I can understand jerking off to it when its free, but a pay site?!

Wel, people who pay for porn are morons, and most furries are morons, so it works out.

Anyway, I think he still has the chance to leave all this crap, to stop drawing stuff that appeal a few hundreds of people to draw things with appeal to millions, to leave the fandom and find a job as a graphic designer, cartoonist or animator. Trouble is...

... he doesn't want to.

Nowadays, he seems unable to draw anything without sexualizing it...

(have you SEEN him try to draw a human lately?).

(have you SEEN him try to draw a human lately?).

Why? what do his humans look like? I don't think I've ever seen him draw one.

Thank you for entirely missing the point of the post. This is EWS, the guy who says wether or not you are allowed to do a 'tasteful' buttshot of his characters, promoting this!

Sabrina - Female skunk, short white hair, wears glasses.
Sabrina is shy and easily embarrassed, and enjoys collecting and computers.
Nudity: Sabrina is rarely fully unclothed, but may be depicted in the nude, but only 'tastefully' and not explicitly so. No visible nipples or genitalia. Her fur covers those areas on her body.
Sexuality: If Sabrina is to be depicted in sexual contact, it should only be with her boyfriend, R.C. The raccoon, or possibly Chris Foxx, from the fanfiction continuity (Contact writer Chris Yost for permission in this case) No explicit depictions of sex. Sexual contact should be soft and downplayed, preferably obscured or 'under the covers'
Note: If you wish to do a public work with Sabrina in the nude or in a sexual situation, please check with me first before posting it.

Ya know everytime I see that DiscreetFX art Eric did .. I just cannot get over how terribly fucked the legs are in that picture.

It almost seems like a mistake. Like he shouldve fixed that before he sent them the pic. Maybe its because someone here a while ago pointed out that Eric cannot draw human legs or something but thats all I can see in that pic now.

What's the differance between how (non-digitigrade) 'furry' legs would be drawn versus human legs? Aren't they pretty much the same?

I don't see much wrong with the anatomy there, it's just a bit over-stylized like one of the later Warner Bros. characters (think Freakazoid!, or Hello Nurse from Animaniacs). Some of the Justice League Unlimited related series also have that problem from time to time.

Id agree looking at the overall picture. But look at the leg thats prominent. Look at the knee area or the shape. It looks way off to me every single time I see it. Its probably mostly because he has that little line that comes into the leg shape at the knee. It creates some weird perspective or something

Gee, and I have TDK porn of Sabrina here. Go figure.

Oh Eric-chan. -_-;

Ok, so Eric IS fucked between the ears, yes? More for the pay-per-porn or for the content? You decide.

This website created and designed by Eric W. Schwartz ©2004. HTML files and web graphics created using Amiga computers and software. All artworks are copyrighted to their respective creators

No, I'm not kidding.

Eric is trying to join the ranks of Bernal and the other furry-porn-less-than free-ilk.

A cursory examination states:

"Fur After Dark was built by Eric Schwartz, and showcases his artwork and comics, many of which are not available anywhere else. Another featured artist of Fur After Dark is the insanely talented Max the Black Rabbit, and his exclusive art and comic work will be available here as well. This site will also have artwork by other guest artists in the future.

It's early yet, but Fur After Dark is set to become a prime source for sexy anthro art and other diversions. Don't believe us? Just continue to the next page for a tiny taste of what can be found in the site itself".

Oh, goody. So now EWS is milking his friends, as well as his fans, to try to turn a quick buck on his old dumps.

..what do you want to bet the first 'guest' artist will be TDK?

I can understand jerking off to it when its free, but a pay site?!

Thank you for entirely missing the point of the post. This is EWS, the guy who says wether or not you are allowed to do a 'tasteful' buttshot of his characters, promoting this!

Footnote: Dark Katte, the mascot of this side, is aparrently the 'girlfriend' of our very own Tamar.. Dammit, Shawntae, I lovereed U!11!!!! :cry:

I can understand jerking off to it when its free, but a pay site?!

Thank you for entirely missing the point of the post. This is EWS, the guy who says wether or not you are allowed to do a 'tasteful' buttshot of his characters, promoting this!

Footnote: Dark Katte, the mascot of this side, is aparrently the 'girlfriend' of our very own Tamar.. Dammit, Shawntae, I lovereed U!11!!!! :cry:

Dude, he couldn't even if he wanted to. There's no room for him in the animation industry and his furry exploits are far too well-known.

Dude, he couldn't even if he wanted to. There's no room for him in the animation industry and his furry exploits are far too well-known.

I don't get your point of his furry exploits are too well-known. If EWS drew humans and was a popular underground comic artist his underground exploits would just add to his portfolio.

There are a number of artist in the animation and comic industry that came from the underground and for the most parts their employers don't care as long as the can follow their orders.

There are a number of artist in the animation and comic industry that came from the underground and for the most parts their employers don't care as long as the can follow their orders.

Right, but as the subject of half the threads and articles on this site, furries by and large tend to be absolute cripples when it comes to any social situation. They dont get the animation jobs (or whatever) not because they drew furry porn or are furries - they don't get the job cuz they blow the interview bigtime.

You can say that about the community it self, it is mostly just a sub of the larger comic community yet tries to go it alone and puts a wall to the rest of the comic community. Think how more logical it would be if you went to a Comic Con and there was furry artists tring to sell to comics to comic readers instead of just the furry community. Take Sam&Max the main characters are a dog and a rabbit yet most of Sam&Maxs fans are outside the furry community.

You can say that about the community it self, it is mostly just a sub of the larger comic community yet tries to go it alone and puts a wall to the rest of the comic community. Think how more logical it would be if you went to a Comic Con and there was furry artists tring to sell to comics to comic readers instead of just the furry community. Take Sam&Max the main characters are a dog and a rabbit yet most of Sam&Maxs fans are outside the furry community.

Alas, it's unlikely that will happen, because that would mean, among other things, leaving fetishes and other quirks private. And many furs prefer to be vocal (and loud) about those.

Dude, he couldn't even if he wanted to. There's no room for him in the animation industry and his furry exploits are far too well-known.

I don't get your point of his furry exploits are too well-known. If EWS drew humans and was a popular underground comic artist his underground exploits would just add to his portfolio.

If someone's 'underground exploits' are good, they can add to their portfolio. Erics TDK stuff is a complete embarassment, only partially because what it is - mostly because he's an ass.

