Crush...Yiff...Destroy!

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Why? Because the X-Files are out of production and can't feature it. :)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/24/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main574930.shtml

"Helgenberger prepared to dish on the new season of "CSI - Crime Scene Investigation.” Fans can expect more stories of murder and mayhem, where the truth is always stranger than fiction.

With a smile on her face, she explains, “There is an episode that's coming up that explores the world of plushies. Have you ever heard of that?”

A plushie?

Helgenberger continues, “It's apparently people who enjoy having sex being dressed up in little furry costumes: Squirrel-girl, ha.”

Chen says she had never heard of that. “Nor had I. Nor had I!” Helgenberger exclaims. “Don't ask me why they're called plushies or why they get off doing what they do.” "

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

well hirtes, im sure you know

but in case anyone else missed it
that DarkFox and a bunch of other SoCal furries
got in there and had the script altered from its original format
its supposed to be 90% better for furies than it used to be

sounds like he actually handled it professionally, and did a pretty good job
a bunch of furies jumped on him as soon as word got out he was being consulted for the show

heres some links if anyone wants to check it out:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/dark_fox/17425.html

http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1640&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

some moron on flayrah (furries on tv story on flayrah) was suggesting furries send letters to CSI and CBS about helgenberg, whatever her name is, about her comments

fuckin boneheads

they shoulda just thanked darkfox for doing what little damage control he could and left it at that

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

Darkfox said:

"I have confidence that this will not turn out to be another ER"

Well, of course not. You think the producers are going to say "We're gonna make such laughingstocks out of you that even your grampa's corpse will come out of the ground just to scratch his last name off the tombstone."? No, they're gonna butter these suckers up like they've done since the days of LOADED. The media is NOT your friend. All these clods have done was add an air of authenticity to their episode.

Do you actually think that a major network and a major film studio that's in charge of a popular, highly-rated program is going to allow a bunch of fanboys to come in and rewrite a script till the furries are satisfied with it?

"Yeahyeahyeah. Have the part where Sabrina Skunk flies off to defuse the bomb left at the orphanage, and can you see if you can stick in a scene where Michael Hirtes & Shawn Keller are conspiring with Al Queda? That'd be cool. Yeah."

This is gonna turn out to be yet another KA-BOOM for the furries. "Fool me once..." or "fool me twice...." is one thing, but "Fool me the one hundred and twenty third time......"?

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

no, i agree with you except for one thing , this is just a tv show - furry is basically just being used as an "interesting" setting for the same plot the show has every week (or whatever, i dont watch this show or that much tv at all)
its not the same as those magazine articles or anything else
i dont think the ER one was that bad ...in fact it was pretty accurate (well enough anyway)

these guys at CSI, doing this show, they may want consultants...they dont know or care about furry or furries, they just wanna make an entertaining show
BUT, in not knowing alot about they dont know how much the rest of the public knows about it either ...SO they are not going to want to produce something that gonna leave the audience confused or feeling something was misrepresented/inaccurate (we're talking about furry, but i would apply this to any subject that a tv show was gonna be about)
basically they are not gonna want to look stupid by the time its done

but i think darkfox at least had a professional attitude about it, he was just trying to prevent as much bad portrayal as he could. wasnt trying to justify anything ...like he said he just comprimised with them - he couldnt make it GOOD for the fandom at all

darkfox, i looked thru his livejournal a little, he doesnt seem like that much of a fanboy ...just into video games and shit
who knows

i guess well just have to wait and see what the episode is like, im willing to take his word though that whatever it is, it probably an improvement over what it was

"Yeahyeahyeah. Have the part where Sabrina Skunk flies off to defuse the bomb left at the orphanage, and can you see if you can stick in a scene where Michael Hirtes & Shawn Keller are conspiring with Al Queda? That'd be cool. Yeah."

lol

"Fool me once..." or "fool me twice...." is one thing, but "Fool me the one hundred and twenty third time......"?

ya well i got into an arguement with a few people on flayrah over that , on how fucking stupid they are for doing this type shit, and a few other issues

i was saying darkfox did a good thing for the most part, but chrismouse in the original newsitem: suggesting to mail CBS and hat actress about it was a terrible idea ..started this big thing..whatever...the main point i was making over there was that darkfox was sticking up for the fandom / damage control - a lot different than eg. ostrich or any of these other fuck-ups sticking up for thier own twisted shit, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they look like complete fools...which is what generated the worst press IMO ...

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

Wow. was talking to some friends about what if Special Victims Unit (That Law & Order spin-off with all the really fucked up sex crimes.) ever did a Furry episode. This could almost be as bad...

Incidentally, did anyone catch the episode of Drew Carry that made references to furries in it? I caught it one night and have heard almost nothing out of the fandom on it.

