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Charisma
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Posted: 11/22/2004 8:11:09 PM     Post subject: The advertising power of furries  

Thanks to The New Meat's input into my last topic 'Anthro Adverts' (I would have posted this there if it wasn't locked for some reason) I decided to do a small essay on Joe Camel and how using a 'cool' anthro character can corrupt consumers.

In case you don't know the story which I found quite interesting, this is what I wrote as part of the Anthros in Advertising project I'm doing:

Since 1987, advertising and promotions for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company in the U.S.A. were centered around a cartoon character either referred to as "Old Joe," "Smooth Character" or "Joe Camel." Joe Camel became instantly recognizable to the young and old as the symbol for Camel cigarettes and had quickly “become as recognizable to kids as Mickey Mouse” .
It could be that R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co had realized the importance of younger adults in the smoking industry and deliberately manipulated the market in such a way, that they knew under-eighteens would be attracted as consumers. Statistics show that only less than one third of all smokers in the U.S. start after age eighteen and only 5% of smokers start after age twenty-four. Therefore, younger adult smoking habits of today will determine the trend and industry volume throughout the next few decades .
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission believed that R.J. Reynolds was very aware of the importance of young adults in the cigarette industry and specifically abused the power of the cartoon character in order to illegally attract minors. The FTC Then charged that the Joe Camel advertising campaign violated federal fair trade practice laws by “promoting a lethal and addictive product to children and adolescents under the age of 18” .
Minors’ attentions were captured when Joe Camel could be seen doing all the “cool” things that young adults do, such as surfing and skateboarding. It was tactics such as these which caused a $470 million increase in annual sales for RJR Nabisco . But on 10 July, 1997, RJ Reynolds Tobacco Co retracted its Joe Camel Campaign and was ordered to help fix some of the damage done by creating ‘corrective advertising’ campaigns in order to reinstate the fact to minors that smoking is harmful and can lead to death.
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Posted: 11/23/2004 1:38:16 AM     Post subject: Re: The advertising power of furries  

Thanks to The New Meat's input into my last topic 'Anthro Adverts' (I would have posted this there if it wasn't locked for some reason) I decided to do a small essay on Joe Camel and how using a 'cool' anthro character can corrupt consumers.

In case you don't know the story which I found quite interesting, this is what I wrote as part of the Anthros in Advertising project I'm doing:

Since 1987, advertising and promotions for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company in the U.S.A. were centered around a cartoon character either referred to as "Old Joe," "Smooth Character" or "Joe Camel." Joe Camel became instantly recognizable to the young and old as the symbol for Camel cigarettes and had quickly “become as recognizable to kids as Mickey Mouse” .
It could be that R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co had realized the importance of younger adults in the smoking industry and deliberately manipulated the market in such a way, that they knew under-eighteens would be attracted as consumers. Statistics show that only less than one third of all smokers in the U.S. start after age eighteen and only 5% of smokers start after age twenty-four. Therefore, younger adult smoking habits of today will determine the trend and industry volume throughout the next few decades .
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission believed that R.J. Reynolds was very aware of the importance of young adults in the cigarette industry and specifically abused the power of the cartoon character in order to illegally attract minors. The FTC Then charged that the Joe Camel advertising campaign violated federal fair trade practice laws by “promoting a lethal and addictive product to children and adolescents under the age of 18” .
Minors’ attentions were captured when Joe Camel could be seen doing all the “cool” things that young adults do, such as surfing and skateboarding. It was tactics such as these which caused a $470 million increase in annual sales for RJR Nabisco . But on 10 July, 1997, RJ Reynolds Tobacco Co retracted its Joe Camel Campaign and was ordered to help fix some of the damage done by creating ‘corrective advertising’ campaigns in order to reinstate the fact to minors that smoking is harmful and can lead to death.


