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Michael Hirtes
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Posted: 9/17/2004 8:35:35 PM     Post subject: You know furrydumb's rep is officially toast when......  

........it's even used as a gag in a Jim Carey movie.

Spotted this on AFF, so I don't take credit for the following comments:

So I'm watching "Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind", a recent movie
starring Jim Carey, and in a scene from it, he masturbates to
something that can be qualified as furry porn... o.o

*SPOILER ALERT*


screengrabs:
http://www.songe.info/dvd/ispron.jpg

Jim Carey, as Joel, thrown back to one of his earlier memories, lies
in his bed and masturbates to pictures depicting sexual activities
between a wolf morph and a bunny morph, with Clementine by him. He
explains to her that he looks for twisted corners in his memory to
help him escape from the memory-erasers.



(masturbating) The humiliation... the humiliation... the
humm-mm-mili...
Joel!...
(intake of breath) I... I don't like it either... I'm just
tryin' to find horrible, secret places to...
(coming into the door) Joel... (starts saying
something, but is startled by the scene before her) Oh, uhm, you know
what, honey? I'm just gonna ask you in the morning... (walks away)
Goodnight sweetheart
(Joel covers his head with the blanket and Clementine laughs)

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Posted: 9/17/2004 9:06:48 PM     Post subject:  

I notice it looks like it's drawn on notebook paper. Thinking over to furry artists and sexually frustrated teens...................... not to mention the 30 and 40-year old virgins....... If you can't draw a decent human because all you've ever practiced was animal heads.... well, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when doodling up your own wanking material.

The gag makes me think of the scene from Naked Gun... 2 1/2 or 33 1/3.. I don't remember which... where the chief is flipping through the sketch artist's book, and there's some kind of lion-faced dominatrix or something. Of course, that predates the really growing public knowledge of furrydom.

Still, the gags kind of illustrate that the public in general is never going to consider sexualizing animal characters as something normal. No how matter how skilled a depiction you do of a vixenmorph width DD boobies... your average man on the street is going to see it as more of a gag than something to seriously beat off to.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 9:10:11 PM     Post subject:  

Awww YEAH. Real furry girls on paper goin' "WHEEEEE!!", all across America! Act now, and we'll throw in a bonus tape of real furry loser guys going "WHOOOO!!! YIFF!!"

Dude, Jim Carrey's been down with the pleasures of the fur from day one; remember that scene in Earth Girls Are Easy where they're all horny for that holographic dancer chick with fur and a tail? Ohhh yeeeaahh.

It's scary, but there's really little room for doubt as to what that means. Usually I'm one to say "that ain't furry", but given the nature of the scene, the 'quality' of the art and that it's apparently drawn by the character (who is obviously not an artist and draws only to produce wank material), well... someone in the mainstream knows, and they got it dead on.

And I laugh.

I sense a quickening as of late, don't you? As if we're on the cusp of some new awareness of furry dawning on the normal, outside world. And there will be much ruination and despair all around, mark my words.

And I am just tickled pink about it.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 9:18:02 PM     Post subject:  

*quirks eyebrow*

I just think the attacks will slowly shine a brighter light on the freaks. Bright enough to scatter them like cockroaches.

Perhaps... 50... 100 years from now, the true fandom will emerge again. This time, wiser from past mistakes.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 9:23:16 PM     Post subject:  

It's scary, but there's really little room for doubt as to what that means. Usually I'm one to say "that ain't furry", but given the nature of the scene, the 'quality' of the art and that it's apparently drawn by the character (who is obviously not an artist and draws only to produce wank material), well... someone in the mainstream knows, and they got it dead on.


Enough that you'd think it was a printout rather than a prop created for the movie.

I sense a quickening as of late, don't you? As if we're on the cusp of some new awareness of furry dawning on the normal, outside world.


Yes.

And there will be much ruination and despair all around, mark my words.


ehhh, maybe from furries themselves over-reacting as per usual, but I really can't imagine a world where people walk around all day thinking of the weird porn other people look at. Unless they are into it themselves and can't admit it or something.

Im kind of desensitized, but furry porn is far from the worst porn out there. And the worst furry porn is usually that just because its furry art with some other distubing fetish haphazardly attached to it. thats cheating.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 9:46:56 PM     Post subject:  

To keep with the, just because it's got humanized animals doesn't mean it's gotta be furry, who's to say that's not some old Robert Crumb stuff or some of that older comic art?