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

these guys at CSI, doing this show, they may want consultants...they dont know or care about furry or furries, they just wanna make an entertaining show

but i think darkfox at least had a professional attitude about it, he was just trying to prevent as much bad portrayal as he could. wasnt trying to justify anything ...like he said he just comprimised with them - he couldnt make it GOOD for the fandom at all

darkfox, i looked thru his livejournal a little, he doesnt seem like that much of a fanboy ...just into video games and shit
who knows

Well, my Spidey sense tells me that Darkfox is in for one bigassed lesson in the cold harsh reality that is Hollywood. Unless he was able to be there at EVERY scene that was shot, he's not going to be certain that the show doesn't slip in some stuff that DF isn't gonna be too proud of.

As much as the furries think this is going to improve the rep that the fandom has, it's not going to. The fandom has been too badly contaminated with the likes of Merlino, Rund, Groat, and Kevin Duane to be salvaged. Another Heaven and Earth will have to pass before furry fandom could ever be legit again.

I think my suspicions will be confirmed that the producers have played Dark Fox & gang like a harp.

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

A man is found dead and is still dressed in a Raccoon suit. He's part of a group of people called "Furries" who dress up for sexual pleasure.

From Dark Fox's LiveJournal.

By the time I saw the script, they already ordered fursuits and have locations set. The set deign was being done. I brought them some pictures of a con that I took and they looked at the dealer's den, and said "whoa this isn't what I expected" and that is when I said "THIS is Furry. No one is screwing in fursuits on a table. Fursuiters are like the celebs of a con." Then they looked at each other and said "This isn't going to work" That is when I said "Not in accordance with the script. But we are like Anime Expo, comics/plush/videos are what we sell. Not bondage gear and modified Meekos." The set designer was happy to see we were normal and the costume department were happy since they don't have to modify the plushies or fursuits. Then the director said "More eye candy, well even if you quit now we are filming THIS" pointing at the draft script. I was thinking "Son.. of... a... bitch"

And Crassus Destanion's LJ.

The resulting episode.. how can I describe it.. .. it makes the MTV article look like a stroll in the park, in my opinion. They're asking for furries to be extras for the 'convention' scene. I'm trying not to let my fears go wild in my imagination as to what this scene is going to look like. The plot of the episode basically deals with fursuit sexxors and murder plus unfortunate circumstances. This irks me, because once again furries are being portrayed as a bunch of fursuiters .. who have sex at conventions. The thing that /really/ irks me though, is that this is a chance for us to really make a difference in how we're portrayed, for once, and I feel like we still don't have any control over the situation. Furry is a subculture, and subcultures are supposed to have political influence to at least a tiny degree. We have none of that. As a result, we let the media walk all over us in their ignorant scripts and faulty concepts.. no wonder I've never seen a good, real, documentary or essay or dramatic interpretation of us.

Anonymous · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 767

i was saying darkfox did a good thing for the most part, but chrismouse in the original newsitem: suggesting to mail CBS and hat actress about it was a terrible idea ..started this big thing..whatever...the main point i was making over there was that darkfox was sticking up for the fandom / damage control - a lot different than eg. ostrich or any of these other fuck-ups sticking up for thier own twisted shit, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they look like complete fools...which is what generated the worst press IMO ...

If you look at the flayrah article, it says:

“In addition, it appears that a southern California furry fan by the name of Dark Fox is advising on the script”

Now that’s just begging for all the crackpots and sillywigs to get upset and make trouble for DarkFox, If you look at the flayrah comments, People already made Ad Hom attacks and abuse. As if it really mattered.

‘Tis shameful.
A stiff letter to the daily telegraph is called for.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

what i really wanna know is

how in the hell can such a small group of people generate such a fucking ridiculous amount of fucking INTERNATIONAL news
in ALL forms of media no less
print, cartoons, documentarys, fictional tv shows

christ

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

what i really wanna know is

how in the hell can such a small group of people generate such a fucking ridiculous amount of fucking INTERNATIONAL news
in ALL forms of media no less
print, cartoons, documentarys, fictional tv shows

christ

You got to ask yourself how much media coverage is initiated by "disgruntled" ex-furries wanting to make trouble, and maybe naive furries who want to "spread the word" or "set the record straight". Plus of course furry is all over the Internet in massive disproportion to its actual size, always being chewed over on Portal of Evil and Something Awful for instance (a hell of a lot of people will have heard about furry exclusively from the latter) and word tends to spread of anything "unusual" online.