But, if a potential employer catches wind of his work as TDK, that presents the image of someone that not only obsesses a little too much on cartoon animal poon

There's also a difference between being "underground," and Eric's rips of Minvera Mink getting tentacle raped. If his work as TDK was limited to his own characters, he could pass it off as "underground." But, if a potential employer catches wind of his work as TDK, that presents the image of someone that not only obsesses a little too much on cartoon animal poon, but also does not respect the intellectual properties of other studios. That's a little like hiring a convicted bank robber to work as a bank teller.

That's a little like hiring a convicted bank robber to work as a bank teller.

Schwartz I believe has already lost a gig with Gateway (back when they had the Amiga properties) for that very reason.

That's a little like hiring a convicted bank robber to work as a bank teller.

Back when I was 14-15-16 years old I was getting mixed up in all sorts of credit card related..stuff ( :wink: ). A few years down the road from that, Im working with credit cards every single day with access to databases with millions of accounts with all the information I could ever dream of getting back then. Only now all that info is worthless to me, things change.

or, CANT A MAN START OVER !?! :)

You can say that about the community it self, it is mostly just a sub of the larger comic community yet tries to go it alone and puts a wall to the rest of the comic community. Think how more logical it would be if you went to a Comic Con and there was furry artists tring to sell to comics to comic readers instead of just the furry community. Take Sam&Max the main characters are a dog and a rabbit yet most of Sam&Maxs fans are outside the furry community.

Thats what I've been saying forever.

I think furry fandom should be dissolved and its components bitchslapped back into its respecting subgenres of SF/F, comics and Anime.

Maybe they could try again someday when they are ready

But that's what I've been saying, the whole concept that a fandom is something that can be bitchslapped is crazy. It's not a living entity, a fandom is just a group of people that happen to have a simliar interest in something. There's totally nothing organized about it, otherwise a place like this full of furry (in relation to liking anthro stuff) 'fans' wouldn't exist. There isn't even a 100% agreed on definition of just what furry means/is.

A fandom only is what the people in it choose to make it. If a bunch of people said, furry is liking cartoon animals that have humaniod form and enough of them get together agreeing on that way of thinking, then poof, you got a fandom.

I don't know why people keep insisting there's this big corporate like being out there called furry that is contoled by some big wig behind a curtain.

Frankly, I think sometimes you all on both sides take this stuff way to seriously, if you even get to that point to begin with. It's friggin cartoon animals people.

But that's what I've been saying, the whole concept that a fandom is something that can be bitchslapped is crazy. It's not a living entity, a fandom is just a group of people that happen to have a simliar interest in something. There's totally nothing organized about it, otherwise a place like this full of furry (in relation to liking anthro stuff) 'fans' wouldn't exist. There isn't even a 100% agreed on definition of just what furry means/is.

A fandom only is what the people in it choose to make it. If a bunch of people said, furry is liking cartoon animals that have humaniod form and enough of them get together agreeing on that way of thinking, then poof, you got a fandom.

It's friggin cartoon animals people.

The point is I find it is easier to talk about furry outside the furry community then in. For example comic cons are much bigger (Comic Cons usally host the anime and animation community) and I can talk about Watership Down,Sam&Max Secret of NIMH, Animals of Farthing-Wood,ect without being limmited to furry meaning it is wide enough to also talk about Megas XLR, Justice Leage, Fairly Odd Parents,ect as the community is more rounded.

On the flip side the furry community is focused on it self making the convetions mean spending money and time to ONLY see and talk about furry with mostly people that make comic nerds look cool and you feel kinda sad for the artist hooking up to the community that are selling them selves short. Sure the furry community will rub their ego and tell them how great they are but furry is not as big of a market as the comic community.

The growing fanbase among people too young to legally buy adult material doesn't help the mix any when you offer them up free porn on VCL. It just encourages them to fixate on the easily-obtainable adult material and produce their own. Like I said, monkey see.. monkey do.

In fact, I'm almost down to believe that the furry porn attracts more people to check out this fandom than the whole "inner animal" schtick.

The point is I find it is easier to talk about furry outside the furry community then in. For example comic cons are much bigger (Comic Cons usally host the anime and animation community) and I can talk about Watership Down,Sam&Max Secret of NIMH, Animals of Farthing-Wood,ect without being limmited to furry meaning it is wide enough to also talk about Megas XLR, Justice Leage, Fairly Odd Parents,ect as the community is more rounded.

See, the trouble that would present to furries, is that, while you can talk about quality examples of anthropomorphism in comics, literature, and cartoons..... such a setting would mean you can't talk about "happywriggles," scritches, your misplaced dragon spirit, or how you have to wear Depends because you've let your dog fuck you in the ass too many times. And, for furries, if you can't talk about that stuff... what's the point? I once heard some friends at a comic shop talking about a gal they met at DragonCon in Atlanta that apparently believed she was a Vorlon that had had her memory largely wiped and was sentenced for some transgression to live in a human body on Earth.

See, if you walk into a room full of furries and say something like that, you will get a lot of folks agreeing that is entirely possible, and maybe even a few that suddenly decide they might be in a similar predicament. Walk into a room full of your average SF fans and say that, and you will get laughed out of the room.... and probably told by a few how such a thing is a scientific impossibility according to Babylon 5 canon.

On the flip side the furry community is focused on it self making the convetions mean spending money and time to ONLY see and talk about furry with mostly people that make comic nerds look cool and you feel kinda sad for the artist hooking up to the community that are selling them selves short. Sure the furry community will rub their ego and tell them how great they are but furry is not as big of a market as the comic community.

There's another kicker... furrydom couldn't survive in the average comic community. Not only would it be such a niche market as to have no way of stacking up against comics in general, but most "professional" furry artists couldn't keep up with the work pace of the comic/fantasy art world in general. That'd be kind of like a little league T-ball player trying to cut it at the World Series.

There's another kicker... furrydom couldn't survive in the average comic community. Not only would it be such a niche market as to have no way of stacking up against comics in general, but most "professional" furry artists couldn't keep up with the work pace of the comic/fantasy art world in general. That'd be kind of like a little league T-ball player trying to cut it at the World Series.

I agree the furry community seems to protect artist starting out but when their skills devlop it limmits them and makes it hard for them to jump over to the larger comic community thus they get stuck in the furry community.

Indeed. There are many talented furry artists out there that could not draw a human to save their life. What they don't realize is to be successful in comics and illustration, you have to be able to draw anything on demand... even if you've never drawn it before.

