Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

GoManVanGogh · Prattler Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 194

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/09/57920458.shtml

See, this is how hobbyist communities are SUPPOSED to respond to this sort of thing!

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

It is unfortuante thought that the gamer community tends to be a magnet for these perverts.

Yeah, 99% of the gamers I know are normal, average people looking to have fun, but just like in society, there's this 1% that causes all the trouble and gets all the attention.

In that part of the US, someone will spin this in some negative way, even if the community there handled it correctly.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Someone will always find a way to spin stuff to their version of the truth.

My wife has been watching this thing called Amish in the City. It's kind of like The Real World, except that 5 kids from Amish country on their.... I don't remember the name.. but Amish have the chance to spend one year living it up outside of Amish living to see if they want to join the outside world, or stay Amish. Surprisingly, many return to the Amish life.... anyway, 5 Amish kids with 5 city kids. I haven't watched the series, but last week the city kids went to Amish country. I watched for the sheer awe of how much they bitched and moaned.

During part of their visit, they spent the day with a family that was unorthodox Amish. They had modern conveniences, and the father wore a belt (Amish don't due to their French persecutors wearing belts.. talk about grudges), and such. At one point, the father is telling one of the city kids how he used to listen to rock, until he learned it was created by the devil. :shock:

It got me to thinking about this whole "Kids In Service of Satan" (KISS) and how some folks claim rock was created by the devil.... not just metal like GWAR or Judas Priest, but all rock by their logic.

If you trace the history of rock, before Elvis and The Beatles, it was largely an outgrowth of the rhythm and blues scene of the black community... with some influences from country thrown in from the hillbilly-to-rockabilly crowd. The black R&B from way back was, if I remember correctly, basically an outgrowth of the music that can be traced back to the old slave hymns. Even the rockabilly stuff was an outgrowth of a lot of the Appalachian country music, which also had a lot of gospel ties. So, how we got from a form of music that, for all intents and purposes has some of its heaviest roots in gospel hymns to all rock being a product of the devil, I dunno.

GoManVanGogh · Prattler Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 194

But do you see gamers standing up for the perpetrator because "He's one of us"?

Do you see them painting him as some sort of martyr who should be coddled and "just needs to be understood"?

Hell, NO!

They're ostracizing him, treating him as "persona non grata" and doing everything they can to make it clear that "He is NOT one of us" and "That is NOT what we're about at all".

Just as any group of intelligent, sensible and moral human beings would.

If only EVERY "geek group" I ever encountered had these qualities.

In fact, now that I think about it, I suddenly have a very bad feeling that this creep will find his way into "The Fandumb", where he'll be met with open arms and protected from "Those nasty, judgemental HY00MANZ".

You may laugh, but I said the same thing about Dennis Avnormal when I first heard of him on "Ripley's".

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

This is one of the places furries run into trouble with their unwillingness to really set some boundaries as to what is and isn't acceptable and/or part of furrydom.

In this case, a guy molesting a child obviously has no relation to gaming. Even if you try and suggest he was trying to RP something from his imaginary world, it's clear enough to his fellow gamers that this imaginary world where adults and children engage in "happywriggles" is severely warped.

With furries, however, they're far too quick to suggest that such relations are what would be ideal in their little fantasy world... where everyone and everything communicates in ultimate understanding and humps with full cognizance and consent. They don't have the backbone to stand up and say "Uh.... Ed..... even if your world of alien supervixens was real, a 33 year old wolf humping a 12 year old skunk would still be considered fucked in the head." (Or would that be "yiffed in the head?")

I sometimes have to wonder how much furry nuttiness started out as a joke, and then just kind of gained support. I mean... Winger does the hyperphallic herms as a gag... and it eventually becomes standard fare. A few furries do stories with incest and pedophila... and suddenly every MUCK has an ageplay area.

Maybe it has to do with many furries intentionally blurring the line between RP and the real world. With gamers, they know they're playing a game. With the exception of your occasional Monsters & Mazes goofball that wasn't right in the head to begin with, these folks pretty well know it's just make believe. Even the Vampire: The Masquerade folks mostly know it's make believe.. even if they get carried away with it. No matter how beardy you are, how many Celtic sigils you have tattoed onto your carcass, or how many swords are hanging on the wall in your den, you know you're not really Fionn MacCumhail or Legolas. Even if you wishwishwishwishwishwish you lived in Middle Earth... most gamers know they still have to get up each morning and go to work. They know if they look like Peter Jackson, they'd get their asses kicked in a heartbeat if they were genuinely on the battlefield in medieval Europe.

With the furry freaks, though (separating them out from furry fans, here), they're intentionally blurring the line as much as possible between fantasy and reality. This whole animal soul thing is a convenient tool to suggest that, while you may look like Peter Jackson on the outside, you're really White Fang on the inside. Humans are pretty good at convincing themselves that a lie, when repeated enough, is the truth. What furries have become skilled at doing is taking that small hint of the unknown.... the fact that some things like Nessie, Bigfoot, animal totems, and such can not presently be disproven with total certainty... and run with it like a prize-winning quarterback. While your standard comic book geek or gamer finds the prospect of the unknown a little spice on life, they know it's not enough to base your identity or your existence on. But furries take that shred of the uncertainty and use it to justify their self-delusion that they are not meant to be who or what they presently are.