What's amusing is mostly from what I remember, the Joe Camel ads were ignored in the fandom. Why? No one finds them sexy, not even the Star-Wars anthro ones.
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Posted: 11/23/2004 2:59:26 AM     Post subject:  

LOOK AT HIS NOSE

LOOK AT IT
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Posted: 11/23/2004 3:27:18 AM     Post subject:  

I found pics of guy's ball sacks , when lookin' for Joe Camels... =P

And these. =)



Hmm... how bout Jay's gun safety -book! =)
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Posted: 11/23/2004 3:44:41 AM     Post subject:  

That eagle looks scary. The early pics gives me the creeps.
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Posted: 11/23/2004 4:25:17 PM     Post subject:  

I AM A PHOTOREALISTIC BIRD IN A BALL CAP! DO AS I SAY, CHILDREN!

Alas... when they revised him, they apparently made him a flaming queen.
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Posted: 11/23/2004 8:16:09 PM     Post subject:  

He looks kind of like a rooster now.

Also how come I never find guns lying around on the table? :(
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Posted: 11/24/2004 5:52:18 PM     Post subject:  

From Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership

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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:14:31 PM     Post subject: Re: The advertising power of furries  



What's amusing is mostly from what I remember, the Joe Camel ads were ignored in the fandom. Why? No one finds them sexy, not even the Star-Wars anthro ones.


Very true. I wonder why that is? Maybe because camels arnt very sexy. But then again, I wouldn't expect an eight-breasted horse with tenticles to be sexy either.
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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:34:00 PM     Post subject:  

Cigarettes? Guh.


Blurry but still DAMN TASTY
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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:44:33 PM     Post subject:  

Unless those cigars were gotti's I'd just assume stick with the Camel filters :)
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Posted: 11/24/2004 8:56:48 PM     Post subject:  

Unless those cigars were gotti's I'd just assume stick with the Camel filters :)


They're Don Diego, Montecristo, La Flor, and Onyx reserve. They are damn decent. >=(
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Posted: 11/24/2004 9:59:46 PM     Post subject:  

I used to smoke, but then I turned 16 and it wasn't fun anymore because it was legal :(
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Posted: 11/24/2004 10:12:34 PM     Post subject:  

Unless those cigars were gotti's I'd just assume stick with the Camel filters :)


They're Don Diego, Montecristo, La Flor, and Onyx reserve. They are damn decent. >=(



heh, a gotti isnt a brand... :)
yeah, Im sure those are good though, I just dont like cigars myself.

but I can't understand how the two, cigars and cigarettes, can be so vastly different since they have the same stuff inside ... weird.
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Posted: 11/24/2004 10:54:31 PM     Post subject:  

but I can't understand how the two, cigars and cigarettes, can be so vastly different since they have the same stuff inside ... weird.


Cigars you taste. Cigarettes you suck down for the nicotine. Cigarettes you inhale, cigars you don't.

Cigars are wrapped with tobacco, filled with tobacco, and flavored with tobacco.

Cigarettes are wrapped with paper, and loosely filled with a combination of shitty american tobacco, additives for preservation, additives to make sure it doesn't go out, and additives to flavor it.
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Posted: 11/25/2004 2:56:36 AM     Post subject:  

The main reasons cigars are different is because the tobacco is VERY well monitored to be just about perfect, they're specially aged, and they have been developed to have good flavors. As opposed to cigarettes which were designed as a cheap nicotine delivery system.
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Posted: 11/25/2004 3:02:37 AM     Post subject:  

And I heard Some brands are rolled by nekkid exotic girls.. between their boobs! =)
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Posted: 11/25/2004 6:26:33 AM     Post subject:  

Cigars are wrapped with tobacco, filled with tobacco, and flavored with tobacco.

Cigarettes are wrapped with paper, and loosely filled with a combination of shitty american tobacco, additives for preservation, additives to make sure it doesn't go out, and additives to flavor it.


nonono,

I know that, what Im saying is - I LIKE tobacco. legitimately. Im addicted to cigarettes, but I do enjoy Camel's turkish tobaccos. honest. If I was smoking Marlboros or newports or some shit - I'd agree.