What I don't understand is how something like this could be remotely profitable. Even though there may be a small following of fans of his comic strip, what percentage of them would bother to pay twelve dollars a month to see his chars on an x-rated site, even with guest artists? After the costs of hosting and the effort of maintaining and updating it, it hardly seems that there would be enough revenue generated to buy a couple of pizzas and a case of beer. And chances are that the second some Sibe/FXC/whateverthefuck gets a subscription, even more of the potential profit will be shot to hell since the subscriber base would already be miniscule.

God knows. Bernal claims to make $75K a year off sexyfur.com, but he has signifigantly more "talent" than EWS in that the characters he draws have some semblance of appeal outside of furry, he can draw some non-furries who just have a "fur fetish" and are unaware of the fandom in.

God knows. Bernal claims to make $75K a year off sexyfur.com, but he has signifigantly more "talent" than EWS in that the characters he draws have some semblance of appeal outside of furry, he can draw some non-furries who just have a "fur fetish" and are unaware of the fandom in.

Theres also a huge benefit in just being the first to do something.
Bernal was the first for a pay-furry-porn site right ?


I looked at the prices on Schwartz' site, and they seem out of whack

A year membership with a site like Suicide Girls (for ex, the only one I know :) ) is the same price as Schwartz' 3 month membership ...and SG is a hell of a lot more popular, has more content, and they put on live shows in cities around the country (even where I live)

I just don't think Eric has the business sense to succeed at this little venture of his.

Indeed. There are many talented furry artists out there that could not draw a human to save their life. What they don't realize is to be successful in comics and illustration, you have to be able to draw anything on demand... even if you've never drawn it before.

A year membership with a site like Suicide Girls (for ex, the only one I know :) ) is the same price as Schwartz' 3 month membership ...and SG is a hell of a lot more popular, has more content, and they put on live shows in cities around the country (even where I live)

Still others go off at the mere idea that someone criticised art, like omg art and artests are inviolate and heaven forbid anyone say anything less than glowingly complimentary about them.

I just recently got told I'm an asshole because I have standards :lol: and they wonder why their idols never get famous. :P

Paul, regarding Groening... yeah.. lots of artists have their niche without needing to really broaden the scope of their skill. Many of them have a gimmick that works for a while. Many newspaper comic strip artists have a limited scope of ability. But, with someone like Groening, the real thing he's selling is his ideas. In his "Life is Hell" comics, the art just supported the humor, rather than vice versa. With The Simpsons and Futurama, Groening is the mastermind behind it, but the art draws on the work of many people. So, Groening really hit his success with his ideas, rather than his artistic talent.

Still others go off at the mere idea that someone criticised art, like omg art and artests are inviolate and heaven forbid anyone say anything less than glowingly complimentary about them.

I just recently got told I'm an asshole because I have standards :lol: and they wonder why their idols never get famous. :P

That is and always has been one of furrydom's biggest downfalls. You will see artists asking for comments on their work, but then they fly to pieces when you say anything less than positive about their work. They will quickly say they were looking for constructive criticism, when, really, they're just wanting accolades.

If you say something like "You have a good sense of anatomy, but the pose is a little static." you will have scores of angry furries descending upon you like chimpanzee paratroopers because you dared to suggest that something about the picture wasn't absolutely perfect. They're not looking for constructive comments, they're just wanting comments like "OMG, HAWT!" or "Nice pic " or "Great stuff! *download*." Of course, since they can't take even constructive criticism, they never listen to the comments, and, hence, slow down their learning curve greatly.

I don't know about a newspaper strip. Like you said, the porn stuff is a big factor in that

It could, however, probably make it in a magazine dedicated to Amiga users

, or even in some of the gaming magazines, since Sabrina is a gaming/computer/SF/toy geek's wet dream. There are also strong elements of 'net culture in there, which might give it appeal to readers of magazines dedicated to said culture.

I don't know about a newspaper strip. Like you said, the porn stuff is a big factor in that... but also all of the drippy sentimentalism about Amy the Squirrel's life that nobody but Amy fans from the early Amiga days gives a rat's ass about. There's not enough in the strip to really speak to the masses.

It could, however, probably make it in a magazine dedicated to Amiga users, or even in some of the gaming magazines, since Sabrina is a gaming/computer/SF/toy geek's wet dream. There are also strong elements of 'net culture in there, which might give it appeal to readers of magazines dedicated to said culture.

Yhea if EWS retooled it a bit Sabrina could run in a number of geek related mags.

It ran for a while in Amiga Format: looky here.

Still others go off at the mere idea that someone criticised art, like omg art and artests are inviolate and heaven forbid anyone say anything less than glowingly complimentary about them.

I just recently got told I'm an asshole because I have standards :lol: and they wonder why their idols never get famous. :P

That is and always has been one of furrydom's biggest downfalls. You will see artists asking for comments on their work, but then they fly to pieces when you say anything less than positive about their work. They will quickly say they were looking for constructive criticism, when, really, they're just wanting accolades.

Still others go off at the mere idea that someone criticised art, like omg art and artests are inviolate and heaven forbid anyone say anything less than glowingly complimentary about them.

I just recently got told I'm an asshole because I have standards :lol: and they wonder why their idols never get famous. :P

That is and always has been one of furrydom's biggest downfalls. You will see artists asking for comments on their work, but then they fly to pieces when you say anything less than positive about their work. They will quickly say they were looking for constructive criticism, when, really, they're just wanting accolades.

I've known non-furry artists like that. One that comes to mind is a lady who exclusively draws countless pictures of Mega Man X as a vampire. Let's just say her anatomy and poses need work. Anyway, she gets infuriated when you question why ALL she draws is Mega Man X sucking ze blood, and his literally interenet-yelled at people not to giver her ANY negative criticism.

All of the talk got me curious, so I peeked back at Sabrina Online. Looking at the stories and such, for one, I'm surprised Sabrina doesn't slap ZigZag with a sexual harassment suit. It may be my imagination, too.. but I think Schwartz has actually gotten worse. Not to say his style has deteriorated.. although it's definitely stagnated since about, oh, 1989. But, as the strips progress, they actually look more and more sloppy. Maybe he's just rushed or something.. and Schwartz's work has always had a certain sloppiness to it.. but the linework in the recent strips is just pathetic. There's a difference between style and turning out a cheap product.

...
The bad thing about webcomics is, once you start them, you're almost obligated to continue them, whether you really want to or feel like it or not. That is if you particularly care about your web comic and its readership.