Looking at the artwork, save for the animal heads, there' very little that really would identify it by furries as being furry. They literally are the humans with animal heads types that you probably could find in old porn mags of the past.

Using anthro animals as symbols of human sexual activity isn't exactly a new 'furry' thing afterall that's excusively done by those who actually would consider themselves furry either.

Frankly, judging by the animal types, they seem more like the symbols of human behavior we often give animals (which anthromorphizes them).
The male being the dog (Like saying men are dogs) and the woman being a rabbit (which we often associate with fertility and sexuality). They seem like basic, what's the word achetypes(?), for ideal human stereotypes.

It's like doing a story where you want to show someone is greedy so you draw an anthro pig, someone who is clever would be an anthro fox, someone who is a theif, an anthro raccoon, ect.

One thing I learned in psychology is that (and yes, this was a suprise) that the use of anthro characters are sometimes encourage because it gives a person an idealized, yet separate, thing to look up to and aspire to, because of the human qualities we give the animals. Like, lions are brave, so a person may visualize themselves as such. What that gotta do with this from the movie, shrug, but then, not sure what its got to do with furry either.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 11:14:27 PM     Post subject:  

To keep with the, just because it's got humanized animals doesn't mean it's gotta be furry, who's to say that's not some old Robert Crumb stuff or some of that older comic art?

Looking at the artwork, save for the animal heads, there' very little that really would identify it by furries as being furry. They literally are the humans with animal heads types that you probably could find in old porn mags of the past.

Using anthro animals as symbols of human sexual activity isn't exactly a new 'furry' thing afterall that's excusively done by those who actually would consider themselves furry either.

Frankly, judging by the animal types, they seem more like the symbols of human behavior we often give animals (which anthromorphizes them).
The male being the dog (Like saying men are dogs) and the woman being a rabbit (which we often associate with fertility and sexuality). They seem like basic, what's the word achetypes(?), for ideal human stereotypes.

It's like doing a story where you want to show someone is greedy so you draw an anthro pig, someone who is clever would be an anthro fox, someone who is a theif, an anthro raccoon, ect.

One thing I learned in psychology is that (and yes, this was a suprise) that the use of anthro characters are sometimes encourage because it gives a person an idealized, yet separate, thing to look up to and aspire to, because of the human qualities we give the animals. Like, lions are brave, so a person may visualize themselves as such. What that gotta do with this from the movie, shrug, but then, not sure what its got to do with furry either.


Are you sure you're not a furry? That stuff you just said has been one of the furries' biggest rationale for years.

(and that shit never has flushed with the mundanes either)
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Posted: 9/18/2004 4:18:33 AM     Post subject:  

To keep with the, just because it's got humanized animals doesn't mean it's gotta be furry, who's to say that's not some old Robert Crumb stuff or some of that older comic art?

Looking at the artwork, save for the animal heads, there' very little that really would identify it by furries as being furry. They literally are the humans with animal heads types that you probably could find in old porn mags of the past.

Using anthro animals as symbols of human sexual activity isn't exactly a new 'furry' thing afterall that's excusively done by those who actually would consider themselves furry either.

Frankly, judging by the animal types, they seem more like the symbols of human behavior we often give animals (which anthromorphizes them).
The male being the dog (Like saying men are dogs) and the woman being a rabbit (which we often associate with fertility and sexuality). They seem like basic, what's the word achetypes(?), for ideal human stereotypes.

It's like doing a story where you want to show someone is greedy so you draw an anthro pig, someone who is clever would be an anthro fox, someone who is a theif, an anthro raccoon, ect.

One thing I learned in psychology is that (and yes, this was a suprise) that the use of anthro characters are sometimes encourage because it gives a person an idealized, yet separate, thing to look up to and aspire to, because of the human qualities we give the animals. Like, lions are brave, so a person may visualize themselves as such. What that gotta do with this from the movie, shrug, but then, not sure what its got to do with furry either.


Are you sure you're not a furry? That stuff you just said has been one of the furries' biggest rationale for years.

(and that shit never has flushed with the mundanes either)


Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 11:41:08 AM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 3:24:13 PM     Post subject:  

Michael Hirtes Wrote:

So I'm watching "Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind", a recent movie
starring Jim Carey, and in a scene from it, he masturbates to
something that can be qualified as furry porn... o.o



Christ.. that just kinda, embarrassing. Thats it, Fuck it all.
Fire the ovens boys! I volunteer to go in first!
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Posted: 9/18/2004 5:20:56 PM     Post subject:  

Christ.. that just kinda, embarrassing. Thats it, Fuck it all.
Fire the ovens boys! I volunteer to go in first!