In fact I would actually try to quit if RJ Reynolds stopped making Camel filters/Turkish Royals etc. I wont settle for less :) Well.. maybe sometimes I would settle for less. :)

At the same time tho - I always think cigars smell pretty rank, where I find cigarette smoke smells good. Sweet pipe tobacco smells really nice too. (too me anyway)



Also some of those cuban cigars have coke and/or marijuana in them. (the marijuana often just because it may tend to grow in close proximity to the tobacco crops)
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Posted: 11/25/2004 2:23:11 PM     Post subject:  

And I heard Some brands are rolled by nekkid exotic girls.. between their boobs! =)


This may be true, but I doubt they roll them anywhere else but the rolling panels.

Also some of those cuban cigars have coke and/or marijuana in them. (the marijuana often just because it may tend to grow in close proximity to the tobacco crops)


And I'm pretty sure this is a myth, unless you're smoking some crazy backwater cuban cigar. Pre-embargo cuban cigars were made by extremely professional companies that shipped to all parts of the world. After the embargo, it's possible some 'independent' rollers sneak out some stock that has other things in them, but the big companies (who are all nationalized now :( :( :( :() still produce professional cigars. They're crap, but they still produce them.

Generally the only good cuban cigar is from before the embargo. After that, communism kind of absolutely fucking ruined the crop and soil situation over there, and the growers can't grow that high-quality tobacco that everyone raves about to this day.

Thanks alot you filthy reds! :x
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Posted: 11/25/2004 7:21:53 PM     Post subject:  

Generally the only good cuban cigar is from before the embargo. After that, communism kind of absolutely fucking ruined the crop and soil situation over there, and the growers can't grow that high-quality tobacco that everyone raves about to this day.

Thanks alot you filthy reds! :x


Yeah... the best tobacco now is Nicaraguan or... I think Dominican... grown with Cuban seed.

I think aficionados like it even better than pre-embargo Cuban.
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Posted: 11/25/2004 8:30:34 PM     Post subject:  

Say what you will, I say cigars and cigarettes smell like shit.
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Posted: 11/25/2004 8:49:54 PM     Post subject:  

You know who else was anti-smoking, don't you?

...The nazi's

:(


What??? Are we back in Nazi germany now?!?!
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Posted: 11/26/2004 12:12:04 AM     Post subject:  

You could always try pipe smoking.
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Posted: 11/26/2004 2:19:17 AM     Post subject:  

You could always try pipe smoking.


That reminds me, I been meaning to try crack, but I believe its called a 'stem' not a 'pipe' :)
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Posted: 11/26/2004 4:22:36 AM     Post subject:  

Pipe smoking went out fifty years ago.
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Posted: 11/26/2004 5:16:46 AM     Post subject:  

Pipe smoking went out fifty years ago.

Some folks consider it to be en vogue still.. just like how some folks think it makes them cool to dress up in period clothing and go play in a vacant parking lot and use a lot of "thee"s and "thou"s.. or how other folks consider it to be en vogue to get married dressed as Klingons.

Really, though, I've heard people find a man with a pipe to be distinguished. That's why I always carry a 4' piece of metal tubing.
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Posted: 11/26/2004 7:28:57 AM     Post subject:  

I go for the russian l&m:s, it's a lot cheaper to get cigs from there than in the eu. Also, no annoying warning signs in'em.
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Posted: 11/26/2004 7:37:05 AM     Post subject:  

I go for the russian l&m:s, it's a lot cheaper to get cigs from there than in the eu. Also, no annoying warning signs in'em.


In Canada, the cigs have disturbing pictures on the packs. Like autopsy photos and whatnot.

i thought they did that in Europe too.

There was some fucking whiny guy travelling around the world trying to get that to become a law everywhere.