Disclaimer: or something like that.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

ya

well i posted message on aff about it ...hasnt shown up just yet

but basically fri an order of comics came in from one of my favorite cartoonists

and guess what
this comic i wanted since it came out in 2002 sometime , i finally get it

and the last 19 fucking pages (of 48!... and this is a comic filled with little comic strips that are 1-3 pages usually) is totally dedicated to a brutal shot on furry
(maybe the last 7-9 pages it goes off into a sort of tangent because its a story but still)

holy fuck

and i like this guy for his tasteless comedy style too

but it fucking hurt

and now ive been spending time since fri lashing at out at these fuckers
because im not blaming this cartoonist that i like, not at all
im still gonna buy every book he prints

im blaming the people that created the bad press that makes this type of shit pop up, and ruin my day

i mean the comic is REALLY funny, and its totally ripping on furry in the fucking worst way...(imagine the meaness of skunk the humor of shawn keller's and add teeth)
with almost no apology whatsoever ...in fact i could only find 2 panels where it lets up ever so slightly and its almost undetectable

but because i like furry art and furry comics
it felt like getting kicked in the nads by someone you respect and admire
and it really fucking pissed me off towards furry

so thats why i been hostile lately

just in case your wondering
im pretty sure there are no furries aware of it...or ive never heard it brought up
its probably WAY under furries' radar (and probably a lot of others)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

I think I know which comic you mean, Mouse, from what you said a little while back. If so, it was brought up on a.f.f. way back last year. You'll find the posts if you search on Google Groups, there wasn't a lot of screaming and moaning over it on a.f.f., but there certainly was on rec.arts.comics.strips.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

I think I know which comic you mean, Mouse, from what you said a little while back. If so, it was brought up on a.f.f. way back last year. You'll find the posts if you search on Google Groups, there wasn't a lot of screaming and moaning over it on a.f.f., but there certainly was on rec.arts.comics.strips.

yeah, so it was

i was just being cautious because i didnt want be the one to kick off some shitstorm over a comic from last year

thinking about it a little more, i think there are furies who all they do is just constantly rove the internet for any and all references to furries
i think if you write anything about furries or say about about furries
furries will find out about it and it will be all over thier news sites/whatever

so im kind of wondering iif theres ever been a reference to furries in some sort of media that furries have been largely unaware of ?

anyone who doesnt know what it is im talking about

im a big fan of jason yungbluth's cartoons and deep fried comics
and it was "Deep Fried: We're #1!" i finally got around to buying, cuz he had some special sale with the release the TPB of the collected deep fried (which is still going on right now i think: www.whatisdeepfried.com)

Mitch · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 290

It's strange that "Deep Fried" didn't get any sort of reaction on alt.fan.furry back when the preview appeared online. I really expected a complete freakout, given the furore that "PVP Online" and "Penny Arcade" caused back in the day, but a.f.f. just more or less ignored it.

so im kind of wondering iif theres ever been a reference to furries in some sort of media that furries have been largely unaware of ?

Hah, if the Ulan Bator Gazette & Advertiser had two paragraphs on furry you can bet your boots it'd be picked up by someone and mentioned on a.f.f.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE I TELL YOU!! ALL OVER THE WORLD!!! *puff* *pant*

Also, a couple of pages of the "Deep Fried" comic you mention are online here.

The New Meat · Coadjutor Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 327

Whoa, I think I know that Darkfox. Of course, about 80% of all furries cal themselves Darkfox (or some equally original variant), I'm probably wrong.

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

Ahhh, Deep Fried. Like Dork/Eltingville Club and many others it's one of those comics where it's not a question of IF they'll make sweet, sweet fun of furries, but WHEN.

mouse · Coadjutor Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 662

Ahhh, Deep Fried. Like Dork/Eltingville Club and many others it's one of those comics where it's not a question of IF they'll make sweet, sweet fun of furries, but WHEN.

ya i guess...it still caught me off guard for some reason

ive never read those other 2 comics you mention

i first started reading yungbluth's stuff in the buffalo beast newspaper
in fact the first strip i seen was
Rags, the WTC flag's rockin 9/11 anniversary party
"its gonna be terror-ific!"
it was really refreshing actually, and started picking up the beast mainly for deep fried (for some reason i didnt think of going to the website for a while)

i just really like his art style and humor and everything

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

What would be really cool is if the murderer was actually a psychopathic "Burned Fur" nutter, who did it as a hate-crime...

I'm all for publically exhibiting more than one of the sad, sad, facets of Furry...

Michael Hirtes · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 519

What would be really cool is if the murderer was actually a psychopathic "Burned Fur" nutter, who did it as a hate-crime...

I'm all for publically exhibiting more than one of the sad, sad, facets of Furry...

Eric Blumrich
In the library
With a revolver

Computolio · Coadjutor Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 349

What would be really cool is if the murderer was actually a psychopathic "Burned Fur" nutter, who did it as a hate-crime...

I'm all for publically exhibiting more than one of the sad, sad, facets of Furry...

PROTIP: Never put the words "Burned Fur" in the same sentence as "hate crime". Ever.

Chris Baird · Coadjutor Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 78

PROTIP: Never put the words "Burned Fur" in the same sentence as "hate crime". Ever.

Don't worry.... As an Australian citizen, I'm outside the juristicion of any bogus FBI investigations the kooks like Dan Flavhive try to throw at me.