50-60-70s... that extremely light very minimalist style. Its almost just supposed to be symbolic. The picture just has to show something - as long as most people can recognize whats its supposed to be.
Theres plenty of poorly drawn yet very successful cartoons out there.
Groening has a 'fursona', or rather a self portrait, of himself as a rabbit. Theres a few actually, I can't seem to find one on the net.
well I have the Funny Animals issue of Amazing Heroes (#129, 1987) and Groenig is in there. He mentions he totally cant draw at all. Rabbits were the only cartoon animals he drew that looked like what they were supposed to. And they included a "self portrait" of him as a rabbit. Every artist profiled in that Issue did. A lot of people do it constantly. -- just that people exposed to furry fandom (either looking in, or inside it) take it differently.
People portraiting, or daydreaming of themselves as an certain animal charicature is nothing new at all. Even on some of the less-extreme levels you see often furry fandom. |
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DA
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There are several artists who don't get better, though I've noticed a couple who seem to actually get worse before finally giving up thank god.
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that KAK has suddenly gotten a little better, I wonder where she's copying from...
Speaking of KAK, can someone possibly hazard a guess at what she's on about here:
It seem theres a new sick yiff thing going on. These artist that already wasting there talent on yiff art, have gone to a new low. Now making there charator's heads inro muffins and they are having boobs and screwing each other. Thanks to these sick Furs I don't like looking or eatting muffins anymore.If I see one I feel like barfing! Yep you Yiff furs make me SICK!
PLEASE GET A LIFE PEOPLE!
Absolutely no fucking idea...mind you this is the same person who announced about 7 or so months ago she was going to ensure yiff and nasty stuff like that became illegal, it's yet to happen obviously. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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Yeah, but a little bit of freindly sarcasm is actually really good. At least it shows that someone isn't trying to get nasty. Sometimes when I'd get a constructive critique it was almost more damaging to my rather fragile ego than the turdsuckers who just wanted to make themselves feel better by shooting down my work. It's always been tough for me with the writing thing because I have always been the kind of guy who could accomplish damn near anything if I wanted to. I work in a Deli at a grocery store and have a car collection most yuppies would drool over. (Not to mention my etertainment center).
I liked it when someone said something funny, without being insulting.
One time... I was told I write like William Shatner speaks reading to small children. that burned...
There's a lot I knew was wrong, and I'd point out that I knew there were some continuity errors but I'd fix them when I reached my 50 page read point. As well as tenses... always sucked at keeping track of my tenses. I'd have hired someone to go through and correct the things I missed but because of the entertainment center and the cars I can'tafford to pay anyone.
I wish I coulda gotten a critique from someone like you with my fiction, at least you're entertaining in how you say "You suck!", I got a few good chuckles outta that.
Heh... well, if it was a case where this fellow actually asked me for a critique, I'd have used a lot more constructive comments and a lot less sarcasm.
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The New Meat
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It's always been tough for me with the writing thing because I have always been the kind of guy who could accomplish damn near anything if I wanted to. I work in a Deli at a grocery store and have a car collection most yuppies would drool over. (Not to mention my etertainment center).
Yes, yes, you're very great. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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Yes, yes I am. Thankya for noticing. I shall now demonstrate my amazing fried chicken eating abilititties.
It's always been tough for me with the writing thing because I have always been the kind of guy who could accomplish damn near anything if I wanted to. I work in a Deli at a grocery store and have a car collection most yuppies would drool over. (Not to mention my etertainment center).
Yes, yes, you're very great.
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ZenZhu
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Animal characters as avatars works on different levels for different people. For many furries, obviously, it's seen as an expression of their "true" selves.
For other furries, they may draw themselves as animal characters simply because they have put so much time and effort into drawing morphs that they cannot draw a decent human to save their life. Steve Gallacci, by his own admission, draws decent enough fluffy animals, but draws horrendous humans.
Other people may draw themselves as an animal character simply because it allows them to represent themselves without actually having to make a character look like themselves. A lot of manga artists do this.. though the representative character can be anything. Masamune Shirow, creator of Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed draws himself as some kind of robotic squid with, I think, a gatling gun for its mouth. In one of the How to Draw Manga books, the artist that illustrated the book does some comics about the production process in Japan. One of his team of artists is represented by a gorilla. Another illustrator in another How to Draw Manga books draws herself as something like a deer.