Wait, what? Why would you be the one going into the ovens, and not the one manning the ovens? I'll volunteer to drive the trucks, but there's no fucking way you're getting me to collect fillings and carve off tattoos (as if there'll be anything worth processing anyway).

Hey, bonus! Fursuits make their own bodybags.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 5:35:21 PM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


Dont' be so quick to discredit that which you do not understand, which, judging by your very well thought out and intellegent reply, may be a lot of things.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 5:37:35 PM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


And my gosh, do you know how hard it is to take any reply you make seriously when I'm looking at a giant fursuited racoon dog swing his giant sized balls back and forth?

I mean, really...
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Posted: 9/18/2004 6:28:44 PM     Post subject:  

And my gosh, do you know how hard it is to take any reply you make seriously when I'm looking at a giant fursuited racoon dog swing his giant sized balls back and forth?

I mean, really...

I think there was something in Sun Tsu's Art of War about distracting your opponent with huge, pendulous testicles. Which means he's winning.


Seriously, as a connoisseur of avatars I have to say that is one of the best. Do you know where it's from, or the mythology behind tanuki balls? They're magical and can turn into candy and stuff.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 7:22:53 PM     Post subject:  

Dont' be so quick to discredit that which you do not understand, which, judging by your very well thought out and intellegent reply, may be a lot of things.


It amuses me to know that you think your ownership of some textbooks makes you feel superior in the argument.

Come on, please. Now tell us that you must be off to play the grahnd pee-ahn-oe. :lol:

If some book you bought contains a load of drivel that runs parallel to what the furries use as an excuse to act like a pack of greasy slobbering yiffbeasts, then the publisher needs to get their money back from the author.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 7:32:29 PM     Post subject:  

I'm fairly sure the producers wanted that prop comic because it would draw more laughs, rather than there being any direct animal content. Instead of having him jerk off to the sears catalog, why not have it be some hasty rendition of those 1920s/1930s rude cartoon booklets - only, instead of Popeye, make it an undiscernable animal so we don't get sued!



BRILLIANT!

This way, it's even more of a stretch on the folks' imagination, and thus, funnier as well!



BRILLIANT!

Then again, Carrey is most likely a dogfucker.
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Posted: 9/19/2004 12:27:31 AM     Post subject:  

I think there was something in Sun Tsu's Art of War about distracting your opponent with huge, pendulous testicles. Which means he's winning.


Seriously, as a connoisseur of avatars I have to say that is one of the best. Do you know where it's from, or the mythology behind tanuki balls? They're magical and can turn into candy and stuff.


Yeah, I know what a Tanuki is (I also have a transformer that's a clock one). They're also based on raccoon dogs.

I just find it odd that on one hand fursuiters are often commented on negatively, yet one would have an avatar that's gotta be one of the most disturbing type of fursuits you could have. (A fursuit that displays any type of genitals, is going far beyond just creative cosplay.)
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Posted: 9/19/2004 12:40:12 AM     Post subject:  

Dont' be so quick to discredit that which you do not understand, which, judging by your very well thought out and intellegent reply, may be a lot of things.


It amuses me to know that you think your ownership of some textbooks makes you feel superior in the argument.

Come on, please. Now tell us that you must be off to play the grahnd pee-ahn-oe. :lol:


Just stating where I got my info from. I know the idea of reading actual books for info rather than computers is becoming a dying art in todays fast paced info splurged world, but, they do kill tries on large numbers for more than just making "TP for your bunghole".


If some book you bought contains a load of drivel that runs parallel to what the furries use as an excuse to act like a pack of greasy slobbering yiffbeasts, then the publisher needs to get their money back from the author.

I'm sorry to see you believe published books on psychology are drivel, though it doesn't surprise me. You are aware though that not everything is come big furry conspiracy. And might I point out, that while try as you may to distance yourself from it, you're sorta just as responsible for the image of furry being more about sex than cartoon animals you know, Mr. Furplay. If it was the 90's that caused all of this 'furry drama' we see today, that's your era.