All of the talk got me curious, so I peeked back at Sabrina Online. Looking at the stories and such, for one, I'm surprised Sabrina doesn't slap ZigZag with a sexual harassment suit. It may be my imagination, too.. but I think Schwartz has actually gotten worse. Not to say his style has deteriorated.. although it's definitely stagnated since about, oh, 1989. But, as the strips progress, they actually look more and more sloppy. Maybe he's just rushed or something.. and Schwartz's work has always had a certain sloppiness to it.. but the linework in the recent strips is just pathetic. There's a difference between style and turning out a cheap product.

Maybe I'm just tired, but the mental concept of what you just typed sounds extremely funny, especially if you read it out loud.

I mean, the combination alone Mega Man + Vampire cracks me up. Especially if it's drawn like the old Mega Man sprite character.

There is a Amiga Mag? Thought they all died out as the Amiga community is pretty messed up with delusions of rebirth (At least Atari STers, C64es,ect know they're retro).

I simply can't stomach Sabrina Online. There's really very few webcomics that inane and pathetic, or folks as inane and pathetic as Schwartz. I can't read far enough into it to even criticize it beyond yelling "Oh, enough already!" at the screen before X'ing off the window with that god forsaken comic on it.

Schwartz, for the love of God get your dick out of your OWN CARTOON CHARACTER's ass and get a fucking girlfriend.

Maybe I'm just tired, but the mental concept of what you just typed sounds extremely funny, especially if you read it out loud.

I mean, the combination alone Mega Man + Vampire cracks me up. Especially if it's drawn like the old Mega Man sprite character.

Nah, it's Mega Man X, but still pretty funny, especially in the "angst ahoy" nature of it. Of all the ways one can express their depression over life, drawing bloody pictures of a vampiric Mega Man X would be the LAST thing I would see coming. It keeps conjouring images of a little Metool dressed like Van Helsing...

Still others go off at the mere idea that someone criticised art, like omg art and artests are inviolate and heaven forbid anyone say anything less than glowingly complimentary about them.

I just recently got told I'm an asshole because I have standards :lol: and they wonder why their idols never get famous. :P

That is and always has been one of furrydom's biggest downfalls. You will see artists asking for comments on their work, but then they fly to pieces when you say anything less than positive about their work. They will quickly say they were looking for constructive criticism, when, really, they're just wanting accolades.

I've known non-furry artists like that. One that comes to mind is a lady who exclusively draws countless pictures of Mega Man X as a vampire. Let's just say her anatomy and poses need work. Anyway, she gets infuriated when you question why ALL she draws is Mega Man X sucking ze blood, and his literally interenet-yelled at people not to giver her ANY negative criticism.

I simply can't stomach Sabrina Online. There's really very few webcomics that inane and pathetic, or folks as inane and pathetic as Schwartz. I can't read far enough into it to even criticize it beyond yelling "Oh, enough already!" at the screen before X'ing off the window with that god forsaken comic on it.

Schwartz, for the love of God get your dick out of your OWN CARTOON CHARACTER's ass and get a fucking girlfriend.

Maybe I'm just tired, but the mental concept of what you just typed sounds extremely funny, especially if you read it out loud.

I mean, the combination alone Mega Man + Vampire cracks me up. Especially if it's drawn like the old Mega Man sprite character.

Nah, it's Mega Man X, but still pretty funny, especially in the "angst ahoy" nature of it. Of all the ways one can express their depression over life, drawing bloody pictures of a vampiric Mega Man X would be the LAST thing I would see coming. It keeps conjouring images of a little Metool dressed like Van Helsing...

Well, I think comments directed towards a comic strip are far and warranted. Like you said in a previous one, if you don't like it, why are you still reading it (it's like picking at a scab that's trying to heal).

But personal attacks towards a person you really don't know save for a comic strip or artwork is a bit much no? I mean, a lot can be said about many folks who post here, which I'm sure does not reflect the type of person they are in real life (at least I certainly hope that's the case).

The man is a mentally underdeveloped dickhead.

I don't know about a newspaper strip. Like you said, the porn stuff is a big factor in that... but also all of the drippy sentimentalism about Amy the Squirrel's life that nobody but Amy fans from the early Amiga days gives a rat's ass about. There's not enough in the strip to really speak to the masses.

It could, however, probably make it in a magazine dedicated to Amiga users, or even in some of the gaming magazines, since Sabrina is a gaming/computer/SF/toy geek's wet dream. There are also strong elements of 'net culture in there, which might give it appeal to readers of magazines dedicated to said culture.

I hate Sabrina Online for that. Reading the strip is like reading Eric's "what I wish I could have in a woman" fantasy. That and most of the characters which keep people reading the strip are characters Eric didn't even create. He's not an imaginative fellow.

Oh har har har.

I guess they could all fall under behavior and actions, but you know what I mean. The man is a mentally underdeveloped dickhead.

Oh har har har.

I guess they could all fall under behavior and actions, but you know what I mean. The man is a mentally underdeveloped dickhead.

Why, what has he done to you to be a dickhead?

Why, what has he done to you to be a dickhead?

You don't need someone to do something to you to see what they're like. Do you need Jeffrey Dahmer to wear your flesh on a coat for you to see he's a psycho? No. Does Christina Agu-whatever have to fuck you before you see that she's a total slut? No. You just see it plain as day. Same with Schwartz. From the way he behaves, you can tell he's a hypocritical dick.

You don't need someone to do something to you to see what they're like. Do you need Jeffrey Dahmer to wear your flesh on a coat for you to see he's a psycho? No. Does Christina Agu-whatever have to fuck you before you see that she's a total slut? No. You just see it plain as day. Same with Schwartz. From the way he behaves, you can tell he's a hypocritical dick.

So far the stories of him being a I've read of him being a dickhead consists of him:

1. Being ashamed enough of some copyright infringing porn he drew years ago that he doesn't want to fess up to it

2. Wanting to keep Sabrina porn from being all over the net, essentially diluting the uniqueness of his only current means of employment

3. Being a bit of a slob

and

4. Not really paying a great deal of interest to strangers coming up to him and saying things unless they seem interested in buying his stuff.


Clearly the man is not merely "less than perfect", but a monster that eats baptist babies by the truckload.

Nice try...