I come at drawing myself from the latter perspective. If I had to compare my appearance to anyone on TV, I'm told I look like Michael Chiklis in The Shield (the bald guy). I'm not quite so badass looking, though. In my human styles, which range from something looking like it was inspired by Bruce Timm's work in the original Batman: TAS to my anime styles, I wind up looking pretty nondescript. I've never bothered to refine drawing myself, anyway, so it never looks enough like me. Since the two species I use for myself the most.. a boar and a bald eagle (get it....ahahahah...er.. ahem)... are not ones you see often, it's pretty easy to pick out when I'm showing up in a doodle. So, an animal character is just an easy way of saying, "Here I am in the cartoon." without getting bogged down in the attempt to make a character actually look like myself. With the boar, too, it's more of a self-effacing way of depicting myself, rather than "OOOhhh... I'm all cool and adorable as a mightysnugglywolffoxdragon."
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The Outsider
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Yes, yes I am. Thankya for noticing. I shall now demonstrate my amazing fried chicken eating abilititties.
But, whatever you do, DON'T pull his finger aftewards.
Pull MY finger instead. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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GoManVanGogh
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I come at drawing myself from the latter perspective. If I had to compare my appearance to anyone on TV, I'm told I look like Michael Chiklis in The Shield (the bald guy).
Oooh!
Can you say "It's clobberin' time"? Just once? PLEEEEEZ? |
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Big Evil Ogre
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The closest I would consider an avatar for me is my flagship character Landslide. Basically he has an appearance similar to me, only as a furry. Same style of clothes hairstyle (Or headfur) things like that. But I see him as more of a goal of who I want to be more like. I'll never be his size, but I can have his build since he's more physically fit. His personality has evolved into one that I would like to be more comparable to. Basically, he's almost more like a mentor or someone I look up to and try to be like. My goal is to eventually be as much like Landslide as I can get. But I wouldn't try and say he's really my avatar, I don't think I am really worthy of having him as an avatar.
Animal characters as avatars works on different levels for different people. For many furries, obviously, it's seen as an expression of their "true" selves.
For other furries, they may draw themselves as animal characters simply because they have put so much time and effort into drawing morphs that they cannot draw a decent human to save their life. Steve Gallacci, by his own admission, draws decent enough fluffy animals, but draws horrendous humans.
Other people may draw themselves as an animal character simply because it allows them to represent themselves without actually having to make a character look like themselves. A lot of manga artists do this.. though the representative character can be anything. Masamune Shirow, creator of Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed draws himself as some kind of robotic squid with, I think, a gatling gun for its mouth. In one of the How to Draw Manga books, the artist that illustrated the book does some comics about the production process in Japan. One of his team of artists is represented by a gorilla. Another illustrator in another How to Draw Manga books draws herself as something like a deer.
I come at drawing myself from the latter perspective. If I had to compare my appearance to anyone on TV, I'm told I look like Michael Chiklis in The Shield (the bald guy). I'm not quite so badass looking, though. In my human styles, which range from something looking like it was inspired by Bruce Timm's work in the original Batman: TAS to my anime styles, I wind up looking pretty nondescript. I've never bothered to refine drawing myself, anyway, so it never looks enough like me. Since the two species I use for myself the most.. a boar and a bald eagle (get it....ahahahah...er.. ahem)... are not ones you see often, it's pretty easy to pick out when I'm showing up in a doodle. So, an animal character is just an easy way of saying, "Here I am in the cartoon." without getting bogged down in the attempt to make a character actually look like myself. With the boar, too, it's more of a self-effacing way of depicting myself, rather than "OOOhhh... I'm all cool and adorable as a mightysnugglywolffoxdragon."
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Big Evil Ogre
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Whatever ya do... don't pull the Outsider's finger! There really hasn't been any hurricains in Florida, it's Outsider going to his favorite Mexican Food place.
Yes, yes I am. Thankya for noticing. I shall now demonstrate my amazing fried chicken eating abilititties.
But, whatever you do, DON'T pull his finger aftewards.