So it's up to come of us current creators/ artist/ and authors to kinda undo what you helped contribute to. :!:
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Posted: 9/19/2004 12:55:58 AM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


Somewhere, somehow, there a Martin Wagner / Hepcats mention begging to be made but I'm not going to do it.

I will say that the movie stuff is probably slightly less in-jokey that let's say using some Hardiman, Martin, or Winger spooge would be but it's still right in there with spooge. It IS spooge. And spooge is furry. And that's just wrong.

'Kay?

Class dismissed. Tomorrow, we will have a test on the philosophical difference between TV giving furry a bad rep by exposing it and furry doing itself in by making the material for them to use in the first place.
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Posted: 9/19/2004 1:16:11 AM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


Somewhere, somehow, there a Martin Wagner / Hepcats mention begging to be made but I'm not going to do it.

I will say that the movie stuff is probably slightly less in-jokey that let's say using some Hardiman, Martin, or Winger spooge would be but it's still right in there with spooge. It IS spooge. And spooge is furry. And that's just wrong.

'Kay?

Class dismissed. Tomorrow, we will have a test on the philosophical difference between TV giving furry a bad rep by exposing it and furry doing itself in by making the material for them to use in the first place.


You make the assumption that that was the intent of thta material in the first place, which I still say is reading a lot into things. Just because eomething has an animal head on it doesn't mean it's furry/yiffy/spoogey, or what ever term you want to use.

It's sort of the opposite of how furries will claim anything talking humaniod animal as being furry in an excepting way.

I still say the concept of using animal characters in adult situations isn't exactly a new thing nor is it a furry thing. You all reported I see, about Hustler using a humanoid beaver as its mascot. Playboy has had the anthro bunny girl (whom I happen to find a mini-statue of at Wizardworld) for years. Heck, you can even go back to Greek mythology and find anthro creatures in sexual situations (Zeus as a bull and swan, the Minotaur).

So, let's not be so quick to claim everything that is good as being 'furry' and everything this is weird or bad as being 'furry'. Otherwise, what's the difference between the two sides save for positive/negative reactions?
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Posted: 9/19/2004 1:25:12 AM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


Somewhere, somehow, there a Martin Wagner / Hepcats mention begging to be made but I'm not going to do it.

I will say that the movie stuff is probably slightly less in-jokey that let's say using some Hardiman, Martin, or Winger spooge would be but it's still right in there with spooge. It IS spooge. And spooge is furry. And that's just wrong.

'Kay?

Class dismissed. Tomorrow, we will have a test on the philosophical difference between TV giving furry a bad rep by exposing it and furry doing itself in by making the material for them to use in the first place.


You make the assumption that that was the intent of thta material in the first place, which I still say is reading a lot into things. Just because eomething has an animal head on it doesn't mean it's furry/yiffy/spoogey, or what ever term you want to use.

It's sort of the opposite of how furries will claim anything talking humaniod animal as being furry in an excepting way.

I still say the concept of using animal characters in adult situations isn't exactly a new thing nor is it a furry thing. You all reported I see, about Hustler using a humanoid beaver as its mascot. Playboy has had the anthro bunny girl (whom I happen to find a mini-statue of at Wizardworld) for years. Heck, you can even go back to Greek mythology and find anthro creatures in sexual situations (Zeus as a bull and swan, the Minotaur).

So, let's not be so quick to claim everything that is good as being 'furry' and everything this is weird or bad as being 'furry'. Otherwise, what's the difference between the two sides save for positive/negative reactions?


The difference is that I have never met anyone anywhere at any time outside of furry who thinks of your examples as wank material. The Hustler beaver is a frigging visual pun, and if you aren't following that, I suggest National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon One for further edification.

Playboy's bunny girl is an icon. No one strokes off over it who isn't seriously fucked.

And we can mention mythology all we want and in the end drag SG-1 into it through turns.

Furry is anthropomorphics gone wrong. Spooge is furry porn. That simple. What MH posted was clearly an example of spooge. It was Hepcats porn if you want to dice what's furry and not and play Wagner all day long. Doesn't change what it is.

FWIW, Hepcats is furry only because Wagner's protestations to the contrary are so slight as to be irrellevant next to the tumult of furries claiming otherwise. They adopted it, he didn't win back the custody, it's furry by squatter's rights as it were.
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Posted: 9/19/2004 2:29:34 AM     Post subject:  

Be that as it may, I actually have the psychology book that I had to buy for class that had that in it.