Yeah, I read those before I posted. Still not seeing what makes the man a dick. Ashamed of something he did and unwilling to fess up? Sure. Willing to enforce a double standard in order to pay his bills? Sure. But come on, I'm sure we've all seen/met way worse. I know I have.

For the reconrd I met him, once. He seemed nice enough. And he said hello to me, even though I didn't ask to buy anything from him (and didn't buy anything from him in the end).

Wow! He said hello?! My God the man is a SAINT!

Yeah, hypocrisy, lying, and enforcing a double standard don't make the man a dick. He can do what he wants with anyone else's characters, yet in his little mind, that doesn't go both ways. Nah, but he's still a helluva guy, right?

And the fact that he's fucking AWFUL at this "double identity" thing doesn't shine a favorable light on his intelligence.

He has no tact. Simple as that. Hell, he is the Anti-Tact.

Near as I can tell he only ever had a real problem with people drawing one particular one of his characters. The one that's essentially his flagship char. And who, I'm guessing, isn't on his new pay site.

Yeah, he has some guidelines he's given for the other characters, but the only one he's ever made a stink over was Sabrina. Why? Because if someone draws Disney erotica it's not (lets be realistic here) doing the company much harm financially. Wheras I have no problem seeing a free licence to do Sabrina porn hurting Schwartz.

It may seem like picking nits, but I really do see an important distinction here that I think should be considered before going overboard on how much of a hypocrite he is.

Oh har har har.

I guess they could all fall under behavior and actions, but you know what I mean. The man is a mentally underdeveloped dickhead.

Why, what has he done to you to be a dickhead?

You don't need someone to do something to you to see what they're like. Do you need Jeffrey Dahmer to wear your flesh on a coat for you to see he's a psycho? No. Does Christina Agu-whatever have to fuck you before you see that she's a total slut? No. You just see it plain as day. Same with Schwartz. From the way he behaves, you can tell he's a hypocritical dick.

Wow! He said hello?! My God the man is a SAINT!

Yeah, hypocrisy, lying, and enforcing a double standard don't make the man a dick. He can do what he wants with anyone else's characters, yet in his little mind, that doesn't go both ways. Nah, but he's still a helluva guy, right?

And the fact that he's fucking AWFUL at this "double identity" thing doesn't shine a favorable light on his intelligence.

He has no tact. Simple as that. Hell, he is the Anti-Tact.

Yeah, hypocrisy, lying, and enforcing a double standard don't make the man a dick. He can do what he wants with anyone else's characters, yet in his little mind, that doesn't go both ways. Nah, but he's still a helluva guy, right?

I'd say it had more to do with people drawing the adult Sabrina haivng sex with her little child sister Tabatha. I'd say that'd be enough to make anybody over protective and a bit peeved. That's sick even if they are cartoon characers.

How do I put this..? "You're not very well versed with the true situtaton, so please stfu until you know more"

... After the (deserved) success he received for the Aerotoon, Amy, and Flip cartoons, EWS when almost straight into drawing hardcore furry porn. He's not some poor innocent Artist who was fucked-over by spoogefans ART RAPEing his characters

-- 'TDK' was drawing totally mysoginistic smut (Gadget + Wood Screws...) and was a Darling of the Furry Spooge Scene, second only to Doug Winger (because DW published more in public, whereas EWS' stuff had to be bought through conventions or warezed).

Read the articles section of CYD now. huh?

... Yeah, I read those before I posted.

My understanding (and this is pure heresay, mind) was that, prior to 2001, he essentially just said "Well I can't vouch for the other creators, but please don't draw porn of Sabrina herself, and for the other characters use your best discretion." Then he came across something (supposedly with Tabitha) that made him regret assuming furdom HAD a "best" discretion and sat down to write out the F.A.Q..

How do I put this..? "You're not very well versed with the true situtaton, so please stfu until you know more" ... After the (deserved) success he received for the Aerotoon, Amy, and Flip cartoons, EWS when almost straight into drawing hardcore furry porn. He's not some poor innocent Artist who was fucked-over by spoogefans ART RAPEing his characters-- 'TDK' was drawing totally mysoginistic smut (Gadget + Wood Screws...) and was a Darling of the Furry Spooge Scene, second only to Doug Winger (because DW published more in public, whereas EWS' stuff had to be bought through conventions or warezed). The since-deleted TDK Yahoo group was the major 'Agenda Setter' for cartoon-studio-character porn.
Read the articles section of CYD now. huh?

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

If you ask me for my opinion about Eric Schwartz, I would say he's the paradigm of the of furry fandom's history.

Eric Schwartz is a talented artist who could have had -at least- a decent career. His career started in 1989, and he had an increasing popularity after a few years. Actually, he's the -first- artist you are going to see when you open the -first- issue of The American Journal of Anthropomorphics from 1993, a professional-level book created with the purpose of showcasing the most promising artists from the furry fandom, back when the it was just a promising nest of artists willing to push the concept of anthropomorphics further.

Eric was asked to have a key job on "Earth Force", an animation project by Vision Entertainment. Among other things, he was in charge of character design, a key role on any animation job.

Eric's personal situation couldn't be more promising. He was a popular artist and it seemed all of that was just the start of a bright career.

Unfortunately, it wasn't. The Earth Force project never got the green light, and Eric himself got stagnated, preferring to live up to his popularity on the furry fandom instead of concentrating on the animation world. He probably had faith on the fandom and hoped that it would eventually grow enough to appeal a bigger audience, thus allowing artists like him to survive... But the truth is that the fandom started to transform him.

I'm sure that a lot of graphic artists, regardless of their belonging furriness or lack of, draw erotica from time to time. We human beings are complex, and so is our sexuality, and since artists have the ability to shape those sexual fantasies, regardless or how kinky or weird they are, why not trying it?

However, common sense dictates that, in general, those drawings are to be kept private and well hidden from anybody's sight, and in particular, those people that could hire you. However, by reasons I've tried to explain before, sexuality is pretty blatant in the furry fandom, and spooge is extremely easy to find, especially on furry conventions, where you interact with warped people..., the kinkier the stuff you draw, the better. And, if you're weak, it's very easy to lose control... to try drawing a spoogey pic some day... to see your fans enjoy it... to draw some more, to create an alternate personality to do it... and again and again... until you realize that your chances to have a job on the animation world are gone for good.

That the chances to get the recognition proportional to your own talent are gone for good.

That your chances to earn a decent wage, to have a house, a wife, a life, are all gone for good.