Pull MY finger instead. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ebonyleopard
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Tygger... she is one of those who got worse just before she quit. She started out as an artist that looked like she took lessons from Terrie Smith. Then when she FINALLY ogt her Guardian Knights books out, it was through some small tiny little publisher. Once I saw the work I knew why. She went from a good artist to not much better than this gonterman guy. Finally she seems to truely be gone. Karma must have gotten to her and gave her what she truely deserved.
I think that had to do with the fact most pin up artist don't realize that the mechanics of doing sequential comic art is a whole different animal than drawing a single narrative illustration. And because of the additional work that has to go into making each panel look as interesting as the next, as opposed to just worrying about one picture, the work quality tends to lessen, especially when a pin-up artist isn't used to doing something like that on a scheduled deadline. |
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Big Evil Ogre
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That was definately part of it. Another factor was just before she went nova on me was she mentioned that she was "Sick and tired of being called a Terrie Smith clone" so she changed her art style. Then proceeded to describe death threats people threw at her because she changed her art style *chyah... right. And monkeys will come flyin' outta my butt*
I think a lot of artists who styles suddenly take a downturn in quality do it because they're changing style for whatever reason and it's part due to people not seeing what they're used to, and another part that it just doesn't work as well as they hoped.
Tygger... she is one of those who got worse just before she quit. She started out as an artist that looked like she took lessons from Terrie Smith. Then when she FINALLY ogt her Guardian Knights books out, it was through some small tiny little publisher. Once I saw the work I knew why. She went from a good artist to not much better than this gonterman guy. Finally she seems to truely be gone. Karma must have gotten to her and gave her what she truely deserved.
I think that had to do with the fact most pin up artist don't realize that the mechanics of doing sequential comic art is a whole different animal than drawing a single narrative illustration. And because of the additional work that has to go into making each panel look as interesting as the next, as opposed to just worrying about one picture, the work quality tends to lessen, especially when a pin-up artist isn't used to doing something like that on a scheduled deadline.
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The Outsider
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Whatever ya do... don't pull the Outsider's finger! There really hasn't been any hurricains in Florida, it's Outsider going to his favorite Mexican Food place.
Four times this season too. I'm persona non grata in Florida.
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Whatever ya do... don't pull the Outsider's finger! There really hasn't been any hurricains in Florida, it's Outsider going to his favorite Mexican Food place.
Four times this season too. I'm persona non grata in Florida.
The Outsider
The Outsider is like the Scorpions. He'll rock you like a Hurricane.
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Rankin
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The Outsider is like the Scorpions. He'll rock you like a Hurricane.
Yeah... so where are the Blue Angels to sync their aerobatics (get it, get it?) with his singing? |
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Jerry Collins
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Keeping it simple...Extinctioners...stink! |
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Anonymous
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Posted: 10/9/2004 9:53:16 PM
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Keeping it simple...Extinctioners...stink!
no u :( |
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Jerry Collins
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like I care what YOU think? :roll: I said it once,I"ll say it again.."Extinctioners STINK!!! :wink: :twisted: :wink: And now for your listening pleasure the Bulgarian Womens Chorus..Take it away Magda! |
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Anonymous
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Posted: 10/16/2004 12:00:17 PM
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like I care what YOU think? :roll: I said it once,I"ll say it again.."Extinctioners STINK!!! :wink: :twisted: :wink: And now for your listening pleasure the Bulgarian Womens Chorus..Take it away Magda!
no u :( |
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Mitch
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Posted: 10/16/2004 4:42:14 PM
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like I care what YOU think? :roll: I said it once,I"ll say it again.."Extinctioners STINK!!! :wink: :twisted: :wink: And now for your listening pleasure the Bulgarian Womens Chorus..Take it away Magda!
no u :(
Enough already. |
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Ebonyleopard
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Keeping it simple...Extinctioners...stink! `
You go away for a couple of days and what happens, I get a critique from a fine comic artists.
You're right, I should follow your example, I'm spending way too much time inking my work and working on actual anatomy, back grounds, and visually identifiable species. What was I thinking?
You Mr. Collions are the true art god and I can only hope someday to produce work as fine and polished as yours. :oops: |
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TAKE IT OUTSIDE YOU TWO |
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