Then you got hosed with a hardcover tome of claptrap then, I'm afraid.


Somewhere, somehow, there a Martin Wagner / Hepcats mention begging to be made but I'm not going to do it.

I will say that the movie stuff is probably slightly less in-jokey that let's say using some Hardiman, Martin, or Winger spooge would be but it's still right in there with spooge. It IS spooge. And spooge is furry. And that's just wrong.

'Kay?

Class dismissed. Tomorrow, we will have a test on the philosophical difference between TV giving furry a bad rep by exposing it and furry doing itself in by making the material for them to use in the first place.


You make the assumption that that was the intent of thta material in the first place, which I still say is reading a lot into things. Just because eomething has an animal head on it doesn't mean it's furry/yiffy/spoogey, or what ever term you want to use.

It's sort of the opposite of how furries will claim anything talking humaniod animal as being furry in an excepting way.

I still say the concept of using animal characters in adult situations isn't exactly a new thing nor is it a furry thing. You all reported I see, about Hustler using a humanoid beaver as its mascot. Playboy has had the anthro bunny girl (whom I happen to find a mini-statue of at Wizardworld) for years. Heck, you can even go back to Greek mythology and find anthro creatures in sexual situations (Zeus as a bull and swan, the Minotaur).

So, let's not be so quick to claim everything that is good as being 'furry' and everything this is weird or bad as being 'furry'. Otherwise, what's the difference between the two sides save for positive/negative reactions?


The difference is that I have never met anyone anywhere at any time outside of furry who thinks of your examples as wank material. The Hustler beaver is a frigging visual pun, and if you aren't following that, I suggest National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon One for further edification.

Playboy's bunny girl is an icon. No one strokes off over it who isn't seriously fucked.

And we can mention mythology all we want and in the end drag SG-1 into it through turns.

Furry is anthropomorphics gone wrong. Spooge is furry porn. That simple. What MH posted was clearly an example of spooge. It was Hepcats porn if you want to dice what's furry and not and play Wagner all day long. Doesn't change what it is.

FWIW, Hepcats is furry only because Wagner's protestations to the contrary are so slight as to be irrellevant next to the tumult of furries claiming otherwise. They adopted it, he didn't win back the custody, it's furry by squatter's rights as it were.


Spooge isn't furry porn, it's not even a term that was made by Furrydumb as you like to say. Wagner that shafted his company isn't the best example of professionalism in the realm of comics either.

But hey, A witch hunter is going to find a witch when they go looking for one. So will a "Furry" hunter I suppose. I still feel that seeing something with an animal head on it doesn't automatically make it furry. If it does, then I guess you'd fall under the same mind frame as those labeld furry trying to claim anything with an animal head on it as being furry.

Then Maus really is a furry graphic novel, rather than a story that just happened to use humanoid animals as the medium to tell a story. Fairy Tales are laced with furries too then. 3 Little Pigs & the Big Bad Wolf. Puss N Boots. Tony the Tiger. Billy the Chicago Bulls mascot is a fursuit. Don't look now, we're surrounded by furries, furriness.
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Posted: 9/19/2004 2:34:49 AM     Post subject:  

But hey, A witch hunter is going to find a witch when they go looking for one. So will a "Furry" hunter I suppose. I still feel that seeing something with an animal head on it doesn't automatically make it furry. If it does, then I guess you'd fall under the same mind frame as those labeld furry trying to claim anything with an animal head on it as being furry.

Then Maus really is a furry graphic novel, rather than a story that just happened to use humanoid animals as the medium to tell a story. Fairy Tales are laced with furries too then. 3 Little Pigs & the Big Bad Wolf. Puss N Boots. Tony the Tiger. Billy the Chicago Bulls mascot is a fursuit. Don't look now, we're surrounded by furries, furriness.


Boy am I glad I saw the top paragraph. I tend to scan from the bottom, upwards just to decdie if it's mindless pulp/shit/flames. I was about to ask what the hell you were on. :)
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Posted: 9/19/2004 9:29:17 AM     Post subject:  

*appluads*
Ebonyleopard, well done. Maybe eventually you'll break through the hardened shell of these fellows to whatever shred of humanity lies beneath. :lol:

I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you guys hate the furry fandom so much, why not just IGNORE it and go on with your lives? Don't you guys have girlfriends/wives or anything?

