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Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

One thing I've noticed witht he furry fandom is that; it seems like 95% of the people in it are high school or college students, often they come from upper middle class families and often their of the 'straight A's' type.

My question is, why?

Why is it that so many people in the fandom fit into this catagory? Where are the older people, where's the guys with the average marks?

I have a couple of explantions for this.

(as a disclaimer: this is not meant to flame any person or any group of people, this is just meant as a theory and does make a lot of generilsations. I apologise beforehand if this offends anyone as causing offense is not my goal)

The first one

As has been stated many times over, much of the furry fandom is about (and only about) porn and sex.

People in the high school and college age are (at least steriotpyically) at the age where the hormones are raging and in some cases, the tastes arn't exactly sophisticated. In other words, if it can be jerked too, they'll jerk to it.

That is also an age where people tend to be idealistic and have little idea of how the world works.

For example, they could very well see Sabrina and Amy as realistic women (ie slender, wear revealing clothing etc) and the typical slender, muscular, kick ass at sports, super smart etc guy as 'everyone is like that'.

When they get a little older (say past the college age (ie maybe 18-24 or so)) they start to realise just how sexist so much of the fandom is and get tired of all the spooge and other fetishes. Because of this, they leave and move onto bigger and better things.

(btw, using Sabrina as an example, one thing I liked about the 'RC' character was that for once, there was a male character that wasen't this huge muscular guy, while he was a bit too slender, he was still basically a normal guy, sure a bit of a geek, but then again, in this day and age, who isn't?)

Second theory

My second theory is simular to the first.

Notice how many of the characters that furries create are of the 'young, hot, smart, rich, college kid'? Notice how they almost are all skinny, very attractive, the guys get lots of 'chicks' and the 'chicks' get lots of guys (and it's always inevitably the football quarterback type?).

Well, once your beyond college, fantasining about being in it starts getting harder and harder to relate to. In time, you start to realise how tiresome the 'sexy, smart, young, college babe/hunk' character is.

But I think it's that it's the typicall sexist fantasy. I mean, the whole idea of some guy 'accidently' ending up in the dorm of a lonley and horney skunkette has been done over and over. It's your typical lemon/wank material story or pic.

So, what I'm getting at is that, the reason so many of the people in the fandom are HS or college kids is because it fits in with the fantasies. Once they move beyond that age and phase in their lives, the fantasies get harder to relate to and they start realising how sexist they are and they move on.

But that's just a theory.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I don't think they're college students. I think they're mostly people who have never moved out of highschool/college ways of thinking, because they haven't grown up at all. Maybe it's because they felt alone and ridiculed for being different, or maybe it's because they brought it on themselves somehow. Maybe they never dated because "all chicks are mean and only want one thing in men". There's usually some excuse.

I don't mean to say that all furries are like this, but there's a great preponderance of them, the same as one would find in the "geek" community. Fortunately most geeks grow out of it, because they discover that they aren't really that different. I think a lot of furries complain about being seen as different, but they end up holding on to the idea of being different like it is a wonderful treasure.

Anyway, as far as most of the women looking like young, titsy creatures with exaggerated features: that's pretty common in any male-oriented porn, so why would it be different in fur? Our society decided a long time ago that young well endowed women are more valuable than normal women, older women, smart women. What I find the most interesting about the whole thing is how many of these people seem attracted to seemingly heterosexual fur women, but engage in "jailhouse gay" behaviour with other male furs, because they can't get laid by any women. Very odd indeed.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Really, you have the highly intellectual freaks who are into really obscure and odd crap like vore, non-anthro (beastiality), Piss-On-Me-Elmo, etc. They generally have poor social skills, and furry is a place that they can feel among their peers, for they have the common furry bond, but they also have their intellectual inferiors whom make them look, and feel better about themselves. Some are so caught up in their complexes, they seek out and become a demagog of the cause: Case, 'Uncle Kage'.

On the other hand (paw, lol), you have the less intellgent whom commonly work at the local Wal-Mart, and still live with their parents, with no further or future aspirations, all at the tender age of 43. They generally have poor social skills, and furry is a place they can feel among their peers; the common bond, with those who 'do the furry things' like setup conventions, you know, that there smart people. They friend.