Eric W. Schwartz could have had a life, but he traded it for 15 minutes of fame the moment he decided to show 'that naughty pic' to some friend. The porn site he just opened is the final nail on his coffin. And this saddens me to no end, because his talent deserved much, much more than a meager quarter of hour.

I'd say he's traded it more to take care of his sickly mother and father who get worst by the day, personally.

I'd say he's traded it more to take care of his sickly mother and father who get worst by the day, personally.

Hence the... porn!?

Of course that's what I assume. But then, who can really say for sure what the motives of another human being for doing what they do is. We could speculate all day about why folks do what they do. Like why you do the type of animal art you do (toony style notewithstanding, you do excellent backgrounds, but the big eyes always kinda freaked me. But then, I've never been one for eyes half the head size).

If you ask me for my opinion about Eric Schwartz, I would say he's the paradigm of the of furry fandom's history.

Eric Schwartz is a talented artist who could have had -at least- a decent career. His career started in 1989, and he had an increasing popularity after a few years. Actually, he's the -first- artist you are going to see when you open the -first- issue of The American Journal of Anthropomorphics from 1993, a professional-level book created with the purpose of showcasing the most promising artists from the furry fandom, back when the it was just a promising nest of artists willing to push the concept of anthropomorphics further.

Eric was asked to have a key job on "Earth Force", an animation project by Vision Entertainment. Among other things, he was in charge of character design, a key role on any animation job.

Eric's personal situation couldn't be more promising. He was a popular artist and it seemed all of that was just the start of a bright career.

Unfortunately, it wasn't. The Earth Force project never got the green light, and Eric himself got stagnated, preferring to live up to his popularity on the furry fandom instead of concentrating on the animation world. He probably had faith on the fandom and hoped that it would eventually grow enough to appeal a bigger audience, thus allowing artists like him to survive... But the truth is that the fandom started to transform him.

I'm sure that a lot of graphic artists, regardless of their belonging furriness or lack of, draw erotica from time to time. We human beings are complex, and so is our sexuality, and since artists have the ability to shape those sexual fantasies, regardless or how kinky or weird they are, why not trying it?

However, common sense dictates that, in general, those drawings are to be kept private and well hidden from anybody's sight, and in particular, those people that could hire you. However, by reasons I've tried to explain before, sexuality is pretty blatant in the furry fandom, and spooge is extremely easy to find, especially on furry conventions, where you interact with warped people..., the kinkier the stuff you draw, the better. And, if you're weak, it's very easy to lose control... to try drawing a spoogey pic some day... to see your fans enjoy it... to draw some more, to create an alternate personality to do it... and again and again... until you realize that your chances to have a job on the animation world are gone for good.

That the chances to get the recognition proportional to your own talent are gone for good.

That your chances to earn a decent wage, to have a house, a wife, a life, are all gone for good.

Eric W. Schwartz could have had a life, but he traded it for 15 minutes of fame the moment he decided to show 'that naughty pic' to some friend. The porn site he just opened is the final nail on his coffin. And this saddens me to no end, because his talent deserved much, much more than a meager quarter of hour.

I'd say he's traded it more to take care of his sickly mother and father who get worst by the day, personally.

Im not in the field or anythign, so maybe Im totally wrong.. but I really fail to see how drawing porn of any kind is the end of any career.

Ive pointed out before. People who really know how to talk to people can get what they want (a job, friends, girls, whatever, anything.)


Yeah, theres going to be discretion involved on the part of an employer. Like if your REALLY well-known for really fucked up art they might not want your name on the top of a production, but its not like they couldnt use a pseudonym for you if it that was that bad (and the key being they wanted to hire you). Reed Waller ran into some stuff cuz he was known for doing Omaha and far as I heard thats basically what they did.

If Eric wanted to work in animation Im sure he could. I think the reason that he isn't is that the jobs just arn't there in quantity coupled with the fact he cannot provide what an employer wants (thats my guess).

Hey, all I want is a high paying union factory job like Ford or General Motors and apperently even thats too much to ask these days.

Eric W. Schwartz could have had a life, but he traded it for 15 minutes of fame the moment he decided to show 'that naughty pic' to some friend.

Eric W. Schwartz could have had a life, but he traded it for 15 minutes of fame the moment he decided to show 'that naughty pic' to some friend.

Maybe this could be a stumbling block if he was interested in going into animation. But frankly, the way the big companies are hiring, that career is a longshot no matter what.

But comics? Phil Foglio, Fred Perry and others are doing pretty darn okay for themselves in that industry. Nothing's stopping Eric from trying to go down that route.

Im not in the field or anythign, so maybe Im totally wrong.. but I really fail to see how drawing porn of any kind is the end of any career.

But comics? Phil Foglio, Fred Perry and others are doing pretty darn okay for themselves in that industry. Nothing's stopping Eric from trying to go down that route.

Oh and Shawn gots his own studio now!

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

Well, would you want to see porn of a character that's supposed to be a child? :?:

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

Well, would you want to see porn of a character that's supposed to be a child? :?:

Well, if I am properly deciphering your message through the static of inanity that seems to be obscuring its relevance, then I am assuming you are asking if I would rather see a child character as opposed to Minerva Mink or Fifi la Fume. Mind you, as Donnie pointed out, Fifi is a child. She may not be Baby Looney Tunes pedobait, but the character is definitely intended to be a minor.

Ebony is (I think) referring to the fact that some spoogemongers have produced XXX pix featuring Sabrina's little sister. Whether to deliberately annoy EWS or (God forbid) to serve as actual jerk fodder - who can say? The point I think being that Eric forbade this in his "Guidelines" which IIRC he composed after a certain pic materialized wayyy back in the day featuring Sabrina and her sister. Now in that pic it looked as though the kid sister had innocently wandered in on "the action" and was about to yell out "WHATCHOO DOIN??" but nevertheless it offended a lot of folk.

Ooo.... Let's whack Ebon with soaps, wrapped in towels, at nite! =)

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

Well, would you want to see porn of a character that's supposed to be a child? :?:

Well, if I am properly deciphering your message through the static of inanity that seems to be obscuring its relevance, then I am assuming you are asking if I would rather see a child character as opposed to Minerva Mink or Fifi la Fume. Mind you, as Donnie pointed out, Fifi is a child. She may not be Baby Looney Tunes pedobait, but the character is definitely intended to be a minor.