It seems to me that the people who have nothing better to do than sit around grousing about something they consider worthless and atrocious are not really doing much to aid their cause... Unless, of course, the cause really is just to sit around grousing about it! 0_o

Ah... the paradox! The paradox!
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Posted: 9/19/2004 11:32:08 AM     Post subject:  

*appluads*
Ebonyleopard, well done. Maybe eventually you'll break through the hardened shell of these fellows to whatever shred of humanity lies beneath. :lol:

I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you guys hate the furry fandom so much, why not just IGNORE it and go on with your lives? Don't you guys have girlfriends/wives or anything?

It seems to me that the people who have nothing better to do than sit around grousing about something they consider worthless and atrocious are not really doing much to aid their cause... Unless, of course, the cause really is just to sit around grousing about it! 0_o

Yes, we do have GFs and SOs and all kinds of other acronyms, we just tell them we're browsing Amazon and deftly minimize the window when they walk in the room to ask us how searching Amazon can take four hours, and then we tell them that the stuff in the other browser window is just funny animals, and explain that "No, I didn't mean 'funny' as in 'funny ha ha', though yes, it is rather funny that they should be doing that."

It seems to me that people who have nothing better to do than grouse about people grousing on an online forum should turn off their PC and go outside and ride bikes or taunt cats or something.


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Posted: 9/19/2004 11:35:47 AM     Post subject:  


I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you guys hate the furry fandom so much, why not just IGNORE it and go on with your lives? Don't you guys have girlfriends/wives or anything?


OH NOES! HE PULLED OUT TEH LIFE CARD!

You're my internet hero.
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Posted: 9/19/2004 12:51:04 PM     Post subject:  


I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you guys hate the furry fandom so much, why not just IGNORE it and go on with your lives? Don't you guys have girlfriends/wives or anything?


OH NOES! HE PULLED OUT TEH LIFE CARD!

You're my internet hero.



Add an "s" to that "he", pal. ;)

*deftly goes back to dancing to 80's music without missing a beat*


As for riding bikes and taunting cats... Well... it's a long story. Let me just say, I'll be sure to get some excercise when my husband gets home. ;)
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Posted: 9/19/2004 1:10:53 PM     Post subject:  

Add an "s" to that "he", pal. ;)

Wait, is that why you've got an egg in your avatar? As a symbol of fertility and feminity, not because of an egg-laying or unbirthing fetish?

*deftly goes back to dancing to 80's music without missing a beat*

"We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind; cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance, well they're no friends of mine"
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Posted: 9/19/2004 1:48:15 PM     Post subject:  

I don't see what all the fuss is about. If you guys hate the furry fandom so much, why not just IGNORE it and go on with your lives? Don't you guys have girlfriends/wives or anything?


OOPS

You can think of it as us sitting back, smoking a cigar, and chuckling as the fandom does all sorts of wacky, stupid things. Not us running around and shouting "HEY GUYS ITS FURRIES, FURRIES ARE DUM".

This thread is now about Ron Livingston.


He's so dreamy.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 2:28:53 AM     Post subject:  

I just find it odd that on one hand fursuiters are often commented on negatively, yet one would have an avatar that's gotta be one of the most disturbing type of fursuits you could have. (A fursuit that displays any type of genitals, is going far beyond just creative cosplay.)


Poor Shawtae. He's just not getting it.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 2:42:51 AM     Post subject:  

I'm sorry to see you believe published books on psychology are drivel, though it doesn't surprise me. You are aware though that not everything is come big furry conspiracy. And might I point out, that while try as you may to distance yourself from it, you're sorta just as responsible for the image of furry being more about sex than cartoon animals you know, Mr. Furplay. If it was the 90's that caused all of this 'furry drama' we see today, that's your era.


That has got to be THE most assinine thing I have ever heard fall of anyone's skull, in any forum!

WTF is truly the matter with you, you smug little cocksucker? I was actually trying to cut you some slack these past few days (more out of respect for Mitch than you), and there you go back to talking shit about me again (and what a whopper you made this time too). This time, I cannot begin to fathom the outrageousness of what you just said! It boggles all hope of imagination.

I, Michael Hirtes, am responsible for the fact that furry fandom is a pack of gibbering retards and criminally insane psychotics?? Never mind the antics of Merlino, the stalkings of Quozl, the looniness of Nekobe, or the creepiness of "Bondage Bob". It's Michael Hirtes that's responsible?