Im with dennis Leary on the whole smoking thing...

of course... he quit smoking now ..
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Posted: 11/26/2004 3:49:29 PM     Post subject:  

I smoke a pipe, too. When it comes to some awesome flavoring, nothing beats smoking flavored pipe tobacco. Flavored cigars never really do it for me because they always have this "artificial" taste to them. Irish creme or cherry pipe tobacco actually tastes damn good.

And the whole "distinguished antique gentleman" thing is kind of a running joke with me and my pipe buddies. We'll be playing Halo or poker or something while smoking and toss around things like "Old bean" and "jolly show my good man, your plasma rifle was quite painful" all in an exaggerated English accent.

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Yeah... the best tobacco now is Nicaraguan or... I think Dominican... grown with Cuban seed.

I think aficionados like it even better than pre-embargo Cuban.


Actually, there generally isn't a "best" tobacco from any one country. It all depends on what you want. Different countries have different climates and soil conditions, and impart different characteristics to tobacco. Nicaraguan tobacco is know as being fairly spicy, dark, and strong, while Dominican makes up most filler tobaccos, since they tend to burn very nicely and cleanly, and are best when it comes to construction. A single cigar can have multiple countries of tobacco in it.

Most of the flavor is actually determined by how they grow the tobacco, not where. Shade grown tobacco (which is the norm) creates your typical, nice and smooth cigar, while sun-grown tobacco makes th cigar woody, strong, and spicy.
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Posted: 11/26/2004 4:23:23 PM     Post subject:  

I go for the russian l&m:s, it's a lot cheaper to get cigs from there than in the eu. Also, no annoying warning signs in'em.


I just bought a pack of stickers today that are used to put over the warning signs and say something 'pro'-smoking instead. Things like:

Smoking supports the NHS
My gran smokes 40 a day and shes 93
Please don't tell my mum
It might never happen
You've got to die of something
It's ok, I'm not pregnant
At least I don't smoke crack
Sorry, only one left

and my favourite one, 'Nobody likes a quitter'
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Posted: 11/27/2004 2:11:08 AM     Post subject:  

Some good Latakia and Perique blends with a few aromatics like Chocolate and Rum&Maple, and I'm happy.

No, it is not a matter of retro anything. We pipe smokers tend to smoke for the flavor and aroma, we tend to collect the pipes as a hobby, and that's about it.

BTW, you didn't see any cigars or cigarettes in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. You DID see churchwarden pipes. I have one myself. Very cool and mild smoke, very relaxing after a long day. And any of the re-enactors in the crowd should be familiar with clay pipes which you can still get. I have two on my shelf right next to me.
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Posted: 11/27/2004 2:42:54 PM     Post subject:  

Latakia


That would be the north-african type tobaccos, right? I still haven't tried those but I hear they can be quite good.
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Posted: 11/29/2004 3:02:41 AM     Post subject:  

Latakia


That would be the north-african type tobaccos, right? I still haven't tried those but I hear they can be quite good.


Tobacco fire or smoke cured rather. Usually from Syria or Cyprus. Perique is curiously strong all by itself. Found in St. James Parish, Louisiana. Due to a combination of the variety of tobacco used as a base, the soil it is grown in, and the pressing method used after harvest.

To illustrate relative power, the Yahoo Pipe Smoker's group actually has had blends made specifically for them by a tobacco company such as Rocking Chair. You will never see Warner Bros. make a cartoon just for furries, no matter how many Yahoo groups they have. Maybe Dow Chemical will make a poison just for Juggalos to prevent them from having any more groups though.
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Posted: 11/29/2004 4:49:48 AM     Post subject:  

To illustrate relative power, the Yahoo Pipe Smoker's group actually has had blends made specifically for them by a tobacco company such as Rocking Chair. You will never see Warner Bros. make a cartoon just for furries, no matter how many Yahoo groups they have. Maybe Dow Chemical will make a poison just for Juggalos to prevent them from having any more groups though.


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