Ebony is (I think) referring to the fact that some spoogemongers have produced XXX pix featuring Sabrina's little sister. Whether to deliberately annoy EWS or (God forbid) to serve as actual jerk fodder - who can say? The point I think being that Eric forbade this in his "Guidelines" which IIRC he composed after a certain pic materialized wayyy back in the day featuring Sabrina and her sister. Now in that pic it looked as though the kid sister had innocently wandered in on "the action" and was about to yell out "WHATCHOO DOIN??" but nevertheless it offended a lot of folk.

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

Well, would you want to see porn of a character that's supposed to be a child? :?:

Well, if I am properly deciphering your message through the static of inanity that seems to be obscuring its relevance, then I am assuming you are asking if I would rather see a child character as opposed to Minerva Mink or Fifi la Fume. Mind you, as Donnie pointed out, Fifi is a child. She may not be Baby Looney Tunes pedobait, but the character is definitely intended to be a minor.

Your question has about as much relevance to my point as bringing up how mandarin oranges have no relation to mandarin collars during a discussion on airplane mechanics. But, to answer it, I would certainly say no.

Besides, are you suggesting that if Eric didn't do Minerva Mink or Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pictures OR, conversely, allowed Sabrina porn, that the ONLY alternative would be for him to do porn of kiddie characters? If you weren't relatively inept at this whole message board gig, I'd assume that question was a diversionary tactic.. but, while I respect your thoughts and presence here, I just don't think you're savvy enough at this game for that. So I can only assume the question comes from left field.

Let me see if I can clarify the intent of my post.

EWS/TDK does pictures of Minerva Mink, Babs Bunny, Fifi la Fume, other studios' properties et. al. being tentacle raped or whatever... figures no harm, no foul.

EWS insists he is not TDK and is as pure as the new-fallen snow.

EWS rabidly insists Sabrina is beyond the grasp of the spooge hounds, and comes after anyone that dares touch his characters in an adult sense with a hot fire-poker. What's good for the goose is apparently not acceptable for the gander.

EWS deserves a kick in the balls.

See, Ebony... let's say you eventually turned Extinctioners into an animated series on FOX. I drew the spoogiest pic possible of Fenix (I think that's how you spell your character's name)... bad enough to make Mark Parsons, Doug Winger, and Mamabliss collectively vomit. Let's say you were rather pissed that I did such a picture, but I say "tough cookies." Even though it's obviously my style, I insist I didn't draw it... some fellow named ZhuZen did. Then, I draw my own character, and go after anyone that dares draw that character in adult scenes with a vengeance. Don't you think I'd deserve a kick in the balls for that?

As others have said, Schwartz didn't really damn himself simply by drawing porn. By drawing Minerva and Fifi porn, he's shown himself to have no respect for the intellectual properties of companies that may have hired him. I can only assume the folks that had hired him for Earth Force didn't figure he would be drawing their characters being tentacle raped and uploading them to the Web. If they had, it may have been a different story.

And, really, animators drawing raunchy pictures of the characters from the shows they work on is nothing new. I knew a girl that used to work on The Simpsons who showed me some of the stuff they drew during late-night, caffine-fueled brainstorming sessions. They had this little running story where Marge got fed up with Homer choking Bart (one of their inside digs was to speculate that Homer was an abusive husband, too), and wound up tying him to the dinner table and introducing him to one of the business ends of a double-ended dildo.

But, aside from the peeks I got, what happened in that room stayed in that room. It's not like they posted them to the Web. It's not like they had a reputation for Simpsons slash. Really, animators can be a pretty bawdy lot. I'm sure there's quite a few Tiny Toons pics done by the animators themselves. But....... you don't see them flying around the Web, or the animators gaining a following for them, do you?

Schwartz has damaged his reputation enough, however, that.. while animators may be bawdy.. it's not necessarily those folks that you'll be meeting to try and get in the front door. In the case of Harlan Ellison's episode..... no matter how well-liked you may be among your co-workers, if image-conscious execs catch wind of your bawdy hijinks, you can kiss your job.. or job prospects... goodbye. In the eyes of an executive or even a HR manager... hiring Schwartz for a serious animation job with furry characters would be like hiring a cleptomaniac as a night watchman at a jewelry store.

In some ways, I don't think the porn site is the final nail in his coffin. It's just him admitting his coffin has been nailed shut.

As for putting his talents to work.... why doesn't he try for a job like his iconographic fucktoy Sabrina has? He could very well have a future in designing the covers of porn videos and even doing some of those "twisted toon" animated porn videos.

Ebony is (I think) referring to the fact that some spoogemongers have produced XXX pix featuring Sabrina's little sister. Whether to deliberately annoy EWS or (God forbid) to serve as actual jerk fodder - who can say? The point I think being that Eric forbade this in his "Guidelines" which IIRC he composed after a certain pic materialized wayyy back in the day featuring Sabrina and her sister. Now in that pic it looked as though the kid sister had innocently wandered in on "the action" and was about to yell out "WHATCHOO DOIN??" but nevertheless it offended a lot of folk.

I think I vaguely remember that pic.. and, if I remember correctly, it did just look like she was at the moment of, "What the hell is going on here??" I suppose, then, I should just credit the obscurity of Ebony's question to the fact that his Internet forum skills are still about that of an epileptic monkey operating a backhoe.

Let's get him up to speed, class. Remember, "no child left behind."

I can't say whether or not the guy is a dick, cuz I don't know him, but anyone that draws Minerva Mink and Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pics then tries to feign innocence and insist their own characters are untouchable by spooge hounds deserves a good kick in the nuts.

Well, would you want to see porn of a character that's supposed to be a child? :?:

Well, if I am properly deciphering your message through the static of inanity that seems to be obscuring its relevance, then I am assuming you are asking if I would rather see a child character as opposed to Minerva Mink or Fifi la Fume. Mind you, as Donnie pointed out, Fifi is a child. She may not be Baby Looney Tunes pedobait, but the character is definitely intended to be a minor.

Your question has about as much relevance to my point as bringing up how mandarin oranges have no relation to mandarin collars during a discussion on airplane mechanics. But, to answer it, I would certainly say no.

Besides, are you suggesting that if Eric didn't do Minerva Mink or Fifi le Fume tentacle rape pictures OR, conversely, allowed Sabrina porn, that the ONLY alternative would be for him to do porn of kiddie characters? If you weren't relatively inept at this whole message board gig, I'd assume that question was a diversionary tactic.. but, while I respect your thoughts and presence here, I just don't think you're savvy enough at this game for that. So I can only assume the question comes from left field.