FUCK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH AND DIE, SHAWNTAE HOWARD!! You just crossed over from being a mere pest to a sworn enemy! It takes a real type of nastiness to qualify as one, and you passed the test! CongratuFUCKINGlations!

Mitch? I'm sorry, but this bastard obviously is here mainly to fuck with me, and I'm not going to put up with it. He's REALLY fucking pissing me off!
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Posted: 9/20/2004 2:45:21 AM     Post subject:  

I just find it odd that on one hand fursuiters are often commented on negatively, yet one would have an avatar that's gotta be one of the most disturbing type of fursuits you could have. (A fursuit that displays any type of genitals, is going far beyond just creative cosplay.)


Poor Shawtae. He's just not getting it.


You're such a fine teacher and communicator, I'm not sure why nothing you say seems to make any sense to me. Maybe if you'd actually answer a question I could get a better understanding of what it is you are trying to type.

Most ironic thing about that avatar though is, why the tanuki has obvious very large balls, it has no other genitals. Maybe it is an apporpriate avatar.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 9:51:44 AM     Post subject:  

Dude? Ebonyleopard? Even though my avatar pretty much speaks my opinion, I'm going to give you a little advice here.

Imagine you are standing on a patio, rock in hand. Fifteen feet away is the wasp nest that is currently Michael. Peacefully buzzing away, adding on, sure, they've stung people in the past, but now they're over that. You take aim with the rock, pull your arm back, and get ready to throw. Suddenly, you have a change of heart.

You now have a choice. The road you are heading down is the road of pulling the fucking nest down and playing hacky-sack with it. The road you should be taking is the road of calmly backing away, the road of neither of you bothering each other.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 10:38:27 AM     Post subject:  

Dude? Ebonyleopard? Even though my avatar pretty much speaks my opinion, I'm going to give you a little advice here.

Imagine you are standing on a patio, rock in hand. Fifteen feet away is the wasp nest that is currently Michael. Peacefully buzzing away, adding on, sure, they've stung people in the past, but now they're over that. You take aim with the rock, pull your arm back, and get ready to throw. Suddenly, you have a change of heart.

You now have a choice. The road you are heading down is the road of pulling the fucking nest down and playing hacky-sack with it. The road you should be taking is the road of calmly backing away, the road of neither of you bothering each other.


Good point, but it looks like by making that brainfart comment that he had made, Howard put the hornet's nest over his head and is now wearing it like a space helmet.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 11:26:11 AM     Post subject:  

And might I point out, that while try as you may to distance yourself from it, you're sorta just as responsible for the image of furry being more about sex than cartoon animals you know, Mr. Furplay. If it was the 90's that caused all of this 'furry drama' we see today, that's your era.


Whoa....this reads as if Mike Hirtes is solely or mostly responsible for the sexual-based content that's been perverted and widespread throughout furdom. If that's the case, I'll have to disagree (and you're giving Mike WAY too much credit). That's akin to saying I'm responsible for the actions of the characters in SHANDA THE PANDA because I inked it (and there's been those who've tried to hold me accountable for such).

Mike's right. I think it's more the actions and antics of those he mentioned that contributed much more to the perversion element of furdom than Mike's fanzine.


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Posted: 9/20/2004 11:58:49 AM     Post subject:  

"Hey wilford! you look good in a beehive! Ahhahaaa...ehh, somebody stop me!"

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Posted: 9/20/2004 2:43:12 PM     Post subject:  

If there is anything to blame on the social or asocial messedupedness of the internet it would be the internet itself. In general I think society simply was not ready, or ready to enter so fast. Or perhaps more specifically the dot commies that screamed "JOO MUST HAVE DER INTARNEET NAAOOOW!", ie. thru all those adverts that started having URL's at the bottom starting back in about '95. Well thats one mechanism.

I am assuming here that something IS indeed wrong with the internet, which I'm not totally sure there is.

Some people are just messed up, and that will always be true. Humans didn't exactly spend most of their (evolutionary scale) time adapting to flame wars etc., but I guess you have to start someplace.
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Posted: 9/20/2004 3:44:06 PM     Post subject:  

Seriously, as a connoisseur of avatars I have to say that is one of the best. Do you know where it's from, or the mythology behind tanuki balls? They're magical and can turn into candy and stuff.

I must be a tanuki, then, cuz mine turn into an all-day sucker.

Giggidy giggidy giggidy... awwww-right!