It's cartoons, and boobs. If there was a way to fit a PlayStation in there, you know you'd be all over it.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

Anyway, as far as most of the women looking like young, titsy creatures with exaggerated features: that's pretty common in any male-oriented porn, so why would it be different in fur?

A curious note to make is how the females are also drawing themselves like that. Try finding an example of a 'fursona' on teamartail.com, where the fashion-victim doesn't have a 2-3 cup bust expansion. The reasons of course, has already been explained in this thread..

That reminds me about one of the things I find especially creepy-- the male artists who specialize in art-trading only with teenage/young female artists (William Ruzicka, 'Chalosan', ...) I've raised the issue with Chris "Ch'mrr" Cogdon, and he's definately turning a blind-eye to this kind of cyber-stalking.

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Erm...can I point out a few furry artist female actually REDUCE their avatars cup size...I would be one of these rare females... :P

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

Erm...can I point out a few furry artist female actually REDUCE their avatars cup size...I would be one of these rare females... :P

Ah... how to say this without pissing people off, but to make a point about another general trend... Did the reduction also apply to your stomach measurement as well..?

"large breasts" != "fatty tits", in most young male vocabularies...

(No personal insult intended, DA.)

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

One thing I've noticed witht he furry fandom is that; it seems like 95% of the people in it are high school or college students, often they come from upper middle class families and often their of the 'straight A's' type.

I always figured it was because they're the sort of people who have enough time to do this sort of thing.

Erm...can I point out a few furry artist female actually REDUCE their avatars cup size...I would be one of these rare females... :P

What what what? There's womens here? On the internet? I'd best work out my stalking arm, so that it doesn't cramp up. On account of all the stalking I'm about to do.

I kid, of course.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

I always figured it was because they're the sort of people who have enough time to do this sort of thing.

But, woulden't such people be too preoccupied with their studies to have the time for it?

DA · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Jun 2003 Posts: 320

Chris> nope, I'm quite slim...it's genetic that all the females in my family are reasonably big on top, I usually take my characters down a few sizes because you couldn't do some of their more energetic manouvers without gaining a black eye with my chest.

I tend toward realistic bodies rather than barbie doll wannabes :P *is rare*

thegunman · Qualificator Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 37

i view it as a way the writer puts himself in a happy life and what he views a deisirable body and environment. this is very common in fictional writings of all kinds. my take on most furry artists/authors (not all) are people who don't like being who they are and this is a way out :roll:

Wayd Wolf · Coadjutor Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 456

People always want to be something other than who they are. Depression leads to unhappiness. Denial leads to blaming that unhappiness on everything other than the self. This leads to ignorance of the Buckaroo Banzai rule, "Wherever you go, there you are." i.e., people don't grasp they're unhappy, not that they're made unhappy by everything else.

So they slog through in a life of quiet desperation, get laid, get drunk, get in debt, and all the other things people do.

Some are true head cases and take the problem to the point of constantly running away to new places every chance they get, never understanding that until they blame themselves, they will be unhappy wherever they go. Once they blame themselves, they can get on with slapping themselves and promising themselves not to keep doing that.

You have an undersociety in furry where the distortions of flight from logic and reality are magnified enormously.

People want to be heros, so they watch action or make themselves an action hero in fiction. I write my character as a reluctant ass-kicker because I am in reality good at kicking ass but not in any rush to do it. I'd rather get drunk and throw darts at the bar with you than break your kneecaps. So I use furry as a way of tossing in things that matter like regret, mistakes, owning up to said mistakes, overcoming the easy path of hate for the harder path of nobility, etc.

IOW, THINGS FURRIES NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

Being the hero sucks. You tend to get shot at and and sooner or later you get hit and it freaking hurts like the spike end of a warhammer heated red hot, connecting with you as if swung by a major league ballplayer. Better just to be who you are and live with that. Your life is what you make of it and if you spend all your time trying to live in that fantasy world, you end up wasting time NOT doing anything in reality.

W/regard to women and breasts, every woman I've ever known except one who had huge boobs wanted smaller B or C cups. Every woman I've ever known except one who had small boobs wanted giant DD-EEE cups. Guys with giant dicks don't generally want small ones, but I can't imagine anyone with 24" being happy being unable to get more than the first quarter of their schlong in before she screams in pain. Every guy who isn't one of those freaks of nature wants more.

What matters is what you do with what you have.