Let me see if I can clarify the intent of my post.

EWS/TDK does pictures of Minerva Mink, Babs Bunny, Fifi la Fume, other studios' properties et. al. being tentacle raped or whatever... figures no harm, no foul.

EWS insists he is not TDK and is as pure as the new-fallen snow.

EWS rabidly insists Sabrina is beyond the grasp of the spooge hounds, and comes after anyone that dares touch his characters in an adult sense with a hot fire-poker. What's good for the goose is apparently not acceptable for the gander.

EWS deserves a kick in the balls.

See, Ebony... let's say you eventually turned Extinctioners into an animated series on FOX. I drew the spoogiest pic possible of Fenix (I think that's how you spell your character's name)... bad enough to make Mark Parsons, Doug Winger, and Mamabliss collectively vomit. Let's say you were rather pissed that I did such a picture, but I say "tough cookies." Even though it's obviously my style, I insist I didn't draw it... some fellow named ZhuZen did. Then, I draw my own character, and go after anyone that dares draw that character in adult scenes with a vengeance. Don't you think I'd deserve a kick in the balls for that?

As others have said, Schwartz didn't really damn himself simply by drawing porn. By drawing Minerva and Fifi porn, he's shown himself to have no respect for the intellectual properties of companies that may have hired him. I can only assume the folks that had hired him for Earth Force didn't figure he would be drawing their characters being tentacle raped and uploading them to the Web. If they had, it may have been a different story.

And, really, animators drawing raunchy pictures of the characters from the shows they work on is nothing new. I knew a girl that used to work on The Simpsons who showed me some of the stuff they drew during late-night, caffine-fueled brainstorming sessions. They had this little running story where Marge got fed up with Homer choking Bart (one of their inside digs was to speculate that Homer was an abusive husband, too), and wound up tying him to the dinner table and introducing him to one of the business ends of a double-ended dildo.

But, aside from the peeks I got, what happened in that room stayed in that room. It's not like they posted them to the Web. It's not like they had a reputation for Simpsons slash. Really, animators can be a pretty bawdy lot. I'm sure there's quite a few Tiny Toons pics done by the animators themselves. But....... you don't see them flying around the Web, or the animators gaining a following for them, do you?

Schwartz has damaged his reputation enough, however, that.. while animators may be bawdy.. it's not necessarily those folks that you'll be meeting to try and get in the front door. In the case of Harlan Ellison's episode..... no matter how well-liked you may be among your co-workers, if image-conscious execs catch wind of your bawdy hijinks, you can kiss your job.. or job prospects... goodbye. In the eyes of an executive or even a HR manager... hiring Schwartz for a serious animation job with furry characters would be like hiring a cleptomaniac as a night watchman at a jewelry store.

In some ways, I don't think the porn site is the final nail in his coffin. It's just him admitting his coffin has been nailed shut.

As for putting his talents to work.... why doesn't he try for a job like his iconographic fucktoy Sabrina has? He could very well have a future in designing the covers of porn videos and even doing some of those "twisted toon" animated porn videos.

But how do you know his reputation is damaged in any way that prevents him from getting a job he would actively want to seek out. There's no proof or evidence that woud support such speculation for or against really. It's just a common assumption that it might.

Abviously Amiga and the game company he did test work and design work for didn't agree.

Nobody really knows if he has truly actively tried to get into the animation field. Frankly, I doubt that he has, since his location of living isn't exactly a great hub for animation careers, but then he's in the location he's at to help out his family too so. Shrug. If he went to an area of the country where big attention getting animation jobs can be found, who's to really say if he'd be hired or not, save for what we all THINK might happen. You really never know why businesses do or don't hire people,nothings ever as black and white as we sometimes try to make them appear to be.

Would you want to hire a person who draws a huge amount of drawings of anthropomorphic animals getting it on? Highly spoogey ones at that?

If the person can draw their asses off and get the product I want done completed quickly and professionally looking, I personally, could care less what they do with their skills off the clock.


A lot of you guys in my opinion have some pretty weird 'hobbies' in my opinion, but if it didn't affect what you were being hired to do, then I can care less if you want to wear women's clothing when you go home or draw porn of Poppa Smurf.

Of course, my opinion is biased because, well, I like anthromorphic artwork and characters and if I can hire somebody that can draw them well, well, if they're drawing high quality spooge, that means they can also draw high quality clean art. I'm paying for them to do the clean.

Would you want to hire a person who draws a huge amount of drawings of anthropomorphic animals getting it on? Highly spoogey ones at that?

If the person can draw their asses off and get the product I want done completed quickly and professionally looking, I personally, could care less what they do with their skills off the clock.


A lot of you guys in my opinion have some pretty weird 'hobbies' in my opinion, but if it didn't affect what you were being hired to do, then I can care less if you want to wear women's clothing when you go home or draw porn of Poppa Smurf.

Of course, my opinion is biased because, well, I like anthromorphic artwork and characters and if I can hire somebody that can draw them well, well, if they're drawing high quality spooge, that means they can also draw high quality clean art. I'm paying for them to do the clean.

I really don't care what they do off the clock either, but think of public opinion. If the person you hired is well-known for drawing spooge, people will think you knew that as well and hired them anyway. The public might not want to do business with you, not to mention any partners you might have may do the same thing. I'm not saying this is likely but it could happen.

...the king of the Dodos...

Let's ask the "What if"- Machine if eric has a third secret identity no one but no one knows about...
A successfull secret persona he calls.. Jerry Bruckheimer! =)

Im not in the field or anythign, so maybe Im totally wrong.. but I really fail to see how drawing porn of any kind is the end of any career.

Ive pointed out before. People who really know how to talk to people can get what they want (a job, friends, girls, whatever, anything.)


Yeah, theres going to be discretion involved on the part of an employer. Like if your REALLY well-known for really fucked up art they might not want your name on the top of a production, but its not like they couldnt use a pseudonym for you if it that was that bad (and the key being they wanted to hire you). Reed Waller ran into some stuff cuz he was known for doing Omaha and far as I heard thats basically what they did.

If Eric wanted to work in animation Im sure he could. I think the reason that he isn't is that the jobs just arn't there in quantity coupled with the fact he cannot provide what an employer wants (thats my guess).

Your right, take the Sabrina strip, take away the artwork and just look at the story and you can see EWS is totaly under developed in story telling as many furry artist seem to be.

No need to be insulting when none have been thrown your way.