When you start blurring the lines between fantasy and reality in such a fashion, it becomes pretty easy to blur the lines between what is and isn't acceptable. If you can convince yourself you and Ed are not really a 33 year old human and a 12 year old boy.. but both dragon spirits that are several centuries old.. then you can erroneously justify your molestation of the child to yourself. You can tell yourself the kid is scared, but just because he hasn't "realized" his dragon spirit yet. :x So, the freaky furries leave in this realm of justifying real life actions based on fantasy-filled notions... so they live in a world in their mind where crap like molesting animals and children is an expression of some "greater truth."

A gamer molests a child, and the other gamers know to say "Dude, that just isn't right. Get the hell out."

A furry molests an animal, and the other furries say, "Dude, he's just acting as his alien animal spirit would on its home planet of Xacablakoblax. You can't judge him by hy00man standards."

Like hell we can't.

Donotsue · Venter Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 209

Yer not suppoesd to dig up any dirt... or think logically... but just have blind faith... heathen! =)

You... you Enemy of Bush's freedom! Elvis was the devil... =)

Kadius · Venter Joined: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 254

Well, furries are actually FOR giving into animalistic urges in most cases. Which, I guess is the reason they would probably defend someone like this. After all, 'we can't judge him by human standards.' As ZenZhu suggested.

We hyoomans expect to someone to squash this kind of desire, or not to have it to begin with.

Furries are all too willing to accept freaks like this, with open arms. Where as the general majority of people are going to want someone burned at the stake for something like this.

ZenZhu · Vociferator Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 669

Glen Beck once described the difference between the thoughts and actions of normal people, and folks that do this sort of thing:

The freaks see someone's 15-year-old, surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they do.

The normal man sees someone's 15-year-old. surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they don't do anything else.

:D

Michael Hirtes · Vociferator Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 612

Glen Beck once described the difference between the thoughts and actions of normal people, and folks that do this sort of thing:

The freaks see someone's 15-year-old, surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they do.

The normal man sees someone's 15-year-old. surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they don't do anything else.

:D

The sanest course of action is to see someone's 15-year-old. surprisingly developed daughter and think "Three more years. Just three more years......".

I wouldn't want to bang an underage girl anyway. The 11-18 age period seems to be the time when they're most likely to be emaciated or chubby quasi-goth whiners who spend most of their days bitching on their LJ/DA sites about how much they want to slit their wrists & write their death poem on the bathroom tile in their own blood as an act of their final contempt towards humanity.

Like I once said in another thread. Ashryn. 'Nuff said.

M0us3_Zero · Venter Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 252

*shrug*

In any case, one less pervert in my fandom. GG Tennesee. ^_^

Quantum Coyote · Coadjutor Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 89

ZenZhu Wrote:

Glen Beck once described the difference between the thoughts and actions of normal people, and folks that do this sort of thing:

The freaks see someone's 15-year-old, surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they do.

The normal man sees someone's 15-year-old. surprisingly developed daughter and think "Man, I'd like to bang her." Then they don't do anything else.

That 'normal person' thing can be called behavioral inhibition. And like you mentioned in another post, it really can be like frontal lobotomy (the kind your most likely familiar with)

Take the curios case of Mr. Gage, victim of a mining accident, who had a large metal rod thrust into the front of his brain, amazingly not killing him in the process (or from aftereffects ie. infection).

Quoted from here

Some months after the accident, probably in about the middle of 1849, Phineas felt strong enough to resume work. But because his personality had changed so much, the contractors who had employed him would not give him his place again. Before the accident he had been their most capable and efficient foreman, one with a well-balanced mind, and who was looked on as a shrewd smart business man. He was now fitful, irreverent, and grossly profane, showing little deference for his fellows. He was also impatient and obstinate, yet capricious and vacillating, unable to settle on any of the plans he devised for future action. His friends said he was “No longer Gage.”

Our frontal lobes are basically all that seperate us from the passing thought of "Man if I could get my hands on that umpire" and actually throttling the ump. Patients with frontal lobe disorders of the type that cause disinhibition of behavior are often hypersexual, sometimes seemingly humping anything without warning or provocation, and doing many things without reguard to the consiquences. Intelligence is not impaired among many of those who have purely frontal injuries.

Other things can cause frontal dis-control as well. We all know chemicals such as alcohol do this. Psychological conditioning or certain types of development(upbringing) hypothetically can create similar conditions.

Sociopathy is similar, but here the individual knows that the action is wrong, but because they feel no remorse, they act anyways.

(note: this 'information' is not intended to aid in the diagnosis or treatment of any psychological or medical malady)

Computolio · Vociferator Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 405

http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/04/09/57920458.shtml

See, this is how hobbyist communities are SUPPOSED to respond to this sort of thing!

'Cept furries don't count as a hobbyist community anymore.

creature · Prattler Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 147

You know, I'd love to see a true clinical psycholigist study the furry fandom. I think the findings would be very interesting.

DA · Vociferator Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 355

You know, I'd love to see a true clinical psycholigist study the furry fandom. I think the findings would be very interesting.

They'd probably have the entire thing commited under the mental health act as being unstable. :twisted:

mouse · Vociferator Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 740

You know, I'd love to see a true clinical psycholigist study the furry fandom. I think the findings would be very interesting.

See this thread

But as I said there, who knows how much furry fandom is going to comprise of thier study - its just to be included. I also have the feeling they are raelly going to miss the mark.

Just about everything in Furry fandom good or bad, is better explained by sociology and sociological concepts - not psychology bullshit. Err, at least, I myself am not really interested in the psychological aspect at all. I don't really care "what the fuck that guy's issue is" - just rather how everyone interacts and how societies, cultures, sub cultures, and groups of people interact.