I mean, what about the sex? Fisk had sex with a sexually aggressive black, sorry, hyena girl when he was 10 - she was 11. In the most recent Better Days pages, Fisk and his sister Lucy have sex - both of them are 14. So, what the hell does this translate to? Naylor thinks incest is cool? Naylor thinks 10- or 14-year olds having sex is cool?

Two days ago, I was sufficiently bored to read Jay Naylor's Better Days in its entirety. I've read bits and pieces of it before, but swallowing the whole thing in one go made me conclude that it's a very fucked up comic, and I started to think up a long rant about it with the intent of posting it on this forum.

But lo and behold, The New Meat beat me to it and has written a Better Days critique for CYD that outdoes anything I could have come up with. Go read it if you haven't already!

There was one aspect of Better Days that The New Meat did not mention in his article, though, one that really struck me, so here you go:

Quick recap: Better Days is the (seemingly semi-autobiograpic) coming-af-age story of Jay Naylor's alter ego Fisk. Like The New Meat points out, Better Days functions as a vehicle for Naylor's personal views on, well, anything. You can bet that when a "sympathetic" Better Days character says or does something, it's because Naylor thinks such opinion or action is right, just and good. (If you doubt that the opinions found in the comic are really Naylor's own, try reading Naylor's livejournal - that'll remove any doubt.)

The odd aspect I mentioned is Fisk's age. His opinions on war, relationships etc. are opinions one would expect to hear from someone, oh, Naylor's age (if they're immature, that is) - not a kid who is 11 or whatever age Fisk is at those exact chapters of Better Days.

The New Meat's bid that Naylor is using the "wise beyond his years" cliché seems convincing. This can be said to work when it comes to talk (well, it doesn't really work in Better Days, but it works very well in, say, Peanuts) - but it makes no sense when it comes to physical actions. I mean, what about the sex? Fisk had sex with a sexually aggressive black, sorry, hyena girl when he was 10 - she was 11. In the most recent Better Days pages, Fisk and his sister Lucy have sex - both of them are 14. So, what the hell does this translate to? Naylor thinks incest is cool? Naylor thinks 10- or 14-year olds having sex is cool?

I'm at a loss here. What is Naylor's point in having children have sex in his comic? Is he doing it for shock effect - to be edgy and controversial? Is it a totally misunderstood and fucked up varitety of the "wise beyond his years" thing? Are 14-year old girls Naylor's idea of hot & sexy? Or did he, because Better Days in a manner of speaking is about himself, simply forget the implications of Fisk being a child?

If anyone has any idea, any suggestion at all, I'd like to read it, because this particular aspect of Better Days seems to be incompatible not only with societal standards but with everything else in the comic as well.

Bet's On for Lucy getting pregnant.

A couple people have speculated, and I think Naylor himself has admitted on occasion, that the comic is semi-autobiolgraphical. Personally, I suspect that the whole underage incest angle is one of those autobiographical moments. Its one of those things that's so close to the author that he can't separate himself enough to see how fucked up it is...so instead you get this creepy rationalizing storyline that goes against everything else he seems to stand for.

In conclusion: I think he fucked his sister. But I could be wrong. Hopefully.

Now, imagine if Naylor and Bernal started a new comic... or better, don't.

Now, imagine if Naylor and Bernal started a new comic... or better, don't.

That's like saying "don't think of 10 year-old incesterous mashed doughnut vaginas".

That poor bastard IM'd me on Thursday and said "Fisk is going to fuck his sister." Of course, it took a couple of seconds to comprehend what the hell he was going on about..

Bet's On for Lucy getting pregnant.

Bet's on for Lucy getting AIDS.

Now, imagine if Naylor and Bernal started a new comic... or better, don't.

Also, Jay's comic is crap and the message in TNM's article was lost inbetween the shouts of "REPUBLICANS ARE TEH EEBIL."

See, no, no, you have it wrong. Gonterman can only imply sex - he can't draw it. Even though he's tried. Regardless, kudos for working in all of the recent forum blathering. The splattered buns and the condom... for the love of darkness.

Ok, I just watched jumalauta... and I am xenophobic. You Finns are all fucking weird.

Ok, I just watched jumalauta... and I am xenophobic. You Finns are all fucking weird.

That long-haired guy was planning to buy a digital camera a few years back. It all went somewhat downhill from there. I think I have no choice but to post the link to the video.

www.cc.puv.fi/~e0300312/jumalauta.mpg

Let's just say we finns are almost as crazy as the japanese. A good proof of that would be the spede movies and uuno turhapuro.

I would just like to say that Jay Naylor most certainly does not represent the Fascis... I mean the conservative Republicans.

Also, Jay's comic is crap and the message in TNM's article was lost inbetween the shouts of "REPUBLICANS ARE TEH EEBIL."

Two days ago, I was sufficiently bored to read Jay Naylor's Better Days in its entirety. I've read bits and pieces of it before, but swallowing the whole thing in one go made me conclude that it's a very fucked up comic, and I started to think up a long rant about it with the intent of posting it on this forum.

But lo and behold, The New Meat beat me to it and has written a Better Days critique for CYD that outdoes anything I could have come up with. Go read it if you haven't already!

There was one aspect of Better Days that The New Meat did not mention in his article, though, one that really struck me, so here you go:

Quick recap: Better Days is the (seemingly semi-autobiograpic) coming-af-age story of Jay Naylor's alter ego Fisk. Like The New Meat points out, Better Days functions as a vehicle for Naylor's personal views on, well, anything. You can bet that when a "sympathetic" Better Days character says or does something, it's because Naylor thinks such opinion or action is right, just and good. (If you doubt that the opinions found in the comic are really Naylor's own, try reading Naylor's livejournal - that'll remove any doubt.)

The odd aspect I mentioned is Fisk's age. His opinions on war, relationships etc. are opinions one would expect to hear from someone, oh, Naylor's age (if they're immature, that is) - not a kid who is 11 or whatever age Fisk is at those exact chapters of Better Days.

The New Meat's bid that Naylor is using the "wise beyond his years" cliché seems convincing. This can be said to work when it comes to talk (well, it doesn't really work in Better Days, but it works very well in, say, Peanuts) - but it makes no sense when it comes to physical actions. I mean, what about the sex? Fisk had sex with a sexually aggressive black, sorry, hyena girl when he was 10 - she was 11. In the most recent Better Days pages, Fisk and his sister Lucy have sex - both of them are 14. So, what the hell does this translate to? Naylor thinks incest is cool? Naylor thinks 10- or 14-year olds having sex is cool?

I'm at a loss here. What is Naylor's point in having children have sex in his comic? Is he doing it for shock effect - to be edgy and controversial? Is it a totally misunderstood and fucked up varitety of the "wise beyond his years" thing? Are 14-year old girls Naylor's idea of hot & sexy? Or did he, because Better Days in a manner of speaking is about himself, simply forget the implications of Fisk being a child?

If anyone has any idea, any suggestion at all, I'd like to read it, because this particular aspect of Better Days seems to be incompatible not only with societal standards but with everything else in the comic as well.

Yeah, definatly a very good article.

Im also pretty (ok, very) left-wing so Id probably dislike the comic for a lot of the politics in it.

I still haven't read it at all other than the few pages that were linked here a while ago.
My old excuse was I was on dialup. Well, I have cable now.. so I cant really use that excuse anymore so I'll just say... 'gee one of these days Im going have to go thru and read Better Days'

I mean, what about the sex? Fisk had sex with a sexually aggressive black, sorry, hyena girl when he was 10 - she was 11. In the most recent Better Days pages, Fisk and his sister Lucy have sex - both of them are 14. So, what the hell does this translate to? Naylor thinks incest is cool? Naylor thinks 10- or 14-year olds having sex is cool?

Well the only thing that could be said to defend Naylor here is that kids are having sex at younger ages nowadays, there are problems with underage pregnencies and all that. So its not like it would be a terribly uncommon theme in stories about growing up.

... but the whole incest thing ....who the fuck knows. I'd rather not even dwell on that one.

First off, gotta say thanks for all the kind words (Assuming that Computolio is refering to the article and not the comic. Because I can't imagine the comic being rad by any stretch of th imagination.)

As for the underage sex thing, I agree, it's really hard to see how that fits into Naylor's worldview. It doesn't seem to mesh with his whole wacko conservative mindset but neither does he seem to be condemning it.

A couple people have speculated, and I think Naylor himself has admitted on occasion, that the comic is semi-autobiolgraphical. Personally, I suspect that the whole underage incest angle is one of those autobiographical moments. Its one of those things that's so close to the author that he can't separate himself enough to see how fucked up it is...so instead you get this creepy rationalizing storyline that goes against everything else he seems to stand for.

In conclusion: I think he fucked his sister. But I could be wrong. Hopefully.

But dude! He can eat ham while Jews cannot! He has teh mad ham eating skilz!
.

I would just like to say that Jay Naylor most certainly does not represent the Fascis... I mean the conservative Republicans.

Also, Jay's comic is crap and the message in TNM's article was lost inbetween the shouts of "REPUBLICANS ARE TEH EEBIL."

If Jay ever does have the balls to show up here and spouts his usual Mel Gibsonesque batshittery, I hope Wayd is the first to educate him about REAL conservative values.

This is where Mike'd say SHUT UP TUMOR!!! and Compu would tellem to take it to AFF! and Skunkfuckers inc.'d do sumfin ghey and
Rankin'd call him a hoe!

As much as I hate to point out this, but the way he's portraying sexuality among kids at the age they are in the story, isn't, unfortunately, a far fetched thing. Working with kids directly in this age group everyday, you'd be SHOCKED to hear the stuff kids today are talking about.

But dude! He can eat ham while Jews cannot! He has teh mad ham eating skilz!
.

What??? That fits the discussion how?

This is where Mike'd say SHUT UP TUMOR!!!

As much as I hate to point out this, but the way he's portraying sexuality among kids at the age they are in the story, isn't, unfortunately, a far fetched thing. Working with kids directly in this age group everyday, you'd be SHOCKED to hear the stuff kids today are talking about.

I mean, they've already layed claims to having boyfriends and girlfriends by the 4th grade and fight over such status. And I don't even want to talk about the unfortunately things I've already heard kids say among themselves about what they've done with how.

All just say this, if he's going for a realistic story like tell, using RL events that don't normally get talked about much in comics, well, he's not exactly making the stuff up.

Bottom line is though, his audience in that case is not Lefties. If that's what one wants then you probably should read Ozzy and Millie, which can be just as if not more so preachy on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

But dude! He can eat ham while Jews cannot! He has teh mad ham eating skilz!

What??? That fits the discussion how?

I'm thankful for the ham in the fridge that will last me for days, and I'm thankful for Jesus who lets me eat the ham, while Jews cannot.

A friend of mine summed it up earlier with "I figured it wouldn't take him long. His character was banging Lucy in 'Badly Drawn Kitties'." I broke down and read some BDK. The title is quite apropos - with just as weak of a plot. However, I doubt Mat is psychotic. :wink:

If this pic alone doesn't become a huge metaphoric meathook that snags Jay by the skull and drags him here into CYD like a huge loaf of ham (Mmmmm......haaaaaaaaaam), then I don't know what will.

To Sherer, Fisk/Lucy was a dirty joke; to Naylor, it's obviously something quite different.

After all, it would be pretty weird if something that was nothing more than a source of jokes in Badly Drawn Kitties would be inspiration for something very serious in Better Days, especially considering Naylor's later falling-out with Sherer. Then again, who knows how inspiration works. The creepyness remains though.

But dude! He can eat ham while Jews cannot! He has teh mad ham eating skilz!

What??? That fits the discussion how?

I'm thankful for the ham in the fridge that will last me for days, and I'm thankful for Jesus who lets me eat the ham, while Jews cannot.

A friend of mine summed it up earlier with "I figured it wouldn't take him long. His character was banging Lucy in 'Badly Drawn Kitties'." I broke down and read some BDK. The title is quite apropos - with just as weak of a plot. However, I doubt Mat is psychotic. :wink:

How much is Jay Nalor paying you to be his shill, Shawntae, or are you just being his shill for free?

How much is Jay Nalor paying you to be his shill, Shawntae, or are you just being his shill for free?

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE

Well, the simple truth of that is, Fisk and Lucy were originally nothing more than net characters played on a muck. I believe they happened to look similar in design (well as simlilar as the two draw) and they were friends so they decided to join up and make them Brother and Sister. BDK was at one point associated with BD. BD was the past stories, BDK the present/future. But a disagreement of (Stupid proportions IMHO) caused them to go separate ways, BUT since they had joined up to let their characters be so intermixed, it wasn't the cleanest of splits. While Fisk could easily be written out of BD they were adults and adult siblings are always moving, Lucy the kid couldn't as easily up and dissappear from the stories of their past. What the final arrangement was met to continue with her use in BD, I don't know, but that's pretty much the story of Lucy and Fisk the characters.

I read the article and couldn't take much from it only because it's not meant to be objective.

I'm a registered Democrat but don't consider myself a leftwing liberal. If anything I'm moderate.

I read the article and couldn't take much from it only because it's not meant to be objective.

You say that Naylor's portrayal of underage sexuality is pretty spot-on, but I refuse to believe that there are legions of preteens out there who want to boff their sisters.

(Im not totally sure who "Lucy" is... is thats Fisk's sister in the comic? and its someone else's character?)

Correct my timeline if I am wrong here:

Hirtes' ham thread got Sherer's attention and he flames CYD on his group. Someone on the BDK group finally snaps bitches him out. Everyone on the group assumed it was people from here infiltrating the group - that was when CYD managed to invade a group somehow with no one doing anything. And then within a few weeks or whatever Sherer gets sick of all Naylor's bullshit and bitches him out.

I never will understand why people will seek out things that will intentionally peeve them off. I mean, why would you, if you don't like the guy, bother reading his LJ anyway?

And just HOW much did Jay pay you to say that?

If Paul would mind reading what Jay has writen in his own forum then he would know that Jay doesn't exactly limit those of judaic belief to mice, he just showed ONE family of mice that happened to be so...

What Jay pictures in Better Days... is nothing out of the ordinary

I read the article and couldn't take much from it only because it's not meant to be objective.

I'm confused by this. Since when have we pretended that we're objective here? I said right up front that I was a crazy hippie liberal. Are you saying that I shouldn't have looked at "Better Days" through that lens? What instead? From a politically neutral standpoint? That would be an exciting read - "Naylor says some stuff here which some people might disagree with but that others will agree with. And over here he says some other stuff that some people agree with and others with disagree with."

If we were discussing Naylor's story-telling abilities or artistic talents, yeah, then we can apply some objective criteria. But political opinions? Better Days is a political strip and I submit it's impossible for the dissector's politics to not influence the dissection in some way. I could have put on an act and written a calmer, more clinical article, and, yes, maybe that would be more convincing to some people. If you're the sort who believes that true objectivity is possible and that the fact that I have a political leaning of my own will automatically render all my opinions on the other side irrelevant. I very passionately disagree with Naylor and it's hard not to get pissy when I see ideas that I don't just disagree with but that I find morally repugnant.

Just to be clear: I don't have any problem with Naylor holding his own opinions. I just happen to think that they're stupid and dangerous. And here in America, I'm just as free to say that he's full of shit as he is to express his dumbass ideas in the first place.


You say that Naylor's portrayal of underage sexuality is pretty spot-on, but I refuse to believe that there are legions of preteens out there who want to boff their sisters.

I'm a registered Democrat but don't consider myself a leftwing liberal. If anything I'm moderate.

Well, let's agree to disagree then.

I cant help noticing that Paul mentions that Jay makes 'right wing' junk eihter... I think that Jay,if anything, just shows a realistic non-political view on the world.

What Jay pictures in Better Days... is nothing out of the ordinary - things like that happen, he just posts it. I dont konw what Paul's problem is, but he should really consider trying some triple-X-lax to get all that BS out of his system...

A loyal Jay-walker

Holy shit, halfheartedly browsing over Naylor's forum. Why are so many people so fucking eager to explain away INCEST? HELLO. BROTHERSISTER FUCKING. NOT RIGHT. WRONG. BAD. IF THERE WAS ONE WORD FOR IT, IT WOUDL BE LIKE... BADONG.

People commenting on how tastefully the INCEST was handled. ARGH.

Holy shit, halfheartedly browsing over Naylor's forum. Why are so many people so fucking eager to explain away INCEST? HELLO. BROTHERSISTER FUCKING. NOT RIGHT. WRONG. BAD. IF THERE WAS ONE WORD FOR IT, IT WOUDL BE LIKE... BADONG.

People commenting on how tastefully the INCEST was handled. ARGH.

I think that Jay,if anything, just shows a realistic non-political view on the world.

I don't know about that part. Sherer doesn't like CYD, that's a matter of record. As for Sherer and Naylor falling out, it started when Sherer posted a comment on his site where he spoke out in favour of gay marriage. Naylor is against that - but the thing with Naylor is, not only is he right wing, he is certain that his political convictions are a result of him knowing The Facts, and anyone having other opinions is someone who doesn't know The Facts - someone who is, quite simply, ignorant and/or stupid (I'm not making this up, Naylor has written it pretty much in those words). So, when Sherer turned out be a liberal, Naylor let it be publicly known that Sherer was a stupid git. Their relationship disintegrated fast from there.

Jay, you're making Anne Coulter look like Al Franken. Ease up.

Well if CYD is Jay's 'competition' well,
IMHO, I think Fisk still has a use for that baseballbat.....

CYD is a bunch of *censored* that put down things that they can't understand.

Jay don't let those ID10Ts that call themseves CYD get you down.

Wellllllll,

That's a very old post. I read it a long time ago.

He had to lie about what's in the comic in order to disparage it the way he did, so I feel pretty good about it. I just wish he'd posted a link to the comic. Then people could visit it and see what it was really about. Maybe that's why he didn't.

Jay Naylor

Jay, you're making Anne Coulter look like Al Franken. Ease up.

Mistah Schmeck, you use your tongue prettier than a two dollar whore..

What do you think of my MSPAINT DELICACY? I call it "Kit and Kay: Showing us the way". All of the same rampant sex, with only a slightly different political angle!



Shit, I'll have to test market this thing!

(Im not totally sure who "Lucy" is... is thats Fisk's sister in the comic? and its someone else's character?)

Lucy was created by Mat Sherer. In both Badly Drawn Kitties and Better Days Fisk and Lucy are twins.

Correct my timeline if I am wrong here:

Hirtes' ham thread got Sherer's attention and he flames CYD on his group. Someone on the BDK group finally snaps bitches him out. Everyone on the group assumed it was people from here infiltrating the group - that was when CYD managed to invade a group somehow with no one doing anything. And then within a few weeks or whatever Sherer gets sick of all Naylor's bullshit and bitches him out.

I don't know about that part. Sherer doesn't like CYD, that's a matter of record. As for Sherer and Naylor falling out, it started when Sherer posted a comment on his site where he spoke out in favour of gay marriage. Naylor is against that - but the thing with Naylor is, not only is he right wing, he is certain that his political convictions are a result of him knowing The Facts, and anyone having other opinions is someone who doesn't know The Facts - someone who is, quite simply, ignorant and/or stupid (I'm not making this up, Naylor has written it pretty much in those words). So, when Sherer turned out be a liberal, Naylor let it be publicly known that Sherer was a stupid git. Their relationship disintegrated fast from there.

I never will understand why people will seek out things that will intentionally peeve them off. I mean, why would you, if you don't like the guy, bother reading his LJ anyway?

For the record, I don't seek out livejournal writings I know in advance I won't like. It's like this: I read Better Days and found that it contained a lot of right wing diatribes. I wanted to find out to what extent those were Naylor's own ideas. Theoretically, he could be a flaming commie writing a nasty satire on right wing thinking. I know that's not the case, as I've read the other threads on Naylor in this forum, but I wanted to know exactly how much of the diatribes were his own rather than something written to fit his characters. So, off to his livejournal to check. And the thing is, not only are the opinions expressed by Fisk and other characters (like Fisk's dad's chess-playing army buddy) exactly compatible with Naylor's own, they are written exactly alike. Naylor doesn't write for his characters, they have the same "tone of voice" that he does. In conclusion, the claim made by The New Meat and yours truly that Fisk = Naylor stands. After that, I really have no desire to read Naylor's livejournal anymore. Not because it pissed me off, it really didn't - at most, it made me go: :roll:

And just HOW much did Jay pay you to say that?

If Paul would mind reading what Jay has writen in his own forum then he would know that Jay doesn't exactly limit those of judaic belief to mice, he just showed ONE family of mice that happened to be so...

I think you have The New Meat and me mixed up. Find out if you want to criticise him or me and get back to us, OK?

What Jay pictures in Better Days... is nothing out of the ordinary

Fucking your 14 year old sister is nothing out of the ordinary? I doubt we live on the same planet.

What Jay pictures in Better Days... is nothing out of the ordinary - things like that happen, he just posts it. I dont konw what Paul's problem is, but he should really consider trying some triple-X-lax to get all that BS out of his system...

A loyal Jay-walker

I think Naylor's comic blows, and furthermore he should shut the fuck up with all the political garbage and incest and just get back to drawing decent furry pin ups. Thats seems to be his strong point.

Cuz when he has to do "plot" .. it just doesnt work out.

Left wing nuts are no better than right wing nuts. A nuts a nut regardless of which sack it's in.

Well, the "Talk about Comics" people are just parroting the standard "DON'T LIKE IT DON'T LOOK AT IT/ ENTERTAINMENT HAS NO BEARING ON REAL LIFE" line. And one quotes Jhonen Vasquez to prove this point. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!

Well if CYD is Jay's 'competition' well,
IMHO, I think Fisk still has a use for that baseballbat.....

CYD is a bunch of *censored* that put down things that they can't understand.

Jay don't let those ID10Ts that call themseves CYD get you down.

Yes, Jay, fight! Fight for great justice!

Also, Jay himself replies on that board:

Wellllllll,

That's a very old post. I read it a long time ago.

He had to lie about what's in the comic in order to disparage it the way he did, so I feel pretty good about it. I just wish he'd posted a link to the comic. Then people could visit it and see what it was really about. Maybe that's why he didn't.

Jay Naylor

Ha ha! I'd just like to say that I did not tell a single lie about the contents of the comic in that article. Not a single word. Oh, sure, I expressed some pretty crazy opinions about what Naylor's motivations were and how his comics might be interpretted. But that's not lying.

DON'T BELIEVE THE NAYLOR HATE MACHINE!!!!11111!!!!!!!








I still hold fast to my conviction that Naylor fucks his sister, though, even if he doesn't have one.

Also, now I see where Webkilla comes from.

the sheer crappiness of the edited dialog baloons is the best part

You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings! You are nothing but unorganized grabasstic pieces of amphibian shit! Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard, but I am fair! There is no sexual bigotry here! I do not look down on lesbians, gays, Bi's or transexuals. Here you are all equally worthless! And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved internet! Do you maggots understand that?

SIR, YES SIR!!!

No, not a lie, but not necessarily the truth either.

I have no love lost with Jay, we've had our issues, but I am one for fair play regardless of which way you go. But least indirectly his point of view has been expressed so, play on.

Do you suck dicks, private Outsider? Well... DO YA!?

Hey ebonyleopard?

STOP FUCKING QUINTUPLE POSTING!!!

I don't know about that part. Sherer doesn't like CYD, that's a matter of record. As for Sherer and Naylor falling out, it started when Sherer posted a comment on his site where he spoke out in favour of gay marriage. Naylor is against that - but the thing with Naylor is, not only is he right wing, he is certain that his political convictions are a result of him knowing The Facts, and anyone having other opinions is someone who doesn't know The Facts - someone who is, quite simply, ignorant and/or stupid (I'm not making this up, Naylor has written it pretty much in those words). So, when Sherer turned out be a liberal, Naylor let it be publicly known that Sherer was a stupid git. Their relationship disintegrated fast from there.

I don't think it had anything to do with gay marriage more than Matt sad something that wasn't exactly pro American courts (him being Canadian and all). More a matter of patriotism than political point of view.

Jay's thinking is that he is always right. I've had many a discussion with him, and have determined two things. One, he believes that he cannot be wrong about anything. Anyone who doesn't share his opinions only does so because they aren't as educated as he is. If they would take the time to study and research the issues as carefully as he has (via conservative-leaning news outlets, of course), they would come to realize that he is absolutely right. The second thing I determined is that he has no sense of tact, or regard for anyone else's feelings. He doesn't care if he's insulting you to your face, as long as he's making you realize that he's right. So his problem isn't that I'm more open-minded, it's that I have continually proven myself incapable of intelligent thought by refusing to bow to his opinions, and he's become tired of trying to educate the unwilling to learn.

As far as seeking out the thoughts of the witer of some comic, I guess that's where I differ then. I could care less about what the writer thought on his none comic work. But then I guess that's why I'm not much of a 'fan' of anyting be it writers, actors, atheletes, ect. With me, it's just entertain me and keep you opinions to yourself. If it isn't entertaining to my taste, then I just don't support it. But then, my need to KNOW isn't that great either. No wonder there's so many tabloid like shows on tv. There's obviously a market for those who want to know.

here's some music to listen to as you read his comics:
http://www.shmorky.com/shmorky-nipntuck.swf

Little more seems to have occurred between Fisk and Lucy than if they were strangers textfucking in a chat room.

Another thing that just dawned on me, looking at his page layouts, is that the world of Better Days is very...... claustrophobic. While in most panels we see some indication of what room the characters are in, there really aren't enough establishing shots to give you a sense of the breadth of the world Fisk inhabits. Thinking back on the pages, I don't believe there are any panels that show what the house he lives in looks like... or what his treehouse looked like. We know what one little corner of his treehouse looks like, but not the whole thing. We don't get a sense of spacial relation as to where it is in his back yard. There is really nothing to give you a sense of scope and location in space in the world the comic takes place in. In the most recent strip, we see Fisk skipping stones across a stream. Well, where is this stream in relation to everything? The reader doesn't need the place mapped out in some Tolkeinesque attempt at defining every last detail of the world.. but it would help to identify with the scene if the reader knew vaguely where it was and how the characters got there. So, there's another thing that brings the comic down in what it attempts to do.

I don't know about that part. Sherer doesn't like CYD, that's a matter of record. As for Sherer and Naylor falling out, it started when Sherer posted a comment on his site where he spoke out in favour of gay marriage. Naylor is against that - but the thing with Naylor is, not only is he right wing, he is certain that his political convictions are a result of him knowing The Facts, and anyone having other opinions is someone who doesn't know The Facts - someone who is, quite simply, ignorant and/or stupid (I'm not making this up, Naylor has written it pretty much in those words). So, when Sherer turned out be a liberal, Naylor let it be publicly known that Sherer was a stupid git. Their relationship disintegrated fast from there.

I don't think it had anything to do with gay marriage more than Matt sad something that wasn't exactly pro American courts (him being Canadian and all). More a matter of patriotism than political point of view.

It's true that Sherer made some less than kind comments on the American politicians opposed to gay marriage, Naylor took offense and bingo. But AFAIK it wasn't so much a matter of patriotism, it was more like "I can't be friends with someone who disagrees with me" on Naylor's part. Sherer commented on the BDK forum:

Jay's thinking is that he is always right. I've had many a discussion with him, and have determined two things. One, he believes that he cannot be wrong about anything. Anyone who doesn't share his opinions only does so because they aren't as educated as he is. If they would take the time to study and research the issues as carefully as he has (via conservative-leaning news outlets, of course), they would come to realize that he is absolutely right. The second thing I determined is that he has no sense of tact, or regard for anyone else's feelings. He doesn't care if he's insulting you to your face, as long as he's making you realize that he's right. So his problem isn't that I'm more open-minded, it's that I have continually proven myself incapable of intelligent thought by refusing to bow to his opinions, and he's become tired of trying to educate the unwilling to learn.

As far as seeking out the thoughts of the witer of some comic, I guess that's where I differ then. I could care less about what the writer thought on his none comic work. But then I guess that's why I'm not much of a 'fan' of anyting be it writers, actors, atheletes, ect. With me, it's just entertain me and keep you opinions to yourself. If it isn't entertaining to my taste, then I just don't support it. But then, my need to KNOW isn't that great either. No wonder there's so many tabloid like shows on tv. There's obviously a market for those who want to know.

Well, I'm inflicted with curiosity. That's why I'm here - I want to find out what makes furries tick. Normally I wouldn't care what a comics author thinks about society in general, but when Naylor makes his characters hold speeches, I thought I'd find out if they were Naylor's own. S'all.

BTW, since that's the case. How so you get the html to work write with the quotes so that what you're quoting is in the white box and your reply is under it?

They only meant your posts following eachother, responding multiple times in a thread isn't the problem. If you respond then edit that current post to add more if somebody else hasn't responded before you, it's only an issue of clutter.

i know i'm going to get hellish replies for this but here it is, from what i've seen he's just some nerd with a retared comic and a perverted mind who wants to be like me and all the other level headed, gun owning, freedom loving, moral independent conservitive but can't cause he fucked in the head. so what if he throws in a couple of right wing lines, that dosen't mean shit. his preverted drawing and retarded stance on life issues in his work speak louder than what he claims to be.

i know i'm going to get hellish replies for this but here it is, from what i've seen he's just some nerd with a retared comic and a perverted mind who wants to be like me and all the other level headed, gun owning, freedom loving, moral independent conservitive but can't cause he fucked in the head. so what if he throws in a couple of right wing lines, that dosen't mean shit. his preverted drawing and retarded stance on life issues in his work speak louder than what he claims to be.

He is expressing right wing opinions in a rather mindless rambling style.

He could be expressing any opinion, but the way he is expressing it is, well, quite not cool.

And, also, who cares.

Who cares? People who find his idiocy entertaining.

Because as we all know, politics should not be argued in any fashion. If we were meant to do that we would have free speech and an internet connection, whoops.

Because as we all know, politics should not be argued in any fashion. If we were meant to do that we would have free speech and an internet connection, whoops.

In my despotic dream world people would just shut up, let the politicians do the arguing and vote.

Better still, ship all the politicians off to oh... FInland, or Greenland, and keep the rest of the world for ourselves. "Planet America" I call it.

or maybe he's just a moron.

Better still, ship all the politicians off to oh... FInland, or Greenland, and keep the rest of the world for ourselves. "Planet America" I call it. ;)

Better still, ship all the politicians off to oh... FInland, or Greenland, and keep the rest of the world for ourselves. "Planet America" I call it.

That sounds like the world today. Except for the politicians living in finland or greenland.

thegunman is right. Naylor's not a conservative, he's fucked up quite a bit.

David Dukes was never an accepted member of American conservatisim but the media never bothered reporting the truth.

The OMG liberal media?

Better:

Better:

I said it once I'll say it again,Jay Naylor is an extearmist -right clone of Taral Wayne...get over it world!

Taral Wayne? How's he come into this?

Crush Yiff Destroy was created in the Something Awful forums.

They're a second rate Something Awful

What is this crap on the Furry Militia forum?

Crush Yiff Destroy was created in the Something Awful forums.

WELL THIS CERTAINLY COMES AS NEWS TO ME! WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME!?

They're a second rate Something Awful

*expires from apoplexy*

...pic...

Oh man I love the whole Tough Love arc. Even more when Mr. Naylor can;t just make the Hyena man a terrorist he also has to make him a rapist and child molester too. Just so you can tell he's evil. Also is the Hyena and Al Queda type terrorist or Black Panther terrorist?

Master Tran


:twisted:

(this image wont be up for long ha ha)

I don't know where they got the idea that this was created by Something Awful except for some SA posters posting here. And yeah, it's nowhere near as good as SA but CYD is another beast entirely.

Are you sure we're not related?

What is this crap on the Furry Militia forum?

Crush Yiff Destroy was created in the Something Awful forums.

WELL THIS CERTAINLY COMES AS NEWS TO ME! WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME!?

They're a second rate Something Awful

*expires from apoplexy*

I don't know where they got the idea that this was created by Something Awful except for some SA posters posting here. And yeah, it's nowhere near as good as SA but CYD is another beast entirely.


(this image wont be up for long ha ha)

(this image wont be up for long ha ha)

10/4/2004 - Before I take off on a serious note, just some light hearted banter: On the Belfry comic index, Better Days has been battling Ozy & Millie for the #6 most subscribed comic slot among registered users all weekend. The idea that I would even be close to such a regarded comic in popularity was something I hadn't thought possible a year ago. Much thanks to all the registered Belfry folks for showing your support.

Choose Better Days. It's not drawn by a closet Pedophile.

-Todd

Reading Naylor's Yahoo group i saw something that really shows up the class of his fans, or should i say lack of class:

Someone says-

10/4/2004 - Before I take off on a serious note, just some light hearted banter: On the Belfry comic index, Better Days has been battling Ozy & Millie for the #6 most subscribed comic slot among registered users all weekend. The idea that I would even be close to such a regarded comic in popularity was something I hadn't thought possible a year ago. Much thanks to all the registered Belfry folks for showing your support.

Then one of the real diehards comes back with THIS-

Choose Better Days. It's not drawn by a closet Pedophile.

-Todd

Choose Better Days. It's not drawn by a closet Pedophile.

-Todd

Choose Better Days. It's not drawn by a closet Pedophile.

-Todd

(The usual goodness)

ZenZhu is awesome....