Seriously, the part of the legend that makes me cringe is how they can beat on them like drums. I mean....... OW!

put the hornet's nest over his head and is now wearing it like a space helmet.

While I'm not partial to the animosity that's flying around of late, that is one of the funniest things I've read lately..... I think mostly owing to the retro charm of the term "space helmet."

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Posted: 9/20/2004 5:24:50 PM     Post subject:  

MIKE, EBONY, STOP BREAKING THREADS
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Posted: 9/21/2004 1:13:43 AM     Post subject:  

And might I point out, that while try as you may to distance yourself from it, you're sorta just as responsible for the image of furry being more about sex than cartoon animals you know, Mr. Furplay. If it was the 90's that caused all of this 'furry drama' we see today, that's your era.


Whoa....this reads as if Mike Hirtes is solely or mostly responsible for the sexual-based content that's been perverted and widespread throughout furdom. If that's the case, I'll have to disagree (and you're giving Mike WAY too much credit). That's akin to saying I'm responsible for the actions of the characters in SHANDA THE PANDA because I inked it (and there's been those who've tried to hold me accountable for such).

Mike's right. I think it's more the actions and antics of those he mentioned that contributed much more to the perversion element of furdom than Mike's fanzine.


The Outsider


Out of respect for a mod, this will be the last post I make on this topic anyway, simply to clarify. I am not saying Mr. Hirtes is sole responsible for the sexual image of the furry fandom, but he has helped contribute to it by publishing a pornographic zine. So I'm just pointing out it's silly to on one hand complain about the negative image the fandom has which has grown over the years, when one of your only contributions to it was making that which is now being ridiculed in the past.

Image is image. I could say, yeah, I did an adult comic so I've helped contirbute some to the fandom's adult image, but I'm not exactly complaining about the overall image of furry fandom, because I don't care about the overall image of furry fandom since I don't let know man out side of myself, family, or beliefs define who or what I am. So chit chatter about the horrors mean nothing to me since I know that overall, I don't create things that contribute to the overtly odd things associated with the fandom.

So no, Mike isn't responsible for the image of furry, but he has helped in one way or another contribute to it in its history. (Heck, Furplay magazine was one of the first adult furry things I ever saw, back when Mailbox Books was in PA and they sent me a catalogue. They had all kinds of pictures of furry stuff I never new existed and Furplay was one of the first adult oriented furry mags I had ever heard of. So...)
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Posted: 9/21/2004 1:27:15 AM     Post subject:  

So Mike is responsible for creating Howard. =)
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You IDIOT! You made me! Remember, you dropped me into that vat of furporn... That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try!
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Posted: 9/21/2004 1:29:08 AM     Post subject:  

So Mike is responsible for creating Howard. =)
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You IDIOT! You made me! Remember, you dropped me into that vat of furporn... That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try!


Yes, he is my father. I just have a really bad sun tan. :lol:
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Posted: 9/21/2004 2:50:55 AM     Post subject:  

Tumor, you just do not know when to fucking quit, do you?

DO NOT provoke me any further. Understand???!
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Posted: 9/21/2004 3:06:14 AM     Post subject:  

When is this theard going to be locked, it's turned into a first class flame war worthy of the kndergarden that is AFF.

So lets try to get back to normal on this formum, and stop with the name calling, and insults, they are getting to be old.

Later

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Posted: 9/21/2004 3:17:43 AM     Post subject:  

Out of respect for a mod, this will be the last post I make on this topic anyway, simply to clarify. I am not saying Mr. Hirtes is sole responsible for the sexual image of the furry fandom, but he has helped contribute to it by publishing a pornographic zine. So I'm just pointing out it's silly to on one hand complain about the negative image the fandom has which has grown over the years, when one of your only contributions to it was making that which is now being ridiculed in the past.

So no, Mike isn't responsible for the image of furry, but he has helped in one way or another contribute to it in its history. (Heck, Furplay magazine was one of the first adult furry things I ever saw, back when Mailbox Books was in PA and they sent me a catalogue. They had all kinds of pictures of furry stuff I never new existed and Furplay was one of the first adult oriented furry mags I had ever heard of. So...)


My take is that Mike Hirtes or FURPLAY were NOT a factor in elements of furdom embracing various forms of pornography. If I remember correctly, FURPLAY was mostly ignored, so I don't see how it could've been a factor.


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Posted: 9/21/2004 4:48:36 AM     Post subject:  

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
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