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Computolio

I must say, I am impressed. That article was great, it reminded me of many things and gave some fresh insight into the furry world.

As for your subject, his mental disorders at least look classifiable; the fact that you met him in real life got you a much better perspective on his behavior. It's really hard to get that detailed a picture of someone like that purely through online behavior monitoring (this is part of why Kim Keister baffled the living fuck out of everyone for so long). If you had only been in touch with him via internet channels, you wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as good an idea as to what his problem was.

Your story compels me to share a similar "real-life furry experience" with you all. This is a post I made to the Something Awful forums many months ago:

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Per NAME DELETED'S request, I've created this lengthy, weird, dumb and slightly embarassing thread about my dealings with one Charles Duke, a classical furry that I've had the strange fortune of meeting in real life. Here's the story:

I'll start from the beginning. Back in 1997, I was about 14 or so and had discovered TEH INTARWEB, marveling at it's incredible bounty of useless information and broken promises about serving mankind. At that time I had become inexplicably enamored with all things relating to "Mrs. Frisby And The Rats Of NIMH", some unusually well-written kid's book about some genetically engineered rodents that had also been made into a rather watchable movie.

I slowly fell in with it's then-inceasing fan community. Much fun was had, but the seeds of horror had been sewn and the journey that eventually wound up with me here telling you this was set in motion. I discovered furries while searching for NIMH-related information.

What I saw of them didn't look too horrible- true, they were weird, but I naively believed that they were merely harmless eccentrics, a belief that would go on for many years until later experience would correct it. No contact was made- I investigated a few things and decided that obsessing over generic anthropomorphic animals just wasn't my thing. All I cared about was NIMH anyway, and I really didn't mind when the two intersected.

Charles Duke was a very early Secret Of NIMH fan. He ran an early fanpage and was quite the furry. Huge crush on Mrs. Brisby, couldn't really draw that well but kept trying anyway, and (later on) developed the oh-so-classic penchant for HOT SKUNK ACTION. Thing is, he was still a nice guy. He didn't really make much of an issue out of it. When I attended a silly little meeting with a bunch of other NIMH fans in 1998, he was there and quite civil. It was fun. He took any attempt to poke fun at his furriness pretty well, and provided me with my first insights into how they think and why they are the way they are.

He maintained his niceness even after a rather unpleasant incident in the opening weeks of 1999. To put it bluntly, he added an "adult section" to his NIMH site. This was my first exposure to furry porn EVER, and although I thought it was the ultimate in wrong then, I now realise that the pictures he had were pretty goddamn tame on the grand scale of things. I should have at least saved the fanfiction, which today would probably kill everybody here with laughter. But the REAL comedy gold on that short-lived extension had to be the roleplay logs of him and his then-girlfriend(1) having HOT HOT TS(2) over the NIMH MUCK(3). The owner of said game wasn't too happy about Charlie breaking it's rules and then posting logs of it, so he had to get rid of them or lose his account there. Shortly afterward, in the face of a substantial negative reaction (4) he pulled it all down.

Eventually forgiven, Charlie continued on his nutty, interesting way. His life's goal was/is to become a commercial airline pilot and he had been making substantial progress towards that end. He has a degree from CalPoly and is working as a flight instructor last I heard. (Before you ask, I have good reason to believe that this isn't bullshit.) He loved video games too and actually had an active outdoor life. In other words, even though he wanted to screw some vaguely attractive cartoon mouse he didn't let it dominate his life.

Over the years that followed, Charlie "fell out" with the rapidly deteriorating Secret Of NIMH fandom. He went even deeper into furrydumb and his NIMH page disappeared (thank god for webarchive.com). He re-surfaced on the internet early this year. His new page is umm, here. Worthy of note: American Tail self-insertion bondage, some topless pic of underage NIMH character Teresa, and HOT SKUNK ON DRAGON PR0N.

I tried to get back in touch with him to try and get some indirect insight into this serious development; it went far beyond relapse. I e-mailed and tried to say the nicest thing I possibly could, but he was rather terse in his reply. A suggestion caused him to completely snap:

> I only have one (probably unwelcome) suggestion- you might want
>to lose the standard "if you don't like it, don't look at it"
>disclaimer. It never works and is seen as insulting by many people.
>It's cliche- trust me on this one. Try something like "this is not
>something everyone is going to like" or "this isn't for everyone" instead.

Are you kidding?? I can't imagine what would be more straight forward than my disclaimer. I could give two shits if it's cliche and I really don't see what's insulting about it. If people get insulted by something like that then they probably shouldn't be looking at furry websites because there are a hell of a lot more out there that are more insulting than mine. My site is meant to be viewed and enjoyed by the open minded fur fan who is seeking out furry art. If someone stumbles on my site by accident they'll see the disclaimer and leave. If they're interested they'll look further, and the image descriptons will give away the subject matter if they don't want to see yiff stuff. I'm gonna leave it at that.

I'd appreciate it if you kept your suggestions about my site to yourself from now on. Please don't bring it up to me again, ever.

I believe that sums it up quite nicely- someone who once took "twisted and weird" as a compliment now repeats the same mechanical fagdance that springs from the ass of just about every miscreant of his type. I lost a friend to furry. A very weird man to be sure, but he was once nice. Remember that before you give him the written fucking up he now so richly deserves.

-duncan

1. It was Myra "Huskie" Boyle. Huskie's quite a spectacular little screwjob. Link ishere. Fun fact: She was more than likely underage when the aforementioned logged MUCK cybersex took place. Of course, it's highly conceivable that she lied about her age the whole time(one look at her page will tell you she's quite messed up), but Charlie would still have plenty of explanation to do.

2. TS = TinySex = Euphemism for furry cybersex over MUCKs.

3. Incidentally, the person who ran the NIMH mudthingy was a class act all the way and ran a clean ship till the end. She was no furry and had no tolerance for crap, although she has many, many haunting stories to tell. Don't think she's interested in telling them here, though.

4. It's rare to have people speak out against this sort of thing, especially in anything EVEN VAGUELY furry-related. Of course, I did most of said speaking, but still.

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I left in his real name in because he left it right on his site; there would be no use in trying to hide it. Also note that the links to his latest site are broken because it disappeared late last year and has yet to reappear.

NAME DELETED's name is deleted because well, I can't tell you at this time. I made an agreement. Sorry for being cryptic, but that's how it is.

Anyone got any other real - life furry stories?

-duncan

Anonymous · Posted: 6/6/2003 1:10:16 PM Post subject: My experiences

Actually that yet again proves what hyper-sensitive mongoloids some become as they descend into a furry. I've been in the fandom since 98-99 when I was in my teens and have made a brief appearance in the burned furs also (aged 16, childish and full of stupid ideas).

First of all, I have noticed that a vast majority of furries are self-centered, egotistic assholes. Compared to the "mundanes", which they seem to so much despise as they got their hair wet in the toilet can by girls in high school, some resemble the worst part of the real world; idle losers whom are full of pride only because they are having the approval of likeminded idle losers. Anyway, the point is, that it is impossible to discuss about anything with these people unless you meet their criteria, just like talking with the most closed-minded individual in the real world.

Pardon the writing, as it's a bit messy. English is not my primary language.

SLaitila · Posted: 6/6/2003 1:15:12 PM Post subject:

Sorry, forgot to log on.

Anyway, as a disclaimer, I have met some intelligent people in furry (mainly in the finnish fandom) whom I have become good friends with. Not all apples are rotten.

Mitch · Posted: 6/6/2003 4:17:49 PM Post subject: EuroFurs

Sorry, forgot to log on.

Anyway, as a disclaimer, I have met some intelligent people in furry (mainly in the finnish fandom) whom I have become good friends with. Not all apples are rotten.

I would just like to put in that I have heard from a good few European furries and they generally seem to be an interesting and fairly sensible lot, especially the German and Scandinavian ones.

However... the English ones I've become aware of seem to be just as weird as the US ones. But then again, England seems determined not to be part of Europe ;)

DA · Posted: 6/6/2003 4:51:34 PM Post subject: Hey...

Not all the English furry fans are weird, I haven't met any that even come close to some of the weirder ones in america.

The reason most british people don't want to join europe is that we're an island state and we've always been an island, not to mention what the great EU has done to countries like germany is just a wee bit off putting :P

I enjoyed the article as well, though i haven't met as many weird furry fans a few do stick in my mind.

The New Meat · Posted: 6/7/2003 5:42:17 AM Post subject:

Thank you, all! I'm glad you enjoyed the article, especially since it was great fun to write. If dredging up that expereince could reasonably be called fun. I've always felt a little bad about mocking him, since, unlike most batshit insane furries who don't suffer from anything beyond egomania or obesity, John was kind of forced to turn to the all-accepting world of furry because of problems beyond his control. After all, it's not his fault that illness kept him from ever learning how to hold a proper conversation. Even so, he still can't hold a candle to the KAKmeister...

Ironically, almost as if he were guided by supernatural forces, John sent me his first email in two years last night. As usual, he wants to know why I don't write but this time he also mentioned he's visiting LA in hopes of pitching a nonfurry-related script idea. Perhaps, unlike Charles, he's escaped the clutches of fagdancery. One can only hope.

Thanks for sharing, Computolio. My condolences on losing a friend. That's truly sad to hear.

I've got ties in Germany and they all hate that stupid Euro. Damn it!

Computolio · Posted: 6/7/2003 6:44:52 AM Post subject:

Thank you, all! I'm glad you enjoyed the article, especially since it was great fun to write. If dredging up that expereince could reasonably be called fun. I've always felt a little bad about mocking him, since, unlike most batshit insane furries who don't suffer from anything beyond egomania or obesity, John was kind of forced to turn to the all-accepting world of furry because of problems beyond his control. After all, it's not his fault that illness kept him from ever learning how to hold a proper conversation. Even so, he still can't hold a candle to the KAKmeister...

I wonder what he'd have to say upon seeing it... has he advanced to the point where he'd understand, or would he be embarrassed and indignated to the max? I kind of hope we don't have to find out either way.

Ironically, almost as if he were guided by supernatural forces, John sent me his first email in two years last night. As usual, he wants to know why I don't write but this time he also mentioned he's visiting LA in hopes of pitching a nonfurry-related script idea. Perhaps, unlike Charles, he's escaped the clutches of fagdancery. One can only hope.

Thanks for sharing, Computolio. My condolences on losing a friend. That's truly sad to hear.!

Thanks. It's like watching someone you like/respect get ensnared in the clutches of an awful, creepy horrendous cult and there's not a hope of being able to do a goddamned thing about it. It's one of many experiences I've had with the furry "fandom" that I don't plan on getting over anytime soon.

I can't tell if he's getting even worse as we speak or is stabilizing. Recent Google adventures have led me to his VCL directory and that of someone who appears to be his new girlfriend. Note the violent contrast in competence and subject matter. Also note the furspeak in some of Charlie's images- not just ordinary furspeak, but some kind of minimalist ultra-furspeak that sounds like goddamned baby noises.

This guy demonstrates a classic, classic furry paradox- he's a sexual exhibitionist, but only if supportive people are watching. Frankly, he can do what he wants, but by this point he's accepted Furry as his Personal Savior and thusly he will allow few people who want nothing to do with The Fandom to talk to him. He's a whole completely new person now, and the change has been radical and devestating.

At least he has more than a sufficient amount of social skills - more than enough to allow a potential escape route from the Furry Cult once he wakes up to the lies and filth. Not gonna happen anytime soon, but for now at least he's somewhat happy.

-duncan

Tussan · Posted: 6/7/2003 11:29:19 PM Post subject:

that new girl friend of his looks alot like big blue fox.

Genghis · Posted: 6/8/2003 12:46:10 PM Post subject:

I think I remember seeing that guys artwork somewhere before. I think it was the time the PoE crowd animated his 9/11 tribute and set it to the tune of "Kung-fu fighting".

As far as the whole "descent into furry" goes, the nearest thing I've come to witnessing anything like that was the downward spiral of JJcoolJ. Surprising as it may seem, before he got into the furry fandom it was actually possible to chat with him online without wanting to rip his head off. Okay, he was a bit fucked up in the head, but Ive seen worse. However, when he got involved with the psycho hose-beast that is furry... Well, you can see the results for yourself. A couple of people from SA tried to sort him out (myself and Lothian that I know of for certain, maybe a couple of others as well), but to no avail. He interpreted our attempts to bring him back to sanity the wrong way, and in the end we had to take proactive measures to get him to go the fuck away. The rest, as they say, is history.

Also, SO D33P AND 3DGY

The New Meat · Posted: 6/8/2003 7:56:45 PM Post subject:

I wonder what he'd have to say upon seeing it... has he advanced to the point where he'd understand, or would he be embarrassed and indignated to the max? I kind of hope we don't have to find out either way.

I was probably too harsh on him in the article. For all his quirks, he's a decent guy and he never seemed to take himself that seriously. In fact, I remember now that one email mentioned he joined a roleplaying group and was disgusted at its members' lack of hygiene, so he was never completely lost to the dark side. Plus, his recent script idea, while it's so bizarre and convoluted that few studios would probably be willing to take a chance on it, is actually interesting enough that I might even pay money to see it in a theater. In any event, a black comedy/ horror flick about Satanists fighting Illuminati fighting magicians is a step up from Lion King sequels and Road Rovers/Tiny Toons cross-overs.

Since I seem to be one of the few people who's not hip and with it with the SA crowd, what's the deal with JJ Cool J? I gather that he's a big furry idiot but what's he done besides inventing the world's lamest handle?

BTW, Genghis, your comic about the otherkin griffin is hilarious! I laughed all night after reading that.

Anonymous · Posted: 7/5/2003 9:30:18 AM Post subject:

Heh, genghis. You'll be happy to know that JJCoolJ, or Jazzy as he's called on Furnet, is harboring ambitions of a return. He started an SAFurs channel. And he's been talking about ideas for making some kind of movie to impress the hell out of the SAGoons with the expectation that they'll welcome him back.

No worries, though. Some goons, as well as a few remarkably stable furs, hang out there. And they're more than happy to give him a hard time.

I should quit posting on all these old threads.. oh well